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==2010 single==
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Hello {{U|Muhandes}}: The BPI link provided with the silver certification shows "Jimi Hendrix Experience", "Sony Music", and a release date of "15.01.10". Sony/Legacy released two Hendrix (including Experience and other backing musicians) albums in 2010, ''[[:Valleys of Neptune]]'' and ''[[West Coast Seattle Boy]]'', but neither includes "Little Wing". I went through several sources, including the official [https://www.jimihendrix.com/music/ Jimihendrix.com] website that usually announces all of his releases, but couldn't find a {{circa}}2010 single release for "Little Wing".
{{sir}}
I added the lyrics, hope no one minds.

:I guess it's acceptable, but I am not sure, though. I did not read carefully the docs about the rights of the author and the possibility to publish lyrics. I remember some sites did not post lyrics because of legal issues, but this is a very old. Some moderator should come and sput a definitive word about it, so that we can evetually add more lyrics.

: p.s. post with the four tildes at the end please

: [[User:Pain|Federico Pistono]] 11:46, 2005 September 4 (UTC)

:This comes up every once in a while; the consensus says that it's a breach of copyright law. I've added an external link to them, which is our standard procedure. Thanks for the effort, though. [[User:Deltabeignet|Deltabeignet]] 03:49, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

== Origins ==

I was wondering if their should be a section of the thought process leading up to the song, and why it is named Little Wing. However, I've heard two accounts on the matter - one that it was named after a flightless bird which became extinct in America (the translation from Apache of the bird being Little Wing), and the second that Jimi wrote the song about the atmosphere at the 1967 Monterey Pop Festival. I don't have any solid evidence to back either of these stories up, but was thinking that maybe someone else would have. The second account is from [http://http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=2485& here].

I've found a third, mentioned in the Wikipedia article about [[Electric Ladyland]], that Little Wing was the name of Hendrix's 'Guardian Angel'.

:I'd heard that "little wing" was an allusion to Jimi's native american ancestry


:from what i read in the book Room Full Of Mirros, A Biography Of Jimi Hendrix, the song is actually about his mother. While he did say to reporters that the song was about Monterery, he once confessed to his brother Leon, that, like the song "Angel", the tune is really about his mother coming down from heaven and giving him sprirtual support. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Reekie|Reekie]] ([[User talk:Reekie|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Reekie|contribs]]) 21:30, 12 May 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

== POV ==

The last two sentences of the second paragraph are very POV. "The Curtis Mayfield-influenced chord riffing is breath-taking throughout the introduction and the tone of his guitar is clean and pure; a perfect balance between aggression and sympathy. This is Hendrix at his very best." If the "breath-taking," "Perfect balance...," and "Hendrix at his very best," are all subjective and not appropriate for an encyclopedia article, and if the person who submite the second paragraph could provide corroboration for any influence by Curtis Mayfield, that would be great, because otherwise I have to believe that's also subjective.

The Curtis Mayfield influence should not be too hard to corroborate. I do not have references to speficic issues, but I remember reading the Hendrix was influenced by Mayfield in numerous articles in "Guitar Player Magazine" in the 80's and 90's. Mayfield's signature on guitar was his use of "double stops" (two notes played at the same time), that were embellished using slides and hammer-ons. The guitar intro to "Little Wing" is heavily peppered with this type of playing (it is probably one of the most notable examples in the canon of electric guitar recordings). Mayfield himself can probably not be called the inventor of this style, there are plenty of examples of people using it before him (such as Chuck Berry during his guitar intros, like "Johnny B Goode"). It would probably be a good idea to reference a song of Mayfield's using this technique, but I do not have a title readily at hand.[[User:193.214.228.3|193.214.228.3]] 02:47, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

== Tonal Center? ==

From the article:


