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== gopher protocol ==
== LOL ==


<pre>
Would it be possible to add in the browsers support section that Konqueror ( http://www.konqueror.org ) supports gopher:// if kio_gopher ( http://kgopher.berlios.de/ ) is installed and that it shows the textual information mozilla does not?
Jun 05 23:15:11 <dsf777b> https://gitlab.com/SSS8555/acid - gopher client with page caching
Jun 05 23:15:50 <dsf777b> https://gitlab.com/SSS8555/save_gopher_server Safe, secure and standalone portable gopher server with G6 extention
Jun 05 23:34:04 <zcrayfish> What does the G6 do that gopher+ didn't do?
Jun 05 23:34:39 <zcrayfish> Also are you a fan of THX1138? :)
Jun 05 23:37:32 <dsf777b> 1. requests for line ranges
Jun 05 23:37:32 <dsf777b> 2. CRC32 in requests to prevent sending files in cache
Jun 05 23:37:32 <dsf777b> 3. transfer size and error codes
Jun 05 23:37:32 <dsf777b> 5. user filling forms
Jun 05 23:37:32 <dsf777b> 6. realtime data streaming
Jun 05 23:37:32 <dsf777b> 7. TFTP support
Jun 05 23:38:27 <nm0i> Looks like features. Features are bad.
Jun 05 23:39:13 <zcrayfish> 5 is a gopher+ feature.... 7 is for uploads?
Jun 05 23:39:20 <dsf777b> everething optional and backward compatable
Jun 05 23:41:04 <dsf777b> upload files not yet supported
Jun 05 23:41:30 <zcrayfish> I don't understand the purpose of TFTP support in that case.
Jun 05 23:41:43 <dsf777b> also gopher+ dont have any user filling forms
Jun 05 23:42:15 <dsf777b> TFTP for low end clients and high load servers
Jun 05 23:47:52 <dsf777b> https://gitlab.com/SSS8555
Jun 05 23:52:52 <zcrayfish> no cgi support.... but forms support?
Jun 05 23:53:46 <dsf777b> it save all posts in configureted directory, a script can check the dir and perform some actions
Jun 05 23:55:09 <dsf777b> have script to compile site for TFTP server
Jun 05 23:55:41 <dsf777b> HTML to Gopher converter with links


: Just write something along the lines of "Konqueror has full Gopher support with the kio_gopher plugin installed" (if it is a plugin) and add it. And create an account so you can take credit! [[User:magetoo|magetoo]] 02:54, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== This may be stolen from another site, or that site may have stolen this. ==

http://encyclopedia.worldvillage.com/s/b/Gopher_protocol

Worldvillage encyclopedia has the same Gopher article word for word, including the suggested addition.

:That site has copied this one - it says "from wikipedia" :) --[[User:Catscratch|CatS]] 15:33, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

::And they're completely within their rights to do so - see [[Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks]] and [[Wikipedia:Copyrights]]. - [[User:IMSoP|IMSoP]] 18:04, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

== Origins ==

Gopher "was released in 1991", but "when the World Wide Web was first introduced in 1991, Gopher was well-established and quite popular". Maybe someone who was there could add a bit more details here; did Gopher usage just explode during the first few months of 1991, or what happened? [[User:62.95.88.4|62.95.88.4]] 14:04, 22 September 2005 (UTC)



I added some more detail to the that should help explain a bit about why gopher became popular quickly. In a nutshell, CIOs at universities all decided they needed to have some sort of campus wide information system. Gopher was a quick easy way to do something, and had the added benefit that you leveraged the work at all the other universities. If one university put up a searchable collection of recipes (which the University of Minensota did), every other site could link to it an magically have recipes as part of their CWIS. Add that to a way of organizing online phonebooks (CSO nameservers were the weapon of choice for this in the early 1990s) and there wasa recipe for very rapid growth. [[User:Another Cat|Another Cat]] 21:51, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

:Same question here. --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 00:25, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

::The Web was first [http://groups.google.com/group/comp.archives/tree/browse_frm/thread/9fb079523583d42/37bb6783d03a3b0d?rnum=1&hl=en&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fcomp.archives%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2F9fb079523583d42%2F37bb6783d03a3b0d%3Flnk%3Dst%26q%3D%26rnum%3D3%26hl%3Den%26#doc_37bb6783d03a3b0d announced] in 1991 by Tim Berners-Lee but it wasn't truly introduced until 1993, with the unveiling of Mosaic. Gopher was first announced in 1991 too, probably a little earlier than the web was, and free Gopher server and client software was released by the UMN shortly after. Gopher was usable technology years before the Web was, even though the two were both announced the same year.

== What is it? ==

This article completely fails to ''explain'' what Gopher ''is''... It breifly glosses over the definition and then talks about its history. I want to know how it works, what exactly it ''does'' etc... Maybe a bit more on this?
A Gopher consists of a series of hierarchical menus. A University's Gopher site, for instance, might have a main menu with 5 to 15 or so subdivisions, looking like this:

<pre>ISU-- the Imaginary State University

1. Academic Departments
2. Athletics
3. History of the Institution
4. Libraries
5. Student Life
6. Visiting Campus
</pre>
</pre>
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== External links modified ==


Hello fellow Wikipedians,
When you select (say) 2. Athletics you bring up another menu which might read as follows:

<pre>Athletics

1. Baseball
2. Basketball-Mens
3. Basketball-Women's
4. Football
5. Lacrosse
</pre>

And then there might be further links down to specific aspects of the lacrosse team.

Note that the choice of menu items and titles is arbitrary. There could just as easily have been four items on that menu, with men's and women's basketball linked together as one item. Once you get to a text document which is out there in Gopherspace, anybody else can link to that document from their OWN set of hierarchical menus, arranged in some completely different way, with their own titles. The ISU lacrosse gopher page might be one item in somebody else's lacrosse gopher. If there were a whole bundle of ISU lacrosse pages, the whole bundle could be linked to other gophers as a unit.

Thus, to actually get to the text you wanted, you needed to click on several links, and you had to read through a menu each time before you chose another link. That worked more rapidly than people might think today, and in the heyday of gopher, there was a lot of time spent choosing and organizing links.

== Confused ==

"released in 1991" "By the late 1990s, Gopher had all but disappeared." Could someone imporve the timeline here?


A quote:


"The Internet Gopher (the official name) has nothing to do with that pouchy rodent, except the name. Gopher is an Internet protocol, a distributed document search and retrieval system developed by the University of Minnesota. The official definition explains this protocol quite clearly: "The Internet Gopher uses a simple client/server protocol that can be used to publish and search for information held on a distributed network of hosts. Gopher clients have a seamless view of the information in the Gopher world even though the information is distributed over many different hosts. Clients can navigate through a hierarchy of directories and documents menus! or ask an index server to return a list of all documents that contain one or more words. Because the index server does full-text searches, every word in every document is a keyword."

Citation:
Go for all the information around the world with the Internet's Gopher
Milewski, Darek. InfoWorld. San Mateo: Jul 12, 1993.Vol.15, Iss. 28; pg. 41, 1 pgs

==Article split==
The article should be split into two. Gopher protocol should be about the protocol itself and Internet Gopher should be more general. [[User:Newmanbe|Benn Newman]] 19:55, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

The article needs to be cleaned up. If someone feels that the best way to clean it is to split it first, then I'd say "go for it!" I miss the days of gopher, but I don't really have the knowledge to do it myself. [[User:69.198.111.180|69.198.111.180]] 18:20, 31 December 2005 (UTC) Whoops, forgot to sign in before. [[User:Matt Deres|Matt Deres]] 18:22, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
*I '''oppose''' the split, as long as the section on the protocol itself is as short as it is. The article needs improvement, but I don't see how the split would improve anything right now. [[User:Kusma|Kusma]] [[User_talk:Kusma|(討論)]] 10:52, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

:I don't know if it's worth splitting completely, but I have had a go of at least collecting together the information that seemed to belong together - everything historical is now under "History", and so on. It all still needs work, but this goes some way to eliminating the worst arbitrarynesses I think... - [[User:IMSoP|IMSoP]] 15:58, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

:Kusma: Part of the whole point of Gopher is that it is simple. Of course it is short. :) [[User:Newmanbe|Benn Newman]] 22:07, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

*The page looks a lot better, IMSoP. I came off as sounding like I'm in favour of a split above, but I'd vote '''oppose''' at this point. Keep it together until the article is just too long. [[User:Matt Deres|Matt Deres]] 17:33, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

I've just taken a piece of earlier discussion which I posted several months ago, before signing up as a user, edited it, and put it in as a new section titled "What is an Internet Gopher?" That discussion sat here for a couple of months and nobody added to it or commented on it. I suspect that the provision of a secion like this obviates any need for a split, so I vote '''oppose''' on this.[[User:CGMullin|Chris Mullin]]As you could probably tell, I'm just starting here, had not yet read through Help:Editing :-([[User:CGMullin|CGMullin]] 17:28, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

==Summarisation and reword==
I've summarised the example and reworded some parts to make it more understandable for non-technical background readers. (Hands up, those of you who know what CR LF is... without referring to the [[ASCII]] table. :P) &mdash; [[User:Kimchi.sg|Kimchi.sg]] | [[User_talk:Kimchi.sg|Talk]] 18:58, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

===''Some'' example still needed, IMHO===
.. so maybe mine WAS too verbose! I admit I'm verbose. But if somebody who has vaguely heard about Gopher wants to know what it was-- the present version does not ''show'' them that. See the comment somebody (not me) made last year above under '''What is it?''' I quote the revision:

"A Gopher system consists of a series of hierarchical menus. The choice of menu items and titles is set by the administrator of the server.

