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The island is not set in 2019. one character makes reference to the 'genetics laws of 2050'.([[User:67.189.233.146|67.189.233.146]] 18:31, 14 May 2007 (UTC))
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I think the book and movie "The Running Man" are set in 2019, although I have no source it should say it on IMDb.--[[User:Dominik92|Dominik92]] 00:14, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
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Pretty sure the movie is set in 2017, but not sure about the book. Movie came out in 1987, so they just set it 30 years in the future. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/67.149.110.131|67.149.110.131]] ([[User talk:67.149.110.131|talk]]) 03:56, 27 February 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==Near-Earth objects==
"Although there have been a few false alarms, a number of objects have been known to be threats to the Earth. (89959) 2002 NT7 was the first asteroid with a positive rating on the Palermo Technical Impact Hazard Scale, with approximately one in a million on a potential impact date of February 1, 2019."
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== Metal Gear Acid 2 ==

Sorry, edit comment was cut short. There is no source given for MGA2 being set in 2019. The only time reference given in the game is that Snake appeared in the Serena Republic three years prior to the main event in the story, which was not the events of the first game (2016). The article therefore assumed that no time had passed in between the original Snake's body being recovered on Lobito Island (after end of first game), Snake's clone being created, the clone's participation in the Praulia Massacre, the clone's loss of memory, and THEN the clone being discovered in the Serena Republic, three years before the second game. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/87.112.3.127|87.112.3.127]] ([[User talk:87.112.3.127|talk]]) 20:22, 12 October 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


== Is this right? ==
== Is this right? ==
The article is saying that 1923 media will enter the public domain in 2019, contradicting the fact that it must be at least '''95 years old''' to be in the public domain. It implies that the actual number of years is '''96''', not 95. What am I confusing?? [[User:Georgia guy|Georgia guy]] ([[User talk:Georgia guy|talk]]) 00:51, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
The article is saying that 1923 media will enter the public domain in 2019, contradicting the fact that it must be at least '''95 years old''' to be in the public domain. It implies that the actual number of years is '''96''', not 95. What am I confusing?? [[User:Georgia guy|Georgia guy]] ([[User talk:Georgia guy|talk]]) 00:51, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
:{{ping|Georgia guy}} this is very late, but see [[Public Domain Day]]. In short, once something has been published for 95 years, it enters the PD at the end of that calendar year.<span id="HouseBlaster:1708222390188:TalkFTTCLN2019" class="FTTCmt"> <b style="font-family:Courier New;">[[User:HouseBlaster|House]][[Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster|<span style="color:#7D066B;">Blaster</span>]]</b>&nbsp;([[User talk:HouseBlaster|talk]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;he/him) 02:13, 18 February 2024 (UTC)</span>


== 2019 being described as a best year in human history. ==
==Blade Runner==


For a reason, most of the news media outlets describe 2019 as a "best year in human history." But there are other good years described and nominated by other media outlets such as 2015, 1994, 2007, and especially 1980. Can anyone please explain why those editors add it as the best year in history in one article, while adding the year 2020 as the worst for anyone to be alive. I think that there is a need for a consensus to be established. Give me examples. [[Special:Contributions/204.129.232.191|204.129.232.191]] ([[User talk:204.129.232.191|talk]]) 16:44, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
The film, Blade Runner (1982) takes place in the year 2019 in Los Angeles. [[User:L. Thomas W.|L. Thomas W.]] ([[User talk:L. Thomas W.|talk]]) 01:25, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
:(A limited) consensus is that fictional settings are not welcome. I disagree, but that's the way it is. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 06:06, 11 February 2017 (UTC)


:I would support its removal here and anywhere else it appears. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 17:23, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
== Child of Prince Harry and Meghan ==
::@[[User:Deb|Deb]] But why would you support its removal even though it can be added in other years with very reliable sources? Explain? [[Special:Contributions/204.129.232.191|204.129.232.191]] ([[User talk:204.129.232.191|talk]]) 18:00, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
:::To me, it's still someone's opinion, and newspapers aren't qualified to judge on a completely subjective issue like this. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 18:13, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
:Because 2019 is the last year before the pandemic hit. Many people feel nostalgic about it now.[[Special:Contributions/213.230.87.65|213.230.87.65]] ([[User talk:213.230.87.65|talk]]) 02:08, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
::'Most' of the news media outlets? Can you name even one? [[User:Bkatcher|Bkatcher]] ([[User talk:Bkatcher|talk]]) 03:17, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
::You know that this type of statement still remains on this article as of 2024, and newspapers are still regarded as reliable sources no matter what. -“[[User:Userbase3913|<span style="color: teal;">Userbase3913</span>]]” ([[User talk:Userbase3913|talk]]) 01:37, 4 February 2024 (UTC)


== Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2023 ==
Various entries like:

* The child of [[Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex]] and [[Meghan, Duchess of Sussex]] will be born.

Have been added. I didn't revert the last time, but am now doing so, because it would not be a notable event if the child is not born live. Seems more speculative than construction project completion years. But, if consensus is against me, I will let it sit. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 00:34, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

== New years count down ==

Can someone tell why every year users use wikipedia as a new years count down? Thats not what this is for.--[[Special:Contributions/75.66.124.118|75.66.124.118]] ([[User talk:75.66.124.118|talk]]) 15:13, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

:We have tried to stop it in previous years but you end up with an loads of editors wanting to add that it is now 20XX in my village so it needs to be added. We could lock the page but that seems unreasonable - just better to ignore it for a day. [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 15:18, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 10 January 2019 ==


{{edit semi-protected|2019|answered=yes}}
{{edit semi-protected|2019|answered=yes}}
Would you please add this event?
Please make '''three changes''':


* [[August 18]] – "Miloš the Great" Highway, a section of Corridor XI (or [[A2 motorway (Serbia)|A2 motorway]]; part of the [[European route E761|E761]] and [[European route E763|E763]] European routes) from [[Obrenovac]] to [[Preljina]], is opened.<ref>{{Cite web|last=Milutinović|first=A.|title=SVE O NOVOM AUTOPUTU "MILOŠ VELIKI" KOJI SE OTVARA DANAS Kolike su putarine i ograničenja, kada će biti pumpi i 4 MAPE UKLJUČENJA|url=https://www.blic.rs/vesti/drustvo/sve-o-novom-autoputu-milos-veliki-koji-se-otvara-danas-kolike-su-putarine-i/klsr6r3|access-date=2022-11-27|website=Blic.rs|language=sr}}</ref>
*"The Orthodox Church of Ukraine makes its schism of the Russian Orthodox Church formal": ironically, this isn't very formal. Could it be changed to "The Orthodox Church of Ukraine formalizes its schism with the Russian Orthodox Church"?
*"[[2019 Indian general election]]": could this be changed to "[[India]] will hold a [[2019 Indian general election|general election]]"?
*"[[2019 Philippine general election]]": could this be changed to "The [[Philippines]] will hold a [[2019 Philippine general election|general election]]"?


I copied the general election format from what was said about Indonesia and Nigeria. [[Special:Contributions/208.95.51.53|208.95.51.53]] ([[User talk:208.95.51.53|talk]]) 14:33, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
This one comes with a source cited. — [[Special:Contributions/2600:1010:B1A7:5CE1:F888:A176:26F6:1B94|2600:1010:B1A7:5CE1:F888:A176:26F6:1B94]] ([[User talk:2600:1010:B1A7:5CE1:F888:A176:26F6:1B94|talk]]) 16:57, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
:{{done}} Thanks! -- [[User:Irn|irn]] ([[User talk:Irn|talk]]) 19:19, 12 January 2019 (UTC)


*It does not sound like it's of great international significance. I'm pleased to see you've already added it to [[2019 in Serbia]] but I'd suggest there's no justification for putting it here as well, with identical wording. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 19:57, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
== Inclusion criteria ==
We seem to be having the addition a few deaths that dont appear to be internationally known particular from the United States. I have removed some individuals but I suspect some others are also iffy, just a sanity check that we should only list individuals that have some international exposure. [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 17:51, 12 January 2019 (UTC)


: marking answered, not done per above. [[User:GiovanniSidwell|GiovanniSidwell]] ([[User talk:GiovanniSidwell|talk]]) 22:56, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
Don't mean to be rude, but I wish you would just stop undoing the work other user's are doing. If it bother's you speak to that person on there talk page about it! [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 20:38, 13 January 2019 (UTC)


:Normally we would raise it on this page first so others can be involved. [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 20:46, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

== Deaths that should be on here==
We have been having this issue lately with who should be listed on here! Names including, George Welsh, Lester Wunderman, J.D. Gibbs, Shirley Boone, Bob Kuechenberg, Batton Lash, Patricia Wald, Willie Murphy. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 20:42, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

:Are any of these known outside of the United States ? [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 20:45, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

I'm sure they are! Why does it Matter? [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 20:55, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

:Unless they have some international recognition they should be on the [[2019 in the United States]] page not here. [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 21:18, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Most of the deaths listed are national, worldwide, or international. Not just in the United States. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 22:26, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

:I'm an American and don't recognize any of those names. We need to strive for more diversity. [[User:Michael E Nolan|Michael E Nolan]] ([[User talk:Michael E Nolan|talk]]) 18:40, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Cameron Boyce is missing, his death on July 6th 2019 was a pretty big deal. [[User:ReddyToosevelt|ReddyToosevelt]] ([[User talk:ReddyToosevelt|talk]]) 01:44, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
:See discussions on this subject is several other places on this Talk page. We try to limit the births and deaths sections to people of international significance. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 08:33, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

==Notable articles==

Note: Feel free to any articles that might be useful

Articles:
I found at least 30 notable articles. Maybe this will help:

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<ref>https://www.express.co.uk/celebrity-news/1067468/Celebrity-deaths-2019-full-list-famous-people-celebrities-stars-deaths-this-year</ref>
<ref>https://wtop.com/media-galleries/2019/01/photos-2019-celebrity-deaths/slide/1/</ref>
<ref>http://www.wistv.com/gallery/2019/01/12/notable-deaths/</ref>
<ref>https://www.wral.com/notable-deaths-in-2019/18106197/</ref>
<ref>https://www.boston25news.com/news/trending-now/photos-notable-deaths-2019/897928195</ref>
<ref>https://newsone.com/playlist/notable-deaths-2019-tuskegee-airman-john-lyle-dies-at-98/item/1</ref>
<ref>http://www.legacy.com/news/celebrity-deaths/article/two-top-corporate-leaders-died-in-the-first-week-of-2019</ref>
<ref>https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/batton-lash-famed-comic-book-writer-and-creator-of-supernatural-law-dead-at-65</ref>
<ref>https://www.cbr.com/batton-lash-supernatural-law-obituary/</ref>
<ref>http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/25683740/former-long-virginia-cavaliers-coach-george-welsh-dies-85</ref>
<ref>https://news.virginia.edu/content/george-welsh-legend-remembered</ref>
<ref>https://www.roanoke.com/sports/commentary-george-welsh-was-a-hall-of-fame-coach-and/article_f393f1a7-211c-55a1-9707-22ad6e2ed697.html</ref>
<ref>https://www.whsv.com/video?vid=503906562</ref>
<ref>https://www.capitalgazette.com/sports/navy_sports/ac-cs-rick-forzano-death-20190111-story.html</ref>
<ref>https://www.miamidolphins.com/news/former-dolphins-players-coaches-on-the-passing-of-bob-kuechenberg</ref>
<ref>https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/dolphins/2019/01/13/nfl-miami-dolphins-announce-death-bob-kuechenberg-age-71/2563809002/></ref>
<ref>https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-sp-bob-kuechenberg-dies-20190113-story.html</ref>
<ref>https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-sp-hyde-kuechenberg-20190113-story.html</ref>
<ref>https://www.nascar.com/video/franchise/all-videos/remembering-jd-gibbs-1969-2019</ref>
<ref>https://wjla.com/sports/washington-redskins/jd-gibbs-son-joe-gibbs-dies-49</ref>
<ref>https://nascar.nbcsports.com/2019/01/12/1989-nascar-cup-car-found-in-ireland-still-runs-strong-on-original-tires-and-motor/</ref>
<ref>https://www.foxnews.com/auto/j-d-gibbs-co-founder-of-nascars-joe-gibbs-racing-dies-at-49</ref>
<ref>http://www.espn.com/racing/nascar/story/_/id/25740340/jd-gibbs-co-founder-joe-gibbs-racing-dies-49</ref>
<ref>https://www.nascar.com/news-media/2019/01/11/jd-gibbs-joe-gibbs-racing-co-founder-obituary</ref>
<ref>https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/01/nascar-world-mourns-death-of-joe-gibbs-son-and-co-founder-of-racing-team</ref>
<ref>https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/shirley-boone-philanthropist-wife-pat-boone-dies-n958166</ref>
<ref>https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/singer-pat-boones-wife-shirley-dead-report</ref>
<ref>https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/8493261/shirley-boone-wife-of-pat-boone-and-philanthropist-dies-at-84</ref>
<ref>https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/music/2019/01/12/shirley-boone-wife-pat-boone-and-philanthropist-dies/2562797002/</ref>
<ref>https://www.latimes.com/local/obituaries/la-me-shirley-boone-20190113-story.html</ref>
<ref>https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/patricia-wald-pathbreaking-federal-judge-who-became-chief-of-dc-circuit-dies-at-90/2019/01/12/6ab03904-1688-11e9-803c-4ef28312c8b9_story.html?utm_term=.70c090cb9adb</ref>
<ref>https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/12/obituaries/patricia-wald-dead.html</ref>
<ref>http://www.startribune.com/heart-and-soul-of-minneapolis-music-scene-willie-murphy-dies-at-75/504291622/</ref>
<ref>https://www.mprnews.org/story/2019/01/13/twin-cities-music-legend-willie-murphy-dies</ref>
<ref>https://www.mmm-online.com/home/channel/agencies/lester-wunderman-passes-away-aged-98/</ref>
<ref>https://www.adweek.com/agencies/lester-wunderman-direct-marketing-pioneer-and-original-mad-man-dies-at-98/></ref>
<ref>https://adage.com/article/agency-news/lester-wunderman-dies-98/316219/</ref>
<ref>https://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/330414/obit-direct-marketing-pioneer-lester-wunderman-d.html</ref>
<ref>https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/lester-wunderman-passes-away-at-98-years-old-300776696.html</ref>
<ref>http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/25738521/former-michigan-state-spartans-coach-gus-ganakas-dies-92</ref>
<ref>https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/01/08/tuskegee-airman-john-lyle-dies-98.html</ref>
<ref>https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-military/2019/01/08/tuskegee-airman-john-jack-lyle-dead-at-98/</ref>
<ref>https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/02/business/blake-nordstrom-obit/index.html</ref>
<ref>https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/02/blake-nordstrom-co-president-of-nordstrom-has-died-at-age-58.html</ref>
<ref>https://wwd.com/business-news/retail/the-gentleman-retailer-blake-nordstrom-1202943584/</ref>
<ref>https://www.geekwire.com/2019/blake-nordstrom-co-president-seattle-based-retail-chain-dies-58/</ref>
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[[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 22:36, 13 January 2019 (UTC)


== Collage depreciation ==
:Im beginning to repeat myself, dumping the talk page with names and then links will not help. You need to name each challenged individual and why you think they are noteworthy enough for enclosure. Others will not do the work for you. So one at a time list the names that you should be added and others will see if they should be included. And remember that is list is not the place to list local politicians and such like as they are listed in [[Deaths in 2019]] and "2019 in "foo country" articles. If you dont understand then please ask questions. [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 22:47, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
{{hat|Discussion started by blocked sock [[User:33ABGirl|33ABGirl]] ([[User talk:33ABGirl|talk]]) 04:56, 5 January 2024 (UTC)}}
At [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Years#Lead_image]], a discussion on whether to depreciate collages in general in going on. Please share your thoughts.--[[User:Marginataen|Marginataen]] ([[User talk:Marginataen|talk]]) 21:38, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
{{hab}}


== Date format ==
I never asked anybody to do the work for me. I was just asking for assistance, and everybody to work as a team, which is completely different. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 15:02, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
{{hat|Discussion started by blocked sock [[User:33ABGirl|33ABGirl]] ([[User talk:33ABGirl|talk]]) 04:56, 5 January 2024 (UTC)}}
I would also like to suggest changing the date format of this article to the DMY format (e.g. 6 June 2020 as opposed to June 6, 2020). The DMY format seems more international and more suitable for a "global" article like. Also DMY simply makes more sense as it goes from smallest to highest.


At the village pump, I've presented a proposal to establish a standard to use DMY in general for all articles about "generic" years. The discussion got kind of messy however, and I'll propaly restart it at some point. In the meantime, I would like it to create consensus about changing it for specifically this and all other nine articles about the 2010s--[[User:Marginataen|Marginataen]] ([[User talk:Marginataen|talk]]) 16:11, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
:Wikilinked names and ''corresponding'' references would be the ''minimum'' that would be helpful in supporting your requests. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 20:50, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
{{hab}}

==Images==
When we have enough space to add images and depending on the situation, these are who should probably be included. Pegi Young, Bob Einstein, Marko Nikolic, Gene Okerlund, Herb Kelleher, Harold Brown, Lamin Sanneh, and depending on which articles have images. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 15:07, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
:Again, this makes no sense unless you use Wikilinks. Probably will be no more than 5 images, even after there are enough events for it to fall past the sidebars. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 20:39, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

== US Copyright law change ==

{{ping|Arthur Rubin}} reverted my removal of the January 1 event involving a change in US copyright law. Setting aside that there is no reference for it, it's not an event that belongs here. Media coverage has been minimal and appears to have been largely limited to the US. It is also the very definition of a US-specific event, given that it—by definition—only applies in the United States. If we're living in a world governed by [[talk:2015/Archive 2#Same-sex_marriage_in_the_US|this RFC]], I can't understand why we would include this. [[User talk:Agtx|<span style="color:#8B008B">'''agt'''</span><span style="color:#000000">x</span>]] 19:26, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
:It is not precisely US-law-specific, as some countries use US law for US copyrightable materials if coverage is longer than their own law. It is US-specific, in the sense that it applies to materials in the US or copyrighted in the US. As it's the first material to fall out of copyright in 20 (or 30) years, it seems relevant. However, I cannot find a clear source which states that, only a synthesis. Still trying to find a source. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 20:30, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
:I don't think that RFC holds. If I remember/understand correctly, after [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Recent_years&oldid=797834641#RFC:_guideline_status_of_this_project's_inclusion this RFC] and then [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Recent_years&oldid=817326836#RFC:_Do_we_need_to_differentiate_between_%22recent_years%22_and_other_years? this RFC], we have no guidelines for these pages beyond general content policy, but the consensus has generally held that events and people should have some semblance of international significance. -- [[User:Irn|irn]] ([[User talk:Irn|talk]]) 23:34, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

== Brexit vote ==

On January 15th, UK parliament rejected the Brexit deal which was a widely covered news event all over the world. I think it is worthy of being included in the article. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Rayansb|Rayansb]] ([[User talk:Rayansb#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Rayansb|contribs]]) 21:04, 18 January 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:I think it makes more sense to include just the brexit itself in March, not each step leading to it. — [[User:Yerpo|Yerpo]] <sup>[[User talk:Yerpo|Eh?]]</sup> 21:12, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
::'''Include''': The vote itself is notable enough to be included. [[User:The Optimistic One|The Optimistic One]] ([[User talk:The Optimistic One|talk]]) 21:44, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
:::Noteworthy for [[2019 in the United Kingdom]] but not here, really just internal British politics at the moment. [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 22:58, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

==Names==
Before we start adding more names. Does anybody know if we should add the celebrity dog "Boo" to the list? He was an internet sensation, and had been famous since 2010. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 22:23, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
* All the coverage seems to be from the US at the moment. Note also that there needs to be significant coverage of life ''and'' death. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 22:27, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

It's not any different than Koko the famous gorilla, who passed in 2018. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 22:32, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
:Oh, yes it is. Koko was internationally known, and reported on in mainstream media. Boo is known only on social media and commentary on social media. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 03:29, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
: What Arthur said. Koko's life and death was reported in "serious" news sources around the world. What few sources have covered Boo's death have basically said "Dog had 16 million social media followers, and has died". [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 07:31, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

==Notable Deaths==
I've read a lot of obituaries and International news articles on the names of Mason Lowe, Aloysius Pang, and Wade Wilson.

