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The [[Asteroid impact prediction]] article has just moved from Draft to the main article space. Reviewers suggested that I should add some of the text from the Asteroid impact prediction article to this one (I have linked the Asteroid impact prediction article to this one already). Looking at the avoidance article it seems that it already contains some text on impact prediction, but is not currently identified as such. I.e. the avoidance article does not currently differentiate between the two separate stages of 1. predicting an impact, followed by 2. taking action to prevent the impact from happening. |
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I can see from comments in the avoidance article that there are some issues with the existing prediction text in that it is now quite out of date. Conveniently the new prediction article is lacking information on the history of impact prediction and could do with some of the text currently in the avoidance article. Can I suggest that we separate out the prediction text in the avoidance article to make it clear it is about prediction (adding a main article link), and then the bulk of the avoidance article can focus on the actual avoidance, which is a separate topic? Correspondingly an "Aftermath" section can be added to the prediction article detailing the options in the event of a predicted impact, which depending on the severity will include avoidance. [[User:Rafflesgluft|Rafflesgluft]] ([[User talk:Rafflesgluft|talk]]) 14:51, 25 August 2018 (UTC) |
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:It's been a couple of months, and no objections or comments during that time, so I soon plan to start 1. copying the asteroid impact prediction text into the [[Asteroid impact prediction]] article, and then 2. removing it from this article, with an ultimate aim to leave this article focused on impact avoidance and the prediction article on prediction. Any last minute comments or objections, please shout up, otherwise I will go ahead under the assumption any interested parties are in agreement. Thanks [[User:Rafflesgluft|Rafflesgluft]] ([[User talk:Rafflesgluft|talk]]) 11:51, 29 October 2018 (UTC) |
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* copied Impact probability calculation pattern [[User:Rafflesgluft|Rafflesgluft]] ([[User talk:Rafflesgluft|talk]]) 17:28, 24 November 2018 (UTC) |
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* copied (and edited) history and deep impact [[User:Rafflesgluft|Rafflesgluft]] ([[User talk:Rafflesgluft|talk]]) 19:00, 24 November 2018 (UTC) |
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Anything about 2019 PDC, which was part of a NASA simulation? --[[Special:Contributions/136.8.33.70|136.8.33.70]] ([[User talk:136.8.33.70|talk]]) 10:25, 6 May 2019 (UTC) |
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== Separate out detection efforts == |
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:I think it's just the latest of a biennial tabletop simulation series by IAA with minor NASA support, of which [[Talk:2013 PDC-E]] seems to be the first. So, one article for the whole series ought to be enough. [[User:Jim.henderson|Jim.henderson]] ([[User talk:Jim.henderson|talk]]) 22:23, 9 May 2019 (UTC) |
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==Asteroid impact avoidance in solar system== |
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Most of the ''Deflection efforts'' seems to be about Detection efforts. Propose we separate out threat detection and impact prediction from deflection efforts (to avoid duplication with other articles). - [[User:Rod57|Rod57]] ([[User talk:Rod57|talk]]) 14:43, 21 January 2017 (UTC) |
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This article currently focuses a lot on avoiding asteroid impact on earth. However, avoiding asteroid impact on other planets in the solar system seems just as important. The idea is that if another planet is hit by a large enough asteroid to pull it out of orbit, those altered pull/repel forces of those planets may also alter the orbit of the earth, as it is kept in balance by their pull/repel forces. Chance of that happening seems way higher then just the chance of the earth itself being hit by a (large) asteroid. |
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Can the article mention this ? |
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Also, are there any plans on setting up "asteroid detection stations" at the moon or other planets to increase time between warning and actual impact (assuming such an event would actually happen within the next few hundred years or so). |
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One of the bullet points in the Planetary Defense Timeline section claims that (as of 2007) ALL objects of concern (> 140 m) will be identified and monitored (whatever that means) by 2020 C.E. This claim is blatant nonsense; we can not identify "all" of them because the number of them is constantly increasing ( or 'constantly changing' if you remove objects which are no longer part of that category). I see this article has "benefited" from a flame war, so I'll leave my other comments aside - other than to remark that a lot of it is quite opinionated and appears to rely not only on the editors' opinions, but puts forward statements in editorial and opinion and advocacy writings as if they are established fact. We have a better method of determining what is fact and what is opinion (and what is false): its' called peer review.[[Special:Contributions/67.140.179.46|67.140.179.46]] ([[User talk:67.140.179.46|talk]]) 16:03, 26 June 2017 (UTC) |
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Another thing I'm thinking of is that the creation of a lunar base could (in the future) also help in improving the capability of deflecting asteroids which could potentially impact earth or other nearby planets in the solar system, as the launch of missiles or crafts that can alter the asteroid trajectory will be easier (and they may get much more kinetic energy, due to absence air resistance at launch). |
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--[[User:Genetics4good|Genetics4good]] ([[User talk:Genetics4good|talk]]) 17:00, 4 June 2021 (UTC) |
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:Any asteroid large enough to notably change a planet's orbit would already be discovered. Asteroid impacts on other planets are basically academic and not a concern so NASA does not really have a public list. There is almost a zero chance of Earth being hit by any asteroid larger than 1 km in the next 100 years. Setting up a satellite closer to the Sun would help detect asteroid's interior to Earth's orbit such as the [[Atira asteroid]]s. -- [[User:Kheider|Kheider]] ([[User talk:Kheider|talk]]) 23:57, 4 June 2021 (UTC) |
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:: a 1-km asteroid is huge, so that's not saying very much. A 500-m asteroid hit would be catastrophic. Certainly, the idea of another planet being hit by an asteroid big enough to perturb it sufficiently to affect the earth's orbit is pretty absurd. There are far more important things for Genetics4good to worry about. |
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== potentially relevant new paper == |
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<nowiki>https://www.nature.com/articles/s41567-024-02633-7</nowiki> [Simulation of asteroid deflection with a megajoule-class X-ray pulse] [[User:Nagging Prawn|Nagging Prawn]] ([[User talk:Nagging Prawn|talk]]) 07:29, 25 September 2024 (UTC) |
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Asteroid impact prediction
[edit]The Asteroid impact prediction article has just moved from Draft to the main article space. Reviewers suggested that I should add some of the text from the Asteroid impact prediction article to this one (I have linked the Asteroid impact prediction article to this one already). Looking at the avoidance article it seems that it already contains some text on impact prediction, but is not currently identified as such. I.e. the avoidance article does not currently differentiate between the two separate stages of 1. predicting an impact, followed by 2. taking action to prevent the impact from happening.
