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== Updating this article ==
== "granted by Chapter 2 of the Constitution" ==


Little of the material in this article refers to a period later than the last 12 years. The entire entry needs updating with relevant new sources of information.
Given the controversial nature of where rights and liberties come from (government vs. nature vs. religion), shouldn't it read "are protected under Chapter 2 of the Constitution" as to come across as less biased?--[[Special:Contributions/24.240.187.254|24.240.187.254]] ([[User talk:24.240.187.254|talk]]) 20:56, 17 November 2012 (UTC)


I've made a start with the introduction, but need to confirm some of the statements there with suitable references. If any one else can add them that would be excellent!
Putin needs to look at problems in own country. Showing not sane enough to hold office. Projecting your own complaints on others which shows a paranoid, delusional man he is! <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Cookingmachine1|Cookingmachine1]] ([[User talk:Cookingmachine1|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cookingmachine1|contribs]]) 22:52, 3 March 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


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=== Made one intro change, added a reference ===
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There was a sentence at the end of paragraph 4 in the introduction that said "A law was passed in December 2015, that would give national legislation precedence over international legal commitments." I felt that was kind of muddy - if the law *was* passed, it *does give*, yes? It only "would give" if it was not yet passed. At any rate, I found a reference to the law and redid that sentence with more details and the appropriate reference. Feel free to change/revert if this is not right.
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=="Many common people..."==
Just noticed a [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Human_rights_in_Russia&type=revision&diff=707452367&oldid=707356989 reversion] of [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Human_rights_in_Russia&diff=prev&oldid=707356989 this edit], which was an uncited, [[Wikipedia:NPOV|non-neutral]], [[Wikipedia:Original research|original research]] statement in unclear English: ''"Many common people report the missing of freedom of speech and acting and also a clear missing of democracy and safety for Russians and foreign citizens."'' I believe the removal of the statement should stick, unless someone can clean up the writing and provide a citation (and certainly someone could find a summary of human rights groups or government reports which verify this opinion). I also want to state clearly that I haven't edited the page, the original removal was an IP and left no discussion or edit summary, but I don't think the statement offers much value here without a citation. ---[[User:Owlsmcgee|Owlsmcgee]] ([[User talk:Owlsmcgee|talk]]) 01:58, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
:You failed to mention that the IP also removed content [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Human_rights_in_Russia&diff=707357281&oldid=707356989 here]... and, in both ''successive'' cases, failed to provide an [[WP:ES|edit summary]]. Grammar can easily be fixed. I would have accepted the first removal on the same grounds as you've noted, but the IP's ensuing second content removal smacked of [[WP:IDONTLIKEIT]]. If I can't find a citation for the first content removal, I'm more than happy to remove it... but I certainly understand the gist of what is being conveyed, therefore should have no problems in finding [[WP:RS]] for it. --[[User:Iryna Harpy|Iryna Harpy]] ([[User talk:Iryna Harpy|talk]]) 05:41, 29 February 2016 (UTC)


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== Reconstruction of Chechnya - up to 2010 ==

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== The judicial system as a means of oppression? ==