I know there are a lot on Aloysius Pang, and he died in a plane crash while he in the middle of training exercise for the armed forces and most plane crashes are worldwide, here are some of the locations:

US, UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, China, Japan, India, Thailand, Singapore

[[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 17:05, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

:* Matt, it's been explained to you more than once that Mason Lowe isn't sufficiently notable for this page - indeed, this is a person who ''didn't even have a Wikipedia article'' before his death. There are some international stories about him - but they're all about the unusual manner of his death; there's practically ''nothing'' on him before that. He belongs in the 2019 US page, but not here. I can see one or two non-US articles about Wilson, but very few. I am not as familiar with Asian acting notability but Pang, again, appears to have little coverage outside Singapore. I'm willing to be persuaded otherwise about this one, though. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:01, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

There are 2 non-US articles on Wilson that I found from Canada and Japan, there might be more just not able to find them. How many non-US articles meet the requirement? Are you saying your only persuaded by Pang? Pang has articles from the US, UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, China, Japan, India. A lot of articles I found on him appear to be international. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 19:59, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Also on Wilson I forgot to mention earlier that I found an article him from Portugal, Mexico, Spain and probably Cuba. Because there were articles on him written in Spanish. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 21:02, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
* Can you drop the links to those stories in here, then? I did look at Wilson the first time you mentioned him (and Pang) and couldn't find a lot, but there might have been more since then. You can put the links in by enclosing them in square brackets, i.e. <nowiki>[</nowiki>www.website.com<nowiki>]</nowiki> Thanks, [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 21:13, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Ok. Sounds good. First lets start with Aloysius Pang. I found articles from US, Australia, New Zealand, Myanmar, India, Singapore, Malaysia, Canada, China, UK.

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1. <nowiki>[</nowiki>https://variety.com/2019/film/asia/singapore-actor-aloysius-pang-dies-dead-killed-military-service-28-1203116497/<nowiki>]</nowiki>

2. <nowiki>[</nowiki>https://thewest.com.au/news/world/singapore-actor-aloysius-pang-killed-on-military-service-in-new-zealand-ng-b881084463z<nowiki>]</nowiki>

3. <nowiki>[</nowiki>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=12195325<nowiki>]</nowiki>

4. <nowiki>[</nowiki>https://elevenmyanmar.com/news/actor-aloysius-pang-dies-saf-to-lower-training-tempo-to-better-focus-on-safety-armywide-safety<nowiki>]</nowiki>

5. <nowiki>[</nowiki>https://www.ibtimes.co.in/who-aloysius-pang-singapore-actor-critically-injured-during-military-training-790609<nowiki>]</nowiki>

6. <nowiki>[</nowiki>http://www.ibtimes.sg/singapores-defence-minister-says-injured-actor-aloysius-pang-needs-artificial-life-support-29067<nowiki>]</nowiki>

7. <nowiki>[</nowiki>https://www.businessinsider.my/a-star-is-lost-these-are-some-of-actor-aloysius-pangs-most-memorable-tv-and-film-performances/<nowiki>]</nowiki>

8. <nowiki>[</nowiki>https://www.asiaone.com/singapore/aloysius-pang-dies-politicians-offer-condolences/<nowiki>]</nowiki>

9. <nowiki>[</nowiki>https://www.thechronicleherald.ca/news/world/singapore-actor-aloysius-pang-dies-from-military-injuries-278391/<nowiki>]</nowiki>

10. <nowiki>[</nowiki>https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/2183422/singapore-actor-aloysius-pang-dies-new-zealand-military<nowiki>]</nowiki>

11. <nowiki>[</nowiki>https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/aloysius-pang-injured-actor-singapore-military-exercise-new-zealand-a8739046.html<nowiki>]</nowiki>

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[[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 22:16, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
* Yeah, looks good enough to me. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 00:26, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Ok. Sounds good. I'll go ahead and add him. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 01:39, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

== [[Gene Okerlund]] image ==

Regardless of the idiotic notion that [[Gene Okerlund]] is sufficiently notable to have a Wikipedia article, there is absolutely no chance he should have an image while '''any''' of the other January 2019 deaths do not. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 19:31, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

'''Comment''': Why is it idiotic? Mean Gene was in WWF/WWE for years, he was internationally notable. [[User:The Optimistic One|The Optimistic One]] ([[User talk:The Optimistic One|talk]]) 00:23, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

==Frank Robinson==
It's appear's that we have been having a conflict today on Frank Robinson, a user named "MilborneOne" on here doesn't seen to do his research. and being notable is not only about obituaries, it's about there life stories and he doesn't seem to get that. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 15:41, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

:I have to admit I have no idea what you are saying about life stories and why that it relevant to anybody being included in this page. Perhaps you need to explain why you think [[Frank Robinson]] should be included on this page. [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 15:50, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Another admin told me that it's also about there "life". That's why I said life stories. Also what they are known for. That's why his name was added in the first place. Being known for something. He was known for being first African-American to manage a major league team. Just like how Jackie Robinson was known for the first black athlete to play Major League Baseball. I'm that should count a reason. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 16:04, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

:Having a "life" or even a "life story" is not a criteria for adding somebody here. [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 16:11, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

That's not what I was told. Did you even read the other thing I said? [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 16:16, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

:It is simple another editor challenged your addition so you come here and explain why you think it should be added and if others agree it can be added. Being known for "something" is also not a criteria for adding somebody here. [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 16:20, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

'''Include''': Person seems to be notable. As his death is receiving a significant amount of news coverage, he was also mentioned in a tweet by U.S President Donald Trump. [[User:The Optimistic One|The Optimistic One]] ([[User talk:The Optimistic One|talk]]) 19:53, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
:Is he notable outside of the United States? I am not seeing significant coverage in the International media. [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 11:00, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
::Notable enough in the UK for The Guardian to write up about his death. <ref>https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/feb/07/frank-robinson-first-african-american-mlb-manager-dies</ref> [[User:The Optimistic One|The Optimistic One]] ([[User talk:The Optimistic One|talk]]) 23:27, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

::Here's one from Japan. <ref>https://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2019/02/08/baseball/mlb/hall-famer-pioneer-first-african-american-mlb-manager-frank-robinson-dead-83/#.XHG4kPZFzIU</ref>

::Here's one from Canada<ref>https://globalnews.ca/news/4936336/hall-of-famer-pioneering-manager-frank-robinson-dies-at-83/</ref> [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 21:58, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

:::Frank Robinson was important in American baseball, but not internationally. While baseball is popular in parts of Canada, Latin America, and East Asia, the MLBA is not particularly notable on a world-wide scale. [[User:Michael E Nolan|Michael E Nolan]] ([[User talk:Michael E Nolan|talk]]) 18:50, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
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== [[Mark Hollis (musician)|Mark Hollis]] ==

We still don't know the date of his death. It was ''reported'' February 25. Probably could be listed, but with a footnote. However, I tried to list someone who disappeared with a footnote, and the entry was deleted. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 12:59, 26 February 2019 (UTC)


== Possibly non-notables ==
I have just removed the following as I dont believe they meet the inclusion criteria:
*[[Blake Nordstrom]], American businessman (b. [[1960]]) (Approved)
*[[Gene Okerlund]], American wrestling announcer (b. [[1942]]) (Approved)
*[[Sylvia Chase]], American news anchor and journalist (b. [[1938]]) (Out of the picture)
*[[Patricia Wald]], American judge (b. [[1928]])
*[[Paweł Adamowicz]], Polish politician (b. [[1965]]) (Approved)
*[[John C. Bogle]], American investor (b. [[1929]]) (Approved)
*[[Glen Wood]], American race car driver (b. [[1925]])
*[[Harris Wofford]], American politician and civil rights activist (b. [[1926]]) (Approved)
*[[Jeremy Hardy]], English comedian (b. [[1961]]) (Approved)

I suspect we a lot more added recently that probably need to be removed but do we have any support for any of these being added back? [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 17:35, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

I talked to another admin a while back and he says that Jeremy Hardy was notable. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 17:38, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

:Have you any evidence he was known outside of the United Kingdom? [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 17:47, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
:: A quick look sees obituaries from the US and Australia (and, rather oddly, Palestine) as well as Ireland. I think there were others at the time but like many obits they tend to be difficult to find once they've disappeared off front pages. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 17:53, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
On Paweł Adamowicz, his was an assassination and there were a lot of international articles on his death. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 17:41, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

* Hardy looks notable to me - obituaries from a number of countries. Bogle's death also generated a pretty large press. Adamowicz's assassination was a very big story, even though he may have been fairly low-profile outside Poland before that. I would restore the first two, and possibly the third. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 17:45, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
::Dear old Jeremy Hardy, love him as I did, is not exactly a household name in the UK. When I was going around saying, "Have you heard, Jeremy Hardy has died", most people's response was "Who?" [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 09:36, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

::I would suggest that Chase for one is unknown outside of the US. [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 17:52, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Here's who should probably stay:
Okerlund, Adamowicz, Bogle, Wofford, Hardy. The others shouldn't be added unless if we can find another article from another country. Or unless if we could explain otherwise. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 17:55, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

'''Update:'''
I saw some Non-U.S. articles on Okerlund from the UK, Ireland, Australia, and a few countries Asia. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 19:31, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

'''Another Update:'''
I found Non-U.S. articles on Wofford from the UK, Canada, and I found an obituary from Scotland. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 21:01, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

So I guess it is safe to go ahead an restore 2 more names since nobody has said anything about it being a problem. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 23:18, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

'''Update:'''
I found Non-U.S. articles on Nordstrom from Canada, India, UK, Australia, and New Zealand,. If you don't believe me, Here:
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<nowiki>[</nowiki>https://globalnews.ca/news/4812813/blake-nordstrom-executive-death/<nowiki>]</nowiki>

<nowiki>[</nowiki>https://www.businessinsider.in/blake-nordstrom-a-top-executive-and-heir-to-the-department-store-dynasty-has-died-heres-how-the-nordstrom-family-built-their-store-empire-/articleshow/67388110.cms<nowiki>]</nowiki>

<nowiki>[</nowiki>https://fashionunited.uk/news/people/nordstom-president-blake-nordstrom-died-age-58/2019010240780<nowiki>]</nowiki>

<nowiki>[</nowiki>https://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-6549369/Department-store-executive-Blake-Nordstrom-dies-58.html<nowiki>]</nowiki>
:The Daily Mail is not a [[Wikipedia:Reliable source]]. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 09:33, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

<nowiki>[</nowiki>https://www.businessinsider.com.au/blake-nordstrom-death-mourned-by-employees-customers-2019-1<nowiki>]</nowiki>

<nowiki>[</nowiki>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12185089<nowiki>]</nowiki>
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[[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 00:00, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

It seems to me that, if an entry is not included in the relevant Year in Topic article, they shouldn't be included here. I'm also noticing that the above user is adding ''only'' US entries, which is adding to the existing systemic bias in the article. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 09:33, 10 March 2019 (UTC)


==Yona Atari==
please create Yona Atari. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/62.219.247.103|62.219.247.103]] ([[User talk:62.219.247.103#top|talk]]) 05:52, 15 March 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== disney fox buyout ==

When Disney buys 21st Century Fox, will it be added to this article? It would seem very notable, considering many media are reporting on this. [[Special:Contributions/78.108.56.35|78.108.56.35]] ([[User talk:78.108.56.35|talk]]) 15:40, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

== Scott Walker image ==

[[Scott Walker]] absolutely deserves an image. His article has been translated into 22 languages, and his musical influence has been massive across the world (2 #1 hits in the UK and a #13 hit in the US. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/209.150.225.211|209.150.225.211]] ([[User talk:209.150.225.211#top|talk]]) 21:35, 25 March 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Deaths ==
Is it time to consider ditching the deaths section and providing a link to [[Deaths in 2019]], anything really big would qualify as an event but this would be rare. It would stop all the bun fights as I understand [[Deaths in 2019]] includes anybody with an article. [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 00:11, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Are you saying that we have to add source from now on? [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 00:18, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

There are clearly too many. If you look at January, there are ''ninety'' deaths listed there. Go back a decade and look at [[2009]], and there are just '''fifteen'''. I suspect the latter number should be the marker we're looking at. First of all, we really need to strip out anyone whose death (or life) was not widely covered internationally. I'll go through that month later and produce a list, and then everyone can see what they think. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 10:46, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

That's a good idea, I just remembered what you told me before. You said to "check the coverage of the life of the person, not just their death". Also for January there were a few names that I had to have permission to add like, Aloysius Pang, and Dick Miller. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 14:32, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

:There was a convention, early on, that we shouldn't have more than fifty births and fifty deaths on a Year page but that seems to have gone by the board. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 15:32, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

== Adding names ==
Due to some of the recent editing conflicts, I think I might best that nobody adds any names unless they can find articles from countries, or without permission from the admins. Also some might not need any depending the coverage of the person. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 01:26, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
:I think we already have that convention but it doesn't stop people from doing it. We should also reduce the number of images as they are cluttering up these sections. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 15:31, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

==Removing names==
In view of recent discussions with [[User:Black Kite]], [[User:MilborneOne]] and [[User:Matt Campbell]], I've been bold and removed a number of Brits from the Deaths section because they were really not that famous in the UK. Anyone who disagrees can add them back but I would suggest you try and make a good case:

*[[Cadet (rapper)|Cadet]], British rapper (b. [[1990]])
*[[William Davis (journalist)|William Davis]], German-born British journalist (b. [[1933]])
*[[Paul Flynn (politician)|Paul Flynn]], British politician (b. [[1935]]) - great guy but not even a Cabinet minister
*[[Michael Green (theologian)|Michael Green]], British theologian (b. [[1930]])
*[[Eric Harrison (footballer)|Eric Harrison]], English footballer (b. [[1938]])
*[[Eric Haydock]], British musician (b. [[1943]])
*[[Felicity Hill]], British Royal Air Force officer (b. [[1915]])
*[[Mark Hollis (musician)|Mark Hollis]], English singer-songwriter (b. [[1955]]){{disputed-inline|discuss=Talk:2019#Mark Hollis|date=February 2019}} (Re-added)
*[[Geoffrey Langlands]], British army officer and educator (b. [[1917]])
*[[John Richardson (art historian)|Sir John Richardson]], British art historian and biographer (b. [[1924]])
*[[Ron Smith (comics)|Ron Smith]], British comics artist (b. [[1928]])
*[[Mike Thalassitis]], English-born Cypriot footballer and television personality (b. [[1993]])
*[[W. Morgan Sheppard]], British actor (b. [[1932]]) - appears to be known only for small roles in ''Star Trek''

[[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 15:45, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Ok That's a good idea.

If anyone wants to add them back, discuss it with an admin or you can discuss it on here with others. But remember to include articles from other countries in order to prove that they should be on here.

Warning: If anyone add's any of these name's back without talk page consensus, or without approval from an admin then the edit will probably get reverted.

