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==edit request on 12 Dec 2018 ==
Professional movie reviewer Roger Ebert wrote:
Think is important to note that it was written in 1943. Source could be JOURNAL ARTICLE Revolution on Animal Farm: Orwell's Neglected Commentary
V. C. Letemendia Journal of Modern Literature Vol. 18, No. 1 (Winter, 1992), pp. 127-137 (11 pages)
at https://www.jstor.org/stable/3831551 where at P. 132 quoting Orwell author reports
... he did not mean pigs and men to appear reconciled completely at the end of the book. On the contrary "I meant it to end on a loud note of discord, for I wrote it immediately after the Teheran Conference [parodied by the final scene in Animal Farm] .." CEJL, III, pp. 459-59


== Link for Preface ==
:The animated version of "Animal Farm" (1948) was paid for by a CIA front, and twisted Orwell's fable about totalitarianism both East and West into a simplistic anti-communist cartoon. [http://www.suntimes.com/output/ebert1/wkp-news-quiet07f.html]
Here is a link for the preface. Can someone add it to main article, so that people know where the quote is coming from.
https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwell/essays-and-other-works/the-freedom-of-the-press/


== Stage adaptations of Animal Farm -- request for addition ==
I'm not sure about the CIA front claim, and I personally disagree with Ebert's "twisted" evaluation. I always felt that the book, along with [[1984]], was chiefly if not entirely about Communism's excesses. --[[User:Ed Poor|Uncle Ed]]


I wish to note that the list of stage adaptations of "Animal Farm" in this article is incomplete. The first version, adapted by [[Nelson S. Bond]] and published by [[Samuel French, Inc.]] in 1964 [https://www.amazon.com/Animal-Farm-Fable-Two-Acts/dp/0573605386 (still in print)] is still widely performed [https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1990-05-17-vl-374-story.html (example one)] [https://www.flocktheatre.org/animal-farm-2020 (example two) ] [https://www.facebook.com/events/104929599894765/ (example three)]
:Interestingly enough, it was the first feature length British animated film


== "Classic" ==
I really think the note about ''interpreting'' "ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL… BUT… " should be removed. To use ''either'' MORE or LESS when talking about EQUALITY is an absurdity. This has always irked me, and if no one objects, and can argue that it should be retained, I will delete this within the week. [[User:Kalki|Kalki]] 20:11, 2003 Nov 9 (UTC)


"George Orwell's own Nineteen Eighty-Four is a classic dystopian novel about totalitarianism."
"ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL, BUT SOME ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS" is supposed to be ironic and absurd. The point is most of the animals are so stupid, they don'tt recognize the saying as being strange.


Is it ok to call something a "classic" as a factual statement in an encyclopedia? Or is it a subjective thing even in a case like "1984"? Isn't it against NPOV? I'm asking out of curiosity. [[User:Dornwald|Dornwald]] ([[User talk:Dornwald|talk]]) 00:18, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
=="Thinly veiled?==
Gotta look it up in a day or so, but Orwell wrote a letter to his publisher when Animal Farm was in the last stages of preparation for press, asking him if he could change some detail sentence, about Snowball's precise location in some point in some battle, as "I have found out that Trotsky was probably not in [thus-and-such-place during thus-and-such incident." I hadn't realized this myself, but obviously Orwell intended it to have a very detailed relationship to history, and only my ignorance of the history of the Soviet Union prevented me from realizing it.


:That seems a bit POV and also unneeded; I've gone ahead and removed it. [[User:Doniago|DonIago]] ([[User talk:Doniago|talk]]) 02:03, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
There's also some letter to a publisher in which he says, in reference to ''Animal Farm,'' something like "I'm working on something now but it is so not OK politically that Gollancz will never accept it..."
::Thanks [[User:Dornwald|Dornwald]] ([[User talk:Dornwald|talk]]) 02:18, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

As I say, details when I have time to look them up. They're all in the Collected Essays, Journalism and Letters. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 16:30, 11 May 2004 (UTC)

:Orwell subtitled his novel "A Fairy Story". If he didn't want to veil it he would never have given such a subtitle (does it read like a fairy story to you?). It is meant to mislead the authorities but not others.

:The whole point of a satirical [[allegory]] is to represent something in another mode. Why? Think about it. "Thinly veiled" is not wrong. Authentic representation does not mean the book can't have a few red herrings to throw the unsuspected parties offguard. [[User_Talk:Mandel|Mandel]]

== [[Animal Farm (fictional government)]] ==

This page is a recent creation, but I can't honestly see justification for its inclusion since there is nothing there that couldn't be in here, it's just awfully silly. I just though I'd offer it to you for improvement, but I will VFD it if it is not improved.

==Pincher==
I don't know who took out Pincher as the leader of the Animal Guard. I'm not sure if you know, but there was a film adaptation of Animal Farm in 1999, starring [[Patrick Stewart]], [[Ian Holm]], and [[Kelsey Grammer]]. In the movie, Napoleon makes Pincher the leader of the Animal Guard. I even put Pincher down in the fictional military people.- [[User:B-101|B-101]] 12:32, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

== Modern 2002 view removed by [[User:64.230.96.197]] ==

The section was removed by [[User:64.230.96.197]], perhaps by error, when inserting a link. There seems to be no explanation here for the removal, so I am restoring it. [[User:Hu|Hu]] 17:41, 2004 Nov 18 (UTC)

== Suggest 9 possible wiki links and 2 possible backlinks for [[Animal Farm]]. ==

An [[User:Nickj/Link_Suggester|automated Wikipedia link suggester]] has some possible wiki link suggestions for the [[Animal_Farm]] article:

