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==Dean Phillips inclusion survey==
== Harris picture ==
There have been several discussions on the matter which are hard to follow. Hopefully a final centralized discussion will help to determine a true consensus. '''Should Dean Phillips be included in the infobox?''' [[User:Esolo5002|Esolo5002]] ([[User talk:Esolo5002|talk]]) 21:31, 23 May 2024 (UTC)


I think the picture of Harris should be changed from her official vice-presidential portrait to a more recent one since in the [[2024 Democratic Party presidential primaries|Democratic 2024]], [[2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries|2020]], [[2016 Democratic Party presidential primaries|2016]], [[2024 Republican Party presidential primaries|Republican 2024]], [[2020 Republican Party presidential primaries|2020]], [[2016 Republican Party presidential primaries|2016]], [[2012 Republican Party presidential primaries|2012 primaries articles]] the vast majority of pictures used for candidates, with the notable exception of candidates who are incumbent presidents, are ones taken during or close in time to the primaries instead of official portraits. Harris is not the incumbent president, so I think a more recent image should be used for her [[User:Punker85|Punker85]] ([[User talk:Punker85|talk]]) 22:41, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
:'''Yes'''. The second place real person should always be included in my opinion. [[User:KittyTeam|KittyTeam]] ([[User talk:KittyTeam|talk]]) 21:31, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
:'''No.''' There should only be one second-place person in the infobox, and Palmer takes priority as he won a statewide contest. [[User:Longestview|Longestview]] ([[User talk:Longestview|talk]]) 23:07, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
:'''No.''' There was an RFC in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Elections_and_Referendums/Archive_12#RfC_on_5%_threshold 2017] and also in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Elections_and_Referendums/Archive_16#RfC_on_Infoboxes:_Should_there_always_be_two_candidates? 2020] where these issues were discussed and where criteria for infobox inclusion was established. Phillips does not meet the current criteria. We should not deviate from these decisions without another formal RFC. [[User:Michelangelo1992|Michelangelo1992]] ([[User talk:Michelangelo1992|talk]]) 23:13, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
:'''Yes.''' The second place person's inclusion in the infobox for presidential primaries is clear precedent; there seems to be an attempt to limit the infobox to three people, this is inherently limiting as there is a person who won the second-most amount of contests (1) and a different person who won the second-most amount of delegates (4). They both warrant inclusion. [[User:RickStrate2029|RickStrate2029]] ([[User talk:RickStrate2029|talk]]) 18:19, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
::Y'know, I think a Better question should be "What should the criteria for inclusion in this articles infobox be?:" rather than just "DeAn PHIlliPs InClusion sUrvRy",but until then, I'll go for '''Yes.''' [[User:InterDoesWiki|InterDoesWiki]] ([[User talk:InterDoesWiki|talk]]) 22:38, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
:'''Yes'''. Phillips has won delegates. With such a low number of candidates who have actually done so, it makes both Phillips and Palmer notable enough over every other minor candidate. [[User:Yeoutie|Yeoutie]] ([[User talk:Yeoutie|talk]]) 03:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:'''Yes''', he should be there since he is the second candidate with more delegates (one above Palmer) and clearly has gotten much more media attention than Palmer as the second place in the Democratic primaries. [[User:H3nrique Bregie|H3nrique Bregie]] ([[User talk:H3nrique Bregie|talk]]) 10:00, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
:'''NO.''' Phillips has neither 5% of the vote, nor has won a contest. Adding him would mean adding people like Ben Carson, Rudy Giuliani, and John Edwards to their primary pages. [[User:NonHydranary|NonHydranary]] ([[User talk:NonHydranary|talk]]) 00:09, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
:'''Yes'''. He is the second place human.If this means we need to change other pages to reflect this policy, so be it. [[User:Jeff101 jr|Jeff101 jr]] ([[User talk:Jeff101 jr|talk]]) 05:22, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
:'''Yes.''' He is the second place human in terms of both popular vote and delegate count. Palmer should still remain seeing as he won a contest, but there is no clear reason to include Palmer without including Phillips as well. [[Special:Contributions/2600:100C:B231:A833:645B:81A2:EAB6:39D1|2600:100C:B231:A833:645B:81A2:EAB6:39D1]] ([[User talk:2600:100C:B231:A833:645B:81A2:EAB6:39D1|talk]]) 21:32, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
:'''No''' per the 2017 & 2020 RFC only one second place challenger should be featured if the race was non-competitive, in this case it was already Palmer (who held the second-most states). [[User:Expoe34|Expoe34]] ([[User talk:Expoe34|talk]]) 05:57, 1 July 2024 (UTC)


