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== The Wii U should be classed as a 7th gen console. == |
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== Links to the seventh and ninth generation articles == |
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So I was kind of "binge" reading the articles about video game generation. I looked for the link to go to the ninth gen in the "see also" section, but it wasn't there. Neither was the link to the seventh-gen. I added the links. Are they supposed to be there, though? Was there a reason? [[User:CadeKimbrough08|CadeKimbrough08]] ([[User talk:CadeKimbrough08|talk]]) 16:57, 5 March 2021 (UTC) <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:CadeKimbrough08|CadeKimbrough08]] ([[User talk:CadeKimbrough08#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CadeKimbrough08|contribs]]) 16:54, 5 March 2021 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:My bad. [[User:CadeKimbrough08|CadeKimbrough08]] ([[User talk:CadeKimbrough08|talk]]) 19:17, 5 March 2021 (UTC) |
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The Wii U released one year prior to the PS4 and Xbox One, but was evidently made to compete with Sony and Microsoft's prior HD consoles. Not only is there little in the way of meaningful processor, resolution and memory upgrades, the Wii U still retained characteristics not present in any 8th generation console, such as legacy support for 4:3 standard definition television displays. If you track the hardware and software support from Nintendo and third parties, you can observe that there's far more overlap with Xbox 360/PS3's defining titles, and almost no overlap from PS4 and Xbox One (e.g: Black Ops 2, Splinter Cell, Batman Arkham Origins, Need for Speed Most Wanted, Mass Effect 3, Assassin's Creed III and IV). Major franchises (e.g: Minecraft, Terraria, LEGO) stopped releasing new titles or software updates simultaneously on all three HD consoles, and the hardware was discontinued entirely in 2017 - aligning closely with the discontinuation of the Xbox 360/PS3 hardware in 2016. [[User:Memoryman3|Memoryman3]] ([[User talk:Memoryman3|talk]]) 23:00, 12 May 2024 (UTC) |
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==Same Generation?== |
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⚫ | :We go by how sources define the market and competition of the consoles, not the tech specs directly. Wii U was commonly talked alongside the PS4 and Xbox One, so its an eighth gen console. [[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 23:05, 12 May 2024 (UTC) |
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What genius put, and keeps it there, The Switch in the same generation as the system it replaced? The Switch is not 8th but in the 9th generation. No donations this month until t his is corrected. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.117.182.52|68.117.182.52]] ([[User talk:68.117.182.52#top|talk]]) 18:06, 19 April 2021 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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::Could you cite any reliable sources that define the Wii U as competing with the PS4 and Xbox One? Many publishers and developers didn't seem to think so as evidenced by the system's lifecycle and support. [https://www.theverge.com/2013/1/31/3939092/john-riccitiello-on-wii-u-ps4-xbox-steam-box-game-violence EA even refused to categorise Wii U as a "Gen 4" console.] [[User:Memoryman3|Memoryman3]] ([[User talk:Memoryman3|talk]]) 00:49, 14 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:Console generations are defined not by technical improvements but by which systems they were considered to compete against. The Switch, given current reliable sources, has competed primarily against the Xbox One and PS4, so makes it a 8th generation system. It may ''also'' be a 9th generation competing against the PS5 and Xbox Series X/S, but we don't have enough data for that yet. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 18:10, 19 April 2021 (UTC) |
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:::There's multiple in the article already, not to mention, simple Google searches [https://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/the-8-generations-of-video-game-consoles/zvcjkty find more pretty easily too]. [[User:Sergecross73|<span style="color:green">Sergecross73</span>]] [[User talk:Sergecross73|<span style="color:teal">msg me</span>]] 01:16, 14 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:No, reliable sources don't commonly state this. [[User:Sergecross73|<span style="color:green">Sergecross73</span>]] [[User talk:Sergecross73|<span style="color:teal">msg me</span>]] 23:15, 12 May 2024 (UTC) |
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::[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkN9p0E91MY The Genesis competed with the NES]. Just as well, the Dreamcast briefly competed with the PS1. If you analyze the Switch by the same standards, it's easy to see it as the first 9th gen system. --[[Special:Contributions/186.242.243.153|186.242.243.153]] ([[User talk:186.242.243.153|talk]]) 02:57, 26 January 2022 (UTC) |
