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== when was konya conquered by the ottomans? ==
this artical says 1453 but acording to my hammond history atlas it has the year 1471 which one is correct? could konya really have been conquered in the same year contantinople (istanbul) was conquered?
[[Special:Contributions/76.244.150.120|76.244.150.120]] ([[User talk:76.244.150.120|talk]]) 18:35, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

==Comment==
Definitely all the history of a place must be mentioned. I am proud of the history of our towns. Like Istanbul. I am proud of its "Byzantium"nuss, its "Konstantinopolis"ness. Its Roman, Greek and Turkish cultures. The point is; the historical names must be mentioned within the context. That is; in the historical part of the text. In the examples you are giving, in the Thessaloniki example, the Turkish name Selanik is not mentioned on the first line and for the good reason. Regards. [[User:Ormands|Ormands]] 19:45, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

==The 1911 Edition of Encyclopaedia Britannica about Yuruks, Kailars and Konariotes (Koneviler)==

[http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:9gwAgSqEuPcJ:encyclopedia.jrank.org/LUP_MAL/MACEDONIA.html+Yuruks+kailar+turks&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=2 see link]

The first [[Turkish]] [[immigration]] from [[Asia Minor]] took place under the [[Byzantine]] emperors before the conquest of the country. '''The first purely Turkish town, Yenije-Vardar''', was founded on the ruins of [[Vardar]] in 1362. After the capture of [[Salonica]] (1430), a strong Turkish population was settled in the city, and similar colonies were founded in [[Monastir]], [[Ochrida]], [[Serres]], [[Drama]] and other important places. In many of these towns half or more of the population is still Turkish. A series of [[military]] colonies were subsequently established at various points of strategic importance along the [[principal]] lines of [[communication]]. '''Before 1360 large numbers of [[nomad]] [[shepherds]], or [[Yuruks]], from the district of [[Konya]], in [[Asia Minor]], had settled in the country; their descendants are still''' '''known as [[Konariotes]]'''. Further immigration from this region took place from time to time up to the middle of the [[18th century]]. After the establishment of the [[feudal]] [[system]] in '''1397 many of the [[Seljuk]] [[noble]] families came over from Asia Minor; their descendants may be recognized among the [[beys]] or [[Moslem]] [[landowners]] in southern [[Macedonia]] '''. At the beginning of the 18th century the [[Turkish population]] was very considerable, but since that time it has continuously decreased. A low birth rate, the exhaustion of the male population by [[military service]], and great mortality from [[epidemic]]s, against which [[Moslem fatalism]] takes no pre-cautions, have brought about a decline which has latterly been hastened by [[emigration]]

''The Turkish rural population is found in three principal groups:''
*the most easterly extends from the [[Mesta]] to [[Drama]], [[Pravishta]] and [[Orfano]], reaching the sea-coast on either side of [[Kavala]], which is partly [[Turkish]], partly [[Greece|Greek]].
*The second, or central group begins on the sea-coast, a little west of the mouth of the [[Strymon]], where a [[Greeks|Greek]] population intervenes, and extends to the north-west along the [[Kara-Dagh]] and [[Belasitza]] ranges in the direction of [[Strumnitza]], [[Veles]], [[Shtip]] and [[Radovisht]].
*'''The third, or southern, group is centred around '''[[Kailar]]''', an entirely Turkish town, and extends from [[Lake]] [[Ostrovo]] to [[Selfije]] ([[Servia]]). The second and third groups are mainly composed of [[Konariot]] shepherds. Besides these fairly compact settlements there are numerous isolated [[Turkish colonies]] in various parts of the country.''' The Turkish rural population is [[quiet]], [[sober]] and [[orderly]], presenting some of the best characteristics of the [[race]]. --3210 00:01, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

== More on 1911 Britannica ==

I've removed the following from the article:

