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== Proposed deletion of [[:Category:Slavic countries and territories|Category:Slavic countries and territories]] ==

It is currently being proposed that [[:Category:Slavic countries and territories|Category:Slavic countries and territories]] be deleted. This article is related to that category. The relevant discussion is located at [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 January 8#Countries and territories by language family]]. The discussion would benefit from input from editors with a knowledge of and interest in Croats. [[User:Krakkos|Krakkos]] ([[User talk:Krakkos|talk]]) 11:16, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

== Croats and Serbs ==
Respected everyone, I am of the opinion that Croats and Serbs are natives of the Balkans and that there is good literature, references, notes and sources and that Serbs and Croats, except the southern Slavs were Illyrians, and also that Serbs are Vinci and Croats Vučedol. Considering a video entitled "Arrival of Serbs and Croats and the Siege of Constantinople in 626 - The Immigration of Slavs to the Balkans" by the author of the Serbian Battle, I think we are. I have said or will say the same on hr.wiki and en.wiki. Also, apart from being Slavs, Illyrians and Vučedolci (Serbs are Illyrian as well, but Vinci) we are also a Mediterranean race as we are together with Serbs a Dinaric race. With respect, [[User:Uspjeh je ključ života|Uspjeh je ključ života]] ([[User talk:Uspjeh je ključ života|talk]]) 22:14, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

:Your opinion is less than useless. We go by Reliable Sources. The Slavs arrived in the Balkans in the 6th century, later communalizing into their separate tribes - Serbs, Croats, etc. This is undisputed fact. [[Special:Contributions/50.111.55.190|50.111.55.190]] ([[User talk:50.111.55.190|talk]]) 13:14, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

== Joseph Broz Tito image should be removed ==

The Tito article says he is slovene-croat (but himself considers ethnic Yugoslav - or south slavic), so i recomend to put in the description that he is slovene-croat, or remove the image [[User:John L. Booth|John L. Booth]] ([[User talk:John L. Booth|talk]]) 21:51, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

== seven year old tag unaddressed ==

Both the language used in legal texts and that used in Glagolitic literature gradually came under the influence of the vernacular, which considerably affected its [[phonology|phonological]], [[morphology (linguistics)|morphological]] and [[lexicology|lexical]] systems. From the 14th and the 15th centuries, both secular and religious songs at church festivals were composed in the vernacular.<-- statement tagged in 2015 - will the editor who added this please supply a reference? Moved to the TP in the meantime. [[Special:Contributions/50.111.55.190|50.111.55.190]] ([[User talk:50.111.55.190|talk]]) 18:18, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