If anyone manages to find any articles from other countries on any of these people then send them to me on my talk page and I can take a look at them and see if they are useful or not. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 18:21, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

::I am not sure wikipedia works like that. [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 18:24, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

::: I'm just trying to help out here. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 18:37, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

* Agree with them all apart from Hollis. Singer and songwriter with a band that had success all over Europe and were lesser known worldwide, and who pioneered an entire music genre. I can also see obituaries from at least half a dozen countries, and that's just on the first two pages of Google News. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:48, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
**I'm okay with him coming back (even though I'd never heard of him till he died). But I think we need to take into account where the obituaries were from - for example, a lesser-known music website wouldn't carry the same weight as an obituary in The Times. (I haven't looked to see if there is one.) [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 19:44, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
*** Hollis had obituaries in most of the heavyweight UK news sources (The Times one is [https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mark-hollis-obituary-tfqtk08p7 here]), and also foreign sources like the NY Times, Billboard, Rolling Stone etc. I'll put him back now. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 23:28, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
* For [[Mike Thalassitis]], I already saw articles from U.S., India, Cyprus, South Africa, England, Ireland, and New Zealand. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 19:07, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
*:What do you mean by "I saw articles"? As far as I can see, none of the other language Wikipedias have articles on him apart from English and Greek. If you've seen press articles about him, how many of them related directly to his death? [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 19:15, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
*::Also I forgot to mention Spain, so from 8 countries. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 19:26, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
:::* But, Thalassitis was not a well-known person outside of appearing on one series of ''Love Island''. There was of course a brief spat of news stories about his death because it was of course covered by social media and tabloid sources. If you look at his article, 90% of it is about his (unremarkable) football career followed by three lines saying he appeared in a couple of reality shows. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 23:28, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

:I say retain Eric Haydock, for he was the bassist of The Hollies during much of their peak in popularity - and is also a Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductee --[[User:Thescrubbythug|Thescrubbythug]] ([[User talk:Thescrubbythug|talk]]) 10:52, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
::I say I can't see any reason to include him - I was a huge fan of the Hollies and I don't remember him at all, though I could name most of the other members of the group (Alan Clarke, Graham Nash, Terry Sylvester, Tony Hicks). And only Nash was a household name. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 13:17, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
:::I knew of Eric Haydock quite firmly for years before he died, and I was and only is a casual Hollies fan. He was around during the first few years - which coincided with the peak years of the British Invasion - and left the band around the time Bus Stop came out. As far as I know, he was pretty well regarded as a bassist, and only left due to a management dispute. He certainly wouldn't have been inducted into the RRHOF for no reason - especially since the organisation has had a pretty notorious track record of excluding key band members, such as Bruce Johnston of The Beach Boys and Bob Welch of Fleetwood Mac --[[User:Thescrubbythug|Thescrubbythug]] ([[User talk:Thescrubbythug|talk]]) 14:52, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
::::I'd never heard of Bob Welch either - possibly because his solo career seems to have been mainly in the US. But if Haydock was inducted into the HOF simply as a member of the Hollies, then presumably you think all members of all bands that are in it should be included here, and I'd say that's highly debatable. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 17:42, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

== Albert Finney ==

I reiterate this question I posed to {{Ping|Arthur Rubin}} on his talk page but I’m also looking for other input. I added [[Albert Finney]]’s image into the article but he was removed, with AR saying he was “a bad choice”. I don’t understand that reasoning. Finney is world renowned, 4-time Oscar nominee in his field. It’d be fair to say he was more notable than someone like [[Kristoff St. John]], but I don’t wanna get into comparing a deceased persons notoriety. Anyway just looking for a concrete reason. [[User:Rusted AutoParts|<span style="font-family:Rockwell; color:red"><i>Rusted AutoParts</i></span>]] 17:45, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

:We dont really have a criteria for images other than not to include to many they overwhelm the article. That said Finney would be a reasonable choice to be added, he is well known and not American (to balance the usual bias). [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 17:49, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
::It's only <strike>8</strike> 12 minutes since you posted on my talk page. I think a Secretary of the Army is more notable than an actor, in general. Perhaps Finney could replace one of the singers, or [[Charlie Whiting]]. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 17:55, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
::{{ping|Matt Campbell}} You're one of the other editors who made this particular change. Comments? — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 17:58, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
::I've taken out Charlie Whiting twice, but he keeps being re-added. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 19:12, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
:::Who keeps adding him? [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 19:30, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
::::You've re-added his image twice in the past three days, as you well know. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 19:36, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
:::::I don't remember adding him. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 19:41, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

== Dick Dale image ==

I think Dick Dale deserves to have his image put up given his iconic status & influence - he was known as the "King of the Surf Guitar" and was the most famous performer in the surf music genre besides The Beach Boys. His songs such as Miserlou and Let's Go Trippin' remain enduringly popular to this day, and his work as a guitarist has influenced generations that came after him - such as Jimi Hendrix and The Ramones --[[User:Thescrubbythug|Thescrubbythug]] ([[User talk:Thescrubbythug|talk]]) 10:58, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
:Which other American or Brit would you suggest removing? [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 13:15, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
::Also, do you have a decent image of Dick Dale? The ones in his article are pretty poor. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 13:19, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
:I would suggest removing Manohar Parrikar, who seems to be a political figure that would be considered very obscure outside of India. If not him and somebody who must be British or American, then Charlie Whiting. As for image, I'd agree that the ones used on his page really is far from ideal.... this seems to be the best one from WikiCommons - and is really no worse than the Keith Flint photo: File:Dick Dale, Viva Las Vegas, 2013-03-30 IMG 8131 (8605847986).jpg --[[User:Thescrubbythug|Thescrubbythug]] ([[User talk:Thescrubbythug|talk]]) 14:45, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
::I agree with that last comment and if it were up to me I would remove the whole entry for Keith Flint but he does seem to be more widely known than I thought. I'll make a start by removing the Whiting image again. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 17:46, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
:I propose removing the image of [[Herb Kelleher]], who is little known outside the US. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 07:39, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
::Done. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 15:07, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

==Some proposed removals==
I propose to remove the following from the Deaths section:
*[[Kinryū Arimoto]] - voice actor who doesn't seem to have done much outside dubbing foreign films (removed)
*[[Carmen Argenziano]] - appears to have been a very minor actor; how well known by name, either in or outside the US? (removed)
*[[Ricardo Boechat]] - notability seems mainly to do with the manner of his death. (removed)
*[[Carmen Duncan]] - did one or two soap roles, but doesn't seem well-known outside Australia (removed)
*[[Yechiel Eckstein]] - well known within the US Jewish community, but outside? (removed)
*[[Richard Erdman]] - appears to have been a very minor actor; would Americans even recognise him? (removed)
*[[Desmond Ford]] - apparently notorious within the Seventh Day Adventist church, but was he known outside it? (removed)
*[[Olli Lindholm]] - had a single number 1 hit in Finland with his band; probably well-known in Scandinavia but not internationally. (removed)
*[[Franco Macri]] - his notability appears to rest mainly on being the father of the Argentine president. (removed)
*[[Carmine Persico]] - okay, a major figure within the gangster world, but was he famous outside it? (removed)
*[[Clive Swift]] - really only well-known for one role in a sitcom (removed)
*[[Vinny Vella]] - another minor actor; how well known was he in the US? (removed)

I'd be happy to discuss any of these with other contributors who know more about them. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 10:57, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

We could possibly remove Vinny Vella, Richard Erdman, Olli Lindholm, Carmen Duncan. So probably at least 4. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 19:18, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
:These four removed. Further views welcome. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 16:06, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
::Updated 22 April. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 15:28, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
:::If anyone ever decides they want them re-added then make sure that you send me a message on my talk page, and make sure that you find articles from other countries besides just one, send them to my talk page and I will look at them. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 04:41, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
::::Updated 29 April. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 14:13, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
:::::Was that really necessary? Saying "updated". [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 21:35, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

==[[Ken Nordine]]==
Ken Nordine was recently added by an anon. He seems to be unknown outside the US and probably little known within it, so I propose removing him. Any objections? [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 15:10, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

I think he should be removed. Everyone already agreed that his name shouldn't be included. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 15:17, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

==[[Teotónio de Souza]]==
I've removed this person, who wasn't listed in 2019 in Portugal and whose article is tagged for better referencing. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 07:36, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

==[[Emiliano Sala]]==
Really only notable for the circumstances surrounding his death; was not even an international. I propose removing the entry and the image. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 10:24, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
* Removing the image is fine, his death however was such a huge international story (it was front page for days) that I think it belongs here. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 11:34, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

== Friday is status quo for Brexit ==

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/08/brexit-uk-faces-reckoning-with-no-deal-deadline-just-days-away.html <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2600:1003:B01A:191F:C453:4015:1BFA:C31D|2600:1003:B01A:191F:C453:4015:1BFA:C31D]] ([[User talk:2600:1003:B01A:191F:C453:4015:1BFA:C31D#top|talk]]) 00:28, 9 April 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
*[https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/apr/08/brexit-latest-news-live-theresa-may-union-most-likely-outcome-if-labour-and-government-can-compromise-says-minister-live-news Ahem]. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 00:31, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
**If the EU 27 don't unanimously pass the extension request then this is a moot point. Like how the extension announcement on the 22nd wasn't made official until early the following week. [[Special:Contributions/96.244.93.97|96.244.93.97]] ([[User talk:96.244.93.97|talk]]) 01:15, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
***I'd suggest that, if [[User:198.200.181.196]] or [[User:2600:1003:B01A:191F:C453:4015:1BFA:C31D|2600:1003:B01A:191F:C453:4015:1BFA:C31D]] (that's assuming you're not the same person) wants to add something like this (or any other event), they include an inline citation in the article to show that what they are saying is correct. Nevertheless, the present consensus is ''not'' to include it. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 07:47, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

==Some proposed removals==
I propose to remove the following from the Deaths section:
*[[Paul Dewar]] - Canadian MP who didn't hold any major office (removed)
*[[Ethel Ennis]] - Apparently little known outside Maryland (removed)
*[[Walter B. Jones Jr.]] - Minor US politician (removed)
*[[Stephen Negoesco]] - Unknown outside US; his article is tagged for better references (removed)
*[[Paulo Nogueira Neto]] - Apparently little known outside Brazil (removed)
*[[Šaban Šaulić]] - Apparently little known outside Serbia (removed)
*[[Jörg Streli]] - Austrian architect, not internationally known (removed)
*[[Allan Wild]] - New Zealand architect, not internationally known (removed)
*[[Wade Wilson (American football)]] - Appears to have been a very minor player (removed)

::You didn't sign your post. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 21:32, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
:::Sorry. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 21:48, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
::::No apology necessary. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 21:59, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
Updated 18 April. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 08:17, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
Updated 22 April. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 15:25, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

===Further proposed removals===
*[[George Brady (Holocaust survivor)]] - survived the Holocaust (which is wonderful) and was given various awards but that doesn't make him internationally famous (removed)
*[[Maxine Brown (country singer)]] - little known even in the US (removed)
*[[Alberto Cortez]], Argentine singer and songwriter - nothing to suggest he was internationally known (removed)
*[[Windsor Davies]], actor - only known for prolific appearances in British sitcoms; I doubt anyone outside the UK would recognise his name
*[[Owen Garriott]], American astronaut - I have nothing against him personally, but are ''all'' astronauts to be automatically included in these lists?
*[[Fritz Hollings]], American politician - His main claim to fame seems to be that he lived a long time (removed)
*[[John Joubert (composer)]], minor classical composer (removed)
*[[Ron Joyce]], Canadian businessman - a lesser figure in the establishment of Tim Horton's (removed)
*[[Paul Koslo]], German-Canadian actor - not widely known (removed)
*[[Alf Lüdtke]], German historian, little known outside Germany (removed)
*[[Tony Mendez]], CIA officer and writer but not known outside the US (removed)
*[[Pierre Nanterme]], French proprietor of a management consultancy (removed)
*[[Mya-Lecia Naylor]], English child actress, not widely known even in the UK (removed)
*[[Bazilije Pandžić]], Croatian historian, archivist and orientalist - not internationally known (removed)
*[[Lamin Sanneh]], US professor, virtually unknown (removed)
*[[Pepe Smith]], minor Filipino musician (removed)
*[[Sanford Sylvan]], little-known US opera singer (removed)
*[[Andrew G. Vajna]], Hungarian-American film producer but not significant in the history of cinema
Open to debate. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 08:56, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
::Updated 24 April. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 08:43, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
:::Updated 20 May. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 11:37, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

::Just wanted to give you some heads up, you don't own the document, and not only just about what you want, it's about what everyone want's as well, and what they think as well. Not just you! [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 22:17, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
:::If you have a view, maybe you could say what it is... [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 22:36, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
::::A view on what? [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 22:44, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
: I'd remove all of those. Windsor Davies did have a pretty good international spread of obituaries, so might be borderline. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 22:47, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
:::::We also have to remember the coverage of the people as well. Doesn't some of it have to do with references? Some of them have over 75-100 references and are really long bio documents. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 22:53, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
::::::Also I forgot to mention there are 2 of them that should stay, and probably remove the rest if necessary. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 22:56, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
:::::::I think it would be helpful if you would say which ones you think should stay, and why. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 07:16, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
::::::::"Why" is the the priority. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 14:09, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
::::::::: Ok so here about [[Geoffrey Langlands]] So here to post some international articles on his death https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/03/obituaries/geoffrey-langlands-dead.html (American Article), (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/01/major-langlands-pakistan-favourite-headmaster-dies-101-190102140946143.html Qatari article) https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/geoffrey-d-langlands-obituary-british-commando-who-educated-pakistan-s-elite-1.3753665 (Irish Article) https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/world/pak-pm-imran-khan-s-teacher-geoffrey-langlands-dies/707648.html (Indian Article) so as you can see this guy has been noted in multiple different countries. --[[User:ThatBaileyLad|ThatBaileyLad]] ([[User talk:ThatBaileyLad|talk]]) 15:09, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
::::::::: He's got ''obituaries'' in different countries. He has Wikipedia articles in only two languages. He's certainly not widely known in the UK. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 15:40, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
::::::::::In fact, not even well enough known to have an entry in [[2019 in the United Kingdom]]... [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 15:42, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
::::::::::: Ok sure --[[User:ThatBaileyLad|ThatBaileyLad]] ([[User talk:ThatBaileyLad|talk]]) 16:03, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
::::::::::::I'm not trying to browbeat you, but we need to look at it from different angles if we are ever going to get the births and deaths sections down to a manageable size. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 20:29, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
:::::::::::::The only reason you removed him is because you don't want him here. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 21:35, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
No, [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] , it's because he's part of a list we previously discussed on this page. ''Your'' comment was: "Ok That's a good idea. If anyone wants to add them back, discuss it with an admin or you can discuss it on here with others. But remember to include articles from other countries in order to prove that they should be on here. Warning: If anyone add's any of these name's back without talk page consensus, or without approval from an admin then the edit will probably get reverted."
:And you were right, it will be. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 08:25, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
::Oh. yeah I did say that. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 13:08, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

== omar al bashir ==

we urgnelty need to add the fact that omar al bashir has resigned due to the military, please add since this is edit protected. [[Special:Contributions/62.109.36.16|62.109.36.16]] ([[User talk:62.109.36.16|talk]]) 08:13, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
:His article currently says "It, however, has yet to be verified as the [[Sudanese Armed Forces]] stated it is to make an "important announcement" on State TV." So no urgency. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 12:00, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
::I understand, it, however, will get urgent when it is revealed that he was ousted. [[Special:Contributions/62.109.36.16|62.109.36.16]] ([[User talk:62.109.36.16|talk]]) 12:43, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
:::I think we should know the full story first. Events that are still unfolding should be held back, in my opinion, so that we make sure we only report reliable facts. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 13:03, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

==Contentious content removed==
I've removed this paragraph from the Events section:

<nowiki>An estimated 400,000 people [[People's Vote#Campaign activities|march]] in central [[London]] in protest against [[Brexit]].<ref>{{citation|title=Brexit march: '1 million' rally for people's vote - live updates|url=https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/mar/23/brexit-hundreds-of-thousands-expected-to-march-for-peoples-vote-london-live-updates?page=with:block-5c9672f6e4b0e8eadf783039#block-5c9672f6e4b0e8eadf783039|date=March 23, 2019|publisher=The Guardian|accessdate=March 23, 2019}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=https://fullfact.org/europe/peoples-vote-march-count/|title=There almost certainly weren’t a million people on the People’s Vote march|website=Full Fact|access-date=2019-04-13}}</ref></nowiki>

The page history shows that this was amended after its addition to the page because of doubts over the number of people attending, in favour of an alternative estimate. I'm actually wondering whether any protest against the activities of a single government is of great enough international significance even to be mentioned in a Year article. If it's decided that it is, then a better way of wording it needs to be found. Comments welcome. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 15:37, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

==Minor musicians==
I've removed these three musicians who clearly weren't internationally known:
* [[Clydie King]]
* [[Lorna Doom]]
* [[Chris Wilson (Australian musician)|Chris Wilson]]
[[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 23:04, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

::Prove it? [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 02:56, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
:::One was a session musician, thus his name would not be widely known even if he was a major one, which the article doesn't suggest he was; as far as I can see, the other two never had any hits outside their home country (perhaps not even within it?) [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 15:24, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

==Mark Hollis==
Should his name really be on here? Since we don't really know the actually day that he passed? [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 22:16, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
:I thought I said that already. On this talk page. But perhaps it was lost in an edit conflict. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 09:26, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
:: It doesn't matter that we don't know his date of death. He was an internationally known musician and the massive range (and quality) of obituaries shows that. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 22:44, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
::: [https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/feb/26/mark-hollis-obituary Guardian] [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2019/02/26/mark-hollis-enigmatic-front-man-1980s-band-talk-talk-retired/ Telegraph] [https://variety.com/2019/music/news/talk-talk-mark-hollis-dies-dead-at-64-1203148838/ Variety] [https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/talk-talk-mark-hollis-dead-800033/ Rolling Stone] [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-47373897 BBC] [http://www.leparisien.fr/culture-loisirs/mark-hollis-ex-chanteur-du-groupe-britannique-talk-talk-est-mort-25-02-2019-8020290.php Le Parisien] [https://www.letelegramme.fr/musique/mark-hollis-le-chanteur-de-talk-talk-est-decede-25-02-2019-12217373.php Le Telegramme] [https://www.bild.de/unterhaltung/leute/leute/talk-talk-mark-hollis-ist-tot-musikwelt-trauert-um-such-a-shame-saenger-60354814.bild.html Bild (Germany)] [https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/kultur/musik/zum-tod-von-mark-hollis-wenn-alles-gesagt-ist-32111712 Berliner (Germany)] [https://www.bluewin.ch/de/news/vermischtes/talk-talk-frontman-mark-hollis-gestorben-219127.html Switzerland] [https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/music/singer-mark-hollis-of-1980s-band-talk-talk-dies-at-64-20190227-h1bsgg.html Sydney Morning Herald (Australia)] [https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/obit-hollis-mark-1.5033615 CBC (Canada)] [https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/music/110888534/talk-talks-influential-mark-hollis-dead-at-64-brought-delicacy-to-1980s-music New Zealand] [https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/english/music/news/talk-talk-frontman-mark-hollis-passes-away/articleshow/68172403.cms Times of India] [http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/article/560045 Saudi Gazette] [https://www.irishmirror.ie/showbiz/celebrity-news/mark-hollis-dead-fans-mourn-14052898 Ireland] [https://www.corriere.it/spettacoli/19_febbraio_25/morto-mark-hollis-talk-talk-simbolo-pop-anni-ottanta-6fd5173a-3936-11e9-8f77-d31ec271a736.shtml Corriere del Sera, Italy's best selling paper] [https://kultura.pravda.sk/hudba/clanok/503570-mark-hollis-od-krala-parketov-k-otcovi-post-rocku/ Slovakia] [https://www.blesk.cz/clanek/celebrity-svetove-celebrity/597627/zemrel-interpret-64-pisne-it-s-my-life-podlehl-kratke-nemoci.html Czech Republic] [https://www.espreso.rs/kultura/muzika/355287/umro-mark-holis-frontmen-benda-talk-talk-preminuo-u-65-godini ESpreso (Russia)] [https://www.nachrichten.at/nachrichten/kultur/talk-talk-frontman-mark-hollis-ist-tot;art16,3105249 Nach Richten (Austria)] [https://zn.ua/CULTURE/ushel-iz-zhizni-osnovatel-gruppy-talk-talk-mark-hollis-310118_.html Ukraine] ... do I need to continue, here? [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 23:05, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