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::Then the Wii should stay in 6th or 7th gen, it's literally an overclocked GameCube. [[User:VitAlv13|VitAlv13]] ([[User talk:VitAlv13|talk]]) 12:53, 10 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Statista lists the Switch with the PS5 and Xbox Series X/S <ref>https://www.statista.com/chart/26122/estimated-lifetime-sales-of-current-gen-consoles-by-market/</ref>. Perhaps it's time the system is migrated to the 9th generation.[[Special:Contributions/142.161.249.114|142.161.249.114]] ([[User talk:142.161.249.114|talk]]) 17:33, 14 April 2022 (UTC) |
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:::We go by what reliable sources say, per [[WP:V]], not personal observations on horsepower of the hardware. [[User:Sergecross73|<span style="color:green">Sergecross73</span>]] [[User talk:Sergecross73|<span style="color:teal">msg me</span>]] 12:55, 10 October 2024 (UTC) |
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::::Statista is an unreliable source on Wikipedia. -- [[User:Ferret|ferret]] ([[User_talk:Ferret|talk]]) 17:56, 14 April 2022 (UTC) |
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::::Then the Game & Watch Super Mario Bros. (2020) would be the successor to the Switch, because it released later? [[User:VitAlv13|VitAlv13]] ([[User talk:VitAlv13|talk]]) 13:41, 10 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::That's not how that works, particularly with a product line as complex as Nintendo's.<span id="Masem:1728567883305:TalkFTTCLNEighth_generation_of_video_game_consoles" class="FTTCmt"> — [[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:44, 10 October 2024 (UTC)</span> |
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:::::I don't understand how you could have come to that conclusion from what I said. [[User:Sergecross73|<span style="color:green">Sergecross73</span>]] [[User talk:Sergecross73|<span style="color:teal">msg me</span>]] 13:57, 10 October 2024 (UTC) |
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== The separation of Original and Slim == |
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The Eighth generation of video game consoles is the first page to distinctly separate ps4 slim and Xbox one s from there original models. Every other page lists them together or under each-other. |
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The pro models make sense to separate, the slim models should be merged in and added to details to the original model. [[User:Doremon764|Doremon764]] ([[User talk:Doremon764|talk]]) 03:18, 20 July 2024 (UTC) |
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== Oculus systems == |
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:The slim models were only a casing redesign but did not significantly change the CPU or GPU. the Pro models did improve these systems and others. That's why they are treated differently [[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 03:50, 20 July 2024 (UTC) |
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Shouldn't the Oculus systems (Quest 1 and 2, Go) be included, since they're technically handheld consoles with their own libraries and exclusive games? [[User:Endianer|Endianer]] ([[User talk:Endianer|talk]]) 18:32, 8 December 2022 (UTC) |
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::Seconded, Masem is correct. [[User:Sergecross73|<span style="color:green">Sergecross73</span>]] [[User talk:Sergecross73|<span style="color:teal">msg me</span>]] 13:18, 20 July 2024 (UTC) |
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:::I meant on other lists slim models are not displayed separately from the original model. |
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:::* [[Seventh generation of video game consoles]] (with Wii, Xbox 360, and PS3) |
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:::* [[Sixth generation of video game consoles]] (with PS2) |
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:::* Even with [[Third generation of video game consoles]], as well as [[Second generation of video game consoles]](with SG-1000, NES/Famicom, Master System/Mark III, Atari 7800, and for second generation Atari 2600 and Intellivision) |
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:::The chart on this page separate into columns Xbox one from its s model, the PS4 from its slim model, and Nintendo Switch oled model from the original column. [[User:Doremon764|Doremon764]] ([[User talk:Doremon764|talk]]) 22:05, 22 July 2024 (UTC) |
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::::When it comes to the handhelds on this page PSVita and 3DS are pact in the same box when it comes to how the chart is displayed. Just to bring up the inconsistency of the charts. [[User:Doremon764|Doremon764]] ([[User talk:Doremon764|talk]]) 22:09, 22 July 2024 (UTC) |
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The Wii U should be classed as a 7th gen console.
