Talk:Glossary of BDSM

This page has been transwikied to wiktionary:Transwiki:List of BDSM terms. Kappa 23:10, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

There needs to be photos of SUBMISSIVE MEN on this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jislaaik Rockadopolis (talk • contribs) 15:25, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Can someone motion for this article to be deleted?

My confusion started when I tried to use Template:Transwiki like Wikibooks:Template:Transwiki, to mark the article for transwiki. Since the template read as if I had already transwikied the page, I transwikied the page to Wiktionary and left Template:Transwiki on this Wikipedia article. With my template gone, I do not know what my next step would be.

Can someone motion for this article to be deleted? --Kernigh 00:29, 4 May 2006 (UTC) (Wiktionary:User:Kernigh)

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unreferenced

I've added the unreferenced template because some claimed BDSM terms link to pages that have no association with BDSM, others link to BDSM-related pages that don't use the term in question and many link to pages that are themselves unreferenced.

--User:Clive Jones 2007-05-07

Subbing and topping

Perhaps we should make clear that sub and top can also be used in verb form. (the mind reels with jokes I can make here, but I have to restrain myself) Wikidemon (talk) 18:07, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Why was Contract (BDSM) deleted?

See also: WP:Deletion by redirection

@NickPenguin: I noticed that you recently deleted the contents Contract (BDSM) and redirect that page into this glossary. Was there any previous discussion about this decision? Jarble (talk) 00:34, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

It appears that this was previously discussed here: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Contract_(BDSM) Jarble (talk) 00:35, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

If it's a problem, then please revert. I have no particular attachment to that decision. --NickPenguin_(contribs) 04:22, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

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Pictures of men?

Is there a reason there are only pictures of women in this article? Can anyone add some pictures of men? - Whisperjanes (talk) 14:38, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Exactly what I thought. I’m sure there is plenty of material to choose from as well. It seemed a little tone-deaf. Blankthropologist (talk) 16:40, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

If you have any suggestions of images to add, feel free to be bold. Browsing this area of Commons brings up an unpleasant amount of low-quality and/or pornographic images, but I was able to find some images in Commons:Category:Male submission which may be appropriate here. Leaning towards photographs which aren't explicitly nude or sexual, per WP:SURPRISE.

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Cheers, RoxySaunders (talk · contribs) 01:04, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

@RoxySaunders: Thanks for all of the well-thought-out options. My mistake on not seeing this message sooner - I've added photo #6 to the article for now, mostly because there isn't an image covering whipping in the article yet. - Whisperjanes (talk) 20:43, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

"Brat"

I'm sorry to post this under my IP address, but I don't want everybody to know about my interest in this.
At Fetlife, I repeatedly came across people describing themselves as "brats", apparently after taking an online BDSM test. What does this mean? If Fetlifers habitually use it, it's probably a common concept in BDSM, but it's absent from this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.82.228.240 (talk) 00:00, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Otázka

Dobrý večer. Moje otázka zní co znamená v oblasti BDSM název FO? A kde bych mohla nakoupit větší vyber sortimentu v tomto fascinujicim odvětví?. Děkuji mnohokrát za odpověď. 2A00:1028:8398:1D8A:55E1:8379:E8AD:7BEE (talk) 17:59, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Why are terms for punishment missing?

I came here mainly to find out Spanish words for BDSM (by comparing the English- and Spanish-language articles) but I noticed a curious thing: All terms for punishment seem to be omitted. And yet there's a picture (the first picture in the current article) of subs being spanked (and the term "spank" is excluded from this list). All such words seem to have been omitted (caning, spanking, paddling, shipping, etc.). I checked and they seem to have been missing from the original, so I guess they are literally missing because no one has added them. But I wondered why? I thought that maybe "spank" is such a common word that it doesn't need to be on this list of mostly fairly specialized words. But I think "bondage," "masochism," and "slave" are pretty common terms that are on the list. And I think there are punishment-related terms that are uncommon (in the US) like "tawse" and "murga" (or "stress position"). So, after giving it some thought, I think that it is an error to have omitted all such terms and that they should be added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.57.100.137 (talk) 23:24, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

What you are calling "punishment" is indeed here in this item:

* Impact play: Part of sensation play, dealing with impacts such as those from whips, riding crops, paddles, floggers, etc.