I understand that. But he isn't listed on the day that he passed away. That's what the problem is. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 17:19, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
* It isn't the first time that's happened, and I doubt it will be the last. It's fine. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 10:04, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

==Further proposed removals==
Although we seem to be fighting a losing battle in trying to get the endless lists of births and deaths down to a manageable size, more nonentities are being added daily.
I'm now proposing removal of the following. Comments welcome:
*[[Stewart Adams (chemist)]], chemist who ''helped'' develop Ibuprofen (removed)
*[[Fatima Ali]], chef known mainly for appearances on reality TV shows (removed)
*[[Alix, Princess of Ligne]], Luxembourg royal who didn't really do anything (removed)
*[[Kim Bok-dong]], article tagged for COI (removed)
*[[Rosemarie Bowe]], American actress apparently best known for who she was married to (removed)
*[[Fernando Clavijo]], soccer player and coach (removed)
*[[John Dingell]], US politician, whose notability rests on being long-serving (removed)
*[[Andrew Fairlie]], chef - little known in the UK and unknown outside it (removed)
*[[Kevin Fret]], little-known Puerto Rican musician. Apparently his only claim to fame is being "the first openly gay Latin trap artist" (removed)
*[[Rocky Lockridge]], US boxer mainly known for knocking out another US boxer I've never heard of (removed)
*[[Peter Magowan]], businessman unknown outside the US (removed)
*[[John Otho Marsh Jr.]], US politician and academic - if we include everyone who's held a government post, we could fill the deaths list with those alone
*[[Ron W. Miller]], businessman mainly known for being Disney's son-in-law (removed)
*[[Hidekichi Miyazaki]], Japanese athlete known only for competing in a sporting event for people aged over 100 (removed)
*[[Ndaye Mulamba]], Congolese footballer, known mainly for being the subject of an assassination attempt - if we include him, it would only be for global balance (removed)
*[[Mel Tomlinson]], dancer and choreographer, not widely known outside those circles (removed)
*[[Andrzej Wieckowski]], US academic with no apparent claim to international fame (removed)
*[[Sergei Yursky]], Russian actor with little international recognition (removed)
Time for debate. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 08:46, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
:Updated 29 April. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 10:45, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
* Don't see a problem with any of those being removed. I would also add [[Marella Agnelli]], who doesn't appear to be notable for anything she did, more who she was. Article is terrible as well. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 14:57, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
**Updated 30 April. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 17:45, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
***Updated 1 May. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 12:31, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
::I just wish this nonsense would stop. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 18:14, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
::::By "nonsense", I assume you mean the adding of nonentities, making the Deaths section unmanageably long. It's been a problem for ages. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 18:37, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
:::::Some yes, and some no, also you and have caused so much damage already to the article. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 20:10, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
:::::: I can't see any damage to the article. Including so many people just because they have an article is, to my mind, even more damaging because it dilutes the importance of those that are there with good reason. If a politician is notable, but only in their own country, they don't belong here. 95% of the world is not interested in "Secretaries of Defence" or "House Speakers". The people here should be those who have had genuine international notability. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 21:55, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
::::::Or depending on if they have other Wikipedia articles in over 9 different languages or more, that's another rule I forgot to mention a while back. Or depending on the amount of references that they have. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 22:07, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
::::::: No. It's a guideline, but not a rule. You could easily write an article with hundreds of references about a politican who no-one has ever heard of outside their home country. I could probably easily expand the article about [[Geoffrey Robinson|my local Member of Parliament]] to a ridiculous number of references - he's been there for 43 years - but he's not notable enough for this page. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 22:19, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
::::::::That's a living person, so that doesn't count. We don't add living people.[[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 23:34, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
::::::::: Well obviously, but my point was that if he died he wouldn't be notable enough for this page regardless of how many citations I added. And you could do this with pretty much *any* politician because they always have lots of (local) coverage. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 11:42, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
:::One of those listed was Secretary of the U.S. Army, most notable politicians are presidents, vice presidents, secretary of state, secretary of Defense, House speakers, chief of justice, Prime ministers, Ambassador's, minsters of defense, etc. Or depending on the amount of references list on article pages. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 18:53, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

::::I removed 10 of them. That's should be enough. The rest are going to be kept! [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 19:48, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
::::: They'll be kept if there's consensus for them to be kept. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 10:38, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
*[[Richard Lugar]] definitely needs to go. If we include all US senators they will completely fill the list! [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 07:24, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
*As well as having too many biographical entries, we also have too many images again. Need to get rid of some as they once again overflowing the list of names, and we're only 1/3 of the way through the year. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 07:27, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
:I would agree with the removing all of them in the list. [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 14:28, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
::::He's no different than John McCain! [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 21:24, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
::::::Do enlighten us as to how Lugar is of international significance, [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]]! [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 18:10, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
:::::If I picked on to go I would pick [[Fritz Hollings]] instead. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 21:27, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
::::::Erased Fritz Hollings from list. Hope your happy. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 21:41, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

{{ping|Matt Campbell}}, you wrote on my Talk page: "I don't want you editing the yearly article page anymore because you have cause enough damage to it already, everything was fine until you came along, and starting changing everything without discussion it with other users."
:It's not acceptable to talk to other editors as if you owned Wikipedia and you need to stop doing it, otherwise you might find yourself blocked again. I recognise that you think you are doing us a service, and that's why I have gone easy on you up to now, but I won't put up with listening to your pronouncements on how things should be done every day of the week.[[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 07:39, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

::This is not the place to discuss this. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 12:23, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
:::this is something that we need to discuss privately. Not on here. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 13:16, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
::::You, {{U|Matt Campbell}}, need to stop displaying [[WP:OWN|ownership]] over this page. Your comments above are evidently out of touch with what we expect from such pages, and you are most definitely in the minority here. I suggest you start working '''with''' others here rather than continue to rail '''against''' them. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 14:25, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

*{{U|Matt Campbell}}, you refer to some curious requirements, such as {{xt|if they have other Wikipedia articles in over 9 different languages or more, that's another rule I forgot to mention a while back. Or depending on the amount of references that they have}}, as if they were policy. In fact, the now-historical [[Wikipedia:Recent years]] project requirements weren't even guidelines, they were an essay. But that "project" was deprecated a year or two ago, and along with it these so-called inclusion criteria. It's probably better to stop referring out to an archaic essay. And I have never seen any requirements on the referencing within the target articles. I think time has moved on, and you need to embrace our current consensus-based approach rather than continue to try to impose your own personal preferences. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 14:35, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

::Next time if there is a situation just like this one, can it be discussed somewhere else instead of here. This page is for a specific purpose, thanks. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 21:34, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
:::{{U|Matt Campbell}} no need, this is the correct place to talk about what is included in the page, the criteria for inclusion and ''any related issues''. Thanks. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 14:32, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

== All the links by the recently deceased ==

I noticed that someone added a link to an obituary to a bunch of people who died back in April? Are those extra links really necessary? Cause I don't see a point in them. [[User:JoeyRuss|JoeyRuss]] ([[User talk:JoeyRuss|talk]]) 23:13, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
:If you're asking why there are inline citations for the entries in April, it's because of [[Wikipedia:Verifiability#Responsibility_for_providing_citations|this guideline]] and there's no specific exclusion for Year articles. Unfortunately, people often post things without checking the facts and we're becoming more rigorous.[[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 07:52, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

== Thai king events ==

I believe Thai king events should be placed in [[2019 in Thailand]] instead, because the two events had little impact. --[[User:Wedjet|Wedjet]] ([[User talk:Wedjet|talk]]) 03:25, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

== [[Silver King (wrestler)]] ==

I'm convinced that, in a rational world, he shouldn't have a Wikipedia article. Nonetheless, dying during a performance ("professional" wrestling is almost entirely staged, even in Mexico) doesn't seem to add a reason for including the image. There are others in May more worthy of an image. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 22:04, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
* Agreed. Possibly notable enough for this page (although I suspect not), but definitely not worthy of an image. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 22:11, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
::He has became a worldwide known phenomenom since his death was recorded and has became a topic of discussion on the necessity of wrestling safe equipment. He is worthy to be here. [[User:Elton2978|Elton2978]] ([[User talk:Elton2978|talk]]) 20:46, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
:::Circumstances of death are not a reason for someone to be considered internationally famous. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 06:41, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

::::Not everyone is going to get there image put on here, either way! [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 20:20, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
:::::'''Comment''': He was also in ''[[Nacho Libre]]'', playing the antagonist. [[User:The Optimistic One|The Optimistic One]] ([[User talk:The Optimistic One|talk]]) 23:04, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

== [[Ashley Massaro]] ==
We should add her into the page since she was a public known figure, she was a former WWE Diva, she appeared on Survivor, she appeared on some music videos, she posed for Playboy, we should really add her in here, do we all agree? [[User:Elton2978|Elton2978]] ([[User talk:Elton2978|talk]]) 20:48, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
:Again, in a rational world, she wouldn't be notable. And, although appearing on Survivor and in music videos are NOT reasons for inclusion, I suppose she should have a listing. As for an image, it's certainly after the ALL the current commented out listings, so it's probably not going to happen. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 21:00, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

::The image of her doesn't seem to be really appropriate in my opinion. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 00:14, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
:It seems to me like she is only being noted because she has died. She's not internationally known and I see no reason for her to be included in the article at all. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 06:40, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
:::This discussion is about an image being included, nothing else. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 15:08, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
:::::Incorrect, Matt. The discussion is about whether she should be included, as you can see from the first few words of Elton's post. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 12:18, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
::::Also the image doesn't look appropriate either way! [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 01:06, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
::::'''Keep''': Wrestled for WWE, the single biggest wrestling promotion in the world, who has an audience throughout the globe. [[User:The Optimistic One|The Optimistic One]] ([[User talk:The Optimistic One|talk]]) 19:28, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
:::::Do you think that everyone who wrestled for WWE should be included? [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 21:53, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
::::::I believe anyone who was relatively successful in the company should be included. I know that Massaro spent a couple of years at the company, [[WWE Diva Search|won a competition]], and wrestled at ''[[WrestleMania 23|WrestleMania]]'', which is WWE's flagship event. [[User:The Optimistic One|The Optimistic One]] ([[User talk:The Optimistic One|talk]]) 22:49, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
:::::::How are we to keep the Births and Deaths sections of the Year pages to a manageable size if we include everyone who has ever wrestled at WrestleMania? Not to mention everyone who has ever played any international sport, appeared in a film or been on TV? [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 11:23, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
::::::::Look, I know that there's alot of entries being listed and editors want to keep it managable, you should check out 2018's page because that one's really stacked, but Ashley Massaro was known around the globe before her untimely death, most WWE wrestlers are, WWE has a broad reach and tours around the globe. Anyone who was relatively successful with the company is known to most pro wrestling fans. The WrestleMania that Massaro fought in was also the most bought WWE PPV at the time. [[User:The Optimistic One|The Optimistic One]] ([[User talk:The Optimistic One|talk]]) 13:25, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
:::::::Oh, believe me, I have seen what a mess [[2018]] is! Though I have to say I don't know what "Anyone who was relatively successful with the company is known to most pro wrestling fans" has to do with this. Can you really quantify how many wrestling fans there are in the world compared with, say, football fans, basketball fans, etc? [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 13:29, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
::::::::I can't really tell you how many wrestling fans there are wordwide, since there's no definite number, I can tell you however that that the WWE Network is availible in [[WWE Network#Availibility|alot of countries]], so it does have a worldwide appeal. [[User:The Optimistic One|The Optimistic One]] ([[User talk:The Optimistic One|talk]]) 13:46, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

==Proposed removals==
*[[Tim Conway]] - another minor US actor.
*[[Rachel Held Evans]] - had one e-book on the e-book bestseller list in the US. No international notability as far as I can see. (Removed)
*[[Grumpy Cat]] - seriously? An animal famous for its unfortunate appearance and use in advertising?
*[[Pua Magasiva]] - minor TV actor whose death is the only reason he's been heard of outside the Antipodes. (Removed)
*[[Gianni De Michelis]] - article suggests he was little known outside Italy. (Removed)
*[[Nobuo Sekine]] - no apparent international notability. (Removed)
*[[Thomas Silverstein]] - American murderer. No international notability as far as I can see. (Removed)
*[[Freddie Starr]] - was once well-known in the UK, mostly for tabloid stores. Not internationally significant. (Removed)
Throwing open to debate as usual. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 08:09, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

:Agree with your comments and suggestion that they all be removed. [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 08:15, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
:: I disagree with a few of them. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 14:53, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
:::Also Tim Conway wasn't a minor actor just so you know also! [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 14:56, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
: I know the number of different wikis that a person has a page on isn't the standard anymore, but [[Tim Conway]] has a page on 53 different wikis. That seems significant, but I'll agree that his death did not get a lot of international coverage, though I saw at least one Swedish and one Irish article. [[User:Emk9|Emk9]] ([[User talk:Emk9|talk]]) 18:55, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
:: What do you mean by wikia's? [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 18:58, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
::: Other language wikipedias [[User:Emk9|Emk9]] ([[User talk:Emk9|talk]]) 20:43, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Conway should stay, the others are highly debatable except perhaps Grumpy Cat which, like it or not, was a global phenomenon. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:45, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

::Thank you! I agree with Rambling Man. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 01:08, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
:::Can you be clear, [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]]? Are you agreeing that all the others except Conway can go? [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 12:19, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
:::Maybe or maybe not. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 12:39, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
::::Brilliant. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 13:16, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
:::::How about this, Tim Conway and Grumpy Cat stay, the rest can go. Problem solved. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 13:32, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
::::::Why is [[Grumpy Cat]] more notable than [[Boo (dog)]]? I don't recall hearing about either of them before their deaths, although I realize I've seen Grumpy Cat before. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 19:00, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
:::::::Boo was only a facebook celebrity. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 19:02, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
:::::::I think that's patently obvious from the articles and even using that "good old-fashioned how many Wikipedias has an article" (of which Rubin was a staunch defender), puts this little discussion to bed pretty quickly. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:06, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Now can we maybe revisit [[Ashley Massaro]] and [[Silver King (wrestler)]]? It's true they have articles in multiple wikis, but much of that is the increasing trend towards creating articles based on recent new articles in other languages, rather than because they are internationally known. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 06:56, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Why does it bother you? [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 13:41, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
:Because the births and deaths section is way longer than is manageable, as has been discussed and agreed on this page many times before. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 15:27, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
::Has nothing to do with birthdays. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 05:09, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
:::Matt, if you keep posting meaningless comments, people are just going to ignore them. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 07:36, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
::::Some of us already have Deb. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 07:40, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
:::::Meaningless? [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 04:09, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
::::Yes, Matt, meaningless. You seem to answer questions with vague or ambiguous responses, like "Maybe or maybe not" and "Has nothing to do with birthdays". Use complete sentences and good English, be clear about what you are trying to say, and you are more likely to get a positive response. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 07:39, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
::::::Why does it matter how somebody response's? [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 17:27, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
::::::: Because the ability to communicate effectively is [[Wikipedia:Competence_is_required#What_is_meant_by_"Competence_is_required"?|specifically mentioned in WP:CIR]]. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:49, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

==Proposed removals==
They keep creeping in. I propose removing the following:
*[[Diana Athill]] - little known even within the UK (removed)
*[[Betty Ballantine]] - no international notability
*[[O'Neal Compton]] - no international notability (removed)
*[[Desmond Ford]] - no international notability (removed)
*[[Nathan Glazer]] - he has articles in other language wikipedias but is he really widely known outside the US?
*[[Joan Guinjoan]] - not a highly-ranked composer outside Spain (removed)
*[[John Habgood]] - important post in the C of E, but not widely known outside the UK (removed)
*[[Francisco Mañosa]] - no international notability (removed)
*[[John Otho Marsh Jr.]] - still don't see anything to suggest he is known outside the US (removed)
*[[Charles McCarry]] - no international notability (removed)
*[[Aloysius Pang]] - apparently known mainly for his premature death (removed)
*[[Kodi Ramakrishna]] - little known outside Telugu film industry (removed)
*[[Werner Schneyder]] - no international notability (removed)
*[[Armida Siguion-Reyna]] - no international notability (removed)
*[[Jan Wahl]] - no international notability (removed)
*[[Reggie Young]] - no international notability (removed)
Open to discussion. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 20:06, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
:Updated 2 June. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 15:39, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Are you going to keep doing this everytime someone add's a name on here? [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 20:38, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
:That would be a '''perfectly reasonable thing to do''' since consensus for adding people here would be entirely inline with Wikipedia's ethos. Do you have a specific problem with enabling a consensus-led discussion to decide who is and who is not acceptable for this page? [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:40, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
::She does it all the time. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 20:42, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
:::Are you okay Matt? Did you read what I'd written? It's fine to do this. Probably actually beneficial to our readers for us to use consensus to decide who is listed here, rather than the opinion of a few white middle-class American men, don't you think? [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:44, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
::::Why are you asking if I'm okay? [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 20:46, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
:::::As I said, it appeared that you hadn't read what I had written, and not for the first time your responses don't seem to make much sense with relation to the previous discussion. Instead of saying [[WP:CIR]], I just thought checking you were okay was a more collegiate thing to do. If you need any help with anything, let me know. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:57, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
:::::: I don't need help, and yes I did read what you said. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 21:00, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
:::::::Ok, great. So perhaps respond inline with the discussion rather than the continual tangential remarks which really don't expedite us to a conclusion in most situations. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 21:01, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
::::::::Is there a way to change the size of the images so that doesn't become an issue? [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 21:04, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
:::::::::Making them smaller is not an option as they would become too small to easily recognise. Discussing inclusion here is optimal. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 21:09, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
::::::::::Then we would have to remove some of the images due to space and names removed. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 21:20, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
:::::::::::Yes, that's correct. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 21:31, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
::::::::::::If there's a little bit of space available only a small image can be added not big one. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 23:12, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Logically yes. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 07:49, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
:The discussion is entertaining (for all the wrong reasons) but it would be nice to have some views on the individuals listed. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 08:49, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
::I disagree with [[Betty Ballantine]]. She was probably among the top 5 notable (worldwide) science fiction and fantasy publishers. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 09:53, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
:::If that's the case, someone needs to expand her article, because at the moment it makes her sound a fairly minor writer.[[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 11:46, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
::::I already removed her from the article, if you want to re-add the name back then feel free to do so. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 13:33, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
::::Her article offers no sign of the sort of notability to be featured on this list. Even fails the traditional "nine Wikipedias" (or whatever) rule with a paltry "one other Wiki" appearance. Dismal. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:40, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

==Proposed removals==
I propose removing the following recent additions:
*[[Carmine Caridi]], actor - no international reputation (removed)
*[[Dennis Etchison]], minor writer (removed)
*[[Thad Cochran]], unremarkable politician (removed)
*[[Frank Lucas]], criminal (removed)

Open to debate. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 15:36, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

I removed Thad Cochran. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 15:40, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

::Now I removed Dennis Etchison. Also I replace at least 1 image with a small one instead. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 16:25, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
:::Updated. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 08:17, 10 June 2019 (UTC)


Why does what Lucas did matter? Not only does he have the 18 different wikipedia languages, he infact has more page views internationally then in the US. [https://tools.wmflabs.org/langviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&range=all-time&sort=views&direction=1&view=list&page=Frank_Lucas]. For a total of 2,681,725. We can't pick and choose based on ethics here. [[User:GuzzyG|GuzzyG]] ([[User talk:GuzzyG|talk]]) 06:39, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

== June 3–5 – U.S. President Donald Trump makes a state visit to the United Kingdom. ==

May be it is not first state visit to United Kingdom by President Donald Trump. Perhaps first visit was on 13 July 2018.