Similar to a file on a Web server, a file on a Gopher server can be linked to as a menu item from any other Gopher server."

If I did not already know what a Gopher is, this explanation would be opaque. The only way I know to clearly show how this differs from hypertext is to give an example. A real Gopher typically had several dozen hierarchcally-arranged topics and subtopics, on four or five levels.

Especially as time passes, the chief interest in an article on Gopher is likely to be historical. The article now, in conjuction with References and footnotes, explains how to set up a Gopher, but not what a Gopher user experience was like. I voted against a split because this is always going to be a short wiki, and readers are apt to be interested in both the technology and the interface.

I'm quite willing to hear suggestions on how to shorten my earlier draft![[User:CGMullin|CGMullin]] 21:17, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

FWIW, I think I'm a fairly appropriate person to be contributing this wiki section, since from the beginning of the University of Montana's Gopher, up til the end several years later, I was one of the people on the local "Gopher-Tamers" committee who actually organized and selected the links. [[User:CGMullin|CGMullin]] 21:22, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

:OK, I understand your point... lots of people nowadays have never seen a Gopher menu. :(

:However, I think a real example is better than a fictional one, so I will be adding one later this afternoon (UTC time), since I'm stuck with real-life work now. &mdash; [[User:Kimchi.sg|Kimchi.sg]] | [[User_talk:Kimchi.sg|Talk]] 01:52, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

:What is this historical-aspect of Gopher you speak of? ;) [[User:Newmanbe|Benn Newman]] 23:07, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

I have made some screenshots to replace the example. I believe this will be more fascinating to those who have never used a dedicated Gopher client - a picture speaks a thousand words. And we're really "showing them" Gopher in operation. ;-) &mdash; [[User:Kimchi.sg|Kimchi.sg]] | [[User_talk:Kimchi.sg|Talk]] 17:55, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

For a Gopher `paper' I am writing, I took some screen shots of various Macintosh clients -- I could add them (but probably not for a few days). [[User:Newmanbe|Benn Newman]] 22:08, 24 February 2006 (UTC)


I'd suggest that since Gopher was most prominent in the days of 80x25 ASCII screens, if only one more illustration is needed, it would be MUCH more appropriate to include [[ an ACSII screen ]] rather than both a Windows client and a MAC client.]] In the heyday of Gopher there was, as yet, no graphical web browser. Gopher was so successful precisely because it was an alternative to hypertext, and if you look at it on either a Mac or a Windows machine, you miss that. Kimchi, can you (or anyone?) still replicate a monochrome screen, 80x25? Amber for preference!

Alternatively, one more Windows screen, AND an ACSSI* screen, with a lable to show that this is how we did things in the distant past. With the same text in both, or all three interfaces, of course. Probably a second-level menu is only needed for one example, so we are talking about either one or two more illustrations. [[User:CGMullin|CGMullin]] 06:55, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
[[User:CGMullin|CGMullin]] 06:55, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Gopher *is* hypertext. I could upload a screen shot of the UMN UNIX gopher client from a terminal emulator. We could also point people to [http://gopher.quux.org:70/Software%2fGopher%2fscreenshots] or [gopher://gopher.quux.org:70/1%2fSoftware%2fGopher%2fscreenshots]. [[User:Newmanbe|Benn Newman]] 16:34, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

I'd sincerely hope that Benn (or somebody) does upload the screen shot. If I felt more capable of my abilities I'd try that one myself. That seems more useful than another link, since (IMHO!) only one additional ASCII example is needed, but I think that example *is* needed. I'd have no problem with adding the links also, of course. [[User:CGMullin|CGMullin]] 23:40, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

I added a screenshot of the UMN curses client. I wasn't sure exactly what colour amber is supposed to be so I used green instead. :) [[User:Newmanbe|Benn Newman]] 03:44, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Green is fine, Benn! I guess you were not around in the days when monochrome monitors had changed from black to green to amber (a sort of brownish-yellow), on the basis that amber produced even less eyestrain than green. The large-scale adoption of Windows and the increasing affordabilty of VGA monitors killed off the amber monitor. But it WOULD be appropriate for a Gopher menu from one of the original Gopher clients, because this, like Gopher itself, was what most people were using around 1992. But I repeat-- green is fine. Probably most other people who got to the web after Mosaic arrive alos have no clue what an amber monitor was. [[User:CGMullin|CGMullin]] 15:29, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

I am a fairly recent convert to Gopher, about a year and a half or so. After discovering rements of older technologies -- I am using the word technologies somewhat losely -- I am amazed at why people think the current way of doing things is any better. [[User:Newmanbe|Benn Newman]] 22:12, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

The current way of doing things is NOT better if you are trying to organize something like a website for one University-- except that it's harder to meaningfully integrate all the pretty pictures into all the Gopher menus. Gopher was especially great for people with visual problems. Much easier for them to navigate than even a typical compliant webpage. And the hierarch imposed by people who were actually desinging the Gopher made it much less likely that people would get lost in their searches, if the design work was well done. OTOH, Gopher did not permit a convenient search over multiple pages. And even if you put thumbnail images in all over the menu pages, it does not LOOK as sexy as a good webpage. That was what really got people going to the WWW after Mosaic appeared-- the looks. The fact that you could finally *see* something on the Internet besides endless 80x25 ASCII text. By the time people started using Mosaic, in 1994 and 1995 for most folks, everybody was used to VGA graphics in games, and even used to being able to show different fonts in Windows applications. But most people had never had a chance to see any graphics on the Internet prior to Mosaic. [[User:CGMullin|CGMullin]] 22:49, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

===Is Gopher really hypertext?===
Commenting on Benn's statement of 16:34, 26 February 2006 -- Well, I guess so, but it's ALSO a menuing system, rather than the embedded links which are almost universally the only form in which hypertext is encountered today. That's why I'm pushing for examples that include screen shots-- because Gopher just does not work the way that today's typical software does. Many people looking at this article who want to understand Gopher won't be clear on that unless they see an example. Those people are less likely to actually leave the site to visit a real Gopher as their initial step toward learning more than they are to click on an image. [[User:CGMullin|CGMullin]] 23:40, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

I note, BTW, that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Internet currently implies that Gopher is NOT hypertext-- a fairly through rewrite of a paragraph or two would be needed to fix that I think. Since I'm new here, I will give others working here a heads-up on that, and see how you fix it [[User:CGMullin|CGMullin]] 15:33, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed that before. I just rethought it in my head to correct it. :) [[User:Newmanbe|Benn Newman]] 22:20, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

I've corrected [[History of the Internet]] to show that Gopher really is hypertext. [[User:CGMullin|CGMullin]] 00:22, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

== Item type characters ==

With the 'complete list' of item type characters, new ones (or ones that were never used) just come out of the blue. I am reverting it back to the list of most used. [[User:Newmanbe|Benn Newman]] 13:22, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

== any proxy ? ==

Hi,

I think it might be useful to put a list of proxy who still handle gopher, in the external links, what do you think ?
I know proxy.free.fr does, but only for users of this ISP (free.)
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I am not sure exactly what you mean. Feel free to add any links that are allowed under the [[Wikipedia:External links|external links]] policy. --[[User:Newmanbe|Benn Newman]] 22:31, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Insofar as information management is concerned, the shift in user base from Gopher to the web can be seen simply as a preference progression from text-based to [[GUI|graphical interfaces]].