:But she is the incumbent VP. Her portrait was taken at the same time as Biden's was and in my opinion, her appearance didn't change dramatically for it to warrant an 'updated' picture. At this point, if we're going to change Kamala's pic, we should do the same for Joe or if we're keeping Joe's portrait, I can't see a valid reason as to why Kamala's shouldn't be kept. I was also opposed to changing Trump's portrait on the 2024 US election article, but the consensus was that the pic was seven years out dated and that his appearance allegedly changed. Three years (year of Kamala's pic) is not a long time IMO for there to be a drastic change in appearance to warrant a change in picture. [[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 05:34, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
== According to the Survey Results, Dean Phillips is being added to the Infobox ==
::Harris didn’t participate in the primaries, therefore she shouldn’t be listed AT ALL. [[Special:Contributions/64.18.11.14|64.18.11.14]] ([[User talk:64.18.11.14|talk]]) 11:55, 5 August 2024 (UTC)


== Williamson in infobox ==
In a 6-3 vote, democracy has aired in the favor of Dean Phillips' addition to the infobox. He will be added accordingly. [[User:RickStrate2029|RickStrate2029]] ([[User talk:RickStrate2029|talk]]) 18:13, 27 June 2024 (UTC)


I believe that even though an earlier consensus agreed the second-place human candidate should be on the infobox, Williamson doesn’t fit the criteria. As she’s received no pledged delegates, or support besides stating that she’s challenging Harris [[User:Expoe34|Expoe34]] ([[User talk:Expoe34|talk]]) 02:22, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
:The Survey should probably be Archived to prevent late-voting when the Survey has been completed. [[User:InterDoesWiki|InterDoesWiki]] ([[User talk:InterDoesWiki|talk]]) 02:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC)


:Williamson is in the convention nomination section of the infobox, not in the section about the primaries. So, I think the criteria for inclusion in the infobox shouldn't apply for the convention section since the convention isn't really a part of the primaries and I think all declared major candidates should instead be included in the convention section [[User:Punker85|Punker85]] ([[User talk:Punker85|talk]]) 20:05, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
== This article needs attention. ==
::Not everyone who ran in the primaries is running in the convention, so that would be unnecessary. [[User:David O. Johnson|David O. Johnson]] ([[User talk:David O. Johnson|talk]]) 21:41, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
:::True and I think I badly expressed myself. What I wanted to say is that I think declared major candidates ''who are still running in the race'' should be included in the convention nomination section of the infobox. So like how candidates were included in the infoboxes of state primaries/caucuses articles for the 2024 Republican and Democratic primaries before the results were in [[User:Punker85|Punker85]] ([[User talk:Punker85|talk]]) 01:39, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
::::I'm not even sure who's running, tbh. I think Harris filed, but details are sparse. [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kamala-harris-campaign-dnc-virtual-roll-call/]. Today was the deadline to submit it [https://www.npr.org/2024/07/26/g-s1-13338/kamala-harris-joe-biden-dnc-democrat-nominee] and I haven't seen anything indicating Williamson filed.


::::If Kamala is the only one running, the virtual vote will be held as early August 1. [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kamala-harris-campaign-dnc-virtual-roll-call/].
It does not reflect events of the past couple of weeks which dramatically affect its composition. I am not an experienced editor and don’t feel comfortable doing it myself and want to give experienced editors the opportunity first. [[Special:Contributions/65.131.41.68|65.131.41.68]] ([[User talk:65.131.41.68|talk]]) 12:57, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
:What specifically do you feel needs to be mentioned? While yes there has been sigificant events regarding who is/will be the Democratic nominee, nothing has really occured related to the ''primaries'', which is the topic of this article. --[[User:ZimZalaBim|<span style="color:black">Zim</span><b style="color:darkgreen">Zala</b><span style="color:black">Bim</span>]] <sup style="color:black">[[User talk:ZimZalaBim|talk]]</sup> 13:28, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
::Emphasis on '''relevance to the article's topic itself''' the party's 2024 ''primaries'' (which ended in June, before this talk page thread was created in July).


