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== Local Network is a SuperSet of Local Area Network (LAN) == |
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Gentlemen: |
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I think that we would be better off to include external links. I see several that were deleted by an editor. Personally I don't see anything wrong with any of them. They are all relevant, useful, and in my opinion provide value to the readers as a source of further information on the subject. |
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In his book, "Local Networks, An Introduction" by Dr. [[William Stallings]], PhD. in Computer Science from M.I.T. in 1971, Copyright (c) 1984, Macmillan Publishing Co., Div. of Mamillan, Inc., on page 2, he defines what a "Local Network" is: "A local network is a communications network that provides interconnection of a variety of data communicating devices within a small area." It is a SuperSet of the "Local Area Network (LAN)"--the page that Wikipedia redirects one to when looking up "Local Network." I think you should get Dr. Stallings to write an article for your "Local Network" page and then redirect from it to all the different kinds of local networks he mentions. |
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[[User:Networkingguy|Networkingguy]] ([[User talk:Networkingguy|talk]]) 16:06, 26 February 2008 (UTC) |
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Sincerely yours, |
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Here are the list of links that was there. Thoughts? |
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JPD 03:06, 30 April 2012 (UTC) |
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Its created by Askar Ali <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/123.238.122.199|123.238.122.199]] ([[User talk:123.238.122.199|talk]]) 02:49, 13 April 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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*[http://www.ieee802.org/11/ IEEE: The working group setting LAN standards] |
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*[http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-lan.html Setting up a network using Linux] |
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*[http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/ld/pubs/wireless/chapter6.html Building a local area network] |
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*[http://www.ericdigests.org/1996-3/local.htm Local Area Networks for K-12 Schools] - From the ERIC Clearinghouse on Information and Technology. |
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*[http://networkbits.net/guide-to-redundancy/internal-network-redundancy/ How to setup redundancy correctly] |
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*[http://en.wikipractice.org/wiki/Category:LAN LAN design] |
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[[Category:Local area networks]] |
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:Stallings classifies ''local network'' into: local area network (LAN), high-speed local network (HSLN) and digital switch/computerized branch exchange (CBX). His 1984 taxonomy does not appear to have been adopted. ~[[User:Kvng|Kvng]] ([[User talk:Kvng|talk]]) 17:06, 3 April 2020 (UTC) |
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This is a very short article for a complex subject! — [[User:CatherineMunro|Catherine]]\<sup>[[User_talk:CatherineMunro|talk]]</sup> 03:26, 10 September 2005 (UTC) |
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: I think it's still a bit on the short side. I'll try and expand on it today or in the next few days [[User:Poweroid|Poweroid]] 15:04, 11 December 2006 (UTC) |
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I suggest include information about [[LAN adapter]]s like 10T100 |
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I've dropped a couple of bits that I didn't think belonged, and re-written others. I think its much better than it was - hope others agree - "snori" (222.153.89.245) |
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I don't think "I'll take you to the candyshop I'll let you lick the lollipop, don't hit girl don't you stop, keep going till you hit the spo ooooof" relates to LAN, so I'll take it out... |
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"S e x me to give me my satisfaction" also needs to go. But I don't know what to put there. |
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: I've now simply reverted back to the version previous to those edits.--[[User:Snori|Snori]] 01:53, 14 June 2006 (UTC) |
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"snori u have done an excellent job" |
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: glad you like it! --[[User:Snori|Snori]] 23:53, 14 July 2006 (UTC) |
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"Although switched Ethernet is now most common at the physical layer" this is incorrect; Ethernet and Ethernet switches are both second layer (data/link) items, and not "physical" (or first layer) items. see the [[OSI_Model]] or the [[Internet protocol suite]] articles for more information. --Anonymous |
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: Quite right. Changed. --[[User:Snori|Snori]] 16:57, 19 October 2006 (UTC) |
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== First LAN == |
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I've just removed someone's name that was put in by 82.69.23.212 (I assume that it was put in there for "Search Engine Optimization" purposes). Looking at that person's contribution and talk page, it looks like they are vandals and have been warned. Is there anyone who can ban them? [[User:Philomathoholic|Philomathoholic]] 08:22, 29 September 2007 (UTC) |
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A [[Special:Diff/1002146704|recent edit]] at [[Local area network#History]] added a claim regarding the "first implementation of a LAN ... in 1980" for an electronic voting system of the European Parliament. The reference for that is not sufficient for a claim of ''first''. See [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] and [[WP:REDFLAG]]. Many topics have conflicting claims of ''first''—the first telephone/radio/television/email etc. For an earlier example regarding this topic, see [[Special:Diff/174052236|November 2007]] which added "{{tq|The first LAN put into service occurred in 1964 at the Livermore Laboratory to support atomic weapons research.}}" A claim of ''first'' would need to be backed by a completely independent reliable source. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 01:10, 24 January 2021 (UTC) |
