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==February 2008== |
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I think that we would be better off to include external links. I see several that were deleted by an editor. Personally I don't see anything wrong with any of the. They are all relevant, useful, and in my opinion provide value to the readers as a source of further information on the subject. |
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[[User:Networkingguy|Networkingguy]] ([[User talk:Networkingguy|talk]]) 16:06, 26 February 2008 (UTC) |
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Here are the list of links that was there. Thoughts? |
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===External links=== |
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{{commons|Local area network|Local area network}} |
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*[http://www.ieee802.org/11/ IEEE: The working group setting LAN standards] |
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*[http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-lan.html Setting up a network using Linux] |
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*[http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/ld/pubs/wireless/chapter6.html Building a local area network] |
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*[http://www.ericdigests.org/1996-3/local.htm Local Area Networks for K-12 Schools] - From the ERIC Clearinghouse on Information and Technology. |
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*[http://networkbits.net/guide-to-redundancy/internal-network-redundancy/ How to setup redundancy correctly] |
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*[http://en.wikipractice.org/wiki/Category:LAN LAN design] |
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This is a very short article for a complex subject! — [[User:CatherineMunro|Catherine]]\<sup>[[User_talk:CatherineMunro|talk]]</sup> 03:26, 10 September 2005 (UTC) |
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: I think it's still a bit on the short side. I'll try and expand on it today or in the next few days [[User:Poweroid|Poweroid]] 15:04, 11 December 2006 (UTC) |
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I suggest include information about [[LAN adapter]]s like 10T100 |
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I've dropped a couple of bits that I didn't think belonged, and re-written others. I think its much better than it was - hope others agree - "snori" (222.153.89.245) |
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I don't think "I'll take you to the candyshop I'll let you lick the lollipop, don't hit girl don't you stop, keep going till you hit the spo ooooof" relates to LAN, so I'll take it out... |
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"S e x me to give me my satisfaction" also needs to go. But I don't know what to put there. |
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: I've now simply reverted back to the version previous to those edits.--[[User:Snori|Snori]] 01:53, 14 June 2006 (UTC) |
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"snori u have done an excellent job" |
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: glad you like it! --[[User:Snori|Snori]] 23:53, 14 July 2006 (UTC) |
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"Although switched Ethernet is now most common at the physical layer" this is incorrect; Ethernet and Ethernet switches are both second layer (data/link) items, and not "physical" (or first layer) items. see the [[OSI_Model]] or the [[Internet protocol suite]] articles for more information. --Anonymous |
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: Quite right. Changed. --[[User:Snori|Snori]] 16:57, 19 October 2006 (UTC) |
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I've just removed someone's name that was put in by 82.69.23.212 (I assume that it was put in there for "Search Engine Optimization" purposes). Looking at that person's contribution and talk page, it looks like they are vandals and have been warned. Is there anyone who can ban them? [[User:Philomathoholic|Philomathoholic]] 08:22, 29 September 2007 (UTC) |
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==Deleting references== |
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There were several references here since the early days of the article (see http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Local_area_network&oldid=4077231, for example) and when it was just a few sentences long. The current version of the article doesn't have any of that original information but the references are still being quoted. It's high time we removed them as they are not references for this article anymore. [[User:Poweroid|Poweroid]] 15:02, 11 December 2006 (UTC) |
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== Lan design best practice == |
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I created some pages on LAN design best practice on [[http://en.wikipractice.org/wiki/Category:LAN wikipractice]]. They are coming from the experience I acquired as a telecommunication consultant and from diverse sources I collected. Could it be possible to add them as external link ? |
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[[User:Gcorbaz|Guy Corbaz]] 18:03, 24 May 2007 (UTC) |
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: Sorry but [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_directory|Wikipedia is not a mere directory of links]], nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. ([[User:Requestion|Requestion]] 19:26, 25 May 2007 (UTC)) |
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== add'l comments on LAN == |
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I would like to invite you to add this to your written article please. Otherwise, this has been a great read.) |
I would like to invite you to add this to your written article please. Otherwise, this has been a great read.) |
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== Local Network is a SuperSet of Local Area Network (LAN) == |
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==History== |
