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Wiki Education assignment: Traditional Chinese Medicine

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 7 September 2022 and 12 December 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Sf23olso (article contribs). Peer reviewers: SienaTCM, Sienasaint13, Cam Coe27, Em09gatt, Mr13maye.

— Assignment last updated by Cam Coe27 (talk) 04:05, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

TCM is quackery which is not used as supposed evidence of medicinal efficacy for ginseng. Read WP:MEDRS and choose reputable reviews if changes in content are warranted. Zefr (talk) 17:57, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sourcing

User:Zefr, can you please review whether the article Ginseng is adequately sourced? Maxim Masiutin (talk) 07:37, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As with any consumed herbs or food ingredients, the literature supporting health effects is dubious and low-quality, exemplified by this PubMed search, which displays sources in MDPI (predatory) and untrustworthy altmed journals. To keep the information readily understandable for non-science users, I would rely on Drugs.com and MedlinePlus here and/or here, i.e., it is not effective for anything. Zefr (talk) 20:01, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I read this article and it didn't contain any health claims at all, but I thought you have a different pair of eyes and could notice something that I missed. Maxim Masiutin (talk) 20:06, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Over the years, there have been many attempts to insert health claims. The section on traditional medicine states well the absence of clear efficacy, and the section on FDA warning letters specifies the regulatory position on US supplement companies which are still marketing ginseng products falsely claimed as therapies. Zefr (talk) 20:12, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I removed any unsourced mentions about "therapeutic" properties, can you please review this diff https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ginseng&diff=1209426548&oldid=1209289836 to let me know whether it addresses your concern and the article content is now OK for you. Maxim Masiutin (talk) 21:38, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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+==Wiki Education assignment: Traditional Chinese Medicine==
-== Yeah, merge it ==
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+<span class="wikied-assignment" style="font-size:85%;">— Assignment last updated by [[User:Cam Coe27|Cam Coe27]] ([[User talk:Cam Coe27|talk]]) 04:05, 5 December 2022 (UTC)</span>
-It's a fairly short article. But the thing is you would have to merge the medicial benefits with the main "ginseng" article. Problem with this is that Korean ginseng purportedly has different medical effects.  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Wyattherb|Wyattherb]] ([[User talk:Wyattherb|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Wyattherb|contribs]]) 13:40, 15 March 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-:Merge which article?--[[User:Apokryltaros|Mr Fink]] ([[User talk:Apokryltaros|talk]]) 14:08, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
+:TCM is [[quackery]] which is not used as supposed evidence of medicinal efficacy for ginseng. Read [[WP:MEDRS]] and choose reputable reviews if changes in content are warranted. [[User:Zefr|Zefr]] ([[User talk:Zefr|talk]]) 17:57, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
-== Primary sources for medical claims ==
+== Sourcing ==
-Please don't do this... [[WP:MEDRS]]. [[User:Lesion|<font color="maroon">'''Lesion'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Lesion|<font color="maroon">''talk''</font>]]) 17:09, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
+[[User:Zefr]], can you please review whether the article [[Ginseng]] is adequately sourced? [[User:Maxim Masiutin|Maxim Masiutin]] ([[User talk:Maxim Masiutin|talk]]) 07:37, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
-==Sun ginseng?==
+:As with any consumed herbs or food ingredients, the literature supporting health effects is dubious and low-quality, exemplified by [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=ginseng+review this PubMed search], which displays sources in [[MDPI]] (predatory) and untrustworthy altmed journals. To keep the information readily understandable for non-science users, I would rely on Drugs.com and MedlinePlus [https://medlineplus.gov/druginfo/natural/1000.html here] and/or [https://medlineplus.gov/druginfo/natural/967.html here], i.e., it is not ''effective'' for anything. [[User:Zefr|Zefr]] ([[User talk:Zefr|talk]]) 20:01, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
-Removed from article for discussion/editing if of interest. --[[User:Zefr|Zefr]] ([[User talk:Zefr|talk]]) 00:09, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
+::I read this article and it didn't contain any health claims at all, but I thought you have a different pair of eyes and could notice something that I missed. [[User:Maxim Masiutin|Maxim Masiutin]] ([[User talk:Maxim Masiutin|talk]]) 20:06, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
+:::Over the years, there have been many attempts to insert health claims. The section on traditional medicine states well the absence of clear efficacy, and the section on FDA warning letters specifies the regulatory position on US supplement companies which are still marketing ginseng products falsely claimed as therapies. [[User:Zefr|Zefr]] ([[User talk:Zefr|talk]]) 20:12, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
-Sun ginseng is created from a heat processing method which increases ginsenoside components such as ginsenoside-[Rg.sub.3], -[Rk.sub.1] and -[Rg.sub.5] by steaming white ginseng at a higher temperature than red ginseng. The herb is steamed for three hours at {{convert|120|°C|0|abbr=on}}. Sun ginseng has increased nitric oxide, superoxide, hydroxyl radical and peroxynitrite scavenging activities compared with conventionally processed red or white versions. The increased steaming temperature produces an optimal amount of biological activity due to its ability to amplify specific ginsenosides.{{Citation needed|date=July 2013}}
+::::I removed any unsourced mentions about "therapeutic" properties, can you please review this diff https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ginseng&diff=1209426548&oldid=1209289836 to let me know whether it addresses your concern and the article content is now OK for you. [[User:Maxim Masiutin|Maxim Masiutin]] ([[User talk:Maxim Masiutin|talk]]) 21:38, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
-==Recommended doses?==
-Hello - I'm not experienced enough to know or edit according to the accepted Wikipedia format for articles... but I can tell when there is information missing that I might be looking for which could / would be of interest to others.  In this case, there is nothing in this article about doses - recommended, excessive or overdosages.  This information is of special importance for supplements where the FDA usually has not posted any helpful guidance for researchers & potential users.  Anyone with more knowledge & experience want to step up?
-Cheers,
-[[User:Dirty Dan the Man|Dirty Dan the Man]] ([[User talk:Dirty Dan the Man|talk]]) 05:13, 10 February 2015 (UTC)