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==Wiki Education assignment: Traditional Chinese Medicine==
== New Panax article ==
{{dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment | course = Wikipedia:Wiki_Ed/Siena_College/Traditional_Chinese_Medicine_(Fall_2022) | assignments = [[User:Sf23olso|Sf23olso]] | reviewers = [[User:SienaTCM|SienaTCM]], [[User:Sienasaint13|Sienasaint13]], [[User:Cam Coe27|Cam Coe27]], [[User:Em09gatt|Em09gatt]], [[User:Mr13maye|Mr13maye]] | start_date = 2022-09-07 | end_date = 2022-12-12 }}


<span class="wikied-assignment" style="font-size:85%;">— Assignment last updated by [[User:Cam Coe27|Cam Coe27]] ([[User talk:Cam Coe27|talk]]) 04:05, 5 December 2022 (UTC)</span>
An article for the genus ''Panax'' needs to be created, at least a stub. Panax redirects to Ginseng so some of the information in this article is superfluous to ginseng. I have no idea what this takes to do.[[User:User-duck|User-duck]] ([[User talk:User-duck|talk]]) 01:20, 21 June 2017 (UTC)


:TCM is [[quackery]] which is not used as supposed evidence of medicinal efficacy for ginseng. Read [[WP:MEDRS]] and choose reputable reviews if changes in content are warranted. [[User:Zefr|Zefr]] ([[User talk:Zefr|talk]]) 17:57, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
== Panax article created ==


== Sourcing ==
I moved content to create the [[Panax]] article. Primarily, I moved the list of species which I had added previously to this article. I also moved information about the ginseng (the plant) to focus this article on ginseng (the product).[[User:User-duck|User-duck]] ([[User talk:User-duck|talk]]) 18:13, 26 June 2017 (UTC)


[[User:Zefr]], can you please review whether the article [[Ginseng]] is adequately sourced? [[User:Maxim Masiutin|Maxim Masiutin]] ([[User talk:Maxim Masiutin|talk]]) 07:37, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
== Removing content because of reference. ==


:As with any consumed herbs or food ingredients, the literature supporting health effects is dubious and low-quality, exemplified by [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=ginseng+review this PubMed search], which displays sources in [[MDPI]] (predatory) and untrustworthy altmed journals. To keep the information readily understandable for non-science users, I would rely on Drugs.com and MedlinePlus [https://medlineplus.gov/druginfo/natural/1000.html here] and/or [https://medlineplus.gov/druginfo/natural/967.html here], i.e., it is not ''effective'' for anything. [[User:Zefr|Zefr]] ([[User talk:Zefr|talk]]) 20:01, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
I do not intend to start a "talk" war. A statement along with its reference was removed from this article giving "''commercial site; not a WP:RS source''" as the reason.
::I read this article and it didn't contain any health claims at all, but I thought you have a different pair of eyes and could notice something that I missed. [[User:Maxim Masiutin|Maxim Masiutin]] ([[User talk:Maxim Masiutin|talk]]) 20:06, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

:::Over the years, there have been many attempts to insert health claims. The section on traditional medicine states well the absence of clear efficacy, and the section on FDA warning letters specifies the regulatory position on US supplement companies which are still marketing ginseng products falsely claimed as therapies. [[User:Zefr|Zefr]] ([[User talk:Zefr|talk]]) 20:12, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
Yes, the referenced article was from a commercial site. But that is not disallowed.
::::I removed any unsourced mentions about "therapeutic" properties, can you please review this diff https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ginseng&diff=1209426548&oldid=1209289836 to let me know whether it addresses your concern and the article content is now OK for you. [[User:Maxim Masiutin|Maxim Masiutin]] ([[User talk:Maxim Masiutin|talk]]) 21:38, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

I consider the existence of the article ("The piece of work itself") as "proof" of the statement. I chose the particular article because it is in English and primarily explained the cultivation of Korean ginseng. And not about the vendor's products.

I did not implement an "external link". Wikipedia's '''external-link guidelines do not apply to citations to reliable sources within the body of the article.'''

If the supporting reference was unsuitable, the reference should have been removed (probably replaced with {{cn}}), not the statement.

I was not able to find a "non-commercial reliable source". I would appreciate another editor replacing my reference with one.

For these reasons, I am undoing the undo.

From <big>Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources</big>:

'''Definition of a source'''

The word "source" ''when citing sources on Wikipedia'' has three related meanings:
* The piece of work itself (the article, book)
* The creator of the work (the writer, journalist)
* The publisher of the work (for example, [[Random House]] or [[Cambridge University Press]])

'''Vendor and e-commerce sources'''

Although the content guidelines for [[WP:EL|external links]] prohibits linking to "Individual web pages that primarily exist to sell products or services," inline citations may be allowed to e-commerce pages such as that of a book on a bookseller's page or an album on its streaming-music page, in order to [[WP:VERIFY|verify]] such things as titles and running times. Journalistic and academic sources are preferable, however, and e-commerce links should be replaced with non-commercial reliable sources if available.
[[User:User-duck|User-duck]] ([[User talk:User-duck|talk]]) 22:22, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

== Move whole article to "Panax ginseng" ==

All other languages have a single article on Ginseng under the heading "Panax ginseng". English should go there, too. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Antepali|Antepali]] ([[User talk:Antepali#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Antepali|contribs]]) 10:50, 4 August 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Latest revision as of 07:31, 8 October 2024

Wiki Education assignment: Traditional Chinese Medicine

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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 7 September 2022 and 12 December 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Sf23olso (article contribs). Peer reviewers: SienaTCM, Sienasaint13, Cam Coe27, Em09gatt, Mr13maye.

— Assignment last updated by Cam Coe27 (talk) 04:05, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

TCM is quackery which is not used as supposed evidence of medicinal efficacy for ginseng. Read WP:MEDRS and choose reputable reviews if changes in content are warranted. Zefr (talk) 17:57, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sourcing

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User:Zefr, can you please review whether the article Ginseng is adequately sourced? Maxim Masiutin (talk) 07:37, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As with any consumed herbs or food ingredients, the literature supporting health effects is dubious and low-quality, exemplified by this PubMed search, which displays sources in MDPI (predatory) and untrustworthy altmed journals. To keep the information readily understandable for non-science users, I would rely on Drugs.com and MedlinePlus here and/or here, i.e., it is not effective for anything. Zefr (talk) 20:01, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I read this article and it didn't contain any health claims at all, but I thought you have a different pair of eyes and could notice something that I missed. Maxim Masiutin (talk) 20:06, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Over the years, there have been many attempts to insert health claims. The section on traditional medicine states well the absence of clear efficacy, and the section on FDA warning letters specifies the regulatory position on US supplement companies which are still marketing ginseng products falsely claimed as therapies. Zefr (talk) 20:12, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I removed any unsourced mentions about "therapeutic" properties, can you please review this diff https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ginseng&diff=1209426548&oldid=1209289836 to let me know whether it addresses your concern and the article content is now OK for you. Maxim Masiutin (talk) 21:38, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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