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== Claim to first LAN/on of first LANs for [[Electronic voting systems for the European Parliament]] == |
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==Deleting references== |
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There were several references here since the early days of the article (see http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Local_area_network&oldid=4077231, for example) and when it was just a few sentences long. The current version of the article doesn't have any of that original information but the references are still being quoted. It's high time we removed them as they are not references for this article anymore. [[User:Poweroid|Poweroid]] 15:02, 11 December 2006 (UTC) |
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The system described in the linked article sounds like a terminal system to me – where subordinate devices talk to a master - rather than a computer network that allows all nodes to talk to each other. We need to add a clarification to the source or remove the claim. --[[User:Zac67|Zac67]] ([[User talk:Zac67|talk]]) 21:00, 26 January 2021 (UTC) |
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== Lan design best practice == |
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:It looks like it was a [[multidrop bus]] with [[Master/slave (technology)]] arbitration. We could argue about whether that qualifies as a LAN or we can set that aside for now and have a look at {{u|Johnuniq}}'s issue with the statement above. ~[[User:Kvng|Kvng]] ([[User talk:Kvng|talk]]) 15:37, 29 January 2021 (UTC) |
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::Without an independent source the material is not suitable here. I wouldn't mind if it were mentioned without any claim of ''first'' or ''LAN'' (just that a system of voting terminals was used in 1979). I also wouldn't mind if it were removed. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 01:24, 30 January 2021 (UTC) |
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== Grammatical error == |
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I created some pages on LAN design best practice on [[http://en.wikipractice.org/wiki/Category:LAN wikipractice]]. They are coming from the experience I acquired as a telecommunication consultant and from diverse sources I collected. Could it be possible to add them as external link ? |
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[[User:Gcorbaz|Guy Corbaz]] 18:03, 24 May 2007 (UTC) |
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: Sorry but [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_directory|Wikipedia is not a mere directory of links]], nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. ([[User:Requestion|Requestion]] 19:26, 25 May 2007 (UTC)) |
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"Most wireless LANs use [[Wi-Fi]] as wireless adapters are typically integrated into [[Smartphone|smartphones]], [[Tablet computer|tablet computers]] and [[Laptop|laptops]]." The sentence formation doesn't seem good with this one. I suggest someone to correct it [[User:CrAzY1357924680|CrAzY1357924680]] ([[User talk:CrAzY1357924680|talk]]) 13:44, 11 June 2023 (UTC) |
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==History== |
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I've just chopped out an unreferenced bit regarding LL Labs having the first LAN back in the 60's. Dropped in 27Nov07 by user Sylvanwulf - his only contribution ever. Shouldn't have stayed as long as it did. [[User:Snori|Snori]] ([[User talk:Snori|talk]]) 09:36, 9 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:Don't see anything wrong there. --[[User:Zac67|Zac67]] ([[User talk:Zac67|talk]]) 15:14, 11 June 2023 (UTC) |
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==Protocols== |
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::The main problem I see with that sentence is that it seems to be implying that there's a cause-and-effect relationship, with the cause being that smartphones, tablets and laptops have integrated Wi-Fi and the effect being that most wireless LANs use Wi-Fi. Laptops originally ''didn't'' have integrated Wi-Fi (I remember AirPort adapters being an option with early Apple laptops, for example), so were most wireless LANs Wi-Fi based for other reasons, and did they become integrated into laptops - and designed into smartphones and tablets - because Wi-Fi LANs were common and because it became easier and cheaper to integrate Wi-Fi into laptops, smartphones. and tablets? [[User:Guy Harris|Guy Harris]] ([[User talk:Guy Harris|talk]]) 21:58, 11 June 2023 (UTC) |
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This new section seems unnecessary to me, and much of the the wording is very odd. |
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::: {{Re|Guy Harris}} That is something to consider. I'd say both: the primary demand for wireless solutions led to adapters being integrated in laptops and small routers, which in turn furthered wireless demand. When smartphones and tablets came up, the mutual effect increased. But we'd need a source for that. --[[User:Zac67|Zac67]] ([[User talk:Zac67|talk]]) 05:01, 12 June 2023 (UTC) |
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* What does "...It is designed to deal with connecting open systems to communicate with other systems..." refer to? |
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:::: {{tq|But we'd need a source for that.}} Yup, just as the original {{tq|Most wireless LANs use [[Wi-Fi]] as wireless adapters are typically integrated into...}} was uncited if it's taken as a cause-effect claim (and even "most wireless LANs use [[Wi-Fi]]" would need a source). [[User:Guy Harris|Guy Harris]] ([[User talk:Guy Harris|talk]]) 20:15, 12 June 2023 (UTC) |
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* "...and they are 5 to 10 times faster than standard LANs" - what is "they"? |
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add'l comments on LAN
[edit]Why haven't you included descriptions of LAN as it relates to video??? I would like to invite you to add this to your written article please. Otherwise, this has been a great read.)