NO NO NO! The download speeds were so slow at the time that GUI's that were not entirely client-sided were unbearably slow. As a computer graphics student in the mid 90's, I use to watch as illustrations and pixelated photos downloaded VERY painfully slowly, one pixel line at a time!!
Gopher could just have easily caught up with graphics, but I guess no-one wanted to pay the fees. Do not underestimate the power of free. [[User:Cuvtixo|Cuvtixo]] 18:32, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


I have just added archive links to {{plural:2|one external link|2 external links}} on [[Gopher (protocol)]]. Please take a moment to review [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=677901226 my edit]. If necessary, add {{tlx|cbignore}} after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{tlx|nobots|deny{{=}}InternetArchiveBot}} to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
== Remaining sites being run by individual enthusiasts ==
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20110804183515/http://gopher.floodgap.com:80/1/new to http://gopher.floodgap.com/1/new
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20110804183515/http://gopher.floodgap.com:80/1/new to //gopher.floodgap.com/1/new


When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the ''checked'' parameter below to '''true''' to let others know.
I have removed the line "With the vast popularity of the World Wide Web, Gopher is all but disused at present, with remaining sites being run by individual enthusiasts" from the introduction as there are still quite a few gopher servers around that do not fit this description, they are mainly maintained by educational institutions. --[[User:Thefrood|Thefrood]] ([[User talk:Thefrood|talk]]) 03:26, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


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- there are still a couple left that are run by universities and the like but a lot are run by enthusiasts. [[User:Towel401|Towel401]] ([[User talk:Towel401|talk]]) 13:17, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


Cheers. —[[User:Cyberbot II|<sup style="color:green;font-family:Courier">cyberbot II</sup>]]<small><sub style="margin-left:-14.9ex;color:green;font-family:Comic Sans MS">[[User talk:Cyberbot II|<span style="color:green">Talk to my owner</span>]]:Online</sub></small> 06:31, 26 August 2015 (UTC)..
-- ...but that is not what the line said and quick browse through the known server lists at [gopher://gopher.floodgap.com/ Floodgap] shows the number of servers linked to education organisations to be quite a bit more than just a couple and then there are servers linked to non educational organisations such as the [gopher://archive.ntp.org/ Network Time Protocol project]. --[[User:Thefrood|Thefrood]] ([[User talk:Thefrood|talk]]) 19:20, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


:The bot failed to rescue this link. I'll fix it eventually, but if anyone is able to fix it before me, that would be nice. [[User:Zcrayfish|zcrayfish]] ([[User talk:Zcrayfish|talk]]) 08:10, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
== Gopher and Chrome ==


== Origins subpara: "The standard method of locating someone's email address " ==
Have not tested it, but would like to see the browser support table updated with details from Chrome's support. [[Special:Contributions/74.74.236.214|74.74.236.214]] ([[User talk:74.74.236.214|talk]]) 21:02, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:What should updated if there is nothing to update? Webkit doesn't support gopher natively and google seems to be uninterested to implement it in. Chrome does not support gopher (at the moment). <small style="font:bold 12px Courier New;display:inline;border:#009 1px dashed;padding:1px 6px 2px 7px;white-space:nowrap"><font color="#000">[[User talk:Mabdul|mabdul]]</font></small> 06:53, 11 October 2010 (UTC)


The subparagraph "By 1992, the standard method of locating someone's e-mail address was to find their organization's CCSO nameserver entry in Gopher, and query the nameserver" has no citation to back up this statement (the cited link is merely to a newsgroup article on the subject). "The standard method" implies that this was widespread across all email users, and that it would be used by most people on the internet. As a user in 1992 I certainly never came across it, and unless I'm mistaken no-one I ever spoke to used this mechanism, and although it may have been "standard method" within a restricted set of users (those organisations that were using gopher already, say) that would definitely require the text receive some qualification. [[User:Gwinkless|gwinkless]] ([[User talk:Gwinkless|talk]]) 16:21, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
== Broken connection between images ==


== S6 ==
In the original 2006 image, the 'fun and games' link was visible, such that the 2nd image (what can be found after following that link) makes sense. However, in the 2008 image, 'fun and games' is no longer visible, so the connection no longer makes sense [[User:Fatphil|Fatphil]] ([[User talk:Fatphil|talk]]) 13:06, 30 May 2011 (UTC)


Am I the only one who considers the <s>S6</s> G6 additions to the gophertypes section to be unnotable? They're not in the RFC or the gopher+ or gopherII proposals.
== Table of browsers ==
As far as I can tell those additions are more or less reinventing many gopher+ features, and are only supported by one client (which is flagged as malware by Windows Defender) and one server... Neither of which are widely in use, and most references I see to them are from, to put it bluntly, spam on wikipedia and IRC.
[[User:Zcrayfish|zcrayfish]] ([[User talk:Zcrayfish|talk]]) 13:45, 26 June 2021 (UTC)


== More sources ==
Browsers that do not support Gopher should be removed. Including them in a table of browsers makes sense for an article about browsers. They don't belong in an article about Gopher. When time permits I will remove them if they are still shown.
[[Special:Contributions/97.122.81.81|97.122.81.81]] ([[User talk:97.122.81.81|talk]]) 21:39, 20 July 2011 (UTC)


The following sources might be useful:
== Konqueror ==
# [http://dl.iimk.ac.in/greenstone/cgi-bin/library.cgi?e=d-00000-00---off-0ecomme--00-0----0-10-0---0---0direct-10----4-------0-1l--11-en-50---20-preferences---00-0-1-00-00--4----0-0-11-10-0utfZz-8-00&cl=CL1&d=HASH01ee4dab3f977f38299ad07e.4&gt=1 Internet Publishing Handbook, Chapter 3: Gopher and Gopher+]
# [https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2009/11/the-web-may-have-won-but-gopher-tunnels-on/ The Web may have won, but Gopher tunnels on]
# [https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2010/07/overbite-project-brings-gopher-protocol-to-android Overbite Project brings Gopher protocol to Android]


[[User:Anton.bersh|Anton.bersh]] ([[User talk:Anton.bersh|talk]]) 08:27, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
I first removed Konqueror but then reverted myself. This is why;
The website of the Kio-plugin - http://kgopher.berlios.de/ - The download section; all links are broken. It is not available anymore at KDE. The developer websites of it; latest release is of 2008. Download links are broken. It can still be found and downloaded here; http://packages.ubuntu.com/nl/hardy-backports/kio-gopher-kde4 . But I could not install it on Ubuntu 10.04 because dependencies that could not be resolved. But just now I noticed it is still in my repository of Ubuntu - and it installs and works. So it may be a dead project that plugin but is not yet extinct. At least in Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, what is an older, version of Ubuntu. --[[User:Walter|Walter]] ([[User talk:Walter|talk]]) 21:00, 25 September 2011 (UTC)


== Non-WWW software in web clients section. ==
== lftp and gopher ==


Hello all,
Cannot find any mentions of gopher protocol support in lftp, are there any?
I have removed ACID, Gophie, and Lagrange from the list of web clients as they do not appear to be web clients at all.
I think the article should have a native gopher client section in which these software would fit in.
[[User:Zcrayfish|zcrayfish]] ([[User talk:Zcrayfish|talk]]) 03:36, 19 July 2021 (UTC)


== Gopher G6 ==
<pre><nowiki>
$ LC_ALL=C lftp gopher://gopher.floodgap.com/
lftp: gopher - not supported protocol
</nowiki></pre>


Hello IP editor and {{u|Zcrayfish}}, you seem to be involved in a very slow edit war. I invite you to discuss your editorial opinions here. I see that IP editor for references provided only links to some GitLab project, which probably does not meet [[WP:RS|Wikipedia definition of reliable source]]. One reference actually just leads to a generic index page and not a specific documents which would support the statements. Since IP editor did not provide a sources, I agree with Zcrayfish until IP editor demonstrates good sources. [[User:Anton.bersh|Anton.bersh]] ([[User talk:Anton.bersh|talk]]) 09:37, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
--[[User:Ygrex|Ygrex]] ([[User talk:Ygrex|talk]]) 02:13, 12 August 2012 (UTC)


:Hi there, I welcome input by the 36.37.192.0/20 user. As of the time of this posting (I didn't see your message until after I made my most recent revert) I will refrain from reverting changes from 36.37.192.0/20. I did make a mention of the situation above in the S6<small>[sic, should have been G6]</small> section above. 10:51, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
== Using Gopher ==


: The sources pretty decent, reverting to Gopher G6 section [[User:Edia4545m|Edia4545m]] ([[User talk:Edia4545m|talk]]) 11:50, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
I will try to answer requests above to share what it was like to use Gopher, and to better show Gopher's place in the rush to the World Wide Web and search engines we know today.


