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Starting year

Currently the article lists the starting year of the century as 2000, right next to a comment stating that the starting year is 2001. Either the comment should be removed or the article should be changed to reflect the comment. Thoughts on which one? Thattransgirl (talk) 12:57, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Thattransgirl, I have found some lengthy discussions about this on talk pages in the past, e.g. at Talk:20th_century/Archive_3#Dates. However the manual of style gives a simple answer:

Treat the 1st century AD as years 1–100, the 17th century as 1601–1700, and the second millennium as 1001–2000; similarly, the 1st century BC/BCE was 100–1 BC/BCE, the 17th century BC/BCE was 1700–1601 BC/BCE, and the second millennium 2000–1001 BC/BCE.

Thanks to Gap9551 - who reverted the IP-edit - the article follows the MOS again. If thinking about changing from 2001 to 2000, then I'd think would be best to start a discussion on the MOS talk page because dozens if not hundreds of articles would be affected. – NJD-DE (talk) 15:05, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A related issue which I have noticed in some century articles and century timeline articles is that the lists of events by year are grouped into 0-to-9 decades which, of course, do not fit neatly into 01-to-00 centuries, and consequently in some cases the wrong -00 year is included and the correct one is not included. Has this been discussed previously? --Blurryman (talk) 22:54, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I would just change the headers from (for example) "20th century" to "1900s". --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 16:48, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I could agree with you too. ArtForDecades610 (talk) 22:26, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mass Surveillance

I think one of the defining developments in the 21st century is the rise of mass surveillance. There were the global surveillance revelations by Edward Snowden, and now there is the NSO Group's Pegasus scandal. Someone's ought to add this information to the article. (And if you do, thank you!) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.64.76.29 (talk) 03:03, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Governmental surveillance has a long history, but the ease of modern surveillance is a significant byproduct of the information age. I'm not sure Snowden deserves a mention here, but a section on the expansion of surveillance should mention the Five Eyes to give appropriate context. Biasedeyes (talk) 07:10, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why are there no colons?

Just wondering why there are no colons for each year, listing the events? 134.204.224.36 (talk) 14:04, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

we need to change the structural format of this entry's section for history

why are events delineated by date in this article? I would like to change the history section for this entry into a narrative-based format. after all, this enry does cover the entire 21st century. Sm8900 (talk) 18:34, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

An old request but I whole-heartedly agree. The events section as it stands should not be a timeline (already covered in Timeline of the 21st century and respective years article such as 2022) but rather a general overview of trends and major events. The same could be said about many of the other sections as well but this is the most egregious in both substance and length. Editors should take inspiration on deciding what is notable enough for inclusion from the 20th century article. Yeoutie (talk) 09:34, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe when we get into 2040 or 2050, we would have too many events here and people from the future would look back onto the general trends and the events of our early 21st century, maybe... Just a random Wikipedian^(talk) 15:49, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, I agree. The current format is too lengthy to have a full read, and also, it is very inconsistent with the information given. A narrative based format would be a lot better EarthDude (talk) 15:57, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Inclusion of events