I do find it curious that you equate only this with "punishment" because quite a few other items in the glossary have been used for actual punishment. Helen4780 (talk) 15:05, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Safeword for all people involved, not just bottoms

The definition of safeword that is given says it's a word bottoms can use. It can, and should, be used by tops just as much. I'd like to propose an adjustment to that definition. 2003:E2:F746:1095:10C6:BF92:B147:60B3 (talk) 17:58, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Adding Domdrop to glossary

As subdrop is part of the glossary, I think domdrop should be on there too. 87.184.237.151 (talk) 18:02, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Rhaphanidosis

Does this belong here? The article on it only talks about a form of actual punishment and not a sexual use. There aren't even any references to its use as such. I can't find anything that people use this as punishment or what its effects or safety is compared to figging. Biofase ^flame| stalk  13:50, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Non-consensual non-consent?

That just sounds like straight-up rape. A Google search for the term doesn't really find anything. Not an expert, but it seems like "non-consensual non-consent" is not a thing in that community. Delete? Suomi13 (talk) 12:04, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

I knew there would be opposition to this. The fact is wikipedia doesn't make judgements. Rape has a clear definition which is different. This is about factuality and because it contains BDSM elements can be considered a BDSM subject. It's something that happens and whether it's a thing in the wider community. Biofase ^flame| stalk  13:51, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

This isn't about "wikipedia doesn't make judgements". The BDSM article says BDSM is "often erotic practices or roleplaying" and "often is said to depend on self-identification and shared experience", it also says "the idea of informed consent of both the partners is essential". Granted, none of these statements is cited and the first quotes include "often", but the definition of "Non-consensual non-consent" is also uncited and is against just about everything BDSM as a community and subculture stands for. Further, the definition given is self-contradictory, as the "option of accepting other consequences" inherently includes some kind of consent and cannot be resolved without approaching general criminal activity. I vote we strike this. HalJor (talk) 15:13, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Considered essential. That doesn't determine whether something is or not. Is whipping any less whipping because it's consensual or non-consensual? Definitions matter more than feels despite what people think and non of the arguments here are factual. If you want to remove it because it's not properly cited or not named properly, because this is a highly informal term, then fine. But then wikipedia is excluding something that is a reality nonetheless and that is based on judgement. Biofase ^flame| stalk  15:41, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

"Is whipping any less whipping because it's consensual or non-consensual?" No, but that's not what is being discussed here. Whipping as a form of BDSM (erotic pleasure) is wholly different from whipping as a form of non-consensual corporal punishment. What /is/ being discussed here is whether "Non-consensual non-consent" is a subject for this BSDM glossary, and considering that BSDM requires consent by the content-consensus in its article, I maintain it is not relevant here. If you can't provide a cited reference to warrant including it here (and most terms that don't have their own article do have citations), it's gotta go. HalJor (talk) 19:37, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

You claim 'this isn't about "wikipedia doesn't make judgements"' yet you are invoking a judgement here. Again it does not matter if consent is present or not as that is not a defining factor. I think you're misinterpreting consent being advocated as consent being a requirement of the definition. You're also applying it to a topic where the absence of full consent is part of the definition. As for referencing I just gave an example that it is a factual topic. Biofase ^flame| stalk  22:33, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Maybe I missed it, but I don't think the article about James Davis even has the phrase "non-consensual non-consent" in it.

You are right in the sense that I did kind of make a judgement in my first paragraph, but my main objection (and I think HalJor's too) is that the BDSM community (as far as I can see) just plain doesn't use the term. Suomi13 (talk) 02:04, 8 June 2023 (UTC)