:: Even of the source was decent <small>(which I don't consider it to be great, as it's overly terse)</small>, the G6 extension does not seem to be notable, it seems to be supported by less gopher servers and client software than even Gopher+ <small>(1 and 1 respectively at my last count)</small>...
There are complaints ("If I did not already know what a Gopher is, this explanation would be opaque" and "This article completely fails to explain what Gopher is...") and, both as a computing and as an internet article, it has received a "C" grade. The TALK contributors who made those criticisms also wrote good text to improve the article, which inspired what I wrote. My main reference is the well-known article which taught me Gopher, widely reprinted at the time (my copy came from the NIH, Bethesda computer center) and fortunately still available on the Web.
::Additionally are there any publicly accessible servers? If this is something that is only accessible to 127.0.0.1 in a single homelab, it really fails to be notable. 12:07, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
::: https://pastebin.com/9c6L8yhA and many local industrial servers [[User:Edia4545m|Edia4545m]] ([[User talk:Edia4545m|talk]]) 12:42, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
:: The source that was added is a personal account on gitlab. It includes a fork of bucktooth (without required license), a simplistic python client that appears hard-coded to pull from a single server and is stuffed with an issue log of spam buzzwords by its own author. That's far from a decent source. Meanwhile this same project leader has been harrassing other gopher channels, such as IRC, and forums (kiwifarms links are banned from wikipedia or I'd include it here) with inflamatory speech. I agree with Zcrayfish that there's no basis that suggests G6 or S6 or whatever he's calling it today has any notable presence. [[User:Jamestomasino|Jamestomasino]] ([[User talk:Jamestomasino|talk]]) 16:01, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
::: Lets fact check:
:::* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucktooth VS https://gitlab.com/SSS8555/save_gopher_server source code equal in 35 strings of 5000
:::* The "simplistic python client" is part of documentation for developers https://gitlab.com/SSS8555/python_g6_client
:::* "simplistic python client" not only G6 client available, here is https://gitlab.com/SSS8555/acid
:::* Issue log of spam made not by author
:::* Who it the "project leader" you dont like so mach? Is he bad?
:::[[User:Edia4545m|Edia4545m]] ([[User talk:Edia4545m|talk]]) 03:08, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
::::Hi, {{u|Edia4545m}} I have added ":::" before your itemized list entries to fix indentation. Please use "Show preview" button to preview your comment and make sure it's easy to read. Thanks! [[User:Anton.bersh|Anton.bersh]] ([[User talk:Anton.bersh|talk]]) 07:16, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
:::[[Bucktooth]] does not have any sources either, but let's discuss its notability separatelly on [[Talk:Bucktooth]]. [[User:Anton.bersh|Anton.bersh]] ([[User talk:Anton.bersh|talk]]) 07:26, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
:::I do not see any sources about G6 or S6 which would meet Wikipedia definition of [[WP:RS|reliable sources]]. I do not consider the following sources reliable:
:::# [https://gitlab.com/SSS8555 Gopher G6 source code repositary] on [[GitLab]] and all its contents. This is user-generated and user-submitted content which does not pass through any third-party review. Literally anyone can create free account on GitLab and upload pretty much anything.
:::# [https://pastebin.com/9c6L8yhA Material] on [[Pastebin]] - not reliable (see above)
:::# Logs from random chats like in "LOL" section
:::# Material simply posted somewhere on the internet which lacks attribution and has not been archived somewhere (not necessarily online) and therefore does not meet Wikipedia definition of [[WP:PUBLISHED|"published"]]. It's simple to archive a document on internet via [[Internet Archive]]. However, note that being "archived" is a required but not sufficient qualification of a source. That is being "archived" is a prerequisite for a reliable source, not a guarantee that a the source will be considered reliable.
:::Please let me know of any other sources. [[User:Anton.bersh|Anton.bersh]] ([[User talk:Anton.bersh|talk]]) 09:31, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
::::Here is list of Wiki pages for (You) for check:


{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align: center; width: auto; table-layout: fixed;"
INSERTION & HEADINGS: Wikipedia articles are never done. To make additional editing as easy as possible, I will delete nothing, only add the text which is also given below. The opening sections after the article's opening paragraph are now ORIGINS and STAGNATION. Egad! How about ORIGINS, FULL GLORY and STAGNATION? OK, I'll put what I wrote below in as ORIGINS, A NEW USER EXPERIENCE, STAGNATION. (New experience? The level of unification of several services under Goppher-as-a-client was bigger and better than anything before, even if there's never anything really new under the sun.)
|-
! Server
! Developed by
! Latest version
! Release date
! License
! Written in
! Notes
|-
! {{rh}} | [http://aftershock.sourceforge.net/ Aftershock]
| Rob Linwood
| 1.0.1
| {{date table sorting|2004-04-22|format=dmy}}
| [[MIT License|MIT]]
| [[Java (programming language)|Java]]
|
|-
! {{rh}} | [https://metacpan.org/pod/Apache::GopherHandler Apache::GopherHandler]
| Timm Murray
| 0.1
| {{date table sorting|2004-03-26|format=dmy}}
| [[GNU General Public License#Version 2|GPLv2 or any later version]]
| [[Perl (programming language)|Perl]]
| Apache 2 plugin to run [[#gopher-server-perl|Gopher-Server]].
|-
! {{rh}} | [https://github.com/crcx/atua Atua]
| Charles Childers
| 2017.4
| {{date table sorting|2017-10-09|format=dmy}}
| [[ISC license|ISC]]
| [[Forth (programming language)|Forth]]
|
|-
! {{rh}} | [[Bucktooth]]
| Cameron Kaiser
| 0.2.9
| {{date table sorting|2011-05-01|format=dmy}}
| Floodgap Free Software License
| [[Perl (programming language)|Perl]]
|
|-
! {{rh}} | [https://github.com/michael-lazar/flask-gopher Flask-Gopher]
| Michael Lazar
| 2.2.1
| {{date table sorting|2020-04-11|format=dmy}}
| [[GNU General Public License#Version 3|GPLv3]]
| [[Python (programming language)|Python]]
|
|-
! {{rh}} | [https://github.com/heddwch/geomyid geomyid]
| Quinn Evans
| 0.0.1
| {{date table sorting|2015-08-10|format=dmy}}
| [[BSD 2-Clause License|2-clause BSD]]
| [[Common Lisp]]
|
|-
! {{rh}} | [gopher://gopher.r-36.net/1/scm/geomyidae geomyidae] (gopher link) ([http://gopher.floodgap.com/gopher/gw?a=gopher%3A%2F%2Fgopher.r-36.net%2F1%2Fscm%2Fgeomyidae proxied link])
| Christoph Lohmann
| 0.34
| {{date table sorting|2019-03-13|format=dmy}}
| [[MIT License|MIT]]
| [[C (programming language)|C]]
|
|-
! {{rh}} | [http://freshmeat.net/projects/gn/ GN]
| xripclaw
| 2.25-20020226
| {{date table sorting|2002-02-26|format=dmy}}
| [[GNU General Public License|GPL]]
| [[C (programming language)|C]]
|
|-
! {{rh}} | [http://gofish.sourceforge.net/ GoFish]
| Sean MacLennan
| 1.2
| {{date table sorting|2010-10-08|format=dmy}}
| [[GNU General Public License#Version 2|GPLv2]]
| [[C (programming language)|C]]
|
|-
! {{rh}} | [gopher://gopher.pcrpg.org Gopher Cannon]{{Dead link|date=June 2019}}
| Geoff Sevart
| 1.07
| {{date table sorting|2013-07-08|format=dmy}}
| Freeware
| [[.NET Framework 3.5|.NET 3.5]] ([[Windows API|Win32/Win64]])
| Version 1.06 of 26 August 2010 is available from [gopher://gopherspace.de/1/menu/Downloads/Gopher_Server/weitere_Gopher_Server/nt/Gopher_Cannon/ gopherspace.de] (gopher link) ([http://gopher.floodgap.com/gopher/gw?a=gopher%3A%2F%2Fgopherspace.de%2F1%2Fmenu%2FDownloads%2FGopher_Server%2Fweitere_Gopher_Server%2Fnt%2FGopher_Cannon%2F proxied link])
|-
! {{rh}} | <span id="gopher-server-perl"></span>[https://metacpan.org/release/Gopher-Server Gopher-Server]
| Timm Murray
| 0.1.1
| {{date table sorting|2004-03-26|format=dmy}}
| [[GNU General Public License#Version 2|GPLv2]]
| [[Perl (programming language)|Perl]]
|
|-
! {{rh}} | [http://gophernicus.org/ Gophernicus]
| Kim Holviala and others
| 3.1.1
| {{date table sorting|2021-01-03|format=dmy}}
| [[BSD 2-Clause License|2-clause BSD]]
| [[C (programming language)|C]]
|
|-
! {{rh}} | [http://gophrier.tuxfamily.org/ gophrier]
| Guillaume Duhamel
| 0.2.3
| {{date table sorting|2012-03-29|format=dmy}}
| [[GNU General Public License#Version 2|GPLv2]]
| [[C (programming language)|C]]
|
|-
! {{rh}} | [gopher://zzo38computer.org/1gophserv GOPHSERV]{{Dead link|date=June 2019}}
| {{dunno}}
| 0.5
| {{date table sorting|2012-12-30|format=dmy}}
| [[GNU General Public License#Version 3|GPLv3]]
| [[FreeBASIC]]
| Version 0.4 is available from [gopher://gopherspace.de:70/1/menu/Downloads/Gopher_Server/weitere_Gopher_Server/nt/gophserv/ gopherspace.de] (gopher link) ([http://gopher.floodgap.com/gopher/gw?a=gopher%3A%2F%2Fgopherspace.de%3A70%2F1%2Fmenu%2FDownloads%2FGopher_Server%2Fweitere_Gopher_Server%2Fnt%2Fgophserv%2F proxied link])
|-
! {{rh}} | [https://github.com/arcfide/goscher Goscher]
| Aaron W. Hsu
| 8.0
| {{date table sorting|2011-06-20|format=dmy}}
| [[ISC license|ISC]]
| [[Scheme (programming language)|Scheme]]
|
|-
! {{rh}} | [https://port70.net/?1mgod mgod]
| Mate Nagy
| 1.1
| {{date table sorting|2018-01-29|format=dmy}}
| [[GNU General Public License#Version 3|GPLv3]]
| [[C (programming language)|C]]
|
|-
! {{rh}} | [http://motsognir.sourceforge.net/ Motsognir]
| Mateusz Viste
| 1.0.13
| {{date table sorting|2021-01-08|format=dmy}}
| [[MIT License|MIT]]
| [[C (programming language)|C]]
|
|-
! {{rh}} | [https://github.com/dotcomboom/Pituophis Pituophis]
| dotcomboom
| 1.1
| {{date table sorting|2020-05-16|format=dmy}}
| [[BSD 2-Clause License|2-clause BSD]]
| [[Python (programming language)|Python]]
| Python-based Gopher library with both server and client support
|-
! {{rh}} | [[PyGopherd]]
| [[John Goerzen]]
| 2.0.18.5
| {{date table sorting|2017-02-14|format=dmy}}
| [[GNU General Public License#Version 2|GPLv2]]
| [[Python (programming language)|Python]]
| Also supports HTTP, WAP, and Gopher+
|-
! {{rh}} | [https://web.archive.org/web/20050403091529/http://gurno.com/adam/pygs/ PyGS]
| Adam Gurno
| 0.3.5
| {{date table sorting|2001-08-07|format=dmy}}
| [[GNU General Public License#Version 2|GPLv2]]
| [[Python (programming language)|Python]]
| Development stopped as of 17 April 2003
|-
! {{rh}} | [https://redis.io/topics/gopher Redis]
| [[Salvatore Sanfilippo]]
| 6.2.4
| {{date table sorting|2021-06-01|format=dmy}} <!-- error in the changelog - it says: Redis 6.2.4 Released Tue July 1 12:00:00 IST 2021 -->
| [[BSD 3-Clause License|3-clause BSD]]
| [[C (programming language)|C]]
|
|-
! {{rh}} | [https://gitlab.com/SSS8555/save_gopher_server save_gopher_server]
| SSS8555
| 0.777
| {{date table sorting|2020-07-07|format=dmy}}
| {{dunno}}
| [[Perl (programming language)|Perl]]
| with G6 extension and TFTP
|-
! {{rh}} | [https://github.com/sternenseemann/spacecookie Spacecookie]
| Lukas Epple
| 1.0.0.0
| {{date table sorting|2021-03-17|format=dmy}}
| [[GNU General Public License#Version 3|GPLv3]]
| [[Haskell (programming language)|Haskell]]
|
|-
! {{rh}} | [https://gitlab.com/leveck/xylophar Xylophar]
| Nathaniel Leveck
| 0.0.1
| {{date table sorting|2020-01-15|format=dmy}}
| [[GNU General Public License#Version 3|GPLv3]]
| [[FreeBASIC]]
|
|}
::::[[User:Sd777797|Sd777797]] ([[User talk:Sd777797|talk]]) 12:14, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
:::::Hello {{u|Sd777797}}, I checked the sources above and could not find a single source mentioning G6 besides SSS8555 account on GitLab. In the above discussion we established that ''one'' account posting a piece of code and documentation for it on GitLab does not constitute notability. For a protocol to be notable, there must be at least some reliable commentary about it, e.g., academic or news paper coverage or multiple implementations or any other major reliable coverage.
:::::Also, please read [[Wikipedia:But there must be sources!]]. In short, one can not just say "I know there are sources" and expect others to dig through the whole wealth of human knowledge to prove there are no sources. One has to demonstrate these sources to include the info into the article.
:::::[[User:Anton.bersh|Anton.bersh]] ([[User talk:Anton.bersh|talk]]) 22:37, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
::::::Since this in-depth discussion did not yield any sources, I removed the unsupported info. If anyone finds good sources, please cite them and add info these sources state. Thanks! [[User:Anton.bersh|Anton.bersh]] ([[User talk:Anton.bersh|talk]]) 10:14, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
:::::::The sources in the article [[Special:Contributions/36.37.198.115|36.37.198.115]] ([[User talk:36.37.198.115|talk]]) 10:22, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
::::::::Hello IP, unfortunatelly I do not see any [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] about G6 in the article. Could you actually link them here? Please consider reading [[Wikipedia:But there must be sources!]] if you haven't already. [[User:Anton.bersh|Anton.bersh]] ([[User talk:Anton.bersh|talk]]) 22:50, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
::::::::: 36.37.192.0/21 has been partially blocked from editing the page for 1 week; 36.37.192.0/21, during that time, please read the links already provided to you regarding reliable sources. If you can find any, feel free to propose them on this talk page. If you resume edit-warring after that block expires, the next block will be longer.<b>[[User:Ohnoitsjamie|OhNo<span style="color: #D47C14;">itsJamie</span>]] [[User talk:Ohnoitsjamie|<sup>Talk</sup>]]</b> 14:58, 27 July 2021 (UTC)