I can see from comments in the avoidance article that there are some issues with the existing prediction text in that it is now quite out of date. Conveniently the new prediction article is lacking information on the history of impact prediction and could do with some of the text currently in the avoidance article. Can I suggest that we separate out the prediction text in the avoidance article to make it clear it is about prediction (adding a main article link), and then the bulk of the avoidance article can focus on the actual avoidance, which is a separate topic? Correspondingly an "Aftermath" section can be added to the prediction article detailing the options in the event of a predicted impact, which depending on the severity will include avoidance. Rafflesgluft (talk) 14:51, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- It's been a couple of months, and no objections or comments during that time, so I soon plan to start 1. copying the asteroid impact prediction text into the Asteroid impact prediction article, and then 2. removing it from this article, with an ultimate aim to leave this article focused on impact avoidance and the prediction article on prediction. Any last minute comments or objections, please shout up, otherwise I will go ahead under the assumption any interested parties are in agreement. Thanks Rafflesgluft (talk) 11:51, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
It's now three months so I have begun work:
- copied Impact probability calculation pattern Rafflesgluft (talk) 17:28, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- copied (and edited) history and deep impact Rafflesgluft (talk) 19:00, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
2019 PDC
[edit]Anything about 2019 PDC, which was part of a NASA simulation? --136.8.33.70 (talk) 10:25, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- I think it's just the latest of a biennial tabletop simulation series by IAA with minor NASA support, of which Talk:2013 PDC-E seems to be the first. So, one article for the whole series ought to be enough. Jim.henderson (talk) 22:23, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
Asteroid impact avoidance in solar system
[edit]This article currently focuses a lot on avoiding asteroid impact on earth. However, avoiding asteroid impact on other planets in the solar system seems just as important. The idea is that if another planet is hit by a large enough asteroid to pull it out of orbit, those altered pull/repel forces of those planets may also alter the orbit of the earth, as it is kept in balance by their pull/repel forces. Chance of that happening seems way higher then just the chance of the earth itself being hit by a (large) asteroid.
Can the article mention this ?
Also, are there any plans on setting up "asteroid detection stations" at the moon or other planets to increase time between warning and actual impact (assuming such an event would actually happen within the next few hundred years or so).
Another thing I'm thinking of is that the creation of a lunar base could (in the future) also help in improving the capability of deflecting asteroids which could potentially impact earth or other nearby planets in the solar system, as the launch of missiles or crafts that can alter the asteroid trajectory will be easier (and they may get much more kinetic energy, due to absence air resistance at launch). --Genetics4good (talk) 17:00, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
- Any asteroid large enough to notably change a planet's orbit would already be discovered. Asteroid impacts on other planets are basically academic and not a concern so NASA does not really have a public list. There is almost a zero chance of Earth being hit by any asteroid larger than 1 km in the next 100 years. Setting up a satellite closer to the Sun would help detect asteroid's interior to Earth's orbit such as the Atira asteroids. -- Kheider (talk) 23:57, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
- a 1-km asteroid is huge, so that's not saying very much. A 500-m asteroid hit would be catastrophic. Certainly, the idea of another planet being hit by an asteroid big enough to perturb it sufficiently to affect the earth's orbit is pretty absurd. There are far more important things for Genetics4good to worry about.
Wiki Education assignment: Cold War Science
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— Assignment last updated by Landon 7 (talk) 20:34, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
potentially relevant new paper
[edit]https://www.nature.com/articles/s41567-024-02633-7 [Simulation of asteroid deflection with a megajoule-class X-ray pulse] Nagging Prawn (talk) 07:29, 25 September 2024 (UTC)