There has been a lot of additions of somewhat internationally obscure events in this page by IPs, so there should be some inclusion criteria here. TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 21:54, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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 :::I would just change the headers from (for example) "20th century" to "1900s". --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 16:48, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 :I could agree with you too. [[User:ArtForDecades610|ArtForDecades610]] ([[User talk:ArtForDecades610|talk]]) 22:26, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
-::the epoch is offset by a transposition. that is why its not understood. 52 weeks x 7 days =364+1 rest=365 enoch. or +2=366 leap year then....364x3=1029x2-34=2024?  numerically incorrect. 364x3=1092x2-34=2150. Geza Vermes's book DEAD SEA SCROLLS PAGE 364-365. Geza put it on that page was interesting. he was a top roman scholar sent east for his work knowledge. (however he is the only person in public besides me to air this) we all mention 21st century now we know it. [[Special:Contributions/24.45.164.140|24.45.164.140]] ([[User talk:24.45.164.140|talk]]) 02:37, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
 == Mass Surveillance ==
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 :Governmental surveillance has a long history, but the ease of modern surveillance is a significant byproduct of the information age. I'm not sure Snowden deserves a mention here, but a section on the expansion of surveillance should mention [[Five_Eyes|the Five Eyes]] to give appropriate context. [[User:Biasedeyes|Biasedeyes]] ([[User talk:Biasedeyes|talk]]) 07:10, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
-::364x3=1029x2-34=2024 and the intel officers from massada 2150 years ago. dont forget us. who are five eyes? romans? [[Special:Contributions/24.45.164.140|24.45.164.140]] ([[User talk:24.45.164.140|talk]]) 02:25, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
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 :An old request but I whole-heartedly agree. The events section as it stands should not be a timeline (already covered in [[Timeline of the 21st century]] and respective years article such as [[2022]]) but rather a general overview of trends and major events. The same could be said about many of the other sections as well but this is the most egregious in both substance and length. Editors should take inspiration on deciding what is notable enough for inclusion from the [[20th century]] article. [[User:Yeoutie|Yeoutie]] ([[User talk:Yeoutie|talk]]) 09:34, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 ::Maybe when we get into 2040 or 2050, we would have too many events here and people from the future would look back onto the general trends and the events of our early 21st century, maybe... <span style="background-color:#50D246;font-family:cambria">[[User:JrandWP|''Just a random Wikipedian'']]</span><sup>([[User talk:JrandWP|talk]])</sup> 15:49, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
+::Yep, I agree. The current format is too lengthy to have a full read, and also, it is very inconsistent with the information given. A narrative based format would be a lot better [[User:EarthDude|EarthDude]] ([[User talk:EarthDude|talk]]) 15:57, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
-:::364x3=1029x2-34=2023?
-:::364x3=1092x2-34=2150!
-:::26/1  52/2 x 7 =364+1=365
-:::26/1  52/2 x 7 =364=2=366
-:::12 am X 12 pm=144
-:::computus quatro decima
-:::4Q319  to 4Q321 is where one should need to look. The language expressed online will not allow one to understand certain matters. Thus the main issue of obscurity is not longer upon us.
-:::Someone mentioned 2050.  Noaa says "no arctic more ice in 2058" and UNIX 2038 y2k  as follows 364x3=1029x2-00=2058 . one must deduct 5 solar gregorian leaps or 5x4=20 years from 2058-20=2038 unix y2k.
-:::If preexisting parties are still in existence, we would know when "anno domini started"
-:::Per say, if one were to write a wrong date on a federal transaction, how would a legal branch respond is also a question. "who gave permission for the translator to switch a date to dodge tax for using measurements and law that are actually not at all theirs whilst attempting to suppress the originator/s." (and got caught in public here and now)
-:::None of this commentary is speculative. a deletion will be recognized as occidental censorship of its potential illegal nature by a preexisting entity that still is in operation and has not paused activity for 2150 years and before that.
-:::The suppression of math is a obscuring of a legal case. chamber of commerce shifts currency with a math error AND UN uses the same tampered timeline.
-:::What year is it? Is the best question to anyone who doesn't need a translator to read this in English.
-:::This math is a Family Rite. Understand it.  [[Special:Contributions/24.45.164.140|24.45.164.140]] ([[User talk:24.45.164.140|talk]]) 11:41, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
-:::NIST and JILA have work according to that math up here. 2038 y2k! [[Special:Contributions/24.45.164.140|24.45.164.140]] ([[User talk:24.45.164.140|talk]]) 03:59, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