==Server list==
"GOPHER EXPERIENCE" and "TECHNICAL DETAILS" SECTIONS: The just-inserted "A New User Experience" deals with the GOPHER EXPERIENCE. The short GOPHER EXPERIENCE section fails to capture the experience as widely TALKed about, but it does have good technical information. I will put it into the following TECHNICAL DETAILS section under a lower-level paragraph heading.
Most of those entries should be removed unless either (1) they have a standalone article like [[PyGopherd]] (or, possibly a dedicated section in an article about an enclosing project), or (2) a [[WP:RS|reliable source]] can be provided that indicates how the server meets [[WP:GNG|general notability criteria]]. [[WP:NOTCATALOG|Wikipedia is not a catalog or directory]]. If there is a good external list of Gopher clients, a link to that could be included in the "External links" section. <b>[[User:Ohnoitsjamie|OhNo<span style="color: #D47C14;">itsJamie</span>]] [[User talk:Ohnoitsjamie|<sup>Talk</sup>]]</b> 17:37, 27 July 2021 (UTC)


: I agree. I went ahead and removed gn, PyGS, Gopher Cannon, and GOPHSERV as they had either dead links or are unmaintained. More cleanup in that section is needed. [[User:Zcrayfish|zcrayfish]] ([[User talk:Zcrayfish|talk]]) 22:31, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
Please save this section and the illustration. It would be just great to introduce the **linkage technology** and **protocol characteristics** that supported the menu construction so well for sys admins setting up gopher servers. The GOPHER ITEM TYPES now listed so prominently in this article as it presently stands (Dec2012) are significant because they never had to be seen by users. Look at the what-was-it-like intro again (A NEW USER EXPERIENCE) and see if you can find here at the technical level what drove Gopher to be what it was. Is TCP to a "well-known" (specified) port number on a particular machine limiting in some way compared to what HTTP added? DNS at the IP level? There's more to Gopher/WWW differences than just adding HTML. (If I knew, I'd say. I pass the torch to you.) This is pivotal history, this is not "C-level" and, if you can link the different fate of Gopher and the WWW to technical details of protocol and coding, then this is more than "mid-importance" information for nostalgic old guys in rocking chairs.