::::We'll find out what's going on eventually.[[User:David O. Johnson|David O. Johnson]] ([[User talk:David O. Johnson|talk]]) 02:24, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
::"''events of the past couple of weeks''" in general will be the reason inclusion of content is '''not''' appropriate.
:::::Harris filed according to the FEC: [https://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/303/202407219665705303/202407219665705303.pdf]
:::::As for Williamson, she amended her statement of candidacy on July 8: [https://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/940/202407089652716940/202407089652716940.pdf] [[User:Punker85|Punker85]] ([[User talk:Punker85|talk]]) 17:22, 29 July 2024 (UTC)


::::::[[User:Punker85|Punker85]], the FEC filing has no bearing on the virtual roll call process, which is separate.
::see [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a newspaper|WP: NOTNEWS]] ("what wikipedia is not: wikipedia is not a newspaper").


::::::Please see this NPR article: [https://www.npr.org/2024/07/26/g-s1-13338/kamala-harris-joe-biden-dnc-democrat-nominee] and this CBS article: [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kamala-harris-campaign-dnc-virtual-roll-call/] for more info on that process.
::
::''' <small><sup>NOTE: "Giving" experienced editors "opportunity" (first or otherwise) is like seeing litter and "giving" volunteer litter crews "first opportunity" to pick it up.</sup></small>'''


::::::As I mentioned earlier, it seems that Harris filed for it (per The Hill article), but it's unclear if Williamson did the same. [[User:David O. Johnson|David O. Johnson]] ([[User talk:David O. Johnson|talk]]) 18:35, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
::<sup>If you think adding something will improve an article</sup>
:::::::Ah, OK, I misunderstood what you said earlier [[User:Punker85|Punker85]] ([[User talk:Punker85|talk]]) 22:46, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
::<sup>- if you want to add it, you should add it.</sup>
:::::The results of the roll call vote are supposed to be finalized at 6pm ET today. [[User:RickStrate2029|RickStrate2029]] ([[User talk:RickStrate2029|talk]]) 18:21, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
::<sup>If you think you accidentally might fuck it up </sup>
::<sup>- you should add it.</sup> [[User:Pimprncess|Pimprncess]] ([[User talk:Pimprncess|talk]]) 03:53, 16 July 2024 (UTC)


== If Joe Biden is not the nominee ==
== Inclusion of Frankie Lozada in the Other Candidates Section ==


Should we add Frankie Lozada next to Cenk Uygur in the other candidate's section?
Yes, I know [[WP:CRYSTALBALL]] but considering that there is a real possibility that Biden is not the Democratic nominee, I figured I'd post this so there is a plan in place in case someone else (say, Kamala Harris) is the nominee. Since, as far as I know, neither party has nominated someone so unexpectedly in the era of national primaries, I am using the precedent of the [[1968 Democratic Party presidential primaries]] page, where the eventual nominee was Hubert Humphrey, who actually came in fifth in the delegate count and sixth in the popular vote in the primaries. In that infobox, Humphrey is shown after the two leading primary candidates. Based on that, I am proposing having Harris in the last position on the infobox but having her name be bolded.


This candidate won Loving County over Biden in the Texas 2024 Democratic Primary before withdrawing from the race and endorsing Jason Palmer. Frankie Lozada had the only other county victory by a candidate over Biden alongside Dean Philips' victories. Since he won a county in the primary Lozada is featured on this page's results section map. Additionally, Lozada's name is on this page's 'Initial pledged delegate allocation' and 'First-place results by county' map legends. People visiting this page may think it is odd that Lozada's name is included on the results page but not included as a candidate in the other candidates that withdrew during the primaries section. [[User:Smobes|Smobes]] ([[User talk:Smobes|talk]]) 03:06, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Of course, [[WP:CRYSTALBALL]] so we cannot assume Kamala Harris will be the nominee. If it's someone else, we can simply change the photo, name, and vote total.