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:The previous visit wasn't a ''state'' visit, it was a private visit. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 08:17, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

== [[June 3]] ==

I think it better that it remain linked, in spite of [[WP:OVERLINK]]

* [[June 3]]&ndash;[[June 6|6]] &ndash; ...
* [[June 3]] &ndash; ...

— [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 10:28, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

==Proposed removals==
I'd like to propose the removal of the following from the Deaths section:
*[[Atsushi Aoki]] - sumo wrestler notable for dying in an accident
*[[Analía Gadé]] - appeared in a lot of Argentine films but no international notability (removed)
*[[Sean McCann (actor)]] - little international notability (removed)
*[[Glauco Sansovini]] - important in San Marino, but the equivalent of a local politician in most countries (removed)
*[[Peggy Stewart (actress)]] - although she has some international coverage, she is really little known outside the US and probably within the US too. (removed)
As usual, open to debate. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 08:33, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
Also, [[David Winters (choreographer)]] - fame seems to rest on having been once nominated for an Emmy.[[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 08:35, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
:* Agree with all of those. The coverage for Peggy Stewart was actually a lot less than I expected, but perhaps that's down to "I know who she is, she must be famous" syndrome! [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 10:08, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
::In my opinion some should stay. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 22:37, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
:::I erased Glauco Sansovini. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 22:47, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
::: Which ones and why? It's completely pointless making that comment if you don't explain yourself. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 23:42, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
:Updated. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 09:56, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

How is the head of state of a country [[San Marino]], "the equivalent of a local politician in most countries"? These removals based on one or two peoples opinion who seem to have no knowledge of the things they remove are not a good direction. A professional wrestler is not a sumo wrestler, not all Asian wrestlers are Sumo wrestlers. Also if a "sumo" wrestler who was one of the biggest champions in his country gets to be dismissed as "only notable because of his death" because noone here understands japanese culture. then why are people like [[Bart Starr]] listed? definition of no international notability. especially if a head of state gets dismissed like that too. [[User:GuzzyG|GuzzyG]] ([[User talk:GuzzyG|talk]]) 06:41, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
:It's about a lot of things: ''international'' notability, cultural balance (far more Americans have been removed than Japanese people), gender balance, recentism, etc. Oh, and I agree Bart Starr shouldn't be listed but I was outvoted on that one; that's what they call consensus and that's how wikipedia works.[[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 08:41, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
::No, that's the failure of your system in effect, that the head of state of countries and celebrities in other, non-western countries are being outvoted by American and European people, while American celebrities who fail exactly the same requirement are voted in. [[Asashōryū Akinori]] wouldn't pass the "international notability" standard voted on by 2-5 people, yet Bart Starr does, that's consensus maybe, but that just goes to show that this consensus will never achieve a truly diverse goal. Because no group of people except maybe 300 names in history, have truly international household name recognition. By your method, no sumo wrestler will qualify for not being "international enough", in your eyes [[Sadaharu Oh]] would not either, by denying people highly significant in one country like Japan a listing because American/European people can't recognize them, it says alot about your method and how it will ultimately fail in making this list diverse as Western figures dominate a primarily western news industry which influences a false sense of importance. [[Ma Long (table tennis)|Ma Long]] and [[Lin Dan]] wouldn't make the list under your (new, undiscussed in a wide-ranging RFC) method, but [[Yao Ming]] would, which means you're forcing Asian people to be seen through Western culture and a Western definition of "recognition" and that's a unfair barrier to anyone not in Europe/America/Oceania, especially when you just outright dismissed this figure as only known because he died and stereotyped his field. [[User:GuzzyG|GuzzyG]] ([[User talk:GuzzyG|talk]]) 10:41, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
:::No, that's not what I did. I thought about it carefully before I proposed it. And I agree we have problems with consensus versus balance. Small steps are the only way forward. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 11:23, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
:::I agree, it's a tricky situation that requires balance, although i do think we should have a lower standard for people and occupations from other regions in the world. For example if someone is a household name in China or India, they're going to be more known then someone who is a household name in the US, Australia and Europe combined and so being known internationally should not be as important for them. It's something that should be taking into consideration anyway. PS: regarding your message on my talk page, sure we can work together on the list; i will keep a eye out for future discussions to offer my opinion, thanks. [[User:GuzzyG|GuzzyG]] ([[User talk:GuzzyG|talk]]) 09:48, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
{{od}} As a fan of professional wrestling, I'm a bit surprised that [[Atsushi Aoki]] (a '''professional wrestler''', not sumo), is removed. Aoki was one of the most populaur wrestlers in Japanese wrestling (which has a big fanbase in Western countries), for many years. To say that he's only known because of how he died is very insulting. He should be re-listed. [[User:The Optimistic One|The Optimistic One]] ([[User talk:The Optimistic One|talk]]) 19:08, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
::::That's an option. Unfortunately, not enough people are participating in these debates. It looks like there may now be a majority to retain Aoki in this section, and you can feel free to add him back. I'm pleased to see that his death is at least listed in [[2019 in Japan]]. All too often editors are adding people to the main Year articles without even looking at Year in Topic. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 08:40, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
:::::I think ALL heads of state should be listed when they die, even if they aren't household names or they come from small countries. By the way, San Mariano is a Western Country. [[User:Michael E Nolan|Michael E Nolan]] ([[User talk:Michael E Nolan|talk]]) 19:06, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

== Eclipses ==
See [[WT:YEARS#Eclipses]] for a matter relevant to this page. [[User:Arthur Rubin (alternate)|Arthur Rubin (alternate)]] ([[User talk:Arthur Rubin (alternate)|talk]]) 23:08, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

== Lee Iacocca Image ==

I think an image of Lee Iacocca should be added given his status as a giant in automotive history. Not only was he the CEO of Chrysler and succeeded in bringing that company back from the brink, but he was also instrumental in the creation of the minivan body-style and the Ford Mustang. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.15.96.72|68.15.96.72]] ([[User talk:68.15.96.72#top|talk]]) 22:05, 5 July 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Who? [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 22:09, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
::I agree, level 5 figure and some obits described him as second to Henry Ford. [[User:GuzzyG|GuzzyG]] ([[User talk:GuzzyG|talk]]) 10:56, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
:::"level 5 figure" is meaningless as selected by, at most, three or four editors in some odd corner of Wikipedia. No image required. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 10:59, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
::::Yeah, i am one of those "four" and i am someone who dedicates 24/7 (not just for wikipedia, my own independent project) to checking google ngrams, google trends, google scholar results, worldcat results, listings in other biographical dictionaries/encyclopedias, wikipedias own pageviews and edits and various other statistics and compiles them to find people from every field representing a diverse bunch. It may be above YOUR head that one person can sufficiently guess notable people from multiple things, but it's a completely accurate endeavor. I've put over 5 years and thousands of hours into building such a enterprise, who are you to say it's meaningless? You see a Youtuber/Kim Kardashian or some other field you think is tabloid and you dismiss the whole list because you fail to see trends in historicity, that doesn't taint the whole list. [https://imgur.com/gallery/4VNQuGh] look at a excel sheet like that, then consider i have one for every field in exactly the same way covering the whole list and over 50, 000 names not on the list, and think, maybe it is possible for a small bunch of people to accurately pick a list of "vital articles" based on statistics and the activity surrounding them. Can you tell me a better way? 50 people who have not done zero research voting off of what they think? [[User:GuzzyG|GuzzyG]] ([[User talk:GuzzyG|talk]]) 16:43, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
:::::It's just your opinion, as it is ours. And "vital articles" really isn't taken seriously other than within its own four walls I'm afraid. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 16:59, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
::::::No, it's not my opinion - i don't have a opinion on any of these subjects, i purely go off of the research and statistics. You can consider "tattoo artists deserve representation because of how common they are, despite the mainstream coverage" then yes, a opinion but as a encyclopedia i would hope covering most things is a common opinion. I am not fussed by such open dismissal, as it's led me to pursue a completely different project, that will be independent of Wikipedia and for that i am blessed (and have stopped working on the level 5 list). But that doesn't mean that the level 5 list is wrong, it just covers fields that a traditional encyclopedia would not in a way, but if the point of the list is to find articles that would be good to have a featured article on then yes, i would think the coverage of everything would be a good thing. I just have to refute the image that the list has accrued of it being a bunch of editors favorite people or something, actual time and effort has went into it, it's just (me being the person with the most edits on the list) i strongly believe on such a list, as many things as possible deserve representation, so say instead of 150 soccer people, we have 110 and 50 niche sports people. That's all, i don't care about what people think of the list 99% of the time, but i do care when it's dismissed as just a hastily thrown together rubbish list with no merit either. [[User:GuzzyG|GuzzyG]] ([[User talk:GuzzyG|talk]]) 17:19, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
:::::::No matter how you spin it, even using a spreadsheet, it's still down to opinion, whether that's how someone's significance is weighted against another's. That's irrefutable. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 17:25, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

== Sutopo Purwo Nugroho ==

There was an importance tag added by him, so I’ll explain why I think he’s notable. Whenever natural disasters happened in Indonesia, he was the guy who reported on them, and that received a bunch of coverage outside of Indonesia during his lifetime. That and that his death received a bunch of coverage outside of Indonesia makes me believe that he is notable enough for that page. [[User:JoeyRuss|JoeyRuss]] ([[User talk:JoeyRuss|talk]]) 22:41, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
:Can you explain why his death wasn't notable enough to be included in [[2019 in Indonesia]]? [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 21:54, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
::The page itself hasn’t been edited in over a month, which only shows that it’s not a page people edit very often. In Indonesia, there is plenty of coverage of his death in there, it’s just that no one has added it yet. I’m sure if someone added him there he would be accepted without question. And just because nobody added that there doesn’t deter the fact that his death had plenty of coverage outside of Indonesia, showing that he is deserving of a spot on this page. If he didn’t have that coverage outside Indonesia, I wouldn’t be arguing for his inclusion. [[User:JoeyRuss|JoeyRuss]] ([[User talk:JoeyRuss|talk]]) 02:18, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
:::I'm just pointing out that those who have an interest in these matters should be going to Year in Topic ''first'', before adding entries to the main Year article. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 08:38, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

== Cameron Boyce ==

There seems to be a bit of an editing war around him, so I think it’s probably a good idea to start this for him. I note that a lot of people in my generation really do love him and are probably the ones removing the importance tag on him, but I’m personally neutral on him, at least for now. [[User:JoeyRuss|JoeyRuss]] ([[User talk:JoeyRuss|talk]]) 03:29, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
:Count me as someone from the same generation (born 1998) who doesn't think he should be considered important enough to have an image of him up (have no issue with him being included on the death list however) - certainly not at the expense of [[João Gilberto]], who was a fairly significant figure not just in bossa nova but also by extension jazz. Much of his work, particularly with [[Stan Getz]] are considered iconic and highly influential. [[User:Thescrubbythug|Thescrubbythug]] ([[User talk:Thescrubbythug|talk]]) 09:28, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
::OK, there's still not enough room for his image, if the President of Argentina is to be included. Still, I would consider leaving the importance tag off IF his image was deleted from consideration, not just commented out. Think we can reach consensus? — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 09:53, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
:::I can agree to that, yeah. [[User:Thescrubbythug|Thescrubbythug]] ([[User talk:Thescrubbythug|talk]]) 11:03, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
::::I don't see why he's on the list at all. How does he compare with the other American "celebs" on the list in terms of international fame and significance? [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 12:15, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
:I alert you to this discussion {{ping|Fargo44}}. [[User:Thescrubbythug|Thescrubbythug]] ([[User talk:Thescrubbythug|talk]]) 12:41, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

:@[[User:Deb]] [[Cameron Boyce]] should be on the list (with or without a picture) because of the lives he saved in the third world via [[The Thirst Project]], he is responsible for giving clean drinking water to countless of people who would have died of fatal diseases caught from contaminated water, those people don't deserve health or a decent life to you or are you just ignorant of the work he did? - [[User:Adler1997]] <!--Template:Undated--><small class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 02:41, 14 July 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

[[User:Thescrubbythug|Thescrubbythug]] ([[User talk:Thescrubbythug|talk]] Just because YOU haven't heard of [[Cameron Boyce]] until his untimely death doesn't mean he wasn't an actor, philanthropist, and Dancer/Musician. You're suggesting too add a picture of someone that is only known in their country, but not someone that is internationally known as Cameron Boyce? Again, just because YOU never heard of him until he died doesn't mean he's non-existent. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Fargo44|Fargo44]] ([[User talk:Fargo44#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fargo44|contribs]]) 20:25, 10 July 2019 (UTC)</small>
:What a strange comment. For a start, Scrubbythug never said that he hadn't heard of him, though I freely admit I hadn't. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 22:19, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
:::Whether Cameron Boyce is included in the deaths section or not, I don’t think he did enough to deserve a picture. If you want an entertainment figure there, the likes of João Gilberto and Rip Torn are much more worthy of a picture than Cameron Boyce as they did much more in their life then Cameron did. [[User:JoeyRuss|JoeyRuss]] ([[User talk:JoeyRuss|talk]]) <!--Template:Undated--><small class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 23:40, 10 July 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:For the record, just so there isn't any confusion - [[User:Deb|Deb]] is correct. I never insinuated that I hadn't heard of Cameron Boyce - as a matter of fact, I had heard of him before he died and knew him from his role in [[Grown Ups (film)|Grown Ups]]. However, I'm firmly of the view that there are far more significant figures that should take precedence over him when it comes to the image section - such as [[João Gilberto]] and [[Rip Torn]] for entertainment, as suggested by [[User:JoeyRuss|JoeyRuss]]. That seems to be the general consensus here, which up to now you seem to be dismissing with contempt {{ping|Fargo44}}. Furthermore, there are people here who also argue that Boyce isn't notable enough to be included on the list - let alone have his photo up. Personally I'm not too fussed either way when it comes to that argument, but Boyce wasn't exactly a household name - certainly not outside of North America. Perhaps he should be kept on the [[2019 in the United States]] rather than then main [[2019]] page. What does everyone think? [[User:Thescrubbythug|Thescrubbythug]] ([[User talk:Thescrubbythug|talk]]) 01:01, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
::That's certainly my feeling on it. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 07:47, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
::@[[User:Thescrubbythug|Thescrubbythug]] Why do you say "Boyce wasn't exactly a household name - certainly not outside of North America." Even though he's internationally known. MOST of the people on the 2019 deaths category don't have the name recognition on an international level. You suggest [[João Gilberto]] whose only predominately known within the confines of Latin America should get a picture? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Adler1997|Adler1997]] ([[User talk:Adler1997#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Adler1997|contribs]]) 02:58, 14 July 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:::On the point of [[João Gilberto]], I already made my case in favour of him. It's true that his primary base of fame was Latin America, however his influence and importance in both jazz and especially bossa nova and its development made him an iconic figure internationally among the music community, and warrants the inclusion of his photo. [[Getz/Gilberto]] alone ensures his place in music history, being consistently cited as among the best albums of all time, let alone just among the best jazz and bossa nova albums. --[[User:Thescrubbythug|Thescrubbythug]] ([[User talk:Thescrubbythug|talk]]) 06:04, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

[[Cameron Boyce]] clearly had more of an international name recognition than more than half of the people on the entire list of people who died in 2019, not to mention in the month on July. There's only a handful of the pictures of people who has a greater international recognition compared to Cameron Boyce, for example [[Ross Perot]] deserves a picture more than Boyce, but Boyce more so than [[Fernando de la Rúa]] who is only known mainly in Argentina. - [[User:Adler1997]] <!--Template:Undated--><small class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 20:05, 13 July 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:I feel like especially when it comes to the main 2019 page, we should try and avoid being very America-centric and to assume that because someone is very well-known within North America, this automatically means the same internationally. This applies to both Boyce and to a lesser extent [[Ross Perot]], whose most notable achievement was to win almost 20% of the vote as an independent in the [[1992 United States presidential election]]. [[Cameron Boyce]] is arguably less well-known internationally than say, [[Freddie Starr]] or [[Freddie Jones]] - both of whom were major celebrities within the British Isles - yet the decision has been made to not include either of them, as {{ping|Deb}} can explain. Somebody who has made it to the office of President or any equivalent which marks the highest office of power of any major state - as [[Fernando de la Rúa]] achieved - deserve to be prioritised. [[User:Thescrubbythug|Thescrubbythug]] ([[User talk:Thescrubbythug|talk]]) 02:48, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
:: @[[User talk:Thescrubbythug]] [[Cameron Boyce]] is known internationally based on his philanthropic and non-governmental organizational work. He is internationally known. That being said I 100% agree with you that the 2019 death list and pictures shouldn't be American-centric, but that isn't the criticism people are basing their disagreement on Cameron Boyce being included on the list on, they're basing it on that he's 'not important', even though he is known outside of North America. He's quite a bit more internationally recognized than [[Freddie Starr]] or [[Freddie Jones]]. -[[User:Adler1997]] <!--Template:Undated--><small class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 03:06, 14 July 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