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I've just chopped out an unreferenced bit regarding LL Labs having the first LAN back in the 60's. Dropped in 27Nov07 by user Sylvanwulf - his only contribution ever. Shouldn't have stayed as long as it did. [[User:Snori|Snori]] ([[User talk:Snori|talk]]) 09:36, 9 August 2008 (UTC) |
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Gentlemen: |
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==Protocols== |
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This new section seems unnecessary to me, and much of the the wording is very odd. |
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* What does "...It is designed to deal with connecting open systems to communicate with other systems..." refer to? |
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* "...and they are 5 to 10 times faster than standard LANs" - what is "they"? |
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[[User:Snori|Snori]] ([[User talk:Snori|talk]]) 23:05, 1 March 2009 (UTC) |
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In his book, "Local Networks, An Introduction" by Dr. [[William Stallings]], PhD. in Computer Science from M.I.T. in 1971, Copyright (c) 1984, Macmillan Publishing Co., Div. of Mamillan, Inc., on page 2, he defines what a "Local Network" is: "A local network is a communications network that provides interconnection of a variety of data communicating devices within a small area." It is a SuperSet of the "Local Area Network (LAN)"--the page that Wikipedia redirects one to when looking up "Local Network." I think you should get Dr. Stallings to write an article for your "Local Network" page and then redirect from it to all the different kinds of local networks he mentions. |
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:In computing, a protocol is a convention or standard that controls or enables the connection, communication, and data transfer between computing endpoints. In its simplest form, a protocol can be defined as the rules governing the syntax, semantics, and synchronization of communication. Protocols may be implemented by hardware, software, or a combination of the two. At the lowest level, a protocol defines the behavior of a hardware connection. |
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Sincerely yours, |
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:Main article: [[Protocol (computing)]] |
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JPD 03:06, 30 April 2012 (UTC) |
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:[[User:Bingo-101a|Jeff]] ([[User talk:Bingo-101a|talk]]) 00:59, 2 March 2009 (UTC) |
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Its created by Askar Ali <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/123.238.122.199|123.238.122.199]] ([[User talk:123.238.122.199|talk]]) 02:49, 13 April 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Stallings classifies ''local network'' into: local area network (LAN), high-speed local network (HSLN) and digital switch/computerized branch exchange (CBX). His 1984 taxonomy does not appear to have been adopted. ~[[User:Kvng|Kvng]] ([[User talk:Kvng|talk]]) 17:06, 3 April 2020 (UTC) |
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:: I have removed this section. While it may be interesting to discuss protocols in connection with LAN technology, the section was just a random pile of inaccurate and incoherent verbage. I see this was removed before and reverted with claim of vandalism, which is clearly false. I advise strongly against further reversion. [[User:Kbrose|Kbrose]] ([[User talk:Kbrose|talk]]) 14:57, 2 March 2009 (UTC) |
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== External links modified == |
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::: That’s fine with me. I don’t care about this anymore. Thank you for removing Protocols. |
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::: [[User:Bingo-101a|JEFF]] ([[User talk:Bingo-101a|talk]]) 18:32, 2 March 2009 (UTC) |
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Hello fellow Wikipedians, |
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== LAN == |
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typically a LAN is a single broadcast segment. surely this is notable. [[Special:Contributions/78.105.98.199|78.105.98.199]] ([[User talk:78.105.98.199|talk]]) 20:32, 7 May 2009 (UTC) |
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:Link no longer used ~[[User:Kvng|Kvng]] ([[User talk:Kvng|talk]]) 17:06, 3 April 2020 (UTC) |
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== First LAN == |
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Fun little nugget: |
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:35. Cashien 1982; Saal 1995. Saal (1995) commented on Apple's disinterest in networks: "Some people at Apple were interested in [http://www.shustek.com/nestar/photos.htm Nestar] to get Apple into the business world. Other individuals, the prime example [of whom] was Steve Jobs, did not want to go into that direction and viewed this as the wrong thing. They [the microcomputers] were called personal computers because they were personal. And he viewed anything which tied machines together [as something that] was going to lead to some kind of uniformity, some kind of of central control, some kind of mainframe-like, IBM-dominated universe." |
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A [[Special:Diff/1002146704|recent edit]] at [[Local area network#History]] added a claim regarding the "first implementation of a LAN ... in 1980" for an electronic voting system of the European Parliament. The reference for that is not sufficient for a claim of ''first''. See [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] and [[WP:REDFLAG]]. Many topics have conflicting claims of ''first''—the first telephone/radio/television/email etc. For an earlier example regarding this topic, see [[Special:Diff/174052236|November 2007]] which added "{{tq|The first LAN put into service occurred in 1964 at the Livermore Laboratory to support atomic weapons research.}}" A claim of ''first'' would need to be backed by a completely independent reliable source. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 01:10, 24 January 2021 (UTC) |