== Lead image in infobox ==
{{Infobox ethnic group
| group = Croats<br /> ''Hrvati''
| native_name =
| native_name_lang =
| flag =
| flag_caption =
| image = ParejaCroataEnTrajeDeFiesta--cu31924028092819.jpg
| caption = Croatian couple in festive dress, {{circa|1913}}
| population = {{circa|'''7–8 million'''}}<ref>{{cite book|last=Bellamy|first=Alex J.|year=2003|title=The Formation of Croatian National Identity: A Centuries-Old Dream|publisher=Manchester University Press|location=Manchester, England|isbn=978-0-71906-502-6|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=T3PqrrnrE5EC|page=116}}</ref>[[File:Map of the Croatian Diaspora in the World.svg|center|frameless|260x260px]]
| regions = {{Flag|Croatia}}<br />3,550,000 <small>(2021)</small><ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.dzs.hr/Eng/censuses/census2011/results/htm/E01_01_04/e01_01_04_RH.html |title=Central Bureau of Statistics |publisher=Dzs.hr |access-date=2013-03-26}}</ref><br />{{Flag|Bosnia and Herzegovina}}<br />544,780 <small>(2013)</small><ref>{{cite book|title=Sarajevo, juni 2016. Cenzus of Population, Households and Dwellings in Bosnia and Herzegovina, 2013 Final Results|publisher=BHAS|url=http://www.popis2013.ba/popis2013/doc/Popis2013prvoIzdanje.pdf|access-date=30 June 2016|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20171224103940/http://www.popis2013.ba/popis2013/doc/Popis2013prvoIzdanje.pdf|archive-date=24 December 2017|url-status=dead}}</ref>
| region1 = {{Flag|United States}}
| pop1 = 414,714 <small>(2012)</small><ref>[https://archive.today/20200212212618/http://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?pid=ACS_12_1YR_B04003&prodType=table- Results &nbsp;] American Fact Finder (US Census Bureau)</ref>–1,200,000 <small>(est.)</small><ref>[https://hrvatiizvanrh.gov.hr/hrvati-izvan-rh-2463/croatian-diaspora/croatian-diaspora-in-the-united-states-of-america/2485 Croatian diaspora in the USA] ''It has been estimated that around 1.200.000 Croats and their descendants live in the USA.''</ref>
| region2 = {{Flag|Germany}}
| pop2 = 500,000 <small>(2021)</small><ref name=destatis/>
| ref2 = <ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.hrvatiizvanrh.hr/en/hmiu/croatian-diaspora-in-federal-republic-of-germany/32|title=State Office for Croats Abroad|website=Hrvatiizvanrh.hr|access-date=18 March 2015|archive-date=30 September 2018|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180930225834/http://www.hrvatiizvanrh.hr/en/hmiu/croatian-diaspora-in-federal-republic-of-germany/32|url-status=dead}}</ref>
| region3 = {{flag|Chile}}
| pop3 = 380,000
| ref3 = <ref>[http://hrvatskimigracije.es.tl/Diaspora-Croata.htm Diaspora Croata] ''El Ministerio de Relaciones Exteriores de la República de Chile evalúa que en ese país actualmente viven 380.000 personas consideradas de ser de descendencia croata, lo que es un 2,4% de la población total de Chile.''</ref>
| region4 = {{flag|Argentina}}
| pop4 = 250,000
| ref4 = <ref name="croata"/>
| region5 = {{flag|Austria}}
| pop5 = 221,719 <small>(2020)</small>
| ref5 = <ref name="statistik.at"/>
| region6 = {{flag|Australia}}
| pop6 = 164,362 <small>(2021)</small>
| ref6 = <ref name=2021Census>{{cite web |url=https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/people-and-communities/cultural-diversity-census/latest-release#cite-window2|date=9 October 2022|publisher=abs.gov.au}}</ref>
| region7 = {{flag|Canada}}
| pop7 = 133,965 <small>(2016)</small>
| ref7 = <ref name=2016Census>{{cite web |url=http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2016/dp-pd/hlt-fst/imm/Table.cfm?Lang=E&T=31&Geo=01&SO=4D|title=Immigration and Ethnocultural Diversity Highlight Tables|date=25 October 2017|publisher=statcan.gc.ca}}</ref>