: What about removing those that haven't been updated in the last few years (exact number of years to be decided), except those that appear to be used on existing gopher sites? I had a look at the servers listed on gopher.floodgap.com/1/new and collected information re server from them. (Many provide no such information.)
NEW TEXT
{{cot|Gophernicus: 28}}
* cobug.org
* cyber.dabamos.de
* devio.us
* dio9sys.fun
* eyeblea.ch
* firien.helluin.org
* first-monitor.ethz.ch
* gemeinde.zermatt.ch
* gopher.lottalinuxlinks.com
* gopher.operationalsecurity.es
* gopher.spacehippie.ca
* gopher.talkingcats.com
* gopher.teacupftp.com
* gopher.unixwire.com
* gopher.zcrayfish.soy
* happymacs.ddns.net
* invisibleup.com
* isene.com
* petermolnar.net
* phlogosphere.org
* pogemon.pw
* shl.huld.re
* srjskam.iki.fi
* suika.erkin.party
* telefisk.org
* tellus.strangled.net
* tilde.team
* xepb.org
{{cob}}
{{cot|PyGopherd: 9}}
* fripster.ydns.eu
* gopher.casperscupboard.com
* gopher.info-underground.net
* gopher.johncave.co.nz
* infinitelyremote.com
* port70.de
* raymii.org
* tomas.dscloud.me
* ygrex.ru
{{cob}}
{{cot|Motsognir: 4}}
* gopher.ratthing.com
* gopher.unixlore.net
* gopher.viste.fr
* i-logout.cz
{{cob}}
{{cot|Bucktooth: 3}}
* gopher.386server.info
* gopher.floodgap.com
* gopher.nkeck72.xyz
{{cob}}
{{cot|Flask-Gopher: 2}}
* nz.xeroxirc.net
* origin.rxivist.org
{{cob}}
{{cot|Geomyidae: 2}}
* kagu-tsuchi.com
* yasendfile.org
{{cob}}
{{cot|Xylophar: 2}}
* 1436.ninja
* rpod.leveck.us
{{cob}}
:[[Special:Contributions/84.69.182.103|84.69.182.103]] ([[User talk:84.69.182.103|talk]]) 12:48, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
:: I think you're missing the point; [[WP:NOTCATALOG|Wikipedia is not a catalog or directory]]; this isn't about whether they've been updated recently, it's about whether or not they are notable and [[WP:V|verifiable]] with third-party sources. A github link is a primary source that only verifies that it exists. <b>[[User:Ohnoitsjamie|OhNo<span style="color: #D47C14;">itsJamie</span>]] [[User talk:Ohnoitsjamie|<sup>Talk</sup>]]</b> 13:43, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
::: This conversation likewise applies to the new "clients" section that popped up. [[User:Jamestomasino|Jamestomasino]] ([[User talk:Jamestomasino|talk]]) 10:11, 30 July 2021 (UTC)


== Semi-protected edit request on 29 September 2021 ==
WHAT WAS IT LIKE TO USE GOPHER? A NEW USER EXPERIENCE.


{{edit semi-protected|Gopher (protocol)|answered=yes}}
Contemporary accounts offer a glimpse of what using Gopher was like when
Please unwikilink John Goerzen as the article has been deleted. Thank you. [[Special:Contributions/84.69.151.40|84.69.151.40]] ([[User talk:84.69.151.40|talk]]) 21:38, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
the program burst onto the scene, unified several resources, and created
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"Gopher space".


== Unreadable screenshots ==
Exploring the Power of the Internet Gopher, by Lynn Ward; UIUCnet, Dec.
1992 - Jan. 1993, Vol. 6, No. 1
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~jac22/books/www/refs/tools/veronica


The two screenshots in "Gopher characteristics" are unreadable and no higher-res versions are available. They should be replaced or deleted. Thoughts? [[User:AmateurHistorian|AmateurHistorian]] ([[User talk:AmateurHistorian|talk]]) 19:59, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
On a screen with 25 lines of 80 green characters each (no graphics then,
:I agree, they appear to be low resolution due to fair-use/copyright concerns... I would be more than happy to take a screenshot of a server that I control (or someone else's if they don't mind) and release said screenshot directly into the public domain; unless anyone has any objections [[User:Zcrayfish|zcrayfish]] ([[User talk:Zcrayfish|talk]]) 03:44, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
long since remedied) you got a series of hierarchical menus. The top
{{done}} I have replaced the two screenshots in the "Gopher characteristics" section with a single screenshot I found on wikimedia commons. File:Firefox_Gopher_Directory_Listing.png is an alternate image available there too. [[User:Zcrayfish|zcrayfish]] ([[User talk:Zcrayfish|talk]]) 07:50, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
level menu might be all the departments and publications (e.g., the
campus newspaper) of your university, which had invested in running a
Gopher server as a way of delivering documents electronically, at least
to the local community.


== Removed Kristal screenshot ==
There were no search engines as we know them today. Available
information was presented in a series of nested menus, intended to
resemble a hierarchical file system of folders, something familiar to
computer users who saw any search for information as trying to find that
particular file (document) which held a particular answer.


I've removed the screenshot of Kristal as I feel it unfairly promotes that client over and above the others listed. Either they all get a screenshot, or none of them do (and I'm saying this as the author of Gopher Browser for Windows). I've left the Firefox one in, as that's a historic client before gopher fully fell out of fashion.
If you wanted recent news for the women's volleyball team, you would go
to the "Daily Crimson Newspaper" menu item and choose the "Word Search
of Latest Month" item. When asked to enter a search string, you would
enter the word "volleyball." All articles in the local Daily Crimson
newspaper from the last month that contained the word "volleyball" would
be listed as a separate menu. You could select which one to get first.
In part for lack of bandwidth, the system's presentation was intended to
appear as listings of files, without their content. There were no
paragraphs from inside the "hits", each with the word "volleyball" in
boldface type.


If we want a generic diagram of the structure of a gopher menu, I am happy to draw one for the 'Gopher Characteristics' section? [[User:Jaruzel|Jaruzel]] 09:04, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
And if you don't know what the newspaper is called or even if it is
available? Searching a top level menu called "Keyword Search of [all]
Gopher Menus" with a keyword "daily" would get you into the Daily
Crimson publication you wanted for your "volleyball" search.


== Removed gophertypes `j' and `w' ==
Note that this core Gopher functionality searches one publication in one
location only (the campus newspaper at a local university).
Nevertheless, the system was robust and its power soon grew. The sys
admins setting up any local Gopher server had freedom to change menu
hierarchies and names independently of the underlying file systems. What
enabled Gopher to give so many who worked with it a foretaste of the
World Wide Web yet to come was the ability to add links to other Gopher
servers around the world. Now users could hop from one server to
another in "Gopher space" (the first "cloud") without thinking about a
single underlying network address.


I have removed the gophertypes `j' and `w' from the article as the way they were described do not match extant usage. I was unable to find any documentation whatsoever on type j.
True, to actually get the text you wanted, you had to click on several
As for type w, since the early 90s [https://github.com/w3c/libwww/commit/edb73538ebd51aa92e7bbebcad16d1f74ec093fb#diff-ca9cf02cdc3f1a868f70d9b44f4a02ab639dda14148940c002e85db5d0d3cc89 in at least libwww-based gopher browsers and proxy server]s, type w is used for for URLs, not for documents.
links, and read through a menu each time before you choose another link.
Yet that worked more rapidly than people might think today, and in the
heyday of Gopher, much time was spent choosing and organizing links in
layouts that could be grasped at a glance. Gopher became the
text-handling, document-delivery system it was intended to be. A user
could display a text document on her screen, save it to a file, print it
out, or even e-mail a copy to another person on the Internet. Gopher
became the dominant client for other information services: Wide Area
Information Servers (WAIS), FTP, and Archie, a database of the files
held by most of the major anonymous (public) FTP sites on the Internet.
Initially, Gopher could search only one WAIS database at a time, and
WAIS's "relevance feedback" tool (find content-similar documents) was
not available.


The non-canonical item types section is getting large and wishful; it would be nice if folks would cite their sources when adding to this section.
The World Wide Web added graphics to text, but lost the menus. It took
a while for increased power in communication (bandwidth a thousand times
broader; 9600 baud MODEM to fiber optics), storage (arrays of disk
drives each a thousand times larger; under 1 GB to over 1 TB) and
computation (cheap servers; PC CPUs a thousand times faster) to permit
us to regularly crawl the Web and catalog it for search engines. While
Gopher's menu system seems quaint, we should remember the time between
the decline in Gopher usage and the arrival of search engine
ascendency. Back then, early World Wide Web users looked eagerly for
lists of links ("my favorite links" pages), and users were anxious to
bookmark good links that they might never find again. Without
structured menus, users had taken a step backwards, but, with less
structure, something with more generality and much greater power emerged
by the dawn of the 21st century: the World Wide Web.<br>
--end NEW TEXT<br>
[[User:Jerry-VA|Jerry-VA]] ([[User talk:Jerry-VA|talk]]) 17:47, 6 December 2012 (UTC)


[[User:Zcrayfish|zcrayfish]] ([[User talk:Zcrayfish|talk]]) 02:06, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
:This reads like an ad brochure or high school essay. No offense, but the style doesn't fit Wikipedia IMHO. --[[Special:Contributions/188.238.229.126|188.238.229.126]] ([[User talk:188.238.229.126|talk]]) 15:25, 19 February 2013 (UTC)


Hi, my name is Jorge Luiz Lopes da Silva Junior, my Codename is ChatoEuSou, I insert the Gopher prefix types, i be development in various languages, and create a engine of automaticaly cataloge all pages, subpages, and my engine write in Microsfot Visual Basic 4.o find news prefix gopher type, and i insert in default page of wikipedia about gopher protocol, i no create of nothing, i find, if need, i will go set to your the address here i find this prefix to your see the truth of i say about it, not is a cannonical prefix type of gopher, exactly in insered inf non-cannonical prefix types1 Congratulations!
== More Browser Information Needed ==
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== Dead link on ref 14 ==
I don't think this article explains how to access a gopher server. I think it says some OSs and or some browsers no longer provide the client and or browser user with access to gopher servers.