<blockquote>(2) The chief town [anc. ''[[Iconium]]],'' [[altitude]] 3320 ft., situated at the S.W. edge of the vast central plain of Asia Minor, amidst luxuriant orchards famous in [[The Middle Ages|the middle ages]] for their yellow plums and apricots and watered by streams from the hills. Pop. 45,000, including 5000 Christians. There are interesting remains of Seljuk buildings, all showing strong traces of Persian influence in their decorative details. The principal ruin is that of the palace of [[Kilij Arslan II.]], which contained a famous hall. The most important mosques are the great ''Tekke,'' which contains the [[tomb]] of the poet [[Mevlana]] Jelal [[Nasr-ed-Din|ed-din]] Rumi, a mystic (sufi) poet, founder of the order of Mevlevi (whirling) dervishes, and those of his successors, the "Golden" [[mosque]] and those of [[Ala]] ed-Din and [[Sultan]] [[Selim]]. The walls, largely the work of Ala ed-Din I., are preserved in great part and notable for the number of ancient inscriptions built into them. They once had twelve gates and were 30 ells in height. The climate is good - hot in summer and cold, with [[snow]], in winter. Konia is connected by railway with [[Constantinople]] and is the starting-point of the extension towards [[Bagdad]]. After the capture of [[Nicaea]] by the Crusaders (1097), Konia became the capital of the [[Seljuk]] Sultans of [[Rum]] (see [[Seljuks]] and [[Turks]]). It was temporarily occupied by Godfrey, and again by [[Frederick I Barbarossa|Frederick Barbarossa]], but this scarcely affected its prosperity. During the reign of Ala ed-Din I. (1219-1236) the city was thronged with artists, poets, historians, jurists and dervishes, driven westwards from [[Persia]] and [[Bokhara]] by the advance of the [[Mongols]], and there was a brief period of great splendour. After the break up of the empire of [[Rum]], Konia became a secondary city of the amirate of [[Karamania]] and in part fell to ruin. In 1472 it was annexed to the Osmanli empire by Mahommed II. In 1832 it was occupied by [[Ibrahim Pasha]] who defeated and captured the Turkish general, [[Mustafa Reshid Pasha|Reshid Pasha]], not far from the walls. It had come to fill only part of its ancient [[circuit]], but of recent years it has revived considerably, and, since the railway reached it, has acquired a semi-European quarter, with a German hotel, cafes and Greek shops, &c.</blockquote>

It was from the 1911 Britannica, but seemed somewhat out-of-place. Perhaps if the text is fixed it can be merged into the history section. <tt class="plainlinks">[[User:Khoikhoi|Khoi]][[User talk:Khoikhoi|khoi]]</tt> 08:23, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

==Pictures==
Some good pictures. The relationship of Konya to some of these photos is not establshed in the article. If the site is actually '''in'''' Konya, great. If Konya is being used as a "gateway" to these other areas represented by the pictures, the photos should go with '''that''' article '''not''' Konya. For example, Meram. What is a photo of Meram doing here? Seems to me that it is a separate district and town. These are not "family photographs," we are supposed to have clean lines between articles! [[User:Student7|Student7]] 18:55, 11 November 2007 (UTC)


NOTE: Meram is just a part of Konya city. it is a suburb of Konya. Although it has a different municipiality, it is in today's metropolitan area. (yekta@asia.com) <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/212.174.57.130|212.174.57.130]] ([[User talk:212.174.57.130|talk]]) 00:44, 28 February 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Iconium ==

I propose that Iconium be moved to a disambiguation page rather than redirected here, because there is an [[Iconium, Missouri]]. [[User:StaticElectric|StaticElectric]] ([[User talk:StaticElectric|talk]]) 05:58, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

:I don't agree. The place in Missouri is named after this place. Anyone interested in MO can be redirected at the top of the page. Iconium should be redirected here automatically. I've been living in the US for a long, long time and never heard of the place in Missouri before, though doubtless, not the only one in the US. The ancient Iconium is famous. The only reason that most of these place names aren't the official names is a surge of nationalism in Turkey in the 1920s. They may see the error of their ways and reclaim this famous name. [[User:Student7|Student7]] ([[User talk:Student7|talk]]) 14:00, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

::Can you even include a disambig to a separately named page? [[User:StaticElectric|StaticElectric]] ([[User talk:StaticElectric|talk]]) 05:41, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

:::StaticElectric has a point. How do you include a disambiguation at the top of a page that doesn't even have the same name? This would be a no brainer for an article called "Iconium." BTW many ancient places in Turkey have two articles. One on the ancient, usually, Greek name, where this disambiguation could occur, and one on the modern named city. While mergers have been discussed, this hasn't happened for many articles, particularly where the exact geographic place isn't quite the same. Should this article be forked (back?) to Iconium while keeping the modern Konya? I have to admit doing it for the sole reason to disambiguate the place in Missouri doesn't seem the best idea. BTW there must be hundreds of Troys.