| region8 = {{flag|Switzerland}}
| pop8 = 80,000 <small>(2021)</small>
| ref8 = <ref name="admin.ch"/>
| region9 = {{flag|Brazil}}
| pop9 = 70,000
| ref9 = <ref name="croata"/>
| region10 = {{flag|Italy}}
| pop10 = 60,000
| ref10 = <ref>{{cite web|url=https://hrvatiizvanrh.gov.hr/print.aspx?id=2476&url=print|title=Croatian diaspora in Italy|publisher=Središnji državni ured za Hrvate izvan Republike Hrvatske|access-date=25 January 2020|language=en|archive-date=5 July 2020|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20200705170145/https://hrvatiizvanrh.gov.hr/print.aspx?id=2476&url=print|url-status=dead}}</ref>
| region11 = {{flag|Serbia}}
| pop11 = 57,900 <small>(2011)</small>
| ref11 = <ref name=SerbianCensus/>
| region12 = {{flag|Slovenia}}
| pop12 = 50,000
| ref12 = <ref name="stat.si"/>
| region13 = {{flag|France}}
| pop13 = 40,000 <small>(est.)</small>
| ref13 = <ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/fr/dossiers-pays/croatie/presentation-de-la-croatie/|title=Présentation de la Croatie|publisher=[[Ministry of Foreign Affairs and International Development (France)|Ministry of Foreign Affairs and International Development]]|access-date=28 June 2016|language=fr}}</ref>
| region14 = {{flag|Sweden}}
| pop14 = 35,000 <small>(est.)</small>
| ref14 = <ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.hrvatiizvanrh.hr/hr/hmiu/hrvatsko-iseljenistvo-u-svedskoj/36|title=Hrvatsko iseljeništvo u Švedskoj|language=hr|website=Hrvatiizvanrh.hr|access-date=18 March 2015|archive-date=20 February 2019|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20190220025126/http://www.hrvatiizvanrh.hr/hr/hmiu/hrvatsko-iseljenistvo-u-svedskoj/36|url-status=dead}}</ref>
{{collapsed infobox section begin|'''Other countries<br />(fewer than 30,000)'''}}
| region15 = {{flag|New Zealand}}
| pop15 = 2,673–60,000 <small>(2013 est.)</small>
| ref15 = <ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/dalmatians/page-7|title=7. Facts and figures – Dalmatians – Te Ara Encyclopedia of New Zealand|access-date=18 March 2015}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.hrvatiizvanrh.hr/hr/hmiu/hrvatsko-iseljenistvo-u-novom-zelandu/31|language=hr|title=Hrvatsko iseljeništvo u Novom Zelandu|website=Hrvatiizvanrh.hr|access-date=18 March 2015|archive-date=6 February 2019|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20190206072739/http://www.hrvatiizvanrh.hr/hr/hmiu/hrvatsko-iseljenistvo-u-novom-zelandu/31|url-status=dead}}</ref>
| region16 = {{flag|Hungary}}
| pop16 = 22,995 <small>(2016)</small>
| ref16 = <ref name="KSH">{{cite book|last=Vukovich|first=Gabriella|url=http://www.ksh.hu/docs/hun/xftp/idoszaki/mikrocenzus2016/mikrocenzus_2016_12.pdf|title=Mikrocenzus 2016 – 12. Nemzetiségi adatok|trans-title=2016 microcensus – 12. Ethnic data|language=hu|work=Hungarian Central Statistical Office|location=Budapest|year=2018|access-date=9 January 2019|isbn=978-963-235-542-9}}</ref>
| region17 = {{flag|Ireland}}
| pop17 = 20,000 - 100,000 <small> (est.)</small>
| ref17 = <ref>{{cite web|url=https://hrvatiizvanrh.gov.hr/hrvati-izvan-rh/hrvatsko-iseljenistvo/hrvatsko-iseljenistvo-u-irskoj/4697|title=Hrvatsko iseljeništvo u Irskoj |date=|website=Government of Croatia|lang=hr|accessdate=2022-09-27}}</ref>
| region18 = {{flag|Netherlands}}
| pop18 = 10,000