On the 4th of April, I read the folowing allegation on the "Judicial system" section: "Among the more recent examples of '''the Government using a court system as a tool of political oppression''' are the cases of [[Pussy Riot]], [[Alexei Navalny]], and [[Zarema Bagavutdinova]]." Since no references were provided, and the allegation was very serious, I removed it. I was then reverted by an experienced editor who advised me to ask for other editors' opinions on the tak page. Since then, that editor has attached 7 references to the allegation. Unfortunately, none of them support the claim. It might be true that Russian courts take orders from the government, but I strongly believe that Wikipedia cannot present this as fact without strong evidence. If someone provides such evidence I will be very happy to keep the sentence, otherwise I will delete it. [[User:Ardhanarishvara|Ardhanarishvara]] ([[User talk:Ardhanarishvara|talk]]) 21:01, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
:I agree that it should be removed. If anything, it is more pertinent to the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judiciary_of_Russia#Analysis_and_criticism analysis and criticism] section of the "Judiciary of Russia" if it belongs anywhere. --[[User:Iryna Harpy|Iryna Harpy]] ([[User talk:Iryna Harpy|talk]]) 23:00, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
::I am very happy to see that we agree, and I will remove it. All the best! [[User:Ardhanarishvara|Ardhanarishvara]] ([[User talk:Ardhanarishvara|talk]]) 03:55, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
:::I just saw that you have removed it yourself and I thank you for it. [[User:Ardhanarishvara|Ardhanarishvara]] ([[User talk:Ardhanarishvara|talk]]) 03:59, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
:::*This is already fixed! It does not tell any more about "means of oppression" (although this is in fact oppression). [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 03:58, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
:What it tells is merely the fact that there are political prisoners in Russia. It ''is'' a variety of oppression, and it is well sourced. One only need to change the wording. [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 12:38, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
::You're welcome to suggest a change to the wording, {{u|My very best wishes}}. --[[User:Iryna Harpy|Iryna Harpy]] ([[User talk:Iryna Harpy|talk]]) 22:23, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
:::Thank you! This user just reverted our recent edits with misleading edit summary [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Human_rights_in_Russia&diff=prev&oldid=714322512]. Fixed. [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 03:58, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
::::My very best wishes, I have the strange impression that you are following me. First on [[Media freedom in Turkey]] and then here. I am sure that this is a wrong impression. What does "This user just reverted '''our''' recent edits" mean? Who are you talking to? Do you make edits in collaboration with other editors? I am sorry if I reverted one of your edits, I am not interested in the author. My only criterion is whether the edit is supported by sources or not. In my humble opinion, allegations starting with "it is said that.." should be deleted on sight. They are damaging the credibility of Wikipedia. I never suggested that the claim that '''the Government (is) using a court system as a tool''' merely needed rewording. It has to be '''substantiated'''. So, please, find a source that specificallly asserts this or do not reinsert the allegation. [[User:Ardhanarishvara|Ardhanarishvara]] ([[User talk:Ardhanarishvara|talk]]) 13:51, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::Current text tells: "The court system has been widely used to suppress political opposition [44] [45][46] as in the cases of Pussy Riot,[47][48] Alexei Navalny,[48][49] and Zarema Bagavutdinova[50]" As you can see, the supporting sources have been provided. Are you saying that they do not support the statement? [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 14:40, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
{{od|5}}While I was on the fence regarding the inclusion of this content, I don't actually think that it is [[WP:SYNTH]] (please see [[WP:NOTSYNTH]]). Given that I found multiple [[WP:RS|sources]] attesting to the veracity of the content, it does not "...combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources", but is a reflection of what reliable sources say on the matter. It is also directly related to the subject of the article as it is directly related to human rights abuses via the judiciary system (i.e., not UNDUE).

If it comes to the point, I'd hardly touched the surface in terms of the number of academic sources examining the unhealthy relationship between the state and the judiciary, but [[WP:CITEOVERKILL]] is strongly discouraged. If there are enough reliable sources stating that such a relationship does not exist, these can be used to counter the predominant scholarship in the section. --[[User:Iryna Harpy|Iryna Harpy]] ([[User talk:Iryna Harpy|talk]]) 22:06, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

::Dear Iryna, you said in a previous comment that you agreed that the allegation should be removed. This is why I did it. Now another user, who has followed me on different articles, and seems foolishly intent on thwarting me, has appeared on this page too. He strangely seems to scold you for agreeing with me and has threatened me of a block for edit warring on my talk page (I returned his warning, since he is the one doing the edit warring). I hate confrontation, therefore I will leave the edit as it is. However, it is my belief that such unsubstantiated claims are detrimental to Wikipedia. If the allegation is documented by scholarly publications, then it deserves an article in itself. Otherwise we cannot present it as fact, we should clearly attribute it to the sources (if any) in the text of the article itself. I hope that you will find some merit in my argumentation. Cheers! [[User:Ardhanarishvara|Ardhanarishvara]] ([[User talk:Ardhanarishvara|talk]]) 22:54, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

