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== "reconciled" to the Catholic Church? ==


== "reconciled" to the Catholic Church? ==
Was the decision of the Synod of Whitby really a reconciliation? Wouldn't that suggest that the Celtic Church had once been part of the Roman Catholic Church - which didn't really exist until the 4th century. The Celtic Church is anything was within the family of the Orthodox Churches and was crushed by Wilfrid and his Romanizers.
Was the decision of the Synod of Whitby really a reconciliation? Wouldn't that suggest that the Celtic Church had once been part of the Roman Catholic Church - which didn't really exist until the 4th century. The Celtic Church is anything was within the family of the Orthodox Churches and was crushed by Wilfrid and his Romanizers.


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I changed the sentence about the Synod of Whitby to reflect the fact that the church did not adopt Roman ways but rather had the their adoption forced upon them by the Northumbrian king of the time. [[User:Velkyal|Velkyal]] ([[User talk:Velkyal|talk]]) 10:00, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
I changed the sentence about the Synod of Whitby to reflect the fact that the church did not adopt Roman ways but rather had the their adoption forced upon them by the Northumbrian king of the time. [[User:Velkyal|Velkyal]] ([[User talk:Velkyal|talk]]) 10:00, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

==Viking Attack deleted==

Today most historians are beginning to doubt the fact that Vikings attacked the place due to extreme lack of evidence for it, both from literary sources of its time and archaeological evidence. So basically I deleted this enormous claim (which were repeated in many history books and websites).
:Can we have some references for these "doubts" before matter is removed? The monastery was definitely destroyed in the Viking period, and even the name of the town was changed from the Saxon "Streonshall" to the Viking "Whitby" - indicating a big settlement event. Those two things on their own seem pretty good evidence of Viking invasion coinciding with the destruction. And there was pretty systematic destruction of northern coastal monasteries by the Vikings. [[user:Xandar|'''''<span style="color:#003366;">Xan</span>''''']][[User talk:Xandar#top|'''''<span style="color:#00A86B;">dar</span>''''']] 21:35, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

I found it at the Whitby Museum (which was built around the abbey), where they have a mini-TV. When I arrived it was playing a documentary about Whitby's history, using the most recent research. How about I put that as a reference? (By the way, no one put any reference for any Viking invasion either, and really you don't have enough evidence with only just a name to prove any invasion from Vikings [pardon for bad English]). <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/81.151.152.226|81.151.152.226]] ([[User talk:81.151.152.226|talk]]) 16:12, 3 September 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:There is a general lack of references for the article. However the destruction of the abbey by Vikings has been pretty much accepted history up until now, and I don't think all mention should be deleted - especially with no proper referencing. It just leaves a blank. I shall try and find some refs for the article. [[user:Xandar|'''''<span style="color:#003366;">Xan</span>''''']][[User talk:Xandar#top|'''''<span style="color:#00A86B;">dar</span>''''']] 21:20, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

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"reconciled" to the Catholic Church?

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Was the decision of the Synod of Whitby really a reconciliation? Wouldn't that suggest that the Celtic Church had once been part of the Roman Catholic Church - which didn't really exist until the 4th century. The Celtic Church is anything was within the family of the Orthodox Churches and was crushed by Wilfrid and his Romanizers.

I agree. I think the word "subjected" would be better. Harry Stoteles 16:59, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"adoption"

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Use of the word "adopted" is certainly better than the original "reconciled", however the word itself does suggest that the Celtic Church were willing participants in the change rather than the victims of a pre-meditated act of spiritual imperialism.

Synod of Whitby change

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I changed the sentence about the Synod of Whitby to reflect the fact that the church did not adopt Roman ways but rather had the their adoption forced upon them by the Northumbrian king of the time. Velkyal (talk) 10:00, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Viking Attack deleted

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Today most historians are beginning to doubt the fact that Vikings attacked the place due to extreme lack of evidence for it, both from literary sources of its time and archaeological evidence. So basically I deleted this enormous claim (which were repeated in many history books and websites).

Can we have some references for these "doubts" before matter is removed? The monastery was definitely destroyed in the Viking period, and even the name of the town was changed from the Saxon "Streonshall" to the Viking "Whitby" - indicating a big settlement event. Those two things on their own seem pretty good evidence of Viking invasion coinciding with the destruction. And there was pretty systematic destruction of northern coastal monasteries by the Vikings. Xandar 21:35, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I found it at the Whitby Museum (which was built around the abbey), where they have a mini-TV. When I arrived it was playing a documentary about Whitby's history, using the most recent research. How about I put that as a reference? (By the way, no one put any reference for any Viking invasion either, and really you don't have enough evidence with only just a name to prove any invasion from Vikings [pardon for bad English]). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.151.152.226 (talk) 16:12, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There is a general lack of references for the article. However the destruction of the abbey by Vikings has been pretty much accepted history up until now, and I don't think all mention should be deleted - especially with no proper referencing. It just leaves a blank. I shall try and find some refs for the article. Xandar 21:20, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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