| ref18 = <ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.hrvatiizvanrh.hr/en/hmiu/croatian-diaspora-in-the-kingdom-of-the-netherlands/29|title=State Office for Croats Abroad|website=Hrvatiizvanrh.hr|access-date=18 March 2015|archive-date=20 February 2019|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20190220025341/http://www.hrvatiizvanrh.hr/en/hmiu/croatian-diaspora-in-the-kingdom-of-the-netherlands/29|url-status=dead}}</ref>
| region19 = {{flag|South Africa}}
| pop19 = 8,000
| ref19 = <ref name="hic.hr"/>
| region20 = {{flag|United Kingdom}}
| pop20 = 6,992
| ref20 = <ref name="oecd.org"/>
| region21 = {{flag|Romania}}
| pop21 = 6,786
| ref21 = <ref name="mimmc.ro"/>
| region22 = {{flag|Montenegro}}
| pop22 = 6,021 (2020)
| ref22 = <ref name="monstat.org"/>
| region23 = {{flag|Peru}}
| pop23 = 6,000
| ref23 = <ref name="croata"/>
| region24 = {{flag|Colombia}}
| pop24 = 5,800 <small>(est.)</small>
| ref24 = <ref name="croata"/><ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.cancilleria.gov.co/republica-croacia|title=República de Croacia|work=Cancillería|date=26 September 2013|access-date=20 February 2015}}</ref>
| region25 = {{flag|Denmark}}
| pop25 = 5,400
| ref25 = <ref name="joshuaproject.net"/>
| region26 = {{flag|Norway}}
| pop26 = 5,272
| ref26 = <ref name="ssb.no">{{cite web|url=http://www.ssb.no/219754/population-by-immigrant-category-and-country-background|title=Population by immigrant category and country background. |date=1 January 2015|publisher=Statistics Norway|access-date=18 March 2015}}</ref>
| region27 = {{flag|Paraguay}}
| pop27 = 5,000
| ref27 = <ref name="croata"/><ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.hrvatiizvanrh.hr/hr/hmiu/hrvatsko-iseljenistvo-u-ekvadoru/24|title=Hrvatsko iseljeništvo u Ekvadoru|language=hr|access-date=18 March 2015|archive-date=26 January 2019|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20190126074945/http://www.hrvatiizvanrh.hr/hr/hmiu/hrvatsko-iseljenistvo-u-ekvadoru/24|url-status=dead}}</ref>
| region28 = {{flag|Ecuador}}
| pop28 = 4,000
| ref28 = <ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.hrvatiizvanrh.hr/en/hmiu/croatian-diaspora-in-paraguay/33|title=State Office for Croats Abroad|website=Hrvatiizvanrh.hr|access-date=18 March 2015|archive-date=1 February 2019|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20190201083201/http://www.hrvatiizvanrh.hr/en/hmiu/croatian-diaspora-in-paraguay/33|url-status=dead}}</ref>
| region29 = {{flag|Slovakia}}
| pop29 = 2,001<ref>{{Cite web |title=SODB2021 - Obyvatelia - Základné výsledky |url=https://www.scitanie.sk/obyvatelia/zakladne-vysledky/struktura-obyvatelstva-podla-narodnosti/SR/SK0/SR |access-date=2022-08-25 |website=www.scitanie.sk}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |title=SODB2021 - Obyvatelia - Základné výsledky |url=https://www.scitanie.sk/obyvatelia/zakladne-vysledky/struktura-obyvatelstva-podla-dalsej-narodnosti/SR/SK0/SR |access-date=2022-08-25 |website=www.scitanie.sk}}</ref>-2,600
| ref29 = <ref name="Glas Koncila"/>
| region30 = {{flag|Czech Republic}}
| pop30 = 2,490
| ref30 = <ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.czso.cz/documents/11292/27914491/1312_c01t14.pdf/17c97f0e-03e1-4a81-84e0-02695b9a637b?version=1.0|title=Croats of Czech Republic: Ethnic People Profile|work=czso.cz|publisher=[[Czech Statistical Office]]|access-date=17 April 2017}}</ref>
| region31 = {{flag|Portugal}}
| pop31 = 499
| ref31 = <ref>{{cite web|url=https://sefstat.sef.pt/Docs/Rifa2020.pdf|title=Sefstat}}</ref>
| region32 = {{flag|Russia}}
| pop32 = 304
| ref32 = <ref>[http://www.gks.ru/free_doc/new_site/perepis2010/croc/Documents/Vol4/pub-04-01.pdf Всероссийская перепись населения 2010. Национальный состав населения] {{Webarchive|url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180906073144/http://www.perepis2002.ru/content.html?id=11 |date=6 September 2018 }} {{in lang|ru}}</ref>
