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For(N)ever
For(N)ever
Studio album by Hoobastank
Released	January 27, 2009
Studio	Bay 7 (Valley Village); Henson Recording (Los Angeles); Sparky Dark (Calabasas);
Genre	Alternative rock; post-grunge;
Length	38:35
Label	Island
Producer	Howard Benson
Hoobastank chronology
Singles from Fornever
	"My Turn"; Released: October 14, 2008; "So Close, So Far"; Released: January 27, 2009; "The Letter"; Released: June 19, 2009;

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Fornever (stylized as For(N)ever) is the fourth studio album by American rock band Hoobastank, released on January 27, 2009. It is their last album released on Island Records. Upon its release, the album peaked at number 26 on the US Billboard 200.^[1]

Pre-release

In October 2007, Doug Robb posted on the official Hoobastank message boards and said that they had "Set the bar very very high for this next CD," and that they had "More ideas going into this CD than ever before."

On June 2, 2008, Robb posted an update on their temporary website, announcing that the recording process of their album was almost done and to expect a release date within a couple of weeks.^[2]

Critical reception

Professional ratings
Aggregate scores
Source	Rating
Metacritic	(51/100)^[3]
Review scores
Source	Rating
AllMusic	^[4]
Blender	^[5]
Boston Globe	(favorable)^[6]
NOW	^[7]

Fornever garnered mixed reviews from music critics. At Metacritic, which assigns a normalized rating out of 100 to reviews from mainstream critics, it received an average score of 51, based on 4 reviews.^[3]

AllMusic's Stephen Thomas Erlewine commended Hoobastank for moving away from the modern rock mechanics to craft a relationship record with sincerity and empathy for its subject matter, concluding that "Prior to this, they seemed more concerned with airplay than emotion, so it's nice to see their human side slip through even if it isn't particularly pleasant to hear."^[4] Scott McLennan of the Boston Globe was favorable towards the band for sticking to what made them successful in previous efforts, saying "[F]ormulaic though the album may be, the band musters enough craft and personality to keep it afloat. The band is at its best when mixing pop melancholy with strident guitar rock."^[6] Jon Dolan, writing for Blender, criticized the band for attempting to recreate the grunge sound by utilizing their standard musicianship formula ("the sturdy A/B rhyme, the grandly surging chorus, the self-actualized underdog salvo"), concluding that "Album four is especially monochrome gut-check metal, so flourishes of mellow pianos or cargo-shorts funk are as welcome as a bag of Skittles in a pack of combat rations. Even Kurt knew that soldiers need some sweets."^[5] Jordan Bimm of NOW heavily panned the album, saying "[T]heir un-evolved post-grunge alt-rock is just another shitty sonic time capsule from 1998. All 11 tracks feature painfully predictable song structures and lethargic chord progressions devoid of anything resembling a hook."^[7]

Track listing

All tracks are written by Hoobastank except where noted^[1]

No.	Title	Writer(s)	Length
1.	"My Turn"	Hoobastank, Tom Robb	3:09
2.	"I Don't Think I Love You"		3:39
3.	"So Close, So Far"	Hoobastank, Jeff Blue	3:14
4.	"All About You"		2:55
5.	"The Letter" (Duet with Vanessa Amorosi featured in Australian and European versions)		3:54
6.	"Tears of Yesterday"		3:56
7.	"Sick of Hanging On"		3:13
8.	"You're the One"		3:55
9.	"Who the Hell Am I?"		3:59
10.	"You Need to be Here"		3:01
11.	"Gone Gone Gone"		3:36
Total length:			38:31

Japanese and digital reissue bonus tracks^[8]
No.	Title	Length
12.	"Replace You"	4:20
13.	"Stay With Me"	4:07
Total length:		8:27

Personnel

Hoobastank

Doug Robb — vocals, rhythm guitar
Dan Estrin — lead guitar, keyboards
Chris Hesse — drums, percussion

Additional musicians

Vanessa Amorosi — vocals for The Letter (Australian and European versions)
David Campbell — string arrangements for Tears of Yesterday
Howard Benson — keyboards, programming
Paul Bushnell — bass

Production

Stephen Ferrera — A&R
Howard Benson — audio production, producer, programming
Keith Armstrong, Mikey Canzonetta — mixing assistants
Paul DeCarli — digital editing
Chris Lord-Alge — mixing
Mike Plotnikoff — engineer, mixing
Todd Russell — art direction
Leah Smith — stylist
Tom Syrowski, Hatsukazu "Hatch" Inagaki — assistant engineers, audio engineers
Marc VanGool — guitar technician

Charts

Chart (2009)	Peak position
Australian Albums (ARIA)^[9]	88
Japanese Albums (Oricon)^[10]	6
US Billboard 200^[1]	26

Release history

Region	Date	Catalog #
United States	January 27, 2009	1239902
Japan	January 28, 2009	CD:UICL-1081 CD+DVD:UICL-9070
Australia	June 26, 2009	2708708
France	March 3, 2009