Local Network is a SuperSet of Local Area Network (LAN)
[edit]Gentlemen:
In his book, "Local Networks, An Introduction" by Dr. William Stallings, PhD. in Computer Science from M.I.T. in 1971, Copyright (c) 1984, Macmillan Publishing Co., Div. of Mamillan, Inc., on page 2, he defines what a "Local Network" is: "A local network is a communications network that provides interconnection of a variety of data communicating devices within a small area." It is a SuperSet of the "Local Area Network (LAN)"--the page that Wikipedia redirects one to when looking up "Local Network." I think you should get Dr. Stallings to write an article for your "Local Network" page and then redirect from it to all the different kinds of local networks he mentions.
Sincerely yours,
JPD 03:06, 30 April 2012 (UTC) Its created by Askar Ali — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.238.122.199 (talk) 02:49, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
- Stallings classifies local network into: local area network (LAN), high-speed local network (HSLN) and digital switch/computerized branch exchange (CBX). His 1984 taxonomy does not appear to have been adopted. ~Kvng (talk) 17:06, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
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First LAN
[edit]A recent edit at Local area network#History added a claim regarding the "first implementation of a LAN ... in 1980" for an electronic voting system of the European Parliament. The reference for that is not sufficient for a claim of first. See reliable sources and WP:REDFLAG. Many topics have conflicting claims of first—the first telephone/radio/television/email etc. For an earlier example regarding this topic, see November 2007 which added "The first LAN put into service occurred in 1964 at the Livermore Laboratory to support atomic weapons research.
" A claim of first would need to be backed by a completely independent reliable source. Johnuniq (talk) 01:10, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
Claim to first LAN/on of first LANs for Electronic voting systems for the European Parliament
[edit]The system described in the linked article sounds like a terminal system to me – where subordinate devices talk to a master - rather than a computer network that allows all nodes to talk to each other. We need to add a clarification to the source or remove the claim. --Zac67 (talk) 21:00, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
- It looks like it was a multidrop bus with Master/slave (technology) arbitration. We could argue about whether that qualifies as a LAN or we can set that aside for now and have a look at Johnuniq's issue with the statement above. ~Kvng (talk) 15:37, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
- Without an independent source the material is not suitable here. I wouldn't mind if it were mentioned without any claim of first or LAN (just that a system of voting terminals was used in 1979). I also wouldn't mind if it were removed. Johnuniq (talk) 01:24, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
Grammatical error
[edit]"Most wireless LANs use Wi-Fi as wireless adapters are typically integrated into smartphones, tablet computers and laptops." The sentence formation doesn't seem good with this one. I suggest someone to correct it CrAzY1357924680 (talk) 13:44, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
- Don't see anything wrong there. --Zac67 (talk) 15:14, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
- The main problem I see with that sentence is that it seems to be implying that there's a cause-and-effect relationship, with the cause being that smartphones, tablets and laptops have integrated Wi-Fi and the effect being that most wireless LANs use Wi-Fi. Laptops originally didn't have integrated Wi-Fi (I remember AirPort adapters being an option with early Apple laptops, for example), so were most wireless LANs Wi-Fi based for other reasons, and did they become integrated into laptops - and designed into smartphones and tablets - because Wi-Fi LANs were common and because it became easier and cheaper to integrate Wi-Fi into laptops, smartphones. and tablets? Guy Harris (talk) 21:58, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Guy Harris: That is something to consider. I'd say both: the primary demand for wireless solutions led to adapters being integrated in laptops and small routers, which in turn furthered wireless demand. When smartphones and tablets came up, the mutual effect increased. But we'd need a source for that. --Zac67 (talk) 05:01, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
But we'd need a source for that.
Yup, just as the originalMost wireless LANs use Wi-Fi as wireless adapters are typically integrated into...
was uncited if it's taken as a cause-effect claim (and even "most wireless LANs use Wi-Fi" would need a source). Guy Harris (talk) 20:15, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Guy Harris: That is something to consider. I'd say both: the primary demand for wireless solutions led to adapters being integrated in laptops and small routers, which in turn furthered wireless demand. When smartphones and tablets came up, the mutual effect increased. But we'd need a source for that. --Zac67 (talk) 05:01, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
- The main problem I see with that sentence is that it seems to be implying that there's a cause-and-effect relationship, with the cause being that smartphones, tablets and laptops have integrated Wi-Fi and the effect being that most wireless LANs use Wi-Fi. Laptops originally didn't have integrated Wi-Fi (I remember AirPort adapters being an option with early Apple laptops, for example), so were most wireless LANs Wi-Fi based for other reasons, and did they become integrated into laptops - and designed into smartphones and tablets - because Wi-Fi LANs were common and because it became easier and cheaper to integrate Wi-Fi into laptops, smartphones. and tablets? Guy Harris (talk) 21:58, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
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