-::::Further more , from the offset epoch of 2024 ie 364x3=1029x2-34=2024 When the count down known here as -34 solar outlined year value approaches the 00 epoch ie 364x3=1029x2-00=2058. one can deduct 5 solar leap years or 5x4=20 and subtract 20 years from 2058-2038. one can clearly now observe the 2038 unix bug. Also to add without speculation this was known prior to Anno Domini. The mathematics reveal an axal tilt. As one can clearly see from numerical expression the date corrected is before 2024....364x3=1092x2-34=2150. the FACT that the minus 34 does not move nor does the epoch offset change the axis position. also to be very clear, legal authorities already know this is being used as a case now into the future. one can suggest all things are observed. smile :) [[Special:Contributions/24.45.164.140|24.45.164.140]] ([[User talk:24.45.164.140|talk]]) 01:04, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
-:::::2024 without speculation is technically an "assailant  at large" 364x3=1029x2-34=2024. for human trafficing, genocide and pollution as well as an illegal calendar. 52 weeks x 7 days =364+1 day=365 or +2 days of rest=366 if its YOUR leap year. so the septuigent got loose with a translation and wiped out tribes with it and they stole copies or the dating would be correct and used the sciences they took to do their crimes.  hey a better statment, what year is cut in stone in the graveyard?  364x3=1029x2-34=2024  the dead arent even honored. how many times do you see that cut in stone, 2024. wow. then the bas relief of a very important sage on the house of representatives. any man from the levant KNOWS cestius gallus tomb is on your currncy. to touch the roman money is insane AND ILLEGAL! [[Special:Contributions/24.45.164.140|24.45.164.140]] ([[User talk:24.45.164.140|talk]]) 01:14, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
-:I fully support this. I feel like at some point, the date-based event format will just become too large to even try and read it in its entirety. Also, I feel like it has quite a bit of irrelevant information, and also doesn't include a lot of important stuff [[User:EarthDude|EarthDude]] ([[User talk:EarthDude|talk]]) 10:24, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
-::364 is the solar outline from Qumran scroll 4q319 to 4Q321.  the "times 3" is the triennial cycle. as archaic institutions still maintain this reading.  The + 2 on the days of year is from a roman syrian astronomer. also, the 364x3=1092 is a leap year calculation also. The translator is attempting to obscure his narrative. 12 am x 12 pm 144 is the solar crypt of revelation of the solar clock. (144000) ie  SUN (not son)  [[Special:Contributions/24.45.164.140|24.45.164.140]] ([[User talk:24.45.164.140|talk]]) 03:54, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
-:::Bro what are you talking about????? [[User:EarthDude|EarthDude]] ([[User talk:EarthDude|talk]]) 10:21, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
-::::real history with sources and explanation. so you want it piece by piece slower? ill try to not publicly accuse 2024 of crime but it is in fact a reality. i dont see UN crying to give stolen land back. and a world war is only between different color of people. i say that because east and west europe can fight over the world span and they dont call it a world war. as soon as europeans get in a clash with semites or asians or africans....its called world war. why?  racism? why did europe move off its base land to drop back to concqure and unarmed tribe across the planet with a bad timeline? so i aired a biblical sourced historical fact. the translation is not europes originally but yet europe trys and fails miserably to raid the mideast. fails because we have better sciences. tries to rule where it  isnt from. unlike us. the translation is only so men understand common civil law. a fact that it is now understood when a artisan cuts into stone an epitaph in genral the dating is off 52 weeks x 7 days=364+1 day of rest=365 enoch or days of year and they error 364x3=1029x2-34=2024.    to get the 2038 y2k   364x3=1029x2-00=2058 to subtract 5 solar leap years(4) 5x4=20 from 2058-20=2038 uniux y2k. also the axil tilt that was measured in this math predates AD and was formulated then. the -34 is fixed even if you fix the flopped year. the UTC may be affected the ISO8601 is also effected. also sir, when you write the wrong date on a fedral transaction it is illegal. what is here is absolute burden of proof. hey buddy, if you moved back a few thousand years in established calendar to deal with a tribe that doesnt like you, you would be some type of way bro. look, i eat hot dogs and rock out to keep up, but i do NOT stir the nations. however back home we reserve the rite to maintain our own laws, but i follow yours here.  would you allow racist who didnt like you to use a translation of yours with a foul clock? thats what the bible is sir. thats what is adressed here. perhaps not all of you are racists but till now you all thought it was 2024 but now seen this 364x3=1029x2-34=2024?  