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New article regarding Biden's decision to drop out - can be retooled from a deleted one

Draft:Suspension of the Joe Biden 2024 presidential campaign. Resurrected from Calls for Joe Biden to suspend his 2024 United States presidential campaign. Tense needs to be adjusted and it can trimmed down, but many references are there. MarkiPoli (talk) 18:21, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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File:President Biden letter on resigning from reelection.png

FYI, File:President Biden letter on resigning from reelection.png (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) has been nominated for deletion at COMMONS:Commons:Deletion requests/File:President Biden letter on resigning from reelection.png -- 65.92.247.96 (talk) 22:46, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of "Groups and individuals publicly calling for President Biden to end his campaign" infobox and replacement with link to main article

This description box is very large and yet it still does not encapsulate the full breadth of calls for Biden to end his campaign. I suggest the infobox is removed and be replaced with the link to the main article: "List of Democrats who opposed the Joe Biden 2024 presidential campaign" which is far more detailed and complete. The paragraphs preceding the infobox can remain and serve as a major summary for what a user can find in the main article link. Agent123456789 (talk) 22:10, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I went through both lists and removed the duplicates. There were a few categories in this article that aren't reflected in the List of Democrats who opposed the Joe Biden 2024 presidential campaign article ("Organizations", as well as "Newspapers and magazines", so I'm not sure what should be done with those. I'll go ahead and move the individual listings that are left that do fit the categories. David O. Johnson (talk) 23:06, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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+== New article regarding Biden's decision to drop out - can be retooled from a deleted one  ==
+[[Draft:Suspension of the Joe Biden 2024 presidential campaign]]. Resurrected from [[Calls for Joe Biden to suspend his 2024 United States presidential campaign]]. Tense needs to be adjusted and it can trimmed down, but many references are there. [[User:MarkiPoli|MarkiPoli]] ([[User talk:MarkiPoli|talk]]) 18:21, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
+:{{see also|Draft:Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign}} --[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 19:03, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
+==[[:File:President Biden letter on resigning from reelection.png]]==
+FYI, {{lf|President Biden letter on resigning from reelection.png}} has been nominated for deletion at [[:COMMONS:Commons:Deletion requests/File:President Biden letter on resigning from reelection.png]]
+-- [[Special:Contributions/65.92.247.96|65.92.247.96]] ([[User talk:65.92.247.96|talk]]) 22:46, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
+== Deletion of "Groups and individuals publicly calling for President Biden to end his campaign" infobox and replacement with link to main article ==
-== I have moved Joe Biden 2024 presidential campaign to mainspace ==
+This description box is very large and yet it still does not encapsulate the full breadth of calls for Biden to end his campaign. I suggest the infobox is removed and be replaced with the link to the main article: "List of Democrats who opposed the Joe Biden 2024 presidential campaign" which is far more detailed and complete. The paragraphs preceding the infobox can remain and serve as a major summary for what a user can find in the main article link. [[User:Agent123456789|Agent123456789]] ([[User talk:Agent123456789|talk]]) 22:10, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
-Biden and his proxies have repeatedly said that he ''is running'', which I think is enough to have a live article on the campaign. Basically, every appearance, trip, or event by a sitting president who intends to seek reelection has a dimension of being towards winning that reelection. Even if Biden were to decide not to run at this point, that would be more like a declared candidate dropping out (which we cover) than a possible candidate never declaring. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 06:31, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
-:I disagree on the basis that Biden and his proxies have repeatedly stated that he ''is going to run'', which is very different from actually running. Clearly there is speculation about his campaign, but to claim that it is current and ongoing I think is not supported by the consensus of reliable sources. [[User:Przemysl15|Przemysl15]] ([[User talk:Przemysl15|talk]]) 06:15, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
-:: I put this in the category of ''[[Star Trek: Planet of the Titans]]''—an unproduced film about which so much was reported that it is still notable despite never passing the writing stage. Biden's unequivocally stated re-election aspirations have had an effect on the political field equivalent to a declaration of candidacy, and this has been the subject of coverage in reliable sources. Also, I think it is hard to say that there really is not a current and ongoing campaign. Once the sitting president says that he "is going to run", what can he do in office that would not be seen as promoting his re-election? [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 06:46, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
+:Hi, I went through both lists and removed the duplicates. There were a few categories in this article that aren't reflected in the [[List of Democrats who opposed the Joe Biden 2024 presidential campaign]] article ("Organizations", as well as "Newspapers and magazines", so I'm not sure what should be done with those. I'll go ahead and move the individual listings that are left that do fit the categories. [[User:David O. Johnson|David O. Johnson]] ([[User talk:David O. Johnson|talk]]) 23:06, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
-:::I am shocked and surprised that [[WP:Service awards#Grandmaster Editor First-Class (or Grand High Togneme Laureate)|such an experienced Wikipedian]] doesn't know better and [[WP:CRYSTALBALL|thinks he can get away with this]]. I put your "Planet of the Titans" argument in the category of [[WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS]]. As far as what a sitting president can do that is not seen as promoting re-election, how about [[Lyndon B. Johnson#1968 presidential election|Lyndon Johnson's statement on May 31, 1968]]? Would you have such a passionate view about a president you didn't like?
-:::As Przemysl15 says, saying he "is going to run" is ''not saying he will run.'' And I agree there is ''no perceivable consensus of reliable sources'';  Biden's public approval, mental faculties, and chances of reelection are seen as ''controversial and rated differently by different sources''; this is '''a matter of opinion'''. You can't just dismiss sources you don't like
-:::Here are some reminders of the pertinent "crystal ball" policy:
-#Individual '''scheduled or expected future events''' should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place. Dates are not definite until the event actually takes place,'' as even otherwise-notable events can be cancelled or postponed at the last minute by a major incident. (For example, it has just been disclosed that Biden has contracted Covid for the second time.'') If preparation for the event is not already in progress, speculation about it must be well documented.
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-[[User:JustinTime55|JustinTime55]] ([[User talk:JustinTime55|talk]]) 13:11, 22 July 2022 (UTC)