{{collapsed infobox section end}}
| region33 = '''[[List of European countries|Europe]]'''
| pop33 = {{circa|'''5,300,000'''}}
| ref33 =
| region34 = '''[[List of North American countries|North America]]'''
| pop34 = {{circa|'''530,000–2,500,000'''}}
| ref34 = {{ref label|a|a}}
| region35 = '''[[List of South American Countries|South America]]'''
| pop35 = {{circa|'''470,000–650,000'''}}
| ref35 =
| langs = [[Croatian language|Croatian]]<br />{{hlist|([[Shtokavian]]|[[Chakavian]]|[[Kajkavian]])}}
| rels = '''Majority:'''<br />[[File:Christian cross.svg|15px]] [[Roman Catholicism]]<ref name="Martin 1997">{{cite book|last=Marty|first=Martin E.|title=Religion, Ethnicity, and Self-Identity: Nations in Turmoil|year=1997|publisher=University Press of New England|quote=[...] the three ethnoreligious groups that have played the roles of the protagonists in the bloody tragedy that has unfolded in the former Yugoslavia: the Christian Orthodox Serbs, the Roman Catholic Croats, and the Muslim Slavs of Bosnia.|isbn=0-87451-815-6|url-access=registration|url=https://archive.org/details/religionethnicit00mart}}</ref>
| related = Other [[South Slavs]]<ref name="ethnologue.com"/>
| footnotes = {{note label|a|a}} References:<ref name="Farkas">{{cite book|last=Farkas|first=Evelyn|page=99|title=Fractured States and U.S. Foreign Policy. Iraq, Ethiopia, and Bosnia in the 1990s|year=2003|publisher=Palgrave Macmillan US}}</ref><ref name="Paquin">{{cite book|last=Paquin|first=Jonathan|page=68|title=A Stability-Seeking Power: US Foreign Policy and Secessionist Conflicts|year=2010|publisher=McGill-Queen's University Press}}</ref><ref name="Directory of Historical Organizatio">{{cite book|page=205|title=Directory of Historical Organizations in the United States and Canada|year=2002|publisher=American Association for State and Local History}}</ref><ref name="Zanger">{{cite book|last=Zanger|first=Mark|page=80|title=The American Ethnic Cookbook for Students|year=2001|publisher=Greenwood}}</ref><ref name="Levinson, Ember">{{cite book|last=Levinson, Ember|first=David, Melvin|page=[https://archive.org/details/americanimmigran00davi/page/191 191]|title=American immigrant cultures: builders of a nation|url=https://archive.org/details/americanimmigran00davi|url-access=registration|year=1997|publisher=Macmillan}}</ref><ref>{{cite book|page=690|title=Foreign Operations, Export Financing, and Related Programs Appropriations for 1994: Testimony of members of Congress and other interested individuals and organizations|year=1993|publisher=United States. Congress. House. Committee on Appropriations. Subcommittee on Foreign Operations, Export Financing, and Related Programs}}</ref><ref name="National Genealogical Inquirer">{{cite book|page=47|title=National Genealogical Inquirer|year=1979|publisher=Janlen Enterprises}}</ref>
| region36 = '''Other'''
| ref36 = {{circa|'''140,000–250,000'''}}
}}
I added this lead image to the infobox, but it was removed by {{ping|Lalisa Manobal}} without comment. How do others feel about including this or another lead image in the infobox? Note that there is precedent for doing so: in [[Hungarians]], for example. [[User:Ficaia|𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆]] ([[User talk:Ficaia|talk]]) 05:21, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

:The image looks ok. I guess it's how even how most of Croat imagine the traditional Croats to look like. [[User:Governor Sheng|Governor Sheng]] ([[User talk:Governor Sheng|talk]]