:No, because he doesn't have the requirements to be in the other candidates section (which are having a Wikipedia page and being sourced) and I don't think winning one county is noteworthy enough to make an exception for him
I looked through all state results very quickly. More research might find more information. This was the number of write-ins for Harris that I found: Vermont: 23, Pennsylvania: 10 [https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/decision-2024/thousands-of-philly-democrats-wrote-in-names-other-than-biden-during-pa-primary-data-shows/3859764/]
:And also, Frankie Lozada shouldn't be in the legend for the initial pledged delegates map since he haven't won a single delegate [[User:Punker85|Punker85]] ([[User talk:Punker85|talk]]) 20:53, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
Total: 33


== Final delegate count ==
There's probably an argument to be made that, whether or not Joe Biden is the nominee, he has won the primaries in the sense that he has the most pledged delegates (even if they do not ultimately vote for him)


Anyone have the information on the final delegate count, so we can add that to the article? [[User:Prcc27|Prcc27]] ([[User talk:Prcc27|talk]]) 06:18, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
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== Harris Vermont write in votes ==
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Harris had 23 write in votes in the Vermont primary. Doesn't that technically mean she has at least 23 and not 0 votes? [[User:Lough Swilly|Lough Swilly]] ([[User talk:Lough Swilly|talk]]) 05:45, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
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| First place by expected pledged delegate allocation
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| First place by popular vote
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}} [[User:Baconheimian|Baconheimian]] ([[User talk:Baconheimian|talk]]) 15:01, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

== Biden no longer running for President ==

https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1815080881981190320 [[Special:Contributions/2601:C6:8303:5A90:61AE:13E3:1EE1:E739|2601:C6:8303:5A90:61AE:13E3:1EE1:E739]] ([[User talk:2601:C6:8303:5A90:61AE:13E3:1EE1:E739|talk]]) 18:05, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

== Color for Harris? ==

This is a very small detail, but what color should Kamala Harris be in the infobox? We already have [https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/politics/2024/07/21/tennessee-democratic-dnc-delegates-back-kamala-harris-as-presidential-nominee/74492560007/ Tennessee's delegates] backing Harris, so she will definitely be in the infobox. I don't think she should be navy like Biden, just to differentiate between the two. I think a dark scarlet or teal could contrast nicely. Here's my proposal:

'''Biden:''' {{color box|224192}}

'''Harris:''' {{color box|b01204}}

'''Williamson:''' {{color box|E05A9D}}

'''Phillips:''' {{color box|FE9900}}

'''Palmer:''' {{color box|9243B7}}

'''Other:''' {{color box|17a687}} ''(If any other candidate gets delegates. [https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/07/21/joe-biden-drops-out-election/manchin-for-president-00170167| Looks like Manchin might?])'' [[User:QuailWatts|QuailWatts]] ([[User talk:QuailWatts|talk]]) 23:10, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

:She already had a color for herself from the 2020 primaries which is this one: {{colorbox|ff7538}} #ff7538 [[User:Punker85|Punker85]] ([[User talk:Punker85|talk]]) 00:50, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
::The issue I have with that color is that it is too close to the orange used for Dean Phillips and could be confusing. Consistent colors between primaries, while nice, isn't a requirement, like Mitt Romney in [[2008 Republican Party presidential primaries|2008]] and [[2012 Republican Party presidential primaries|2012]]. [[User:QuailWatts|QuailWatts]] ([[User talk:QuailWatts|talk]]) 01:16, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
:::I think the colors of Dean Phillips and Harris are different enough for Harris to keep her color and I don't think an instance of a inconsistent color for a candidate should allow us to also do the same for other candidates [[User:Punker85|Punker85]] ([[User talk:Punker85|talk]]) 01:31, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
:::I support Red being used for Harris, as her 2020 color and dean phillips are too similar and may confusing for some users. Alternatively we could change Phillips’ as Harris takes priority [[User:Expoe34|Expoe34]] ([[User talk:Expoe34|talk]]) 21:01, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
::::I support keeping Harris the same as previous for consistency. The easiest way to do this would be to change Phillips to something different. She has already generated significantly more news coverage in the past 48 hours than Phillips did during his entire campaign, so I feel that the consistency is warranted. [[User:Michelangelo1992|Michelangelo1992]] ([[User talk:Michelangelo1992|talk]]) 22:28, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