::Let's not assume, instead, let's look at some sources. For example [https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/film/disney-star-cameron-boyce-dies-aged-20-family-confirm-1.3949239 The Irish Times], [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/2019/07/11/disney-dream-tragic-teen-cameron-boyce-cusp-indie-film-stardom/ The Telegraph (UK)], [https://www.indiatoday.in/movies/hollywood/story/disney-actor-cameron-boyce-dies-at-20-1563877-2019-07-07 India Today], [https://www.straitstimes.com/lifestyle/entertainment/disney-star-cameron-boyce-20-dies-in-his-sleep The Straits Times (Singapore)], [http://chinaplus.cri.cn/news/showbiz/14/20190708/313691.html China Plus], [https://koktail.pravda.sk/hviezdne-kauzy/clanok/518294-v-noci-nahle-zomrel-len-20-rocny-herec-cameron-boyce/ Pravda (Slovakia)], [https://tribune.com.pk/story/2008199/4-disney-star-cameron-boyce-jessie-passes-away-age-20/ Express Tribune (Pakistan)]. These are just a few examples of international coverage of his death that I found. I think there is considerable evidence that he was internationally well-known. [[User:Railfan23|Railfan23]] ([[User talk:Railfan23|talk]]) 03:09, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
:::@[[User talk:Railfan23]] Thank You for these sources! Now, [[User:Deb]], [[User:Thescrubbythug]], and [[User talk:JoeyRuss]] be my guest and explain how [[Singapore]], [[India]], [[China]], [[Slovakia]], [[United Kingdom]], [[Ireland]], etc are 'North America'? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Adler1997|Adler1997]] ([[User talk:Adler1997#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Adler1997|contribs]]) 03:19, 14 July 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::::I was staying neutral on that and didn’t say anything about him being only American centric. However, those articles above now make me believe that he should be included on this. I still don’t think his picture should be allowed though. [[User:JoeyRuss|JoeyRuss]] ([[User talk:JoeyRuss|talk]]) 05:21, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
::::: For whatever its worth, I agree that he probably doesn't warrant a photo, but I do agree he should be included in the list. [[User:Railfan23|Railfan23]] ([[User talk:Railfan23|talk]]) 05:26, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
We are not just US-centric, we are highly focused on the English-speaking world and in particular on mass media. Thus (just for example) football, which has a strong media presence internationally, gets far more attention than any other sport. An English Premier League club footballer (of which there are about 300) gets more attention than someone who has broken a world record in athletics. Likewise, a minor actor like Cameron Boyce can get as much attention as someone who has won several Oscars. Add recentism to this and you multiply the problem. If we continue to ignore these issues, we just make the English Wikipedia less representative of the worldwide readership. So I personally say no to the idea of including Boyce, realising that I will probably be outvoted. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 07:07, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
:If you're worried about English only, then try these [https://www.stuttgarter-nachrichten.de/inhalt.nach-tod-des-jungen-schauspielers-dove-cameron-weint-um-cameron-boyce.900c0b0f-43f1-4cc6-a0bf-037e6557303d.html German], [https://www.parismatch.com/People/Le-pere-de-Cameron-Boyce-partage-une-photo-de-son-fils-prise-quelques-heures-avant-sa-mort-1636496 French], [https://www.afpbb.com/articles/-/3234112 Japanese], [https://www.visir.is/g/2019190709187 Icelandic], [https://www.dagbladet.no/kjendis/familien-bekrefter-dodsarsaken/71386659 Norwegian], [https://www.protothema.gr/life-style/Hollywood/article/906532/cameron-boyce-apo-ti-pethane-o-20hronos-ithopoios/ Greek] etc. [[User:Railfan23|Railfan23]] ([[User talk:Railfan23|talk]]) 07:39, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
::You're missing my point. English-speaking "celebrities" get more worldwide exposure ''because'' they are English-speaking and their programmes are syndicated in other countries (sometimes dubbed). That doesn't make them of greater worldwide significance. I'd put money on Boyce being virtually unknown outside the 10-30 age group, in any country. As for the "philanthropy", most celebrities now participate very visibly in charity events, so it's no longer anything to write home about. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 07:59, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
::: I'd agree here. I suspect a lot of the coverage of his death was exactly that - because it was a story in itself, a 20-year-old dying. More useful is to look at the coverage he was getting ''before'' his death - and I'm not seeing very much at all outside listings and press releases; there's the odd story about him, mostly on entertainment websites and/or magazines, and the vast majority of that ''is'' exclusively US-based, so I'm not convinced he rises to the level of an entry on the main year page. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 23:48, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
::::All I will add at this stage is that I am in full agreement with what has been said by [[User:Deb|Deb]] and [[User:Black Kite|Black Kite]]. I'm ultimately not too bothered if Boyce is added to the list, but my preference (and vote if there is one) would be against adding him. And he should be left out until a firm consensus is reached here. [[User:Thescrubbythug|Thescrubbythug]] ([[User talk:Thescrubbythug|talk]]) 04:50, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
:::::If we're being strict he should not be on. Yes, we should represent different age groups and audiences on this list, but to Boyce's generation, YouTubers are more notable than actors and thus if this was a prominent YouTuber i'd be in support, but Boyce has never had any major, leading roles in major films and thus i don't think being in a television film and television series makes you sufficiently internationally notable to be on a strict list. If he's still as known in 10 or 20 years, he can be re-added here. [[User:GuzzyG|GuzzyG]] ([[User talk:GuzzyG|talk]]) 11:04, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
::::::[[User talk:GuzzyG]] Your statement "Boyce has never had any major, leading roles in major films" is factually incorrect. [[Cameron Boyce]] was actually in movies that were on the 'Big Screen' (i.e. in Theatres) the most notable being [[Grown Ups (film)|Grown Ups]]'', and ''[[Grown Ups 2]]. So, you're comment that he was only in Television movies is inaccurate. -[[User:Adler1997|Adler1997]] ([[User talk:Adler1997|talk]]) <!--Template:Undated--><small class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 01:21, 16 July 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:::::::You're both right and wrong. Boyce was indeed in both films, but he didn't play a major, leading role in either of them. Nor are the films exactly critically well-received or iconic (even for [[Adam Sandler]]'s standards). [[User:Thescrubbythug|Thescrubbythug]] ([[User talk:Thescrubbythug|talk]]) 02:56, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
:I'll propose a compromise. How about [[Cameron Boyce]] gets neither his name on the list nor a picture until the end of July? -[[User:Adler1997|Adler1997]] ([[User talk:Adler1997|talk]]) comment added 01:30, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
::In what way is that a compromise? Are you expecting him to star in some more films by the end of this month? [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 13:08, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Deb|Deb]] It's a compromise because it's a wait and see to see if more notable people die before the end of the month. Also, he has posthumous roles coming out in the near future. -[[User:Adler1997|Adler1997]] ([[User talk:Adler1997|talk]])
::::Sorry, the first part of that makes no sense. Even if no more people die before the end of the month, he still won't be of international significance. The only thing that could change that is if one of his posthumous roles causes him to become truly world-famous, and we might not know that for years. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 07:14, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) He was already world famous prior to his death. He had a global fanbase, considering the media coverage of him. You admittedly never heard of him. Have you ever Googled him? -[[User:Adler1997|Adler1997]] ([[User talk:Adler1997|talk]]) <!--Template:Undated--><small class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 08:50, 17 July 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::::::You're repeating yourself now. Others have explained why this argument is inadequate. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 10:18, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) No, only YOU have "explained" why the argument was "inadequate", you denied he was mentioned in international publications, then after you were proved wrong you moved the goal post. -[[User:Adler1997|Adler1997]] ([[User talk:Adler1997|talk]]) <!--Template:Undated--><small class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 12:01, 17 July 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::: Indeed. His film and TV career is nowhere near enough to gain him a place on this list, so we're really only talking about the actual impact of his death. Whilst his death ''itself'' was covered internationally, that coverage does not appear to have been continued, so I don't believe he merits a place here. [[2019_in_the_United_States]] is sufficient. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 14:55, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
::::@[[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] It's not a question that he did "nowhere near enough to gain him a place on this list" but rather, that you ignore his career. Of course you'll think he didn't do that much if you don't pay attention to his work he took part in. -[[User:Adler1997|Adler1997]] ([[User talk:Adler1997|talk]])
:::::I think we've come to the point where you could benefit from reading [[Wikipedia:Drop the stick and back slowly away from the horse carcass]]. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 12:33, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) How come? I'm simply calling out the whole contradiction that most of the people on the list are NOT notable compared to [[Cameron Boyce]] but are still on the list and have pictures. To be consistent with YOUR reasoning that Boyce shouldn't be on the list you'll have to purge quite a bit of people already on the list. Finally, you never explained why you moved the goalpost after you were proved wrong on Boyce being mentioned in international publications, you denied he was even brought up on the international level, you had no genuine reply and resorted to the "[[Wikipedia:Drop the stick and back slowly away from the horse carcass]]". You could just say "Oh, I was unaware of his global influence", but you try to shut the whole debate down because you're too embarrassed. -[[User:Adler1997|Adler1997]] ([[User talk:Adler1997|talk]]) 3:32 p.m., 20 July 2019 (UTC)
:::::::Unfortunately for you, I prefer to follow [[Wikipedia:Don't take the bait|this advice]].[[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 15:45, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) And that's fine you don't have to "take the bait". However, that means you're willing to live with advocating in favour of removing notable celebrities from the 2019 death list because you have the no idea who that specific celebrity is. The world isn't the [[Group mind (science fiction)|Hive Mind]] you think it is, but people know people that you might not know. Seems crazy, but it's true! -[[User:Adler1997|Adler1997]] ([[User talk:Adler1997|talk]]) 20:12 UTC
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:::::::::Looking at this from the outside of specifically discussing it, Deb seems to be coming at this from the "established Wikipedia policy and guidelines" end, whereas you seem to be coming at it from the [[WP:ILIKEIT]] end. You're positing his notability relative to others on the list seemingly by how much [[WP:OR|you ''think'' he's done]] and not citing '''specific''' examples of [[WP:V|extensive secondary reliable significant coverage]] he received in life, which other people have looked for and determined to not be extensive enough to have him be high priority for an image in-page. (Further, you asked at Cameron Boyce's talk page about the question this section asks after making several edits here in the discussion, which could look like an attempt at [[WP:canvassing|canvassing]]--it's not always inappropriate to post about a discussion to talk pages of articles it's related to, but you seem to have a clear bias, which can make your motives look more like canvassing.)</p><p>I don't want to imply new users can't be knowledgable on topics or policy, but it might help you to read up on the [[WP:guidelines|guidelines]] and [[WP:policy|policy]] concerning things like [[WP:notability|notability]], [[WP:RS|sources]], and the like, both to understand where other, more experienced editors' arguments are coming from (it's usually not about how they feel about a person! o.o) and to give yourself the knowledge to make good arguments rooted in policy instead of emotionally-coming across like a [[WP:SPA]]. (Which I'm not claiming you are, BTW, despite the relative lack of edits elsewhere in your contributions.) Deb cited the pages they did because you seem to be taking the argument in circles.</p><p>In regards to the discussion here, as someone who likes Cameron's work (I first saw him on Jessie way back when) and thinks he seemed like a pretty cool person, I still don't think he rises to the level of notability as far as level of coverage while alive (comparative to others on this list) to warrant an image here, so I agree with Deb, Black Kite, et al. - [[User:Purplewowies|Purplewowies]] ([[User talk:Purplewowies|talk]]) 22:44, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Cameron Boyce made more news in the United States than possibly everyone else in July barring Ross Perot. [[User:Ac130hgunr|Ac130hgunr]] ([[User talk:Ac130hgunr|talk]]) 19:46, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
:The discussion wasn't about whether or not he got sufficient coverage/is relevant enough in the United States {{ping|Ac130hgunr}}. That point would be relevant if this discussion took place on the [[2019 in the United States]] page. [[User:Thescrubbythug|Thescrubbythug]] ([[User talk:Thescrubbythug|talk]]) 10:56, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

==Freddie Jones==

Actor who had a career for over 60 years, should he be added? [[Special:Contributions/78.108.56.35|78.108.56.35]] ([[User talk:78.108.56.35|talk]]) 21:12, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
:I'd say not. He's primarily known here in the UK but by no means a household name. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 22:18, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

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==Dates==
Why is the month first? In Ireland, and other parts of the world, we go by DD/MM/YYYY like it should be. These type of articles feels too Americanised. [[User:The Optimistic One|The Optimistic One]] ([[User talk:The Optimistic One|talk]]) 20:48, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
:{{u|The Optimistic One}}, The editors who first put these articles together were American? In any case, consistency among year articles seems to override the normal "first non-stub" choice guideline. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 10:25, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

== epstein ==

why is there no mention of jeffrey epstein here?, it has received international coverage as well. [[Special:Contributions/78.108.56.35|78.108.56.35]] ([[User talk:78.108.56.35|talk]]) 16:11, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
:Has he died? [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 17:16, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
::famous billionaire arrested for sex trafficking, friends with many famous people, much international coverage [[Special:Contributions/78.108.56.35|78.108.56.35]] ([[User talk:78.108.56.35|talk]]) 19:05, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
:::Many people get arrested for many things. It doesn't mean they should go into an annual encyclopedic global synopsis. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:15, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
::::Unless the conspiracy theorists are proven right, that he was murdered while in custody, Epstein was nothing more than a wealthy criminal who does not deserve a mention here. [[User:Michael E Nolan|Michael E Nolan]] ([[User talk:Michael E Nolan|talk]]) 19:12, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

== may 30 the chosun ilbo ==

"May 30 – South Korean newspaper The Chosun Ilbo reports that North Korea executed nuclear envoy Kim Hyok-chol and four other diplomats in March after the failed February Hanoi summit with the United States. The newspaper also reports that Kim Yong-chol, a top aide to Kim Jong-un, was sentenced to hard labor during the purge."

Should this paragraph be updated to include the fact that Kim Hyok-chol is actually alive as there were photos of him alive in June? [[Special:Contributions/78.108.56.35|78.108.56.35]] ([[User talk:78.108.56.35|talk]]) 18:53, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
:Probably, if there is a [[WP:RS|reliable source]] for the information. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 03:01, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
::I confused Kim Hyok-chol with Kim Yong-chol, but sources have said Hyok-chol was still alive, so maybe someone could include that the report by The Chosun Ilbo is disputed https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/03/asia/north-korea-diplomats-intl/index.html. [[Special:Contributions/78.108.56.35|78.108.56.35]] ([[User talk:78.108.56.35|talk]]) 13:58, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

== John Paul Stevens image ==

Should [[John Paul Stevens]] be considered significant enough to have his image up on death list? It seems he was an Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court - but is that really notable enough to have his image put up on the main [[2019]] page? In my view an image would be appropriate for [[2019 in the United States]], but not elsewhere - much like with [[Ross Perot]]. --[[User:Thescrubbythug|Thescrubbythug]] ([[User talk:Thescrubbythug|talk]]) 16:49, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
:I agree that his image shouldn’t be up there. If he was the Chief Justice, then that would be a different question, but he’s not. [[User:JoeyRuss|JoeyRuss]] ([[User talk:JoeyRuss|talk]]) 21:46, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
:I also agree. His main claim to fame seems to be that he served for a long time. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 13:47, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
::Agree--mention but no image. [[User:Michael E Nolan|Michael E Nolan]] ([[User talk:Michael E Nolan|talk]]) 19:14, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
:Yeah, I think in light of the (far-stricter) criteria we now have in place, I think Stevens should be removed entirely. Domestic figure who belongs in [[2019 in the United States]]. Also pinging {{ping|Jim Michael}} on this. [[User:TheScrubby|TheScrubby]] ([[User talk:TheScrubby|talk]]) 10:19, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
::I agree, he was a domestic figure, so he has no place on this article. [[User:Jim Michael|Jim Michael]] ([[User talk:Jim Michael|talk]]) 10:53, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

== Yukiya Amano ==

I think IAEA Director Yukiya Amano's death is notable enough to add to the deaths section, he died 18 July [[Special:Contributions/78.108.56.35|78.108.56.35]] ([[User talk:78.108.56.35|talk]]) 20:31, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
:I added him, as head of a important international agency, he qualifies. [[User:GuzzyG|GuzzyG]] ([[User talk:GuzzyG|talk]]) 18:52, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

==Some proposed removals==
I propose we remove the following from the Deaths section:
*[[Anandavally]] - unknown outside the Malayalam film industry (removed)
*[[Kumar Bhattacharyya, Baron Bhattacharyya]] - not even well known in the UK (removed)
*[[Carol Emshwiller]] - author who has won some prizes in the US but appears to have no international following (removed)
*[[Fred Malek]] - unknown outside the US (removed)
*[[Rosemary Bryant Mariner]] - US pilot; okay, maybe she would be internationally known if she had been unique but she was actually one of six recruited at the same time
*[[Nechama Rivlin]] - known in Israel through her husband, and outside Israel not at all
*[[Jaime Rosenthal]] - Minor politician who kept applying to be President of Honduras but never actually was (removed)
*[[Sebastiano Tusa]] - Italian archaeologist and regional politician, with no international notability (removed)
*[[Valeria Valeri]] - Italian actress, no international notability (removed)
*[[Izzy Young]] - Folk musician unknown outside Greenwich Village and Sweden (removed)
Views welcome. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 17:54, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
:'''Support''': None of these seems internationally notable, except maybe [[Rosemary Bryant Mariner]]? I'm not sure about her though. [[User:The Optimistic One|The Optimistic One]] ([[User talk:The Optimistic One|talk]]) 00:16, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
:'''Support''' removing all of them, would we list every countries version of Mariner? if not, we shouldn't list her because then we're just taking into account USA specific accomplishments. Rivlin is the hardest pick though, because [[Melania Trump]] would be on here, but she's a internationally reported on figure and it's proven that other first ladies can become internationally notable like [[Winnie Madikizela-Mandela]] so still i think Rivlin does not rise to the ranks. [[User:GuzzyG|GuzzyG]] ([[User talk:GuzzyG|talk]]) 00:18, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
:'''Maybe''' keep [[Nechama Rivlin]], but definitely '''support''' removing all the rest. Also thoughts on removing [[Denise Nickerson]] {{ping|Deb}}? [[User:Thescrubbythug|Thescrubbythug]] ([[User talk:Thescrubbythug|talk]]) 12:06, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
::Personally I'd remove Nickerson. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 11:39, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
:'''Keep''' I'm in favor of keeping [[Nechama Rivlin]] and i agree on removing the rest of them. --[[User:ThatBaileyLad|ThatBaileyLad]] ([[User talk:ThatBaileyLad|talk]]) 19:29, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

