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== I want to read... == |
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...more about the "extensive network of underground canals and waterways found dating from the same period." That's a nice little bomb to drop at the very end with no more info. Sounds about more interesting than the Nazca lines, doesn't it? Can someone add more info, or a link, or better still another article? [[User:Amity150|Amity150]] 04:16, 29 July 2006 (UTC) |
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: While these are interesting as an early example of fully covered irrigation canals in the Americas, there are older irrigation canals at [Cumbe Mayo] which show a much earlier example of a massive engineering project in the Americas. I'll see if I can't dig up some pictures of the Nasca irrigation system though. I personally don't view the Nasca lines as something significant on an engineering level, these would have been constructed using simple maths known in ancient America for millenia for building irrigation canals, but as art pieces they are impressive. [[User:Zenyu|Zenyu]] 22:11, 6 August 2007 (UTC) |
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== Any satellite images? == |
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== Names for individual geoglyphs == |
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How comes that none of these images of birds and monkeys etc. can be seen on Google Earth? Are they too small or is the contrast too bad? If somebody has found them, a link here would be great! --[[User:TDLacoste|'''''T'''d'''L''''']] 12:47, 19 September 2006 (UTC) |
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The "Images" section presents images of a subset of the Nazca Lines — it's unclear why this subset is chosen, but I presume it's just all of the lines that have high-quality freely licenced images on the Commons. |
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Yes, I tried to find hte figures on Google Maps myself, but no succes. There are some lines and rectangles, but no animals to see. Can ano clear this up ? Is there an "oriantation" map of the area, so I could see where to look for each figure ? |
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--[[User:90.157.176.111|90.157.176.111]] 12:36, 5 August 2007 (UTC) |
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Each of these images has a caption that appears to be the name of the depicted Nazca Line, but does not currently cite any sources for these names. Most of them use the definite article to indicate they are the ''only'' such Nazca Line representing that particular subject, and they are capitalized as proper nouns, not merely descriptions. (Elsewhere in the article, such as the "Rediscovery" section, they are referred to in sentence case, but still with the definite article.) These captions leave the impression on the reader that they are in fact the official names of the geoglyphs, or at the very least their common names. It's quite possible that individual Nazca Lines don't really have names at all, in which case the image captions should be adjusted to reflect that. |
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== Shamanic Flight == |
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The [[Commons:Category:Nazca lines|Commons categories]] use Spanish names, which seem more likely to be official names for them given they are located in Spanish-speaking countries. Although the Commons categories don't cite any sources for these names either (not that you would expect them to). |
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There is no mention of the possibility of the use of shamanic flight in the creation of the lines; whether it be in the design process, or as part of the motivation to create the lines. |
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In particular, [[:File:Líneas de Nazca, Nazca, Perú, 2015-07-29, DD 46.JPG|this image]] is captioned "The Giant", but the file description page indicates it is called "Owlman" and "Astronaut". Without a reliable source to establish one of these three names, I'm not sure which this article should use. [[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 11:38, 19 September 2022 (UTC) |
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== Map image == |
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== Scales needed for "Images" section == |
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Can you tell me something about the new map I added. thanks --– <font style="border: solid 1.5px #63B8FF; background-color: #D0E7FF">[[User:Walter_Humala| Emperor Walt</font>]][[User:Walter_Humala/Esperanza|<font color="green">'''''e''''']][[User:Walter_Humala|r Humala ]]</font> · <sup><small>[[User_talk:Walter_Humala|<font color="#00AA88" style="text-decoration:blink">( shout!</font>]] · [[User:Walter_Humala/Signatures|<font color="#00AA88">sign? )</font>]]</small></sup> 16:50, 8 March 2007 (UTC) |
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For a common reader, it would be helpful if there were a short scale (e.g. metres/feet) drawn near corner of each image. Of course, the text gives a general idea of their magnitude but they vary. Wherever the pictures are taken, someone with knowledge of individual figures might have a scale added. [[Special:Contributions/217.140.200.221|217.140.200.221]] ([[User talk:217.140.200.221|talk]]) 21:02, 20 October 2022 (UTC) |
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Having a map is no doubt very helpful; I can't comment on accuracy because I don't know where any of the things are. However, I'm guessing that the item labeled 'tiger' is mislabeled; more likely a jaguar? [[user:66.194.72.10]] |
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== How were the lines made so straight? == |
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* No, it's a dog. In fact, there's a picture of it labelled as such, further on in the article. Similarly, the image marked 'kiwi' on the map is, of course, no such thing. The image marked 'algae' is called 'tree' on other maps I've seen, although at least one could argue that its seaweed-like. I'm going to remove the link to the map, for the time being. [[User:Anaxial|Anaxial]] 19:51, 17 July 2007 (UTC) |
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It it possible that long stretched ropes were used in order to help ensure that the lines were drawn perfectly straight? [[Special:Contributions/173.88.246.138|173.88.246.138]] ([[User talk:173.88.246.138|talk]]) 03:14, 21 November 2022 (UTC) |
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== In response to those who believe it wasnt done by extraterrestrial beings == |
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== Does the alien nonsense warrant an entire section? == |
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although there are some that doubt that man is incapable of doing things that are deemed as "impossible" one should consider some facts |
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--- how is it that such a primitive tribe was able to construct such very large and quite proportionate pictures without seeing as a whole what they created being that the figures are only visible from a certain distance in the sky? |
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---how is it possible that the iron material used to construct the figures was 100% iron considering that 100% iron material is impossible to obtain? [[user:76.173.162.154]] |