In 1972, Polydor UK included a live version from 1969 as the B-side to "Johnny B. Goode", but only the latter appeared on the chart (there is no OCC listing for "Little Wing" in any year).[https://www.officialcharts.com/artist/12774/jimi-hendrix/][https://www.officialcharts.com/artist/6331/jimi-hendrix-experience/] When ''[[Hendrix in the West]]'' was reissued in September 2011, a live version of "Little Wing" from 1968 was substituted for the one from 1969. However, there is no indication that it was released as a single from the album or from ''[[Winterland (The Jimi Hendrix Experience album)|Winterland]]'', which was also released in September 2011.
:Hendrix makes great use of the relative minor harmonic concept by utilizing a tonal center of G major, but introduces the tune with an E minor chord played with authority and a sense of immediacy. The awesome power in the first miliseconds are achieved by gripping the E minor at the 12th fret with the thumb wrapping around the neck to reach the bass note E found on the 6th string (Jimi had huge hands). A muted percussive blast preceeds the actual chord by a split second.


Without more information, it can't said which version of "Little Wing" was certified and may lead some readers to wrongly conclude it was the original one from ''[[Axis: Bold as Love]]'' or one of the later live versions.
To me, it doesn't sound like the tonal center is G major (actually G-flat, because the guitar seems to be tuned down by a half-step). That argument could be made, certainly, but it sounds more to me that the song is in a straightforward E minor, which is the chord that ends most of the phrases. And as for the second sentence (ignoring the POV of the first phrase), why would he have to wrap around to reach the bass note E on the 6th string? That would be an open string in standard tuning; that is, the left hand would not be involved in sounding that note. And as for the acrobatics involved, it sounds impossible even for someone with abnormally large hands. So unless someone can provide some support for either of those positions, I am moving the paragraph to the Talk page.
[[User:ArthurDenture|ArthurDenture]] 06:50, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
:The thumb IS used to fret the 6th string many times during the song, I have an official songbook which specifically notes this, and it isn't remotely difficult to do for even someone with medium size hands. I can't speak to the tonal center of the song though as my knowledge of music theory is hardly extensive. [[User:PipOC]]
::Yes, using the thumb on the 6th string is no big deal. Looking at it now, I think I the original poster may have been referring to an E played on the 12th fret of the 6th string during the initial chord rather than the low E on the open 6th string that is played immediately following that chord. So that part may be ok with some cleanup and NPOV, but I'm still skeptical about the tonal center bit. [[User:ArthurDenture|ArthurDenture]] 04:22, 9 January 2006 (UTC)


—[[User:Ojorojo|Ojorojo]] ([[User talk:Ojorojo|talk]]) 15:30, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
== Comping ==


:{{re|Ojorojo}} My guesstimate is that this date is when a digital version was made available. There is no way to know which version it was, and BPI may bundle versions together when it comes to streaming data. Anyway, what are you suggesting? I would not object to adding a footnote saying that the exact version certified is unclear. [[User:Muhandes|Muhandes]] ([[User talk:Muhandes|talk]]) 16:48, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
I'm confused how the style of playing this song is similar to comping. If anything it's opposite to it. The Thumb fretting the root is a way of maintaining a strict tonal center while allowing melodic passages to go on within the distinct harmonic structure of the song. Comping has little in common with this, as it's a means of improvising harmony, not distinguishing it. The Jazz technique I would most closely relate this to is chord melody. [[User:PipOC|PipOC]] 04:00, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
::{{Re|Muhandes}} Yes, that needs to clarified. Also, a separate section with a table with a single entry is advised against by [[:WP:OVERSECTION]] ("Very short sections and subsections clutter an article with headings and inhibit the flow of the prose. Short paragraphs and single sentences generally do not warrant their own subheading.") and [[MOS:TABLES]] ("should be used only when appropriate; sometimes the information in a table may be better presented as prose paragraphs or as an embedded": ''all'' of the examples have four or more entries).
:Since no one can offer a defense for relating it to comping I'm going to remove the following text from the third paragraph
::By using prose under "Releases", there is no need for a footnote:
:: "In jazz music similar style is called "[[comping]]".
::{{tq|"In 2022, the [[British Phonographic Industry]] awarded "Little Wing" its Silver certification, signifying sales of over 200,000.<ref>
[[User:PipOC|PipOC]] 01:27, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
{{Cite web
| url = https://www.bpi.co.uk/award/18350-2856-1
| author = <!--Staff writer(s); no by-line.-->
| title = Jimi Hendrix Experience: 'Little Wing' Sony Music{{snd}}Silver, Certified date: 09.09.22, Release date: 15.01.10
| website = [[British Phonographic Industry]]
| access-date = September 29, 2022
}}</ref> However, it is unknown whether this applies to the original recording or a subsequent live version.}}
::The certification for "Hey Joe" presents the same problem and should be changed accordingly.
::—[[User:Ojorojo|Ojorojo]] ([[User talk:Ojorojo|talk]]) 17:31, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
:::{{re|Ojorojo}} I have no objection. In fact, I rarely do, so feel free to just go [[WP:BOLD]] on me. [[User:Muhandes|Muhandes]] ([[User talk:Muhandes|talk]]) 17:35, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
{{talkref}}
::::{{Re|Muhandes}} Sounds good, I'll change both. —[[User:Ojorojo|Ojorojo]] ([[User talk:Ojorojo|talk]]) 17:40, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 08:58, 8 October 2024

