Talk:The Little Sister

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BetacommandBot (talk) 17:31, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Plot

Before my edit the plot section was incomplete. It essentially described the opening of the novel and then had just a few sentences that abstracted the rest of the plot. I've fleshed it out a lot (perhaps a bit too much not sure). I've also provided references for an anecdote about Billy Wilder and moved that anecdote from the plot section to a background section which I also added. One thing to do is I don't currently have a copy of the book at hand. I'm going from memory but I've read the book several times and just re-read it a short time ago. The only thing is I can't remember the names of the doctor or the gangster so I've left them out for now but will add them as soon as I can get a copy of the book. Mdebellis (talk) 17:12, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

change Ms. to Miss?

I've made many changes to the page today. I'm done editing for the night but as I review I think I may have been too PC using "Ms" as opposed to "Miss". I think it might be more appropriate to use the language of the novel and the times. Mdebellis (talk) 02:32, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Did you really get the plot right?

First, you have left out what in my view is the highlight of the story -- that Orfamay told Steelgrave where he could find her brother and received US-$ 1,000 in return. But perhaps you did this in order to leave something new for readers to discover?

But I also think you messed up the end concerning Dolores Gonzales. The point of the story here is that it was her, not Steelgrave, who killed Quest (she overheard Orfamay when she told Steelgrave). (Obviously it was also her who killed Stein, a character omitted from your rendering of the plot, which is ok as it would have made the story overly complicated.) Ok, it comes a little bit as a surprise when she states that she did so because HE was the man she had loved but lost to another women, but there is no other way the story can be read. 80.137.122.150 (talk) 17:09, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

The man counting money was not the supervisor, he ran off after his encounter with Marlowe (presumably to fetch help), the supervisor was passed out drunk on a mattress and tries to call Dr Lagardie when Marlowe wakes him. Marlowe leaves him passed out and when he comes back downstairs finds him in the same position but dead with an ice pick in his neck.
Orfamay follows Marlowe to Dr Lagardie's and finds her brother after Marlowe leaves, reporting him to the police before Marlowe can. Marlowe is then questioned by both the Bay City detective looking into the supervisor's death and the more reasonable LA detectives looking into the hotel death. He comes more or less clean and is allowed to leave the next morning but encouraged to use the next few days to straighten things out - i.e. solve the case for the police.
He is then taken by Dolores to see Steelgrave, she confesses that she is leading him into a trap and Steelgrave means to kill Marlowe though it appears Mavis Weld killed Steelgrave first. Marlowe urges Mavis to leave and speak to her agent while he adjusts the scene to make it appear more ambiguous correctly figuring that the police will be less interested in finding the killer of a known gangster they themselves were unable to put in prison.
Subsequently, Marlowe meets with Orfamay and deduces that she received the money she claims is from her sister, instead from Steelgrave for selling out her brother. After his final talk with Dolores, it appears that Steelgrave was not really interested in Orrin, but as Dolores had been scheming with him, she came to silence him, and to stop his ice pick murders as he was getting out of control and it can be inferred, to throw suspicion on Mavis, by her using the matching .32 gun to the one Mavis owned, and carelessly leaving the shells lying around (which Marlowe had earlier pocketed on waking to find Orrin dying).
The plot summary is far too long and detailed, but it now has most of the important points in the right order, I leave it to someone else to cut it down to size. 89.241.78.106 (talk) 23:52, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

The Big Lebowski

The starting point of The Big Lebowski is obviously this novel. Of course, it quickly veers off in other directions, But how you can write an entry on this novel, and not mention The Big Lebowski is beyond my comprehension. WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 16:49, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

First of all this article is not about the Big Lebowski it's about Chandler's novel The Little Sister. It wouldn't be appropriate to talk about Big Lebowski say in the beginning of the article or in the main body. If Big Lebowski were an adaptation of Little Sister it would be appropriate to mention it in the Adaptations section but that clearly isn't the case. It would also be appropriate to add a section like "Pop Culture References" or "Appearance in Other Work" and talk about it there. But while it's been a while since I saw Big Lebowski it's not clear to me what you are referring to. The Little Sister doesn't start with two thugs coming in and beating up Marlowe and pissing on his rug. There is no (fake) kidnap plot in Little Sister as in Big Lebowski. Lebowski is clearly inspired by Chandler's work with Lebowski as Marlowe but of all Chandler's books I think Little Sister has the fewest references in the film, except for crooked Bay City cops but they show up in several of Chandler's books. If you have a reference that talks about the connection between Lebowski and Little Sister then it could be added. Or if you have a very clear argument. Although others might disagree on that but IMO some things are so obvious they can be added without references. It's a blurry line but the ties always go to "you need a reference" but you haven't even given an argument exactly how you think the starting point of Lebowski is this novel. --MadScientistX11 (talk) 17:22, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Song lyrics - Mugshot by v.Spy v.Spy

Suggesting a Pop Culture Reference entry: A spoken passage in the song Mugshot by Australian band v.Spy v.Spy quotes The Little Sister: "After a moment a man on a corner slowly raised his arm with a cigarette at the end of it. He drew the cigarette to his mouth with the infinite languor of a decadent aristocrat, moldering in a ruined château." The band also released a song called Marlowe, as a more direct tribute. The verbatim text from the relevant page of Little Sister is: "After a moment the man on the couch slowly raised the arm with the cigarette at the end of it. He got the cigarette wearily into his mouth and drew on it with the infinite languor of a decadent aristocrat moldering in a ruined chateau." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.64.1.2 (talk) 02:59, 22 July 2023 (UTC)