One of the references, [https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hacking_Capitalism/NnFGAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0&bsq=isbn:9780415955430 "Hacking Capitalism" by Johan Söderberg] links to the internet archive, where the book has been taken down: https://archive.org/details/hackingcapitalis00sder_520 [[User:Drewmca|Drewmca]] ([[User talk:Drewmca|talk]]) 20:32, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
If you wanted to access gopher servers, what did you do? What could you do now?


== Jules edou Samuel ==
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9630 [[Special:Contributions/196.170.122.170|196.170.122.170]] ([[User talk:196.170.122.170|talk]]) 11:25, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
=="{{noredirect|gopher}}"==
The usage of {{la|gopher}} is under discussion, see [[talk:gopher (animal)]] -- [[Special:Contributions/70.50.148.122|70.50.148.122]] ([[User talk:70.50.148.122|talk]]) 05:55, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 11:25, 2 October 2024

LOL

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Jun 05 23:15:11 <dsf777b>	https://gitlab.com/SSS8555/acid - gopher client with page caching
Jun 05 23:15:50 <dsf777b>	https://gitlab.com/SSS8555/save_gopher_server Safe, secure and standalone portable gopher server with G6 extention
Jun 05 23:34:04 <zcrayfish>	What does the G6 do that gopher+ didn't do?
Jun 05 23:34:39 <zcrayfish>	Also are you a fan of THX1138? :)
Jun 05 23:37:32 <dsf777b>	1. requests for line ranges
Jun 05 23:37:32 <dsf777b>	2. CRC32 in requests to prevent sending files in cache
Jun 05 23:37:32 <dsf777b>	3. transfer size and error codes
Jun 05 23:37:32 <dsf777b>	5. user filling forms
Jun 05 23:37:32 <dsf777b>	6. realtime data streaming
Jun 05 23:37:32 <dsf777b>	7. TFTP support
Jun 05 23:38:27 <nm0i>	Looks like features. Features are bad.
Jun 05 23:39:13 <zcrayfish>	5 is a gopher+ feature.... 7 is for uploads?
Jun 05 23:39:20 <dsf777b>	everething optional and backward compatable
Jun 05 23:41:04 <dsf777b>	upload files not yet supported
Jun 05 23:41:30 <zcrayfish>	I don't understand the purpose of TFTP support in that case.
Jun 05 23:41:43 <dsf777b>	also gopher+ dont have any user filling forms
Jun 05 23:42:15 <dsf777b>	TFTP for low end clients and high load servers
Jun 05 23:47:52 <dsf777b>	https://gitlab.com/SSS8555
Jun 05 23:52:52 <zcrayfish>	no cgi support.... but forms support? 
Jun 05 23:53:46 <dsf777b>	it save all posts in configureted directory, a script can check the dir and perform some actions
Jun 05 23:55:09 <dsf777b>	have script to compile site for TFTP server
Jun 05 23:55:41 <dsf777b>	HTML to Gopher converter with links

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Origins subpara: "The standard method of locating someone's email address "

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The subparagraph "By 1992, the standard method of locating someone's e-mail address was to find their organization's CCSO nameserver entry in Gopher, and query the nameserver" has no citation to back up this statement (the cited link is merely to a newsgroup article on the subject). "The standard method" implies that this was widespread across all email users, and that it would be used by most people on the internet. As a user in 1992 I certainly never came across it, and unless I'm mistaken no-one I ever spoke to used this mechanism, and although it may have been "standard method" within a restricted set of users (those organisations that were using gopher already, say) that would definitely require the text receive some qualification. gwinkless (talk) 16:21, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

S6

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Am I the only one who considers the S6 G6 additions to the gophertypes section to be unnotable? They're not in the RFC or the gopher+ or gopherII proposals. As far as I can tell those additions are more or less reinventing many gopher+ features, and are only supported by one client (which is flagged as malware by Windows Defender) and one server... Neither of which are widely in use, and most references I see to them are from, to put it bluntly, spam on wikipedia and IRC. zcrayfish (talk) 13:45, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

More sources

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The following sources might be useful:

  1. Internet Publishing Handbook, Chapter 3: Gopher and Gopher+
  2. The Web may have won, but Gopher tunnels on
  3. Overbite Project brings Gopher protocol to Android

Anton.bersh (talk) 08:27, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Non-WWW software in web clients section.

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Hello all, I have removed ACID, Gophie, and Lagrange from the list of web clients as they do not appear to be web clients at all. I think the article should have a native gopher client section in which these software would fit in. zcrayfish (talk) 03:36, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gopher G6

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Hello IP editor and Zcrayfish, you seem to be involved in a very slow edit war. I invite you to discuss your editorial opinions here. I see that IP editor for references provided only links to some GitLab project, which probably does not meet Wikipedia definition of reliable source. One reference actually just leads to a generic index page and not a specific documents which would support the statements. Since IP editor did not provide a sources, I agree with Zcrayfish until IP editor demonstrates good sources. Anton.bersh (talk) 09:37, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, I welcome input by the 36.37.192.0/20 user. As of the time of this posting (I didn't see your message until after I made my most recent revert) I will refrain from reverting changes from 36.37.192.0/20. I did make a mention of the situation above in the S6[sic, should have been G6] section above. 10:51, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
The sources pretty decent, reverting to Gopher G6 section Edia4545m (talk) 11:50, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Even of the source was decent (which I don't consider it to be great, as it's overly terse), the G6 extension does not seem to be notable, it seems to be supported by less gopher servers and client software than even Gopher+ (1 and 1 respectively at my last count)...
Additionally are there any publicly accessible servers? If this is something that is only accessible to 127.0.0.1 in a single homelab, it really fails to be notable. 12:07, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
https://pastebin.com/9c6L8yhA and many local industrial servers Edia4545m (talk) 12:42, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The source that was added is a personal account on gitlab. It includes a fork of bucktooth (without required license), a simplistic python client that appears hard-coded to pull from a single server and is stuffed with an issue log of spam buzzwords by its own author. That's far from a decent source. Meanwhile this same project leader has been harrassing other gopher channels, such as IRC, and forums (kiwifarms links are banned from wikipedia or I'd include it here) with inflamatory speech. I agree with Zcrayfish that there's no basis that suggests G6 or S6 or whatever he's calling it today has any notable presence. Jamestomasino (talk) 16:01, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Lets fact check:
Edia4545m (talk) 03:08, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Edia4545m I have added ":::" before your itemized list entries to fix indentation. Please use "Show preview" button to preview your comment and make sure it's easy to read. Thanks! Anton.bersh (talk) 07:16, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Bucktooth does not have any sources either, but let's discuss its notability separatelly on Talk:Bucktooth. Anton.bersh (talk) 07:26, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I do not see any sources about G6 or S6 which would meet Wikipedia definition of reliable sources. I do not consider the following sources reliable:
  1. Gopher G6 source code repositary on GitLab and all its contents. This is user-generated and user-submitted content which does not pass through any third-party review. Literally anyone can create free account on GitLab and upload pretty much anything.
  2. Material on Pastebin - not reliable (see above)
  3. Logs from random chats like in "LOL" section
  4. Material simply posted somewhere on the internet which lacks attribution and has not been archived somewhere (not necessarily online) and therefore does not meet Wikipedia definition of "published". It's simple to archive a document on internet via Internet Archive. However, note that being "archived" is a required but not sufficient qualification of a source. That is being "archived" is a prerequisite for a reliable source, not a guarantee that a the source will be considered reliable.
Please let me know of any other sources. Anton.bersh (talk) 09:31, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Here is list of Wiki pages for (You) for check:
Server Developed by Latest version Release date License Written in Notes
Aftershock Rob Linwood 1.0.1 22 April 2004 MIT Java
Apache::GopherHandler Timm Murray 0.1 26 March 2004 GPLv2 or any later version Perl Apache 2 plugin to run Gopher-Server.
Atua Charles Childers 2017.4 9 October 2017 ISC Forth
Bucktooth Cameron Kaiser 0.2.9 1 May 2011 Floodgap Free Software License Perl
Flask-Gopher Michael Lazar 2.2.1 11 April 2020 GPLv3 Python
geomyid Quinn Evans 0.0.1 10 August 2015 2-clause BSD Common Lisp
geomyidae (gopher link) (proxied link) Christoph Lohmann 0.34 13 March 2019 MIT C
GN xripclaw 2.25-20020226 26 February 2002 GPL C
GoFish Sean MacLennan 1.2 8 October 2010 GPLv2 C
Gopher Cannon[dead link‍] Geoff Sevart 1.07 8 July 2013 Freeware .NET 3.5 (Win32/Win64) Version 1.06 of 26 August 2010 is available from gopherspace.de (gopher link) (proxied link)
Gopher-Server Timm Murray 0.1.1 26 March 2004 GPLv2 Perl
Gophernicus Kim Holviala and others 3.1.1 3 January 2021 2-clause BSD C
gophrier Guillaume Duhamel 0.2.3 29 March 2012 GPLv2 C
GOPHSERV[dead link‍] ? 0.5 30 December 2012 GPLv3 FreeBASIC Version 0.4 is available from gopherspace.de (gopher link) (proxied link)
Goscher Aaron W. Hsu 8.0 20 June 2011 ISC Scheme
mgod Mate Nagy 1.1 29 January 2018 GPLv3 C
Motsognir Mateusz Viste 1.0.13 8 January 2021 MIT C
Pituophis dotcomboom 1.1 16 May 2020 2-clause BSD Python Python-based Gopher library with both server and client support
PyGopherd John Goerzen 2.0.18.5 14 February 2017 GPLv2 Python Also supports HTTP, WAP, and Gopher+
PyGS Adam Gurno 0.3.5 7 August 2001 GPLv2 Python Development stopped as of 17 April 2003
Redis Salvatore Sanfilippo 6.2.4 1 June 2021 3-clause BSD C
save_gopher_server SSS8555 0.777 7 July 2020 ? Perl with G6 extension and TFTP
Spacecookie Lukas Epple 1.0.0.0 17 March 2021 GPLv3 Haskell
Xylophar Nathaniel Leveck 0.0.1 15 January 2020 GPLv3 FreeBASIC
Sd777797 (talk) 12:14, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Sd777797, I checked the sources above and could not find a single source mentioning G6 besides SSS8555 account on GitLab. In the above discussion we established that one account posting a piece of code and documentation for it on GitLab does not constitute notability. For a protocol to be notable, there must be at least some reliable commentary about it, e.g., academic or news paper coverage or multiple implementations or any other major reliable coverage.
Also, please read Wikipedia:But there must be sources!. In short, one can not just say "I know there are sources" and expect others to dig through the whole wealth of human knowledge to prove there are no sources. One has to demonstrate these sources to include the info into the article.
Anton.bersh (talk) 22:37, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Since this in-depth discussion did not yield any sources, I removed the unsupported info. If anyone finds good sources, please cite them and add info these sources state. Thanks! Anton.bersh (talk) 10:14, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The sources in the article 36.37.198.115 (talk) 10:22, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hello IP, unfortunatelly I do not see any reliable sources about G6 in the article. Could you actually link them here? Please consider reading Wikipedia:But there must be sources! if you haven't already. Anton.bersh (talk) 22:50, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
36.37.192.0/21 has been partially blocked from editing the page for 1 week; 36.37.192.0/21, during that time, please read the links already provided to you regarding reliable sources. If you can find any, feel free to propose them on this talk page. If you resume edit-warring after that block expires, the next block will be longer.OhNoitsJamie Talk 14:58, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Server list