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== Contribution == |
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== Claim to first LAN/on of first LANs for [[Electronic voting systems for the European Parliament]] == |
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Raw contribution from {{user|72.190.56.47}} moved here. --[[User:Kvng|Kvng]] ([[User talk:Kvng|talk]]) 18:12, 10 November 2010 (UTC) |
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The system described in the linked article sounds like a terminal system to me – where subordinate devices talk to a master - rather than a computer network that allows all nodes to talk to each other. We need to add a clarification to the source or remove the claim. --[[User:Zac67|Zac67]] ([[User talk:Zac67|talk]]) 21:00, 26 January 2021 (UTC) |
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(Actually, the first commercial installation was at Chase Manhattan, at One New York Plaza, and took place in mid-September 1977... and interestingly, that installation took place under the pre-annoucement name of "INTERNET"... although the name was changed to "The ARC System" for the public announcement on Dec 1, 1977). |
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:It looks like it was a [[multidrop bus]] with [[Master/slave (technology)]] arbitration. We could argue about whether that qualifies as a LAN or we can set that aside for now and have a look at {{u|Johnuniq}}'s issue with the statement above. ~[[User:Kvng|Kvng]] ([[User talk:Kvng|talk]]) 15:37, 29 January 2021 (UTC) |
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::Without an independent source the material is not suitable here. I wouldn't mind if it were mentioned without any claim of ''first'' or ''LAN'' (just that a system of voting terminals was used in 1979). I also wouldn't mind if it were removed. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 01:24, 30 January 2021 (UTC) |
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== Local Network is a SuperSet of Local Area Network (LAN) == |
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Gentlemen: |
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In his book, "Local Networks, An Introduction" by Dr. William Stallings, PhD. in Computer Science from M.I.T. in 1971, Copyright (c) 1984, Macmillan Publishing Co., Div. of Mamillan, Inc., on page 2, he defines what a "Local Network" is: "A local network is a communications network that provides interconnection of a variety of data communicating devices within a small area." It is a SuperSet of the "Local Area Network (LAN)"--the page that Wikipedia redirects one to when looking up "Local Network." I think you should get Dr. Stallings to write an article for your "Local Network" page and then redirect from it to all the different kinds of local networks he mentions. |
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Sincerely yours, |
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JPD 03:06, 30 April 2012 (UTC) |
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== Grammatical error == |
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"Most wireless LANs use [[Wi-Fi]] as wireless adapters are typically integrated into [[Smartphone|smartphones]], [[Tablet computer|tablet computers]] and [[Laptop|laptops]]." The sentence formation doesn't seem good with this one. I suggest someone to correct it [[User:CrAzY1357924680|CrAzY1357924680]] ([[User talk:CrAzY1357924680|talk]]) 13:44, 11 June 2023 (UTC) |
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I am not about to change anything but your picture with the caption "How a local network using ethernet might be connected." is preposterous. Ethernet is a point to point wiring system and the picture depicts something very different. I suggest it be fixed. |
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[[User:Arydberg|Arydberg]] ([[User talk:Arydberg|talk]]) 11:45, 29 May 2012 (UTC) |
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:Don't see anything wrong there. --[[User:Zac67|Zac67]] ([[User talk:Zac67|talk]]) 15:14, 11 June 2023 (UTC) |
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::The main problem I see with that sentence is that it seems to be implying that there's a cause-and-effect relationship, with the cause being that smartphones, tablets and laptops have integrated Wi-Fi and the effect being that most wireless LANs use Wi-Fi. Laptops originally ''didn't'' have integrated Wi-Fi (I remember AirPort adapters being an option with early Apple laptops, for example), so were most wireless LANs Wi-Fi based for other reasons, and did they become integrated into laptops - and designed into smartphones and tablets - because Wi-Fi LANs were common and because it became easier and cheaper to integrate Wi-Fi into laptops, smartphones. and tablets? [[User:Guy Harris|Guy Harris]] ([[User talk:Guy Harris|talk]]) 21:58, 11 June 2023 (UTC) |
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::: {{Re|Guy Harris}} That is something to consider. I'd say both: the primary demand for wireless solutions led to adapters being integrated in laptops and small routers, which in turn furthered wireless demand. When smartphones and tablets came up, the mutual effect increased. But we'd need a source for that. --[[User:Zac67|Zac67]] ([[User talk:Zac67|talk]]) 05:01, 12 June 2023 (UTC) |
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:::: {{tq|But we'd need a source for that.}} Yup, just as the original {{tq|Most wireless LANs use [[Wi-Fi]] as wireless adapters are typically integrated into...}} was uncited if it's taken as a cause-effect claim (and even "most wireless LANs use [[Wi-Fi]]" would need a source). [[User:Guy Harris|Guy Harris]] ([[User talk:Guy Harris|talk]]) 20:15, 12 June 2023 (UTC) |
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add'l comments on LAN
[edit]Why haven't you included descriptions of LAN as it relates to video??? I would like to invite you to add this to your written article please. Otherwise, this has been a great read.)