== 2019 Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests ==

The [[2019 Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests]] is probably one of notable event in 2019. This is an important event in terms of international legal co-operation, as well as Chinese modern legal history.
There are series of notable protest that "breaking the history".
I suggest to added 9 June, 12 June, 15 June, 16 June, 1 July, 21 July and 5 August protest which is most notable protest that may probably change our history. [[User:Joeccho|Joeccho]] ([[User talk:Joeccho|talk]]) 10:40, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

== jeffrey epstein ==

I think he is notable enough to get an image in the deaths section [[Special:Contributions/78.108.56.35|78.108.56.35]] ([[User talk:78.108.56.35|talk]]) 13:40, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

::Not everyone is going to get there image put on here. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 17:46, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
:::But why wouldn't he? [[Special:Contributions/78.108.56.35|78.108.56.35]] ([[User talk:78.108.56.35|talk]]) 18:09, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
::::Partly because there isn't room. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 18:34, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
:::::Right now there is not enough space! But maybe later on. [[User:Matt Campbell|Matt Campbell]] ([[User talk:Matt Campbell|talk]]) 02:47, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

:I dunno, I'm of the view that Epstein isn't sufficiently significant enough outside of the United States to warrant a photo here. I've got no issues with his portrait in the [[2019 in the United States]] page, however. [[User:Thescrubbythug|Thescrubbythug]] ([[User talk:Thescrubbythug|talk]]) 10:52, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

== new entry ==

have expanded entry for [[2019 in politics and government]]; is now a redirect from [[2019 in politics]]. --[[User:Sm8900|Sm8900]] ([[User talk:Sm8900|talk]]) 13:06, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

== See also section ==

I would like to add specific links to the articles [[2019 in politics and government]], and [[2019 in science]], in the "See Also" section for this entry.

the reason is that these two entries specifically are the main ones that to a large degree parallel the scope and content for this entry; i.e. both of these two articles are timeline articles for 2019, which would also encompass newsworthy events and items that might be considered of general significance.

this is in contrast with other timeline articles for 2019 whose scope and content would not be considered to be primarily focused upon events of world significance; for example, I would not seek to add [[2019 in radio]], [[2019 in art]], [[2019 in sports]], etc etc. --[[User:Sm8900|Sm8900]] ([[User talk:Sm8900|talk]]) 15:25, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

:We dont normally add links to "see also" that have already appeared in the article. [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 18:10, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

== Federal Chancellors of Switzerland ==

Two former [[Chancellor of Switzerland|Federal Chancellors]] of Switzerland have passed away in August - [[Annemarie Huber-Hotz]] and [[Walter Buser]]. Interestingly, somebody has questioned the importance of including Buser on the death list, while leaving Huber-Hotz in the clear. The justification made in Buser's case (and if this applies to Buser, it'll also automatically apply to Huber-Hotz) is that the office of Federal Chancellor is not a particularly notable office. While I'm no expert on the nuances of Swiss politics and the Swiss political system, it is quite clear that the Federal Chancellor is '''not''' at all any equivalent to that of the [[Chancellor of Germany]] or [[Chancellor of Austria|Austria]] - or indeed that of the [[Chancellor of the Exchequer]] in the UK. What does everyone think - should Huber-Hotz and Buser remain on the main 2019 death list?

On a slightly different note, somebody has been trying to question the importance of including [[Tim Fischer]] as well - to the point where until now they were also trying to obscure the fact that he was [[Deputy Prime Minister of Australia]]. In my view there's no question that Fischer should stay. The office of Deputy Prime Minister is the second-most senior role in the Australian Government; it performs the role of Acting Prime Minister when the PM is overseas or incapacitated and in Fischer's case is also the head of the [[National Party of Australia|National Party]], one of the major governing parties of Australian politics. I don't think an image is warranted, but surely given that nobody would question including a U.S. Vice President or even (as seen with the July section) an independent U.S. Presidential candidate such as [[Ross Perot]], Fischer deserves his place on the main death list. --[[User:Thescrubbythug|Thescrubbythug]] ([[User talk:Thescrubbythug|talk]]) 17:01, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

:Tim Fischer doesnt really qualify to be here, hardly known outside of Australia and didnt actually hold any of the top offices like a president or prime minister, the same would seem to apply the the swiss chaps. [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 18:16, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
::I think you're correct. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 19:21, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
:::The office of Deputy Prime Minister is considered one of the top offices, and I again make the argument that if U.S. Vice Presidents and third party candidates can qualify, so should Australian Deputy Prime Ministers - particularly one whose achievements include helping implement substantial gun control in the aftermath of Port Arthur, something which has gained significant international nobility. As for the Swiss Chancellors, yes I’d probably lean towards removing them as from what I can gather their main role seems to be that of a sort-of head of staff rather than one of the top offices. Also on the topic of importance, [[Sushma Swaraj]] not only is listed, but also currently has a photo up - yet her most senior position has been Indian foreign minister. --[[User:Thescrubbythug|Thescrubbythug]] ([[User talk:Thescrubbythug|talk]]) 02:18, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
::::Jesucrist. Tim Fischer was only Deputy Prime Minister of Australia. These lists put people with a high national relevance or international importance, being also one of the requirements that has at least 9 articles in different languages. Several Vice Presidents have passed away this year and not all of them are enlisted. While US Vicepresident is the second senior office of the most powerful country in the world, Australian DPM is the 4th senior office (Queen, Governor General, PM and DPM). As about Sushma Swaraj, she had been one of the most influential and important women politician in India and in Asia, not just a simple Minister of Foreign Affairs. Her political career is absolutely notorious. I also think that it's necessary a debate about what we can do with Chancellors of Switzerland.~[[User:Alsoriano97|Alsoriano97]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 13:18, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
:::::”Second most senior office of the most powerful country in the world” That’s just blatant US bias right there, which is something we must ensure to avoid on this sort of page. Furthermore it completely fails to address my additional point regarding third party candidates such as [[Ross Perot]] being included. Dismissing the position of Deputy Prime Minister as merely the fourth most important (and referring to the Queen as the most important) indicates a complete lack of understanding of the Australian political system and how it works. In practice, the Deputy Prime Minister is the second most senior position of the Government and the Ministry, and if the Prime Minister is overseas, incapacitated or dead, the Deputy takes the role of Acting Prime Minister. It’s still more senior than a Minister of Foreign Affairs - though sometimes a Deputy Prime Minister may also choose to additionally take up that role. I’m curious to hear what others have to say regarding [[Sushma Swaraj]]. [[User:Thescrubbythug|Thescrubbythug]] ([[User talk:Thescrubbythug|talk]]) 16:24, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
:::::Just a note, the number of different language article rule was dropped a few years ago. [[User:Emk9|Emk9]] ([[User talk:Emk9|talk]]) 19:43, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

== Sushma Swaraj, Arun Jaitley, George Fernandes ==

Think we should have a separate section discussing these three Indian politicians, and whether or not they should be included in the 2019 death section - or in the case of Fernandes, an image on the side. From what I can gather, all three played prominent roles in the governments they served, but none served in a leadership position. What does everyone think? --[[User:Thescrubbythug|Thescrubbythug]] ([[User talk:Thescrubbythug|talk]]) 02:34, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

== Bougainville Independence Referendum ==

It should be known that the Bougainville Independence Referendum is happening on the 23rd of November, but it hasn't been in "Predicted or Scheduled Events" of the page. -- [[User:Iron_Wolf123|Iron_Wolf123]] ([[User talk:Iron_Wolf123|talk]]) 10:14, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
:You should have linked to [[2019 Bougainvillean independence referendum|the Wikipedia article]]. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 11:37, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

== templates ==

added some navigation templates to article. I hope that's helpful. --[[User:Sm8900|Sm8900]] ([[User talk:Sm8900|talk]]) 22:11, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 10 September 2019 ==

{{edit semi-protected|2019|answered=yes}}
Please add the status of former (7th) [[Yang di-Pertuan Agong]] to the late [[Ahmad Shah of Pahang|Sultan Ahmad Shah]], deceased on May 22. This status is equivalent to a Sovereign monarch and head of state of [[Malaysia]]. Given that the late [[Tunku Puan Zanariah]] (deceased on March 17) is refered to as [[Raja Permaisuri Agong]] (title, which accords to a Yang di-Pertuan Agong's consort), it is more than appropriate this reference to be mentioned posthumously. [[User:Monarchies.Today|Monarchies.Today]] ([[User talk:Monarchies.Today|talk]]) 18:32, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
:Sorry, not sure what you are trying to say; you need to follow the instructions above. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 20:48, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
:[[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable source]] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:NiciVampireHeart|<b style="color:black">Nici</b>]][[User talk:NiciVampireHeart|<b style="color:purple">Vampire</b>]][[Special:Contributions/NiciVampireHeart|<b style="color:black">Heart</b>]] 00:08, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 12 September 2019 ==

{{edit semi-protected|2019|answered=yes}}
[[User:Orlandpaul|Orlandpaul]] ([[User talk:Orlandpaul|talk]]) 14:03, 12 September 2019 (UTC)I wanna add super bowl 53
:[[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format as instructed above and provide a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable source]]. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 14:08, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
: Super Bowl LIII is listed at [[2019_in_sports]] [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 16:17, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

== Numbering ==

The article describes 2019 as the "2019th year of the Common Era (CE), the 19th year of the 3rd millennium, and the 19th year of the 21st century."

Surely the "19"s here should be "20"s? After all, the year 0 CE would be the 1st year of the Common Era. Likewise, 2000 would be the 1st year in the 3rd millenium and the the 21st century, so 2019 would be the 20th. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Scarrow Man|Scarrow Man]] ([[User talk:Scarrow Man#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Scarrow Man|contribs]]) 22:37, 6 October 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
*No, 0 CE does not exist. CE was adopted to replace AD, Anno Domini, which in English is "In the Year of the Lord." It was supposed to be the year ''following'' the birth of Jesus of Nazareth. Similarly, 2000 is the last millennium of the 20th century and the last year of the 2nd millennium.[[User:Michael E Nolan|Michael E Nolan]] ([[User talk:Michael E Nolan|talk]]) 20:35, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

==Importance==
Someone has questioned an October posting of mine about 91 Iraqi civilians killed by the government. Today the total is over 100. Certainly 91 Iraqi civilians murdered is as serious as 1 civilian murdered in Hong Kong earlier in the month.[[User:Michael E Nolan|Michael E Nolan]] ([[User talk:Michael E Nolan|talk]]) 20:35, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
:Actually, I don't agree. The fact that over 1/3 of the population of Hong Kong protesting makes otherwise minor related incidents important. I'm not sure if the 91&ndash;100 Iraqi civilians killed is as important. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 20:17, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 20 September 2019 ==

{{edit semi-protected|2019|answered=yes}}
[[User:AThingW2|AThingW2]] ([[User talk:AThingW2|talk]]) 20:14, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
:[[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable source]] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:NiciVampireHeart|<b style="color:black">Nici</b>]][[User talk:NiciVampireHeart|<b style="color:purple">Vampire</b>]][[Special:Contributions/NiciVampireHeart|<b style="color:black">Heart</b>]] 20:40, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

== elijah cummings ==

The Elijah Cummings entry was removed, I would say he is internationally notable

https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/toppdemokraten-elijah-cummings-dod-blev-68-ar/

https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/elijah-cummings-bekannter-us-demokrat-ist-gestorben-a-1292001.html

https://www.srf.ch/news/international/todesfall-im-kongress-trump-ermittler-elijah-cummings-ist-gestorben

https://mapdow.com/elijah-principal-democrate-cummings-meurt-de-complications-de-sante/

https://www.univision.com/noticias/politica/muere-el-congresista-democrata-elijah-cummings-quien-formaba-parte-de-la-investigacion-del-juicio-politico-a-trump

https://www.kitv.com/story/41194350/elijah-cummings-legislador-estadounidense-muere-a-los-68-aos

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/wires/1.8003425

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/wires/1.8003471
If under these criteria Cummings is not notable; and now I mean no disrespect to their family, but are Tamara Buciuceanu or Charles Jencks more internationally notable than Cummings? [[User:Lochglasgowstrathyre|Lochglasgowstrathyre]] ([[User talk:Lochglasgowstrathyre|talk]]) 10:36, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

:With all due respect to Cummings, this page is not [[2019 in the United States]] and Cummings was not an important political figure on the international stage. Nor did he hold a Cabinet position, was a Presidential or VP nominee, or was the de-facto head of a party of government. Placing US congressmen in that page would suffice. That's my view of it, and at the very least he should be stay out unless a consensus of some kind forms that he should be on the main [[2019]] page. [[User:Thescrubbythug|Thescrubbythug]] ([[User talk:Thescrubbythug|talk]]) 13:40, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

::I would agree clearly a domestic politician that should be in [[2019 in the United States]] but not here. [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 17:32, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

:Using the same criteria, I'd also argue that [[Harold Brown (Secretary of Defense)|Harold Brown]], [[Harris Wofford]], [[John Dingell]], [[Lyndon LaRouche]], [[Birch Bayh]] and [[Ralph Hall]] also should be on [[2019 in the United States]] but not the main [[2019]] page. --[[User:Thescrubbythug|Thescrubbythug]] ([[User talk:Thescrubbythug|talk]]) 09:03, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
::I agree. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 15:49, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

He has been on the page since January, and now it has come up again. This man was the first African American politician to be given a state funeral in the rotunda, an honor generally given to former presidents and important political figures, a funeral which was attended by foreign leaders and every living president. I don't think it's a stretch to call him internationally recognized, both as a civil rights advocate and as a political figure. [[User:DroboBrandegee|DroboBrandegee]] ([[User talk:DroboBrandegee|talk]]) 10:55, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
:You'll need to achieve consensus for this view. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 09:11, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

== Karel Gott v. Ginger Baker ==

There seems to be an edit war as to whether [[Karel Gott]] or [[Ginger Baker]] should have an image in October deaths. I lean toward Karel Gott. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 09:06, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

:Just noticed this thread {{ping|Arthur Rubin}}, and I agree there should be a discussion about the images here (also going to ping {{ping|Alsoriano97}} and {{ping|Matt Campbell}}). In my view Baker's image deserves to be up on the page (I’d make the same argument for [[Jack Bruce]] on the [[2014]] page - incredibly influential bassist). He was a member of [[Cream]] (as well as [[Blind Faith]]), which were one of the most successful and important bands of the 1960s. As well as being generally regarded as the world's first supergroup, one of their albums ([[Wheels Of Fire]]) went on to become the world's first double album to go platinum. As a member of Cream, he was inducted in the [[Rock and Roll Hall of Fame]] in 1993. Baker himself was internationally recognised, influential and acclaimed as one of the most talented drummers not just of his era, but also of all time - alongside people like [[John Bonham]] and [[Keith Moon]]. Baker too was responsible from one of the earliest examples of drum solos in rock music, with the song "[[Toad (instrumental)|Toad]]", and his drumming skills has often being cited as important in the development of the rock and metal music genres. Baker's passing attracted a great deal of international attention and press coverage, as well as tributes from multitudes of musicians that were either his contemporaries, or were influenced by him. That's my view of it anyway - that Baker has the sufficient notability and significance to warrant an image in the death section. Gott was an important figure in his own right as well, but lacked the international stature and influence that Baker had. --[[User:Thescrubbythug|Thescrubbythug]] ([[User talk:Thescrubbythug|talk]]) 13:11, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
:Ginger Baker was very famous as a member of cream, and his contributions to music were vast, recognized and listed by many as one of the most talented drummers. Karel Gott was not unknown internationally, but he was most famous and celebrated in his home country, while baker was much more famous internationally [[User:Lochglasgowstrathyre|Lochglasgowstrathyre]] ([[User talk:Lochglasgowstrathyre|talk]]) 13:28, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
: I would go with Baker as well, for the reasons well explained by [[User:Thescrubbythug]]. He was not your run-of-the-mill musician. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 10:56, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
::This is true, but the image of him is not at all suitable. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 14:01, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

== Baghdadi death date; October 26 or 27 ==
(I already posted this to Baghdadi's talk page, but I thought this would fit here as well, as Baghdadi is represented in the Deaths section)

What was the local time when Baghdadi died? is it possible that it was 27 October? [https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/27/us/politics/baghdadi-isis-leader-trump.html This article by the New York Times says the raid started on midnight local time, 5 PM in Washington D.C., and continued for 2 hours,] so according to the New York Times, Baghdadi died on 27 October, but it was still October 26 on the US east coast

(New York Times also has a paywall, so to see the article; stop loading the page by pressing the 'X' button where the refresh button is, immediately after entering the article) [[User:Lochglasgowstrathyre|Lochglasgowstrathyre]] ([[User talk:Lochglasgowstrathyre|talk]]) 17:24, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

More evidence of the date being 27 October; [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-death-isis-leader-syria-bashira-trump-latest-a9173481.html this article] mentions that residents heard the gunfire start on midnight [[User:Lochglasgowstrathyre|Lochglasgowstrathyre]] ([[User talk:Lochglasgowstrathyre|talk]]) 17:56, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

== [[Eugène Camara]] ==

He was [[Prime Minister of Guinea]] for less than one month, and it's not clear he '''did''' anything as Prime Minister other than acknowledge the appointment of his successor. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 13:57, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

== request re article links ==

hi all. this article is getting over 8,000 hits per day. I applaud everyone working so diligently to keep this updated. is it ok if I could please add links at the top to [[2019 in politics and government]], and also to [[2010s political history]]? would like to draw some attention and editors to those articles as well. I appreciate any consideration for this request. I appreciate it. thanks! --[[User:Sm8900|Sm8900]] ([[User talk:Sm8900|talk]]) 15:24, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

:Politics and Government is already in the 2019 by topic infobox at the top I cant see any reason to make it any more prominent then any of the other topic articles. [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 15:52, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
::because it is unique amongst all other articles, as serving as an archive of global news and historical events around the world. the only other article that has such a wide topical scope is this one, and perhaps the one for science, although obviously the science article would not pertain to societal events. so that was the reasoning for my suggestion here. thanks. --[[User:Sm8900|Sm8900]] ([[User talk:Sm8900|talk]]) 18:34, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
:::Sorry I dont see it as any more important than any other listed in the infobox. [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 20:34, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