*This is not anything exceptional. People are unjustly persecuted in courts in many countries. However, in Putin's Russia there is already a specific expression about this, "Basmanny Justice" (see article on ruwiki about it [[:ru:Басманное правосудие]]). Some good refs, perhaps to be used on this page: [http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-system-judge-for-yourselves/24677992.html], [http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB111757666349647505], books by different authors [https://books.google.com/books?id=tCraAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA97&lpg=PA97&dq=basmanny+justice&source=bl&ots=LSUJCK9MG0&sig=-X0udW7fLdXLRyF1BYX41VDgl90&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjhr-yF04LMAhUFDZoKHX2WBkAQ6AEIPDAF#v=onepage&q=basmanny%20justice&f=false], [https://books.google.com/books?id=oewV_u6iufAC&pg=PA72&lpg=PA72&dq=basmanny+justice&source=bl&ots=ZhH-7atd2Q&sig=eBrKlzGZXjVTiyj_39U9-aWlAdA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjhr-yF04LMAhUFDZoKHX2WBkAQ6AEISjAI#v=onepage&q=basmanny%20justice&f=false], even by a pro-Putin historian Sakwa [https://books.google.com/books?id=FHn6GavS9c0C&pg=PA44&lpg=PA44&dq=basmanny+justice&source=bl&ots=ergI5W0rkc&sig=ew436_ouFTNseSKishnlIEAOwhk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjhr-yF04LMAhUFDZoKHX2WBkAQ6AEITTAJ#v=onepage&q=basmanny%20justice&f=false]. There is no problem to sources this. This is obviously related to cases of Savchenko, Khodorkovsky, Magnitsky, etc., and I am only telling about most internationally famous cases... [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 23:06, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

* If you have sufficient reliable sources, why don't you write an article? But, please, don't add sources that are manifestly biased. I hope you see that their use is counterproductive. [[User:Ardhanarishvara|Ardhanarishvara]] ([[User talk:Ardhanarishvara|talk]]) 23:12, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
::You said in your previous comment that you "will leave the edit as it is". That's fine. Matter resolved. [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]])


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::I had not read the [[:Judiciary of Russia]] article properly, but I have now. Essentially, that article is dedicated to how the judicial system is structured, and the content here is not a summary of that as the main article (so I'll be changing the hatnote to 'see also' instead of 'main article'). If the section on the judicial system of the RF - as directly pertaining to human rights - is developed further in this article, there may be reason to create a [[WP:SPINOFF]] article. In such a case, the main article will be the spin-off article. As there isn't such an article, you cannot ask another editor to create it because your objection to the content is based on [[WP:IDONTLIKEIT]]. --[[User:Iryna Harpy|Iryna Harpy]] ([[User talk:Iryna Harpy|talk]]) 23:55, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
:::You may look [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_Soviet_Union#Soviet_concept_of_human_rights_and_legal_system here] for perspective. It's not exactly the same in modern Russia (yet), however all "political" cases are decided in advance from the "above", and there are tens thousands fabricated criminal cases where people are convicted to take over their property. This is a criminal takeover when judges are bribed or ordered to convict people by "superiors", not to be confused with [[Corporate raid]]s in other countries. [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 00:19, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
::::It's unfortunate that I didn't bookmark it for myself, but I found an excellent book on the subject of the continuation of the Soviet-style judicial system as being entrenched in the new RF (and in Ukraine, but to a marginally lesser extent) written in about 2010. I'll have to look for it again. Essentially, it's a balanced account as it discusses the post-Soviet nation-states as being young democracies with inherent problems in their understanding of the importance of separating the processes. I'm a terrible bookmark hoarder, and I have so much peripheral rubbish bookmarked that I can't figure out how I missed keeping this. Oh, well, I'm going to have to seek it out again. --[[User:Iryna Harpy|Iryna Harpy]] ([[User talk:Iryna Harpy|talk]]) 00:53, 10 April 2016 (UTC)


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::: Dear Iryna, my objections are based on principle. I am not objecting to the content, I am only objecting to Wikpedia endorsing it and presenting it as fact. The blunt assertion: "The court system has been widely used to suppress political opposition" is unacceptable in an encyclopedia. I added the phrase "According to some sources" to have a more neutral formulation. While you called that "weasel", I call it neutrality. I believe that Wikipedia should report noteworthy allegations, while keeping a non-committal approach. For instance, I have read in a respected newspaper that "David Cameron should be sent to prison". While I believe that we could cite this opinion, if we clearly attribute it to its author in the text, we should not give the impression that we endorse it. [[User:Ardhanarishvara|Ardhanarishvara]] ([[User talk:Ardhanarishvara|talk]]) 01:08, 10 April 2016 (UTC)