References

^ ^a ^b ^c Billboard.com - Discography - Hoobastank - For(n)ever
^ "Studio Update: June 2, 2008 hoobastank.com". Archived from the original on April 15, 2012.
^ ^a ^b "For(n)ever by Hoobastank". Metacritic. CBS Interactive. Retrieved September 10, 2012.
^ ^a ^b Erlewine, Stephen Thomas. Fornever at AllMusic. Retrieved July 4, 2011.
^ ^a ^b Dolan, Jon (January 27, 2009). "Hoobastank: For(N)ever". Blender. Alpha Media Group. Archived from the original on April 3, 2009. Retrieved July 4, 2011.
^ ^a ^b McLennan, Scott (January 26, 2009). "Hoobastank Rocks Steady - Album review". Boston Globe. Boston.com. Retrieved July 4, 2011.
^ ^a ^b Bimm, Jordan (February 4–11, 2009). "Disc review Hoobastank For(N)ever". NOW. Vol. 28, no. 23. Retrieved July 4, 2011.
^ "Hoobastank on Universal Music Japan". Universal Music Japan. Retrieved 2012-07-16.
^ "Chartifacts - Week Commencing 6 July 2009". Australian Recording Industry Association. Aria.com.au. July 6, 2009. Archived from the original on 2010-11-19.
^ "Hoobastank Ranking Information" (in Japanese). Oricon. Retrieved February 22, 2023.

External links

Fornever at Metacritic

[billboard-1] Billboard.com - Discography - Hoobastank - For(n)ever

[2] "Studio Update: June 2, 2008 hoobastank.com". Archived from the original on April 15, 2012.

[MC-3] "For(n)ever by Hoobastank". Metacritic. CBS Interactive. Retrieved September 10, 2012.

[AM-4] Erlewine, Stephen Thomas. Fornever at AllMusic. Retrieved July 4, 2011.

[Blender-5] Dolan, Jon (January 27, 2009). "Hoobastank: For(N)ever". Blender. Alpha Media Group. Archived from the original on April 3, 2009. Retrieved July 4, 2011.

[Boston-6] McLennan, Scott (January 26, 2009). "Hoobastank Rocks Steady - Album review". Boston Globe. Boston.com. Retrieved July 4, 2011.

[NOW-7] Bimm, Jordan (February 4–11, 2009). "Disc review Hoobastank For(N)ever". NOW. Vol. 28, no. 23. Retrieved July 4, 2011.

[8] "Hoobastank on Universal Music Japan". Universal Music Japan. Retrieved 2012-07-16.

[ARIA_chart_peak-9] "Chartifacts - Week Commencing 6 July 2009". Australian Recording Industry Association. Aria.com.au. July 6, 2009. Archived from the original on 2010-11-19.

[10] "Hoobastank Ranking Information" (in Japanese). Oricon. Retrieved February 22, 2023.

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 [[AllMusic]]'s [[Stephen Thomas Erlewine]] commended Hoobastank for moving away from the modern rock mechanics to craft a relationship record with sincerity and empathy for its subject matter, concluding that "Prior to this, they seemed more concerned with airplay than emotion, so it's nice to see their human side slip through even if it isn't particularly pleasant to hear."<ref name="AM"/> Scott McLennan of the ''[[Boston Globe]]'' was favorable towards the band for sticking to what made them successful in previous efforts, saying "[F]ormulaic though the album may be, the band musters enough craft and personality to keep it afloat. The band is at its best when mixing pop melancholy with strident guitar rock."<ref name="Boston"/> Jon Dolan, writing for ''[[Blender (magazine)|Blender]]'', criticized the band for attempting to recreate the grunge sound by utilizing their standard musicianship formula ("the sturdy A/B rhyme, the grandly surging chorus, the self-actualized underdog salvo"), concluding that "Album four is especially monochrome gut-check metal, so flourishes of mellow pianos or cargo-shorts funk are as welcome as a bag of [[Skittles (confectionery)|Skittles]] in a pack of combat rations. Even [[Kurt Cobain|Kurt]] knew that soldiers need some sweets."<ref name="Blender"/> Jordan Bimm of ''[[Now (newspaper)|NOW]]'' heavily panned the album, saying "[T]heir un-evolved post-grunge alt-rock is just another shitty sonic time capsule from 1998. All 11 tracks feature painfully predictable song structures and lethargic chord progressions devoid of anything resembling a hook."<ref name="NOW"/>
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v t e Hoobastank
Doug Robb Dan Estrin Chris Hesse Jesse Charland Jeremy Wasser Derek Kwan Markku Lappaleinen Matt McKenzie Josh Moreau David Amezcua
Studio albums	Hoobastank The Reason Every Man for Himself For(n)ever Fight or Flight Push Pull
Singles	"Crawling in the Dark" "Running Away" "Remember Me" "Out of Control" "The Reason" "Same Direction" "Disappear" "If I Were You" "Inside of You" "Born to Lead" "My Turn" "So Close, So Far" "The Letter" "This Is Gonna Hurt" "Can You Save Me?" "Incomplete"
Related articles	Discography