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== Butcher knife or kitchen knife? ==
== Merge proposal ==
The murder weapon is referred to twice as a "butcher knife", including a link to the Wikipedia on that subject (which tells us butcher knives are basically only used in the meat trade - so however did a teenager get hold of one?), and once as a "kitchen knife" (which Protti could easily have found in her own home, and isn't necessarily used to cut meat - indeed, she claimed she used it to peel fruit and vegetables when travelling, which is why she supposedly had one with her in the car). Using a "butcher knife" to peel fruit and vegetables would indeed be improbable, as the police concluded - but using a "kitchen knife" for that purpose would be less so, though an ordinary knife or penknife would have done the job. In any case the alternation between the two terms is confusing, as they clearly mean different things.[[Special:Contributions/89.212.50.177|89.212.50.177]] ([[User talk:89.212.50.177|talk]]) 12:37, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
The article [[Bernadette Protti]] is essentially no more than a fork of this article, with no content of its own. I suggest merging it back into this article - we don't need a separate article for the murderer and the victim, they can both be covered in a single article about the case. [[User:Terraxos|Terraxos]] ([[User talk:Terraxos|talk]]) 02:00, 20 November 2007 (UTC)



I think out of respect for the family of Kirsten Costos that the two articles should not be combined. Kirsten should be remembered for who she was and not for the last few minutes of her life. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/74.51.10.119|74.51.10.119]] ([[User talk:74.51.10.119|talk]]) 03:59, 20 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:I'm sorry, but Wikipedia is [[WP:NOT#MEMORIAL|not the place for memorials]]. Our articles exist to provide information on notable people and things, and Bernadette Protti is not notable except by her killing of Kirsten Costos - so she should not have her own article. I have redirected her article to this one; all the information on this case is now presented here. [[User:Terraxos|Terraxos]] ([[User talk:Terraxos|talk]]) 00:50, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

: In that case Booth shouldn't have article all he was famous for was killing someone. why not merge him into Lincolns Article. 2 articles are in appropriate. Same thing could be said about the people that killed Dr. King. Anyone that did anything important shouldnt have a article? so not Bill Gates article that all belongs under Widows ( which belongs under Microsoft) same thing for Steve Jobs right. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/74.70.31.100|74.70.31.100]] ([[User talk:74.70.31.100|talk]]) 18:46, 27 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
That is pretty warped logic there. John Wilkes Booth would meet the notability standards for a Wikipedia article if he had never shot Lincoln. The man was a famous actor of his time, and a matinee idol at that. The other examples where you attempt to compare Bill Gates with a miscreant such as Protti do not even merit serious comment or discussion.

As for your comment that "out of respect" for the Costas family, a separate entry should be maintained for Kristen, that is not the criteria determining such matters. Like the other poster said, we are not an online memorial site.([[Special:Contributions/75.69.241.91|75.69.241.91]] ([[User talk:75.69.241.91|talk]]) 06:47, 16 August 2009 (UTC))

And the name is Costas NOT 'Costos' as you both wrote. Is it too much to ask that you glance up at the top of the browser where the subject name is displayed??([[Special:Contributions/75.69.241.91|75.69.241.91]] ([[User talk:75.69.241.91|talk]]) 06:50, 16 August 2009 (UTC))

== Edited For Neutrality ==

The previous version, particularly the Background section, had a strong undertone condemning "less popular, less affluent" high school students, as well as Roman Catholics. Removed all mentions of popularity and unpopularity and all statements speculating upon Protti's motive (i.e."envy" and "jealousy".)

[[Special:Contributions/67.174.97.24|67.174.97.24]] ([[User talk:67.174.97.24|talk]]) 23:53, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

== Contested deletion ==

This page should not be speedily deleted because there's been an article here on the topic since 2008. I don't know why no references have been added in that time. I've just added three. Not speaking to '''[[wp:notable|notability]]''' at all, but the page shouldn't be speedied. I left a message on the nominator's page regarding the AfD process. --'''''<span style="font-family: Papyrus">[[User:Wikipelli|<font color="#01796F">Wikipelli</font>]] ''[[User talk:Wikipelli|<font color="#7b68ee"><sup>Talk</sup></font>]]</span>''' 17:41, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

== Rename ==

I propose renaming the article to [[Murder of Kirsten Costas]]. Kirsten Costas is notable because she was murdered and her murder case was made into a TV movie and then featured on an episode of [[Deadly Women]]. The article is mostly about the murder anyway... [[User:Paris1127|Paris1127]] ([[User talk:Paris1127|talk]]) 08:13, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

== Wrong description of suspect car given throughout by police and media ==

The suspect car was widely described by police to the media (Orinda Sun and Contra Costa Times, as well as television stations, radio, etc) as a Red or Orange Ford Pinto. In actuality it was a mustard colored Chevy Vega. Reports to police about a mustard colored Vega parked in site from the road on the Protti property were rudely dismissed by the arrogant and relatively new Orinda Police Department. Upon incorporation, Orinda stopped using the Contra Costa Sheriff's Dept. References to the descriptions given can be found in the "Sun" and "Times" newspapers referenced above. Also, it was a well known fact to Orindan's that Orinda Police harassed people (drivers) extensively during this period of time, as they were completely clueless as to how they were going to solve the murder. It was widely speculated in Orinda that many people suspected Protti in the murder, but for some reason were keeping silent. Locals attributed the rabid Police actions against residents as some sort of threat to get the people who knew to talk. [[User:Pover12|Pover12]] ([[User talk:Pover12|talk]]) 08:21, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
:You need to provide a source for this information. You can't just say the newspapers' names, you need actual articles, online or in print. What you want to add to the article requires a source and is otherwise just speculation. [[User:Paris1127|Paris1127]] ([[User talk:Paris1127|talk]]) 03:11, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::Thank ou for your thoughts Paris1127. Do I really "need" to document and reference on a talk page as if I was editing an Article? I thought the talk page was for many things, including some things that slipped through the cracks. For instance you will not ever find in a newspaper article that a wrong description of the suspect car was issued throughout in this case. It just was never mentioned. The red or orange Pinto description could be found if you had archives going back to 1984, and that description is still wrong. It was in fact a mustardy colored Vega the whole time. And the other things I mentioned were similarly not discussed in newspapers for I think fairly obvious reasons. On the talk page here, I believe it is incumbent upon you to "prove" me wrong, rather than the other way around. Or is the talk page of an article just fluff?[[User:Pover12|Pover12]] ([[User talk:Pover12|talk]]) 06:01, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
:::On the talk page no, but if you're putting it in the article then yes. That's why your edits have been reverted. [[User:Paris1127|Paris1127]] ([[User talk:Paris1127|talk]]) 07:00, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

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Butcher knife or kitchen knife?

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The murder weapon is referred to twice as a "butcher knife", including a link to the Wikipedia on that subject (which tells us butcher knives are basically only used in the meat trade - so however did a teenager get hold of one?), and once as a "kitchen knife" (which Protti could easily have found in her own home, and isn't necessarily used to cut meat - indeed, she claimed she used it to peel fruit and vegetables when travelling, which is why she supposedly had one with her in the car). Using a "butcher knife" to peel fruit and vegetables would indeed be improbable, as the police concluded - but using a "kitchen knife" for that purpose would be less so, though an ordinary knife or penknife would have done the job. In any case the alternation between the two terms is confusing, as they clearly mean different things.89.212.50.177 (talk) 12:37, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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