== Two "Declined" sections ==

Is there a difference between the two groups based on pre-/post-Biden withdrawing, or is it just a redundancy that should be merged into one section? [[Special:Contributions/2601:406:4200:73F0:A412:F4F4:66FB:3FAC|2601:406:4200:73F0:A412:F4F4:66FB:3FAC]] ([[User talk:2601:406:4200:73F0:A412:F4F4:66FB:3FAC|talk]]) 06:34, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

:It's the first one. The section could use some reorganizing. [[User:David O. Johnson|David O. Johnson]] ([[User talk:David O. Johnson|talk]]) 07:23, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

:They were redundant sections after all. I've combined them into one section. [[User:David O. Johnson|David O. Johnson]] ([[User talk:David O. Johnson|talk]]) 19:57, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

==Delagate count for Harris in info box?==

Some slates of delagates that were pledged to Biden have since endorsed Harris (for example: Louisiana, Maryland, New Hampshire, South Carolina, and Tennessee). Should Harris be given a delegate count in the info box to reflect this? Or would this violate [[WP:CRYSTALBALL]]? I know that Biden has released his delegates so they can support any candidate, and I know an endorsement isn't binding in the same way being a "pledged" delegate is, but I figure an endorsement directly from these delegates means that these delegates are absolutely, definitively going to support Harris and so would be effectively the same as them pledging themselves to Harris.

Another option could be to have a note next to the delegate count number in the info box that specifies that this is due to an endorsement rather than being pledged as a result of a primary contest.

I'm thinking the box could look something like this, with the note saying ''Delegates from LA, MD, SC, and TN who were previously pledged to Joe Biden have endorsed Kamala Harris.'' :

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| election_name = 2024 Democratic Party presidential primaries
| country = United States
| previous_election = 2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries
| previous_year = 2020
| next_election = 2028 Democratic Party presidential primaries
| next_year = ''2028''
| module = {{Infobox election
| election_name = Presidential primary
| embed = yes
| type = primary
| ongoing = no
| election_date = January 23 to June 8, 2024
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| opinion_polls = Opinion polling for the 2024 Democratic Party presidential primaries
| image_size = x150px
| image1 = Joe Biden presidential portrait (cropped).jpg
| candidate1 = [[Joe Biden]]<br>(withdrawn){{efn|Biden withdrew his campaign on July 21, 2024, after the primaries had concluded, and endorsed his vice president, [[Kamala Harris]].}}
| colour1 = 224192
| home_state1 = [[Delaware]]
| delegate_count1 = '''3,905'''
| states_carried1 = '''56'''
| popular_vote1 = '''14,465,519'''
| percentage1 = '''87.1%'''<!-- add in NBC write-in totals for popular vote tracking when calculating percentages -->{{Efn|The calculation for percentage of votes excludes over/undervotes included by primary sources and accounts for write-ins included by the primary sources as well as additional write-in votes not included in their tracking, which have been reported by Edison Research in Massachusetts, Illinois, Washington, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Nebraska, and New Jersey.}}

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| candidate2 = [[Uncommitted (voting option)|Uncommitted]]{{Efn|Also includes:
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* "noncommitted delegate" in [[2024 Colorado Democratic presidential primary|Colorado]];
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Latest revision as of 19:38, 7 October 2024