2010 single

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Hello Muhandes: The BPI link provided with the silver certification shows "Jimi Hendrix Experience", "Sony Music", and a release date of "15.01.10". Sony/Legacy released two Hendrix (including Experience and other backing musicians) albums in 2010, Valleys of Neptune and West Coast Seattle Boy, but neither includes "Little Wing". I went through several sources, including the official Jimihendrix.com website that usually announces all of his releases, but couldn't find a c.2010 single release for "Little Wing".

In 1972, Polydor UK included a live version from 1969 as the B-side to "Johnny B. Goode", but only the latter appeared on the chart (there is no OCC listing for "Little Wing" in any year).[1][2] When Hendrix in the West was reissued in September 2011, a live version of "Little Wing" from 1968 was substituted for the one from 1969. However, there is no indication that it was released as a single from the album or from Winterland, which was also released in September 2011.

Without more information, it can't said which version of "Little Wing" was certified and may lead some readers to wrongly conclude it was the original one from Axis: Bold as Love or one of the later live versions.

—Ojorojo (talk) 15:30, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Ojorojo: My guesstimate is that this date is when a digital version was made available. There is no way to know which version it was, and BPI may bundle versions together when it comes to streaming data. Anyway, what are you suggesting? I would not object to adding a footnote saying that the exact version certified is unclear. Muhandes (talk) 16:48, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Muhandes: Yes, that needs to clarified. Also, a separate section with a table with a single entry is advised against by WP:OVERSECTION ("Very short sections and subsections clutter an article with headings and inhibit the flow of the prose. Short paragraphs and single sentences generally do not warrant their own subheading.") and MOS:TABLES ("should be used only when appropriate; sometimes the information in a table may be better presented as prose paragraphs or as an embedded": all of the examples have four or more entries).
By using prose under "Releases", there is no need for a footnote:
"In 2022, the British Phonographic Industry awarded "Little Wing" its Silver certification, signifying sales of over 200,000.[1] However, it is unknown whether this applies to the original recording or a subsequent live version.
The certification for "Hey Joe" presents the same problem and should be changed accordingly.
—Ojorojo (talk) 17:31, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Ojorojo: I have no objection. In fact, I rarely do, so feel free to just go WP:BOLD on me. Muhandes (talk) 17:35, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Jimi Hendrix Experience: 'Little Wing' Sony Music – Silver, Certified date: 09.09.22, Release date: 15.01.10". British Phonographic Industry. Retrieved September 29, 2022.
@Muhandes: Sounds good, I'll change both. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:40, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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