::::The matter is far from being "resolved". The fact that I don't want to engage in edit warring does not mean that I think you are right. [[User:Ardhanarishvara|Ardhanarishvara]] ([[User talk:Ardhanarishvara|talk]]) 01:14, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
The article needs updates regarding the war. The 'Media freedom' section informs about the war, but the war is real. [[User:Xx236|Xx236]] ([[User talk:Xx236|talk]]) 09:17, 30 November 2022 (UTC)


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:::::I did not call it 'weasel': I was pointing to a best practice guideline. The shortcut is [[WP:WEASEL]]. The use of such qualifiers is not always 'weasel', but the fact that multiple sources state this as fact means that it is not even 'some', it's 'the majority'. "Reliable sources may analyze and interpret, but we, as editors, cannot do so ourselves, since that would be original research or would violate the Neutral point of view." Changing 'majority' to 'some' ''is'' interpretation. It's better to avoid enumeration in this instance because I would be compelled to change it to 'majority'. I fully understand that there will always be concerns with principles on numerous articles, but we must be guided by [[WP:PG|policies and guidelines]] rather than our own objections or discomfort with the presentation of information. If we [[WP:CENSOR|censored]] all articles in this manner, there would be no encyclopaedic resource known as Wikipedia. --[[User:Iryna Harpy|Iryna Harpy]] ([[User talk:Iryna Harpy|talk]]) 01:47, 10 April 2016 (UTC)


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:::::Dear Iryna, I am in no way suggesting that we should censor anything, only clearly attribute serious allegations to their authors. It is simply not true that the majority of publications on the legal system of the Russian Federation describe it as a tool for oppression. Here<ref>{{cite web|title=The Russian Federation's Legal System|url=http://faculty.cua.edu/fischer/ComparativeLaw2002/Russian%20Federation%20Website.html|website=The Catholic University of America|accessdate=10 April 2016}}</ref>, for instance, not a word about it, and I could cite dozens of scholarly articles which don't mention the fact that the Judiciary is not independent of the executive branch. It would be a strange omission for such a serious infringement of the constitution. It may be true, but I believe that we should be cautious and remain non-committal. As concerns the "Pussy Riot" case, I don't think that the Government had to give any order to the court, the outrage among the orthodox population was sufficient pressure; this is obvious. If they had done in a New York synagogue what they did in an orthodox church, do you think they would have been congratulated? I wouldn't bet the house on it. [[User:Ardhanarishvara|Ardhanarishvara]] ([[User talk:Ardhanarishvara|talk]]) 02:25, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
::::::The link you've provided isn't working. Note, also, that this is an article talk page, not a [[WP:SOAP|forum]]. Speculation and comparisons to things that haven't happened in other countries is not appropriate here... particularly in light of the fact that you might be surprised at the constitutionally upheld level of separation between the judiciary and government in the US (see [[Fred Phelps]] to get the feel for parallels). --[[User:Iryna Harpy|Iryna Harpy]] ([[User talk:Iryna Harpy|talk]]) 03:41, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
::::::*The question under discussion is the use of "courts" and "judges" in Russia for oppression and the lack of rule of law in general. This problem has many faces. One of them is that a lot of decisions are taken personally on the very top. Speaking of Pussy Riot, no one familiar with the subject really doubts that decision was taken personally by Putin. He said very openly that they should not be judged "too harshly," and that he hopes the court will make "the right decision." (ref 47 on this page). ''This is all personal'' because there is no law. They singed: "Mother Mary, please drive ''Putin'' away" (same ref.) Some political analysts believe that War in Georgia started because Saakashvili called Putin "LilliPutean". Some think that Crimea was annexed because P. felt personally offended by dismissal of his protegee Y. during his triumph in Sochi. [[Stanislav Belkovsky|Some]] think that he started bombing the civilian infrastructure in Syria because foreign leaders ignored him on international meetings. And of course many critics were killed (you should probably add Nemtsov on this page). [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 04:31, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

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Little of the material in this article refers to a period later than the last 12 years. The entire entry needs updating with relevant new sources of information.

I've made a start with the introduction, but need to confirm some of the statements there with suitable references. If any one else can add them that would be excellent!

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There was a sentence at the end of paragraph 4 in the introduction that said "A law was passed in December 2015, that would give national legislation precedence over international legal commitments." I felt that was kind of muddy - if the law *was* passed, it *does give*, yes? It only "would give" if it was not yet passed. At any rate, I found a reference to the law and redid that sentence with more details and the appropriate reference. Feel free to change/revert if this is not right.

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