==new item==
new article created, [[2019 in United States politics and government]]. I know it's pretty late for this year, but this might be useful for items in 2020. --[[User:Sm8900|Sm8900]] ([[User talk:Sm8900|talk]]) 14:35, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

== Resignation of Lebanese Prime Minister ==

The Prime Minister of Lebanon, Saad Hariri, resigned on October 29 due to the 2019 Lebanese Protests. This should be added here as well as a mention of the protests in Lebanon as all the other resignations of leaders and major protests are listed. [[User:Joseph Ruoc|Joseph Ruoc]] ([[User talk:Joseph Ruoc|talk]]) 02:10, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
::{{ping|User:Joseph Ruoc}} thanks for your idea. suggest you check the article [[2010s political history]], which contains some relevant overviews as well. thanks. --[[User:Sm8900|Sm8900]] ([[User talk:Sm8900|talk]]) 16:07, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
:::Shouldn't the protests have some recognition? Most other protests of similar and smaller size are listed on this page. [[User:Joseph Ruoc|Joseph Ruoc]] ([[User talk:Joseph Ruoc|talk]]) 20:23, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

== jump in views for this article ==

just thought you might be interested to know that this article jumped to 18,000 hits yesterday. nice work everyone!! below is a link to the graph of page views. I included some other similar 2019-related pages just for comparison, but they got much less traffic. thanks! --[[User:Sm8900|Sm8900]] ([[User talk:Sm8900|talk]]) 15:56, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

* LINK: [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&range=latest-30&pages=2019|2019_in_the_United_Kingdom|2019_in_United_Kingdom_politics_and_government|2019_in_United_States_politics_and_government|2019_in_the_United_States|2019_in_United_Kingdom_politics_and_government|2019_in_United_States_politics_and_government|2019_in_the_United_States Link to article page views yesterday]. --[[User:Sm8900|Sm8900]] ([[User talk:Sm8900|talk]]) 16:08, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

== Spanish general election ==

The reference in April to "the 2019 Spanish general election" is out of date. It should be changed to something like "the first 2019 Spanish general election". [[Special:Contributions/37.133.4.240|37.133.4.240]] ([[User talk:37.133.4.240|talk]]) 09:45, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

== Bus crash ==

{{ping|Wjfox2005}} I don't see why a bus crash, which killed 28, and doesn't even has its own Wikipedia article, deserves mention in a year article. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 15:26, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

==Proposed removals==
I would like to see the following removed, as not internationally notable:
*[[Carmen Argenziano]], US actor (removed)
*[[Asunción Balaguer]], Spanish actress (removed)
*[[Verna Bloom]], US actress
*[[Georgia Engel]], US actress (removed)
*[[Nancy Gates]], US actress (removed)
*[[Charles Gérard]], French actor (removed)
*[[Shelley Lubben]], US actress (removed)
*[[Fernando Luján]], Mexican actor
*[[Jamshid Mashayekhi]], Iranian actor
*[[Fay McKenzie]], US actress (removed)
*[[Stoyanka Mutafova]], Bulgarian actress
*[[Dick Miller]], US actor (removed)
*[[Shelley Morrison]], US actress (removed)
*[[Kristoff St. John]], US actor (removed)
*[[Bob Van Der Veken]], Belgian actor (removed)
*[[David Winters (choreographer)]] (removed)
Any views? [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 16:02, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

:Belated response (to put it mildly), but I fully '''support''' all of these removals - if they haven't been removed yet. [[User:TheScrubby|TheScrubby]] ([[User talk:TheScrubby|talk]]) 10:28, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

==Neil Innes==
{{ping|Arthur Rubin}} I know that it would seem to people outside the UK that Neil Innes is very famous indeed, but he's not a household name here. A matter of a few months ago, I was trying to explain to some friends who he was and even showing them photos of him and they had never heard of him or seen him. I don't think he should be here. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 18:42, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
:{{ping|Deb}} Interesting. I saw him on my Facebook feed, but I don't feel that strongly about it. I would have thought any of the Pythons would be noticed in the UK. Which subarticle(s) should he be in? — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 00:24, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
:Wait. You said he's not famous '''in''' the UK? — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 00:26, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
::He's not one of the Pythons though. He just appeared on their show sometimes. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 09:23, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
:{{ping|Deb}} That might be a generational thing. Anecdotal, but my social media feeds have been full of his death today. More to the point, I can see decent obituaries from (apart from the multiple UK and US ones) Germany [https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/neil-innes-101.html] [https://www.tagesspiegel.de/kultur/songschreiber-von-monty-python-neil-innes-mit-75-jahren-gestorben/25376950.html] Canada [https://torontosun.com/entertainment/television/monty-python-composer-neil-innes-dead-at-75/wcm/8bedd073-b4a1-4f8b-b165-a8c9e21b6020] Brazil [http://www.tenhomaisdiscosqueamigos.com/2019/12/30/neil-innes-morre-aos-75-anos/] [https://g1.globo.com/pop-arte/noticia/2019/12/30/neil-innes-musico-ingles-e-colaborador-do-monty-python-morre-aos-75-anos.ghtml] Poland [https://wiadomosci.radiozet.pl/Swiat/Neil-Innes-nie-zyje.-Zmarl-siodmy-Monty-Python-.-Mial-75-lat] [https://kultura.onet.pl/wiadomosci/neil-innes-nie-zyje-siodmy-python-mial-75-lat/6pfltjv] Netherlands [https://www.telegraaf.nl/entertainment/2131489466/monthy-python-acteur-neil-innes-75-overleden] Norway [https://www.nrk.no/kultur/_det-syvende-monty-pyhton-medlemmet_-neil-innes-er-dod-1.14841131] [https://www.aftenposten.no/kultur/i/70MJxB/monty-python-skuespiller-neil-innes-er-doed] Italy [https://www.ilpost.it/2019/12/30/neil-innes-morto/] Belgium [https://www.sudinfo.be/id159038/article/2019-12-30/neil-innes-comedien-musicien-et-ecrivain-anglais-est-decede-lage-de-75-ans] Croatia [https://www.glasistre.hr/zanimljivosti/preminuo-neil-innes-autor-glazbenih-hitova-za-mont-pthon-613226] [https://dnevnik.hr/showbuzz/celebrity/preminuo-je-neil-innes---588704.html] Greece [https://www.news247.gr/kosmos/pethane-o-neil-innes-melos-ton-monty-python-se-ilikia-75-eton.7556692.html] and Australia [https://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/celebrity/monty-pythons-neil-innes-dies-aged-75/news-story/c4e9828610b21485a05fe637e72dcb9b] - and that's just from the first 3 pages of Google News. He definitely belongs here. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 01:11, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
::That may well be true, and I wouldn't deny that he was quite an important figure in music, but not one who's widely known. The people I was asking weren't young. I'd say he was about as well-known as Jeremy Hardy. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 09:22, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
::: I'd disagree there; Jeremy Hardy was quite niche - Innes' work with Monty Python, not to mention The Rutles and the Bonzo Dog Band, were mainstream. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 10:54, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
::::I respect that view, but I don't think you're correct. Most people would have no idea about his work with Python or know he was in the Bonzos, and few people remember the Rutles. Frankly, he's better known for his later appearances on children's TV. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 12:54, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
::::: However, the dozens (there are even more today) of obituaries ''do'' concentrate on those aspects. This is a guy, after all, who worked with the Beatles. Compare the other entries on the 2019 list and you'll find many, many, entries who were completely unknown outside their own countries, and frankly some who weren't well known ''in'' their own countries. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 13:53, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
::::::I wouldn't disagree with that! :-) [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 21:03, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
RIP, Ron Nasty of the [[Rutles]] :( [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 16:43, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

== 2019's ended ==

make it so that it says that 2019 is the... [[Special:Contributions/111.88.15.184|111.88.15.184]] ([[User talk:111.88.15.184|talk]]) 19:03, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

== [[Canzo]] ==

Maybe in [[2019]] is someone aware what is gone in [[Canzo]]? It's political and cultural strike october whence! It's whereas! <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:LughnasadhRussija|LughnasadhRussija]] ([[User talk:LughnasadhRussija#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LughnasadhRussija|contribs]]) 10:47, 3 January 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:??? (So that this will be archived; I think the auto-archiver only moves sections with more than one entry.) — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 04:24, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

== US copyright ==

I still think the first works to go [[public domain]] in the US since 1978 deserves notice. But I'm not going to restore it, even though it needs consensus to remove. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 04:04, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

== Youtuber Grant Thompson (TKOR) ==

A pretty well-known YouTuber, Grant Thompson, died on July 29 of this year. Is he well-known enough to be allowed to be put on the list? <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/42.2.201.204|42.2.201.204]] ([[User talk:42.2.201.204#top|talk]]) 02:10, 13 February 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
* No; he doesn't have an article here, although his channel does. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 19:16, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

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== Semi-protected edit request on 4 June 2020 ==

{{edit semi-protected|2019|answered=yes}}
Add Cameron Boyce to July 2019 deaths. [[Special:Contributions/2602:306:38A5:B3C0:FDDC:B602:DAAC:1079|2602:306:38A5:B3C0:FDDC:B602:DAAC:1079]] ([[User talk:2602:306:38A5:B3C0:FDDC:B602:DAAC:1079|talk]]) 17:00, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' please provide [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:RandomCanadian|RandomCanadian]] ([[User talk:RandomCanadian|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/RandomCanadian|contribs]]) 19:30, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
::It is largely to prevent the addition of Cameron Boyce's name to the list, contrary to consensus on the Talk page, that the article has been protected. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 15:53, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 6 July 2020 ==

{{edit semi-protected|2019|answered=yes}}
Can we add Shane Rimmer to the list of deaths?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shane_Rimmer
[[Special:Contributions/81.101.15.25|81.101.15.25]] ([[User talk:81.101.15.25|talk]]) 21:16, 6 July 2020 (UTC) [[Special:Contributions/81.101.15.25|81.101.15.25]] ([[User talk:81.101.15.25|talk]]) 21:16, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' please provide [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:Amkgp| ~ Amkgp]] [[User talk:Amkgp|<big>💬</big>]] 11:50, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

== Cameron Boyce ==

Why is Cameron Boyce not in the 2019 death section? --[[Special:Contributions/101.176.0.126|101.176.0.126]] ([[User talk:101.176.0.126|talk]]) 04:58, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
:Because there’s a consensus that Boyce is not internationally notable or significant enough to warrant inclusion outside [[2019 in the United States]]. Feel free to scroll up to read through the Cameron Boyce discussion. --[[User:Thescrubbythug|Thescrubbythug]] ([[User talk:Thescrubbythug|talk]]) 07:40, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
== "Draft:2019" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] ==
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A discussion is taking place to address the redirect [[:Draft:2019]]. The discussion will occur at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 March 10#Draft:2019]] until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. <!-- from Template:RFDNote --> '''[[User:Seventyfiveyears|<span style="color:blue;">Seventyfiveyears</span>]] ([[User talk:Seventyfiveyears|talk]])''' 12:10, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
:{{u|Seventyfiveyears}} - I just tried to join in the discussion via that link but was reverted by [[User:Tavix]]. So, um, where is that discussion? [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 15:48, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
::{{re|Deb}} [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 March 24#Draft:2019]]. The discussion was closed as no consensus back in April. --[[User:Tavix| <span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">'''T'''avix</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tavix|<span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">talk</span>]])</sup> 16:04, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
:::Oh, I see, sorry. For some reason I was alerted to the notification about the discussion this morning! [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 17:17, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

== Gugu Liberato ==

I believe he should be included in the November deaths section. Highly notable gentleman. [[Special:Contributions/146.200.180.251|146.200.180.251]] ([[User talk:146.200.180.251|talk]]) 21:05, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

== Science ==

Brahmos missile [[Special:Contributions/117.98.116.189|117.98.116.189]] ([[User talk:117.98.116.189|talk]]) 12:43, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

:Please add this to [[2019 in science]] if you wish. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 15:32, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 22 November 2022 ==

{{Edit semi-protected|2019|answered=yes}}
There is an event that I requested you to add:

*"''[[Lexar]] announces the first [[SD card]] which can store 1 [[terabyte]].<ref>{{cite news |title=Lexar Announces 1TB 633x SDXC UHS-I card, the behemoth of storage capacity.''" |url=http://www.lexar.com/lexar-announces-1tb-633x-sdxc-uhs-i-card-the-behemoth-of-storage-capacity/ |date=9 January 2019 |work=Lexar |accessdate=10 January 2019 }}</ref>

So, there is a reference and a source about it, maybe if you accept it, then you can add it to this article. -- [[Special:Contributions/2601:205:C001:EA0:DD9D:F980:1B2C:6117|2601:205:C001:EA0:DD9D:F980:1B2C:6117]] ([[User talk:2601:205:C001:EA0:DD9D:F980:1B2C:6117|talk]]) 19:53, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' please provide [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> This source is Lexar's own website; you should establish some form of notability through coverage in secondary media. [[User:Actualcpscm|Actualcpscm]] ([[User talk:Actualcpscm|talk]]) 22:44, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 31 December 2022 ==

{{edit semi-protected|2019|answered=yes}}
I would like to request a minor change on this statement:

"2019 was described as the "best year in human history" by multiple newspapers and media outlets, including [[The New York Times]] and [[WNYC]]."<ref>{{Cite news|url=https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/28/opinion/sunday/2019-best-year-poverty.html|title=This Has Been the Best Year Ever|date=28 Dec 2019|work=[[The New York Times]]|author=Nicholas Kristof}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|url=https://www.wnyc.org/story/2019-best-year-ever/|title=2019: Best Year Ever?|author=The Brian Lehrer Show|publisher=[[WNYC]]|date=31 Dec 2019}}</ref>

To:

"2019 was described as the "'''best year in human history'''" by multiple newspapers and media outlets, including [[The New York Times]] and [[WNYC]]."

The phrase, "best year in human history", should be in bold, since this part shows an essential role in this article, especially years and there are other reliable news reports saying that. --[[Special:Contributions/2601:205:C001:EA0:D0E8:B9D7:7381:E7F5|2601:205:C001:EA0:D0E8:B9D7:7381:E7F5]] ([[User talk:2601:205:C001:EA0:D0E8:B9D7:7381:E7F5|talk]]) 00:40, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done for now:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> Against [[WP:MOSBOLD]] [[User:Lemonaka|Lemonaka]] ([[User talk:Lemonaka|talk]]) 08:42, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

== Why is grumpy cat not in the deaths list? ==

I mean come on guys grumpy cat was a ultra famous meme back in 2012, he was usted on all social media as a meme caracteres even they use it in latin america, do you guys think he deserves to be listed in here? [[Special:Contributions/190.99.113.95|190.99.113.95]] ([[User talk:190.99.113.95|talk]]) 19:28, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

== 2019 being described as a best year in human history. ==

For a reason, most of the news media outlets describe 2019 as a "best year in human history." But there are other good years described and nominated by other media outlets such as 2015, 1994, 2007, and especially 1980. Can anyone please explain why those editors add it as the best year in history in one article, while adding the year 2020 as the worst for anyone to be alive. I think that there is a need for a consensus to be established. Give me examples. [[Special:Contributions/204.129.232.191|204.129.232.191]] ([[User talk:204.129.232.191|talk]]) 16:44, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

:I would support its removal here and anywhere else it appears. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 17:23, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 21:28, 4 October 2024

Is this right?

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The article is saying that 1923 media will enter the public domain in 2019, contradicting the fact that it must be at least 95 years old to be in the public domain. It implies that the actual number of years is 96, not 95. What am I confusing?? Georgia guy (talk) 00:51, 3 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Georgia guy: this is very late, but see Public Domain Day. In short, once something has been published for 95 years, it enters the PD at the end of that calendar year. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:13, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2019 being described as a best year in human history.

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For a reason, most of the news media outlets describe 2019 as a "best year in human history." But there are other good years described and nominated by other media outlets such as 2015, 1994, 2007, and especially 1980. Can anyone please explain why those editors add it as the best year in history in one article, while adding the year 2020 as the worst for anyone to be alive. I think that there is a need for a consensus to be established. Give me examples. 204.129.232.191 (talk) 16:44, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would support its removal here and anywhere else it appears. Deb (talk) 17:23, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Deb But why would you support its removal even though it can be added in other years with very reliable sources? Explain? 204.129.232.191 (talk) 18:00, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
To me, it's still someone's opinion, and newspapers aren't qualified to judge on a completely subjective issue like this. Deb (talk) 18:13, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Because 2019 is the last year before the pandemic hit. Many people feel nostalgic about it now.213.230.87.65 (talk) 02:08, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
'Most' of the news media outlets? Can you name even one? Bkatcher (talk) 03:17, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You know that this type of statement still remains on this article as of 2024, and newspapers are still regarded as reliable sources no matter what. -“Userbase3913” (talk) 01:37, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2023

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Would you please add this event?

This one comes with a source cited. — 2600:1010:B1A7:5CE1:F888:A176:26F6:1B94 (talk) 16:57, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

marking answered, not done per above. GiovanniSidwell (talk) 22:56, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Milutinović, A. "SVE O NOVOM AUTOPUTU "MILOŠ VELIKI" KOJI SE OTVARA DANAS Kolike su putarine i ograničenja, kada će biti pumpi i 4 MAPE UKLJUČENJA". Blic.rs (in Serbian). Retrieved 2022-11-27.

Collage depreciation

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Discussion started by blocked sock 33ABGirl (talk) 04:56, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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At Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Years#Lead_image, a discussion on whether to depreciate collages in general in going on. Please share your thoughts.--Marginataen (talk) 21:38, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Date format

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Discussion started by blocked sock 33ABGirl (talk) 04:56, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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I would also like to suggest changing the date format of this article to the DMY format (e.g. 6 June 2020 as opposed to June 6, 2020). The DMY format seems more international and more suitable for a "global" article like. Also DMY simply makes more sense as it goes from smallest to highest.

At the village pump, I've presented a proposal to establish a standard to use DMY in general for all articles about "generic" years. The discussion got kind of messy however, and I'll propaly restart it at some point. In the meantime, I would like it to create consensus about changing it for specifically this and all other nine articles about the 2010s--Marginataen (talk) 16:11, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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