Harris picture

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I think the picture of Harris should be changed from her official vice-presidential portrait to a more recent one since in the Democratic 2024, 2020, 2016, Republican 2024, 2020, 2016, 2012 primaries articles the vast majority of pictures used for candidates, with the notable exception of candidates who are incumbent presidents, are ones taken during or close in time to the primaries instead of official portraits. Harris is not the incumbent president, so I think a more recent image should be used for her Punker85 (talk) 22:41, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But she is the incumbent VP. Her portrait was taken at the same time as Biden's was and in my opinion, her appearance didn't change dramatically for it to warrant an 'updated' picture. At this point, if we're going to change Kamala's pic, we should do the same for Joe or if we're keeping Joe's portrait, I can't see a valid reason as to why Kamala's shouldn't be kept. I was also opposed to changing Trump's portrait on the 2024 US election article, but the consensus was that the pic was seven years out dated and that his appearance allegedly changed. Three years (year of Kamala's pic) is not a long time IMO for there to be a drastic change in appearance to warrant a change in picture. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:34, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Harris didn’t participate in the primaries, therefore she shouldn’t be listed AT ALL. 64.18.11.14 (talk) 11:55, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Williamson in infobox

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I believe that even though an earlier consensus agreed the second-place human candidate should be on the infobox, Williamson doesn’t fit the criteria. As she’s received no pledged delegates, or support besides stating that she’s challenging Harris Expoe34 (talk) 02:22, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Williamson is in the convention nomination section of the infobox, not in the section about the primaries. So, I think the criteria for inclusion in the infobox shouldn't apply for the convention section since the convention isn't really a part of the primaries and I think all declared major candidates should instead be included in the convention section Punker85 (talk) 20:05, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not everyone who ran in the primaries is running in the convention, so that would be unnecessary. David O. Johnson (talk) 21:41, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
True and I think I badly expressed myself. What I wanted to say is that I think declared major candidates who are still running in the race should be included in the convention nomination section of the infobox. So like how candidates were included in the infoboxes of state primaries/caucuses articles for the 2024 Republican and Democratic primaries before the results were in Punker85 (talk) 01:39, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not even sure who's running, tbh. I think Harris filed, but details are sparse. [1]. Today was the deadline to submit it [2] and I haven't seen anything indicating Williamson filed.
If Kamala is the only one running, the virtual vote will be held as early August 1. [3].
We'll find out what's going on eventually.David O. Johnson (talk) 02:24, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Harris filed according to the FEC: [4]
As for Williamson, she amended her statement of candidacy on July 8: [5] Punker85 (talk) 17:22, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Punker85, the FEC filing has no bearing on the virtual roll call process, which is separate.
Please see this NPR article: [6] and this CBS article: [7] for more info on that process.
As I mentioned earlier, it seems that Harris filed for it (per The Hill article), but it's unclear if Williamson did the same. David O. Johnson (talk) 18:35, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, OK, I misunderstood what you said earlier Punker85 (talk) 22:46, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The results of the roll call vote are supposed to be finalized at 6pm ET today. RickStrate2029 (talk) 18:21, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Inclusion of Frankie Lozada in the Other Candidates Section

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Should we add Frankie Lozada next to Cenk Uygur in the other candidate's section?

This candidate won Loving County over Biden in the Texas 2024 Democratic Primary before withdrawing from the race and endorsing Jason Palmer. Frankie Lozada had the only other county victory by a candidate over Biden alongside Dean Philips' victories. Since he won a county in the primary Lozada is featured on this page's results section map. Additionally, Lozada's name is on this page's 'Initial pledged delegate allocation' and 'First-place results by county' map legends. People visiting this page may think it is odd that Lozada's name is included on the results page but not included as a candidate in the other candidates that withdrew during the primaries section. Smobes (talk) 03:06, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, because he doesn't have the requirements to be in the other candidates section (which are having a Wikipedia page and being sourced) and I don't think winning one county is noteworthy enough to make an exception for him
And also, Frankie Lozada shouldn't be in the legend for the initial pledged delegates map since he haven't won a single delegate Punker85 (talk) 20:53, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Final delegate count

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Anyone have the information on the final delegate count, so we can add that to the article? Prcc27 (talk) 06:18, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Harris Vermont write in votes

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Harris had 23 write in votes in the Vermont primary. Doesn't that technically mean she has at least 23 and not 0 votes? Lough Swilly (talk) 05:45, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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