:::Having said that, Troy has not only a disambiguation page to Troy, but also one to Ilium. No reason that you can't put a disambiguation line for Iconium at the top of this article IMO. [[User:Student7|Student7]] ([[User talk:Student7|talk]]) 21:31, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

== New York as sister city ==

I checked the reference provided and I could not find anywhere on that site that New York would be Konya's sister city. I checked google as well - nothing. I found that Sarayevo, however is a sister city to Konya as of 2007. --[[User:Teemeah|Teemeah]] [[User talk:Teemeah|<small>Gül Bahçesi</small>]] 08:40, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

== "Indo-European Sea Peoples" ==

:What?! The Sea Peoples were a confederation of either wholly or partly non-Indo-European Mediterranean peoples. Then again, when was Wikipedia preoccupied with accuracy?
:<span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/205.68.95.65|205.68.95.65]] ([[User talk:205.68.95.65|talk]]) 14:34, 5 June 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==Most conservative city?==
The text claims that Konya is the most conservative city, religiously, in Turkey. I doubt that. Maybe the most conservative on the West coast? It needs rewording. [[User:Student7|Student7]] ([[User talk:Student7|talk]]) 14:17, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

==Too many visits by Paul?==
The text currently says that Paul definitely visited during his second journey and probably during his third. The biblical references cited do not support that claim. But my concordance, a reliable source, says "probably" visited during his second journey. Nothing about his third. I propose to change this. [[User:Student7|Student7]] ([[User talk:Student7|talk]]) 13:54, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

== Geological History ==
A colleague reminded me that there was a large late Pleistocene lake near the site of the current city called Lake Konya. Perhaps someone with more geological knowledge than I could create an appropriate section? [[User:Bwilreker|Bwilreker]] ([[User talk:Bwilreker|talk]]) 12:47, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

==Gallery==
Note that the policy on gallery use says, "However, Wikipedia is not an image repository. A gallery is not a tool to shoehorn images into an article, and a gallery consisting of an indiscriminate collection of images of the article subject should generally either be improved in accordance with the above paragraph or moved to Wikimedia Commons." [[User:Student7|Student7]] ([[User talk:Student7|talk]]) 18:54, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

This is not a picture album. Those go elsewhere. This is text that may be sometimes individually illustrated by pictures. The ones that were there kept the reader from the rest of the article for no good purpose. [[User:Student7|Student7]] ([[User talk:Student7|talk]]) 18:54, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

==Subjective analysis of climate==
Several cities have had editors subjectively evaluating their climate. This is not encyclopedic. There are no parameters here for evaluating climate. We can present temperature, humidity and precipitation. Our enlightened researchers reading this may draw their own conclusions.

I am visiting a place now where native men doff their shirts when it reaches {{convert|65|F}}. I think this is "cool."
Clearly they do not.

Our ancestors lived in Africa for millions of years. It cannot be termed hot or cold or it would not have sustained them. I think of Africa as "hot." But labeling it as such would be [[WP:POV]]. [[User:Student7|Student7]] ([[User talk:Student7|talk]]) 19:08, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
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==Demonstration by women==

Article read:

:During the [[Turkish War of Independence]], Konya became a logistical center for the Turkish Army along with other cities not occupied by the [[Allies of World War I|Allies]]. The needs of army were gathered in Konya and sent to fronts.
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:The first demonstration by women against the occupation was held in Konya.

I removed the statement about the "demonstration by women" because it has no context, no date, and no source. It was also a bit strange that the editor adding the statement included a clarification request "Greek women?" -- given that it's in the War of Independence section, I'd have thought we're talking about a demonstration ''against'' the Greek occupation of Smyrna, or maybe the Great Power occupation of most of Turkey. I have no problem with its being reinserted into the article if we can include a bit more information about [[Five Ws|who, what, when, where, and why]], and of course sources.

A little Web research finds that Konya was occupied by the British by May 1919[http://books.google.com/books?id=WKQTt_8qUQMC&pg=PA62&dq=konya+demonstration#v=onepage&q=konya%20demonstration&f=false]; and that there were demonstrations against the Greek occupation of western Anatolia around the same time.[http://books.google.com/books?id=iOoGH4GckQgC&pg=PA121&dq=konya+women+demonstration+occupation&hl=en&sa=X&ei=FOn-UZn2OY7A4APF74DoBA&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=konya%20women%20demonstration%20occupation&f=false] The demonstrations included "Halide Edip and other women" in Istanbul but I haven't found any details about Konya or about women outside Istanbul. It seems unlikely that Greek women had anything to do with this.

It would also be interesting to learn when the British arrived in Konya, and when they left, if Konya was "not occupied by the Allies" during the War of Independence. --[[User:Macrakis|Macrakis]] ([[User talk:Macrakis|talk]]) 23:46, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

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