* Can link '''Animalism''': <nowiki>... Animal Farm), the pigs, who have developed the doctrine of</nowiki> [[Animalism]]<nowiki> and lead the revolution, gradually take over. The two [[boa...</nowiki> ([[Animal_Farm#Plot|link to section]])
* Can link '''history of the Soviet Union''': <nowiki>...ers in Animal Farm are all carefully drawn to represent the</nowiki> [[History of the Soviet Union|history of the Soviet Union]]<nowiki> and Orwell makes this explicit in the case of Napoleon who ...</nowiki> ([[Animal_Farm#Characters|link to section]])
* Can link '''real world''': <nowiki>... letters. The other characters have their analogies in the</nowiki> [[Real World|real world]]<nowiki> but care should be taken with these comparisons as they do ...</nowiki> ([[Animal_Farm#Characters|link to section]])
* Can link '''a new song''': <nowiki>...nd]]'', but later, Napoleon and the other pigs ordered that</nowiki> [[A New Song|a new song]]<nowiki> be sung in its place. This is a reference to the replacemen...</nowiki> ([[Animal_Farm#Significance|link to section]])
* Can link '''state socialism''': <nowiki>...viet Union]], probably for the purpose of distancing Soviet</nowiki> [[State socialism|state socialism]]<nowiki> with Trotsky's revolutionary socialism. ...</nowiki> ([[Animal_Farm#Significance|link to section]])
* Can link '''live action''': <nowiki>...uccessfully revolt against the pigs. There was also a 1999</nowiki> [[Live action|live action]]<nowiki> film directed by John Stephenson. In addition, radical soc...</nowiki> ([[Animal_Farm#References and post-publication views of the book|link to section]])
* Can link '''John Stephenson''': <nowiki>...e pigs. There was also a 1999 live action film directed by</nowiki> [[John Gould Stephenson|John Stephenson]]<nowiki>. In addition, radical socialist rappers [[Dead Prez]] rele...</nowiki> ([[Animal_Farm#References and post-publication views of the book|link to section]])
* Can link '''John Reed''': <nowiki>...w of the book's premise=== In [[2002]], the American author</nowiki> [[John Reed|John Reed]]<nowiki> published ''Snowball's Chance''. This book adopts Orwell's...</nowiki> ([[Animal_Farm#A modern revisionist view of the book's premise|link to section]])
* Can link '''western countries''': <nowiki>...n had suffered less from the [[Great Depression]] than most</nowiki> [[Western world|western countries]]<nowiki>, and because Stalin had led the Soviet Union in the success...</nowiki> ([[Animal_Farm#A modern revisionist view of the book's premise|link to section]])
Additionally, there are some other articles which may be able to linked to this one (also known as "backlinks"):
* In [[Recurring South Park characters#Big Gay Al|Recurring South Park characters]], can backlink '''animal farm''': <nowiki>...=== Big Gay Al is a [[stereotype]]d [[gay]] man. He runs an</nowiki> [[Animal Farm|animal farm]]<nowiki> for gay animals who have been rejected by [[homophobia|homo...</nowiki>
* In [[Windmill Farm Railway|Windmill Farm Railway]], can backlink '''Animal Farm''': <nowiki>The '''Windmill Farm Railway''' is located at the Windmill</nowiki> [[Animal Farm|Animal Farm]]<nowiki>, Burscough, near [[Ormskirk]], Lancashire.The railway opera...</nowiki>
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== Differences between the book and the 1998 movie ==

There's a whole section like this that reads like it was written by a high schooler, including the line "Mr. and Mrs. Jones went home and got it on."

While I've not seen the movie and have no reason to doubt that this happened, that doesn't seem to be very "encyclopedic."

Also it's written in a first person point of view, with a lot of "I" statements, as in, "I didn't include them all, so if you know of any others, go ahead and add them."

I personally see little to no redeeming value in this section whatsoever and, at the very least, should be rewritten to something appropriating more professional language. [[User:159.121.130.84|159.121.130.84]] 12:44, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

:I couldn't agree more, this sounds like a school report, not a serious encyclopaedic entry [[User:Twrist|Twrist]] 21:57, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 17:16, 7 October 2024

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edit request on 12 Dec 2018

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Think is important to note that it was written in 1943. Source could be JOURNAL ARTICLE Revolution on Animal Farm: Orwell's Neglected Commentary V. C. Letemendia Journal of Modern Literature Vol. 18, No. 1 (Winter, 1992), pp. 127-137 (11 pages) at https://www.jstor.org/stable/3831551 where at P. 132 quoting Orwell author reports ... he did not mean pigs and men to appear reconciled completely at the end of the book. On the contrary "I meant it to end on a loud note of discord, for I wrote it immediately after the Teheran Conference [parodied by the final scene in Animal Farm] .." CEJL, III, pp. 459-59

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Here is a link for the preface. Can someone add it to main article, so that people know where the quote is coming from. https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwell/essays-and-other-works/the-freedom-of-the-press/

Stage adaptations of Animal Farm -- request for addition

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I wish to note that the list of stage adaptations of "Animal Farm" in this article is incomplete. The first version, adapted by Nelson S. Bond and published by Samuel French, Inc. in 1964 (still in print) is still widely performed (example one) (example two) (example three)

"Classic"

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"George Orwell's own Nineteen Eighty-Four is a classic dystopian novel about totalitarianism."

Is it ok to call something a "classic" as a factual statement in an encyclopedia? Or is it a subjective thing even in a case like "1984"? Isn't it against NPOV? I'm asking out of curiosity. Dornwald (talk) 00:18, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That seems a bit POV and also unneeded; I've gone ahead and removed it. DonIago (talk) 02:03, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Dornwald (talk) 02:18, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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