[edit]The Wii U released one year prior to the PS4 and Xbox One, but was evidently made to compete with Sony and Microsoft's prior HD consoles. Not only is there little in the way of meaningful processor, resolution and memory upgrades, the Wii U still retained characteristics not present in any 8th generation console, such as legacy support for 4:3 standard definition television displays. If you track the hardware and software support from Nintendo and third parties, you can observe that there's far more overlap with Xbox 360/PS3's defining titles, and almost no overlap from PS4 and Xbox One (e.g: Black Ops 2, Splinter Cell, Batman Arkham Origins, Need for Speed Most Wanted, Mass Effect 3, Assassin's Creed III and IV). Major franchises (e.g: Minecraft, Terraria, LEGO) stopped releasing new titles or software updates simultaneously on all three HD consoles, and the hardware was discontinued entirely in 2017 - aligning closely with the discontinuation of the Xbox 360/PS3 hardware in 2016. Memoryman3 (talk) 23:00, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- We go by how sources define the market and competition of the consoles, not the tech specs directly. Wii U was commonly talked alongside the PS4 and Xbox One, so its an eighth gen console. Masem (t) 23:05, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Could you cite any reliable sources that define the Wii U as competing with the PS4 and Xbox One? Many publishers and developers didn't seem to think so as evidenced by the system's lifecycle and support. EA even refused to categorise Wii U as a "Gen 4" console. Memoryman3 (talk) 00:49, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- There's multiple in the article already, not to mention, simple Google searches find more pretty easily too. Sergecross73 msg me 01:16, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Could you cite any reliable sources that define the Wii U as competing with the PS4 and Xbox One? Many publishers and developers didn't seem to think so as evidenced by the system's lifecycle and support. EA even refused to categorise Wii U as a "Gen 4" console. Memoryman3 (talk) 00:49, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- No, reliable sources don't commonly state this. Sergecross73 msg me 23:15, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Then the Wii should stay in 6th or 7th gen, it's literally an overclocked GameCube. VitAlv13 (talk) 12:53, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- We go by what reliable sources say, per WP:V, not personal observations on horsepower of the hardware. Sergecross73 msg me 12:55, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- Then the Game & Watch Super Mario Bros. (2020) would be the successor to the Switch, because it released later? VitAlv13 (talk) 13:41, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- That's not how that works, particularly with a product line as complex as Nintendo's. — Masem (t) 13:44, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- I don't understand how you could have come to that conclusion from what I said. Sergecross73 msg me 13:57, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- Then the Game & Watch Super Mario Bros. (2020) would be the successor to the Switch, because it released later? VitAlv13 (talk) 13:41, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- We go by what reliable sources say, per WP:V, not personal observations on horsepower of the hardware. Sergecross73 msg me 12:55, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- Then the Wii should stay in 6th or 7th gen, it's literally an overclocked GameCube. VitAlv13 (talk) 12:53, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
The separation of Original and Slim
[edit]The Eighth generation of video game consoles is the first page to distinctly separate ps4 slim and Xbox one s from there original models. Every other page lists them together or under each-other.
The pro models make sense to separate, the slim models should be merged in and added to details to the original model. Doremon764 (talk) 03:18, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- The slim models were only a casing redesign but did not significantly change the CPU or GPU. the Pro models did improve these systems and others. That's why they are treated differently Masem (t) 03:50, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Seconded, Masem is correct. Sergecross73 msg me 13:18, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- I meant on other lists slim models are not displayed separately from the original model.
- Seventh generation of video game consoles (with Wii, Xbox 360, and PS3)
- Sixth generation of video game consoles (with PS2)
- Even with Third generation of video game consoles, as well as Second generation of video game consoles(with SG-1000, NES/Famicom, Master System/Mark III, Atari 7800, and for second generation Atari 2600 and Intellivision)
- The chart on this page separate into columns Xbox one from its s model, the PS4 from its slim model, and Nintendo Switch oled model from the original column. Doremon764 (talk) 22:05, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- When it comes to the handhelds on this page PSVita and 3DS are pact in the same box when it comes to how the chart is displayed. Just to bring up the inconsistency of the charts. Doremon764 (talk) 22:09, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I meant on other lists slim models are not displayed separately from the original model.
- Seconded, Masem is correct. Sergecross73 msg me 13:18, 20 July 2024 (UTC)