364x3=1092x2-34=2150 year ago second temple fell. thats where you get the missig century from not the gregorian calendar day lag. thats another thing i needed to clear up. also, the only way you can learn it, is latin, and aramaic. from being of aramaic stock, we knew about it and passed it since. however if it was unknown, then chances are who is unknowning is linked to the offender but bosses do lie to their employees. did you know or not know this numerical fact prior to seeing it? it should not offend you and nothing said is slanted. it is going on currently and is no secret. like the wars, the racism, ect. i declare to be no part of the fighting currently, nor am i trying to vandalize or upset anyone. in fact im the one getting stepped on and per say, 2024 could share status of a rodef in the next 20 years. im trying to help you guys. if you are 2024. send a cleric to the city and admit the err. use an aramaic speaker to do it. he will be able to read it. thank you. and good luck. we are waiting for your priest to fix your err and admit the err in the city in whih AD's prophet was born. come and fix the calendar. denial of burden of proof would forward legal judgment in the levant toward the translator for the err. in reply to racism and tyranical imperialism of rome we may choose to air rome as illegal and we already begun sending iran packing. the occident can tell a sumerian from a jew from a babylonian AND it also doesnt know its year. im born in the occident. im among them not off them and bro, without mention of this the westerner turns to me and has a racist rants. every time that happens, i post a truth about roman jewish wars to gentiles to see how they like a fact instead of opinion. but i am an informant who actually gives my gov bad men. what i like is the people i had arrested dont like mideast and they do illegal stuff. lol. so on the 21st century page all i seen was wars and coorperate business launches but i never see other truth per say. like the correct year and real reason compainies and govrments do things they do. lets be honest here. im no rebel but im no slave. that math is a family rite we can judge it legally. price harry has status and i gt jealous. his grandmother is on canadian coin. they let him in after july 4th?  british, july 4th. why does the west not speak latin and french to defy england? or are they still working with em... according to massada, yes they are still working together. now they have the tribes speaking the english hahahaha [[Special:Contributions/24.45.164.140|24.45.164.140]] ([[User talk:24.45.164.140|talk]]) 15:46, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
 == Inclusion of events ==
 There has been a lot of additions of somewhat internationally obscure events in this page by IPs, so there should be some inclusion criteria here. [[User:TagaSanPedroAko|TagaSanPedroAko]] ([[User talk:TagaSanPedroAko|talk]]) 21:54, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
-:364x3=1029x2-34=2024?
-:364x3=1092x2-34=2150!
-:26/1 52/2 x 7 =364+1=365
-:26/1 52/2 x 7 =364=2=366
-:12 am X 12 pm=144
-:computus quatro decima
-:please fix this before next january. (get your priests to come to where it started and present this evidence) [[Special:Contributions/24.45.164.140|24.45.164.140]] ([[User talk:24.45.164.140|talk]]) 01:16, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
-::1092 and 1029?   92-29=63/9=7   1A 2B 3C 4D 5E 6F 7G
-::one cannot be more exact with the facts. this is also NOT speculative. [[Special:Contributions/24.45.164.140|24.45.164.140]] ([[User talk:24.45.164.140|talk]]) 01:19, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
-== 21 century  ==
-Example and meaning  [[Special:Contributions/112.202.247.215|112.202.247.215]] ([[User talk:112.202.247.215|talk]]) 14:45, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
-:364x3=1029x2-34=2024?
-:364x3=1092x2-34=2150!
-:26/1 52/2 x 7 =364+1=365
-:26/1 52/2 x 7 =364=2=366
-:12 am X 12 pm=144
-:by example, things with errors have no meaning by definition legally. [[Special:Contributions/24.45.164.140|24.45.164.140]] ([[User talk:24.45.164.140|talk]]) 01:20, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
-::your prophet was born 2150 years ago.if you are Christian.  literally. he was a student. understand everything starts somewhere. this is not a challenge of faith or belief. it supports religion. it also points out the schism of the church. literally. the judges from the second temple, as well as the library keepers and a few army members of massada were no killed so the lie that we were is cited to show you that we exist. im living proof. yeshu ben pendera and his following started 364x3=1092x2-34=2150 years ago. not 364x3=1029x2-34=2024 years ago. 52 weeks x 7 days god made it=364+1 day of rest=365 enoch.   12 am X  12 pm=144(000)  number of solar calendar crypt of revalation. Sun not Son. i cant understand how the inherited lot paves over its predecessors, oh yeah i know....they burned the temple stole things and ran. they didnt get all the scrolls. as you can see here.....this math dates the wars between us and rome. im not a persian or a sumerian but sumerians helped us with rome. [[Special:Contributions/24.45.164.140|24.45.164.140]] ([[User talk:24.45.164.140|talk]]) 01:28, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
-:::this is how your 21st century started, the part you DONT post for some reason. sooner or later, the currnt world status, judgment is under way. if "g-d had an irs agent, it looks like this"  52 weeks x 7 days god made it=364+1 day of rest=365 enoch. 364x3=1029x2-34=2024 math error proof!  and 364x3=1092x2-34=2150! the missing century you so mention but wont post. wow. the occident is trying to obscure its biblical translators thievery. deletion is recognised as purgery of evidence. 2024 has been cited unofficially and yet to be offical. the more the occident lies, where AD started can say what it wants about its student who was a rebel and his friends and be very correct and honest about it. unlike on this side of the Mediterranean. [[Special:Contributions/24.45.164.140|24.45.164.140]] ([[User talk:24.45.164.140|talk]]) 02:19, 1 September 2024 (UTC)