Local Network is a SuperSet of Local Area Network (LAN)
[edit]Gentlemen:
In his book, "Local Networks, An Introduction" by Dr. William Stallings, PhD. in Computer Science from M.I.T. in 1971, Copyright (c) 1984, Macmillan Publishing Co., Div. of Mamillan, Inc., on page 2, he defines what a "Local Network" is: "A local network is a communications network that provides interconnection of a variety of data communicating devices within a small area." It is a SuperSet of the "Local Area Network (LAN)"--the page that Wikipedia redirects one to when looking up "Local Network." I think you should get Dr. Stallings to write an article for your "Local Network" page and then redirect from it to all the different kinds of local networks he mentions.
Sincerely yours,
JPD 03:06, 30 April 2012 (UTC) Its created by Askar Ali — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.238.122.199 (talk) 02:49, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
- Stallings classifies local network into: local area network (LAN), high-speed local network (HSLN) and digital switch/computerized branch exchange (CBX). His 1984 taxonomy does not appear to have been adopted. ~Kvng (talk) 17:06, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
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First LAN
[edit]A recent edit at Local area network#History added a claim regarding the "first implementation of a LAN ... in 1980" for an electronic voting system of the European Parliament. The reference for that is not sufficient for a claim of first. See reliable sources and WP:REDFLAG. Many topics have conflicting claims of first—the first telephone/radio/television/email etc. For an earlier example regarding this topic, see November 2007 which added "The first LAN put into service occurred in 1964 at the Livermore Laboratory to support atomic weapons research.
" A claim of first would need to be backed by a completely independent reliable source. Johnuniq (talk) 01:10, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
Claim to first LAN/on of first LANs for Electronic voting systems for the European Parliament
[edit]The system described in the linked article sounds like a terminal system to me – where subordinate devices talk to a master - rather than a computer network that allows all nodes to talk to each other. We need to add a clarification to the source or remove the claim. --Zac67 (talk) 21:00, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
- It looks like it was a multidrop bus with Master/slave (technology) arbitration. We could argue about whether that qualifies as a LAN or we can set that aside for now and have a look at Johnuniq's issue with the statement above. ~Kvng (talk) 15:37, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
- Without an independent source the material is not suitable here. I wouldn't mind if it were mentioned without any claim of first or LAN (just that a system of voting terminals was used in 1979). I also wouldn't mind if it were removed. Johnuniq (talk) 01:24, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
Grammatical error
[edit]"Most wireless LANs use Wi-Fi as wireless adapters are typically integrated into smartphones, tablet computers and laptops." The sentence formation doesn't seem good with this one. I suggest someone to correct it CrAzY1357924680 (talk) 13:44, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
- Don't see anything wrong there. --Zac67 (talk) 15:14, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
- The main problem I see with that sentence is that it seems to be implying that there's a cause-and-effect relationship, with the cause being that smartphones, tablets and laptops have integrated Wi-Fi and the effect being that most wireless LANs use Wi-Fi. Laptops originally didn't have integrated Wi-Fi (I remember AirPort adapters being an option with early Apple laptops, for example), so were most wireless LANs Wi-Fi based for other reasons, and did they become integrated into laptops - and designed into smartphones and tablets - because Wi-Fi LANs were common and because it became easier and cheaper to integrate Wi-Fi into laptops, smartphones. and tablets? Guy Harris (talk) 21:58, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Guy Harris: That is something to consider. I'd say both: the primary demand for wireless solutions led to adapters being integrated in laptops and small routers, which in turn furthered wireless demand. When smartphones and tablets came up, the mutual effect increased. But we'd need a source for that. --Zac67 (talk) 05:01, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
But we'd need a source for that.
Yup, just as the originalMost wireless LANs use Wi-Fi as wireless adapters are typically integrated into...
was uncited if it's taken as a cause-effect claim (and even "most wireless LANs use Wi-Fi" would need a source). Guy Harris (talk) 20:15, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Guy Harris: That is something to consider. I'd say both: the primary demand for wireless solutions led to adapters being integrated in laptops and small routers, which in turn furthered wireless demand. When smartphones and tablets came up, the mutual effect increased. But we'd need a source for that. --Zac67 (talk) 05:01, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
- The main problem I see with that sentence is that it seems to be implying that there's a cause-and-effect relationship, with the cause being that smartphones, tablets and laptops have integrated Wi-Fi and the effect being that most wireless LANs use Wi-Fi. Laptops originally didn't have integrated Wi-Fi (I remember AirPort adapters being an option with early Apple laptops, for example), so were most wireless LANs Wi-Fi based for other reasons, and did they become integrated into laptops - and designed into smartphones and tablets - because Wi-Fi LANs were common and because it became easier and cheaper to integrate Wi-Fi into laptops, smartphones. and tablets? Guy Harris (talk) 21:58, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
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