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There is already a section in the article denoted for speculations regarding its purpose, not that any of the unabashedly racist works of von Däniken should be anywhere near the actual informed speculations of archaeologists anyways. He should be a footnote of that section. |
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Though this is a silly place to discuss this, I can't resist. First of all, the article states that iron oxide, a far cry from pure iron, was used. Secondly, I'm no Nazca Indian, but I think even I could figure out how to make the approximate shape I wanted on a huge scale without seeing it. All it takes is a coordinate system-any spot that needed to be white, and the lines connecting them, can be drawn out in miniature and the distances beween two lines calculated. Then, all it takes is some very long ropes or accurate pacing to determines which spots need to be dug. I don't know if that's actually how the Nazca did it, but it is certainly one possibility. [[user:66.194.72.10]] |
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Other pages that cover sites or artifacts with fringe extraterrestrial theories surrounding them do not typically have sections devoted to von Däniken, and giving him an entire section of a Wikipedia article would look unfortunately legitimizing to an otherwise uninformed browser. [[User:CarpinchoCamayuc|CarpinchoCamayuc]] ([[User talk:CarpinchoCamayuc|talk]]) 07:37, 27 February 2023 (UTC) |
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First of... Think about it.... You said all they need is rope.. But you're not thinking how long of rope you would need.... We're talking miles and miles... Who could or would construct rope that long? Then you said pacing.... Again... Miles and Miles... Years and years.... Not possible... Try again.. |
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:No, and seeing no one objected, I will likely remove the section in a day or so unless someone objects. [[User:LegalSmeagolian|LegalSmeagolian]] ([[User talk:LegalSmeagolian|talk]]) 01:19, 4 May 2024 (UTC) |
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Even if making a rope that long were as hard as you claim, you could use a smaller piece of rope as a unit of measurement and use it several times to cover a long distance, making a marking in the sand every time you use one length of rope, I'm sure the Nazca could've figured that out. [[User:69.251.246.75|69.251.246.75]] 14:25, 19 July 2007 (UTC) |
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== Nazca Lines pictures == |
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I think there should be more pictures of Nazca Lines. |
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== AI helps uncover hundreds of unknown ancient symbols hidden in Peru’s Nazca Desert == |
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== Need Help Made Major Discovery == |
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[https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/27/science/ai-nazca-geoglyphs-peru/index.html] [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 11:20, 29 September 2024 (UTC) |
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I think I discovered the meaning of the needle and loom glyph... I need to know who to talk to, this is pretty big. No one has published anything about it, and it's very important. [[User:Nousoul|Nousoul]] 08:05, 5 September 2007 (UTC) |
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Names for individual geoglyphs
[edit]The "Images" section presents images of a subset of the Nazca Lines — it's unclear why this subset is chosen, but I presume it's just all of the lines that have high-quality freely licenced images on the Commons.
Each of these images has a caption that appears to be the name of the depicted Nazca Line, but does not currently cite any sources for these names. Most of them use the definite article to indicate they are the only such Nazca Line representing that particular subject, and they are capitalized as proper nouns, not merely descriptions. (Elsewhere in the article, such as the "Rediscovery" section, they are referred to in sentence case, but still with the definite article.) These captions leave the impression on the reader that they are in fact the official names of the geoglyphs, or at the very least their common names. It's quite possible that individual Nazca Lines don't really have names at all, in which case the image captions should be adjusted to reflect that.
The Commons categories use Spanish names, which seem more likely to be official names for them given they are located in Spanish-speaking countries. Although the Commons categories don't cite any sources for these names either (not that you would expect them to).
In particular, this image is captioned "The Giant", but the file description page indicates it is called "Owlman" and "Astronaut". Without a reliable source to establish one of these three names, I'm not sure which this article should use. SnorlaxMonster 11:38, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
Scales needed for "Images" section
[edit]For a common reader, it would be helpful if there were a short scale (e.g. metres/feet) drawn near corner of each image. Of course, the text gives a general idea of their magnitude but they vary. Wherever the pictures are taken, someone with knowledge of individual figures might have a scale added. 217.140.200.221 (talk) 21:02, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
How were the lines made so straight?
[edit]It it possible that long stretched ropes were used in order to help ensure that the lines were drawn perfectly straight? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 03:14, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
Does the alien nonsense warrant an entire section?
[edit]There is already a section in the article denoted for speculations regarding its purpose, not that any of the unabashedly racist works of von Däniken should be anywhere near the actual informed speculations of archaeologists anyways. He should be a footnote of that section.
Other pages that cover sites or artifacts with fringe extraterrestrial theories surrounding them do not typically have sections devoted to von Däniken, and giving him an entire section of a Wikipedia article would look unfortunately legitimizing to an otherwise uninformed browser. CarpinchoCamayuc (talk) 07:37, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
- No, and seeing no one objected, I will likely remove the section in a day or so unless someone objects. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 01:19, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
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The Nazca lines are a group of geoglyphs made in the soil of the Nazca Desert in southern Peru. They were created in two major phases – the Paracas phase (from 400 to 200 BC) and the Nazca phase (from 200 BC to 500 AD). The combined length of all the lines is more than 1,300 km (800 mi), and the group covers an area of about 50 km2 (19 sq mi). Most lines run straight across the landscape, but there are also figurative designs of animals and plants. Scholars differ in interpreting the purpose of the designs, but in general, they ascribe religious significance to them. The lines were designated as a UNESCO World Heritage Site in 1994. This is an aerial view of the geoglyph known as the "monkey", one of the most well-known of the Nazca lines. Photograph credit: Diego Delso
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