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Most of those entries should be removed unless either (1) they have a standalone article like PyGopherd (or, possibly a dedicated section in an article about an enclosing project), or (2) a reliable source can be provided that indicates how the server meets general notability criteria. Wikipedia is not a catalog or directory. If there is a good external list of Gopher clients, a link to that could be included in the "External links" section. OhNoitsJamie Talk 17:37, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. I went ahead and removed gn, PyGS, Gopher Cannon, and GOPHSERV as they had either dead links or are unmaintained. More cleanup in that section is needed. zcrayfish (talk) 22:31, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
What about removing those that haven't been updated in the last few years (exact number of years to be decided), except those that appear to be used on existing gopher sites? I had a look at the servers listed on gopher.floodgap.com/1/new and collected information re server from them. (Many provide no such information.)
Gophernicus: 28
  • cobug.org
  • cyber.dabamos.de
  • devio.us
  • dio9sys.fun
  • eyeblea.ch
  • firien.helluin.org
  • first-monitor.ethz.ch
  • gemeinde.zermatt.ch
  • gopher.lottalinuxlinks.com
  • gopher.operationalsecurity.es
  • gopher.spacehippie.ca
  • gopher.talkingcats.com
  • gopher.teacupftp.com
  • gopher.unixwire.com
  • gopher.zcrayfish.soy
  • happymacs.ddns.net
  • invisibleup.com
  • isene.com
  • petermolnar.net
  • phlogosphere.org
  • pogemon.pw
  • shl.huld.re
  • srjskam.iki.fi
  • suika.erkin.party
  • telefisk.org
  • tellus.strangled.net
  • tilde.team
  • xepb.org
PyGopherd: 9
  • fripster.ydns.eu
  • gopher.casperscupboard.com
  • gopher.info-underground.net
  • gopher.johncave.co.nz
  • infinitelyremote.com
  • port70.de
  • raymii.org
  • tomas.dscloud.me
  • ygrex.ru
Motsognir: 4
  • gopher.ratthing.com
  • gopher.unixlore.net
  • gopher.viste.fr
  • i-logout.cz
Bucktooth: 3
  • gopher.386server.info
  • gopher.floodgap.com
  • gopher.nkeck72.xyz
Flask-Gopher: 2
  • nz.xeroxirc.net
  • origin.rxivist.org
Geomyidae: 2
  • kagu-tsuchi.com
  • yasendfile.org
Xylophar: 2
  • 1436.ninja
  • rpod.leveck.us
84.69.182.103 (talk) 12:48, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think you're missing the point; Wikipedia is not a catalog or directory; this isn't about whether they've been updated recently, it's about whether or not they are notable and verifiable with third-party sources. A github link is a primary source that only verifies that it exists. OhNoitsJamie Talk 13:43, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This conversation likewise applies to the new "clients" section that popped up. Jamestomasino (talk) 10:11, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 29 September 2021

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Please unwikilink John Goerzen as the article has been deleted. Thank you. 84.69.151.40 (talk) 21:38, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Done - FlightTime (open channel) 21:41, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unreadable screenshots

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The two screenshots in "Gopher characteristics" are unreadable and no higher-res versions are available. They should be replaced or deleted. Thoughts? AmateurHistorian (talk) 19:59, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, they appear to be low resolution due to fair-use/copyright concerns... I would be more than happy to take a screenshot of a server that I control (or someone else's if they don't mind) and release said screenshot directly into the public domain; unless anyone has any objections zcrayfish (talk) 03:44, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Done I have replaced the two screenshots in the "Gopher characteristics" section with a single screenshot I found on wikimedia commons. File:Firefox_Gopher_Directory_Listing.png is an alternate image available there too. zcrayfish (talk) 07:50, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Removed Kristal screenshot

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I've removed the screenshot of Kristal as I feel it unfairly promotes that client over and above the others listed. Either they all get a screenshot, or none of them do (and I'm saying this as the author of Gopher Browser for Windows). I've left the Firefox one in, as that's a historic client before gopher fully fell out of fashion.

If we want a generic diagram of the structure of a gopher menu, I am happy to draw one for the 'Gopher Characteristics' section? Jaruzel 09:04, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Removed gophertypes `j' and `w'

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I have removed the gophertypes `j' and `w' from the article as the way they were described do not match extant usage. I was unable to find any documentation whatsoever on type j. As for type w, since the early 90s in at least libwww-based gopher browsers and proxy servers, type w is used for for URLs, not for documents.

The non-canonical item types section is getting large and wishful; it would be nice if folks would cite their sources when adding to this section.

zcrayfish (talk) 02:06, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, my name is Jorge Luiz Lopes da Silva Junior, my Codename is ChatoEuSou, I insert the Gopher prefix types, i be development in various languages, and create a engine of automaticaly cataloge all pages, subpages, and my engine write in Microsfot Visual Basic 4.o find news prefix gopher type, and i insert in default page of wikipedia about gopher protocol, i no create of nothing, i find, if need, i will go set to your the address here i find this prefix to your see the truth of i say about it, not is a cannonical prefix type of gopher, exactly in insered inf non-cannonical prefix types1 Congratulations! I writing programs in Microsoft visual Basic 3,4,5,6. Too in JABACO (JAva BAsic COmpiler). RealBasic today part of XoJo, RapidQ Basic Compiler, and Lazarus IDE for FreePascal, GAMBAS (Basic for Linux), and i be creating Server and Client Gopher in this development languages! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2804:D41:B02B:6A00:8E9:C354:1691:8D46 (talk) 11:58, 6 November 2022 (UTC) more information send mail to chateeusou@gmail.com, and sorry per my bad english! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2804:D41:B02B:6A00:8E9:C354:1691:8D46 (talk) 11:54, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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One of the references, "Hacking Capitalism" by Johan Söderberg links to the internet archive, where the book has been taken down: https://archive.org/details/hackingcapitalis00sder_520 Drewmca (talk) 20:32, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jules edou Samuel

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9630 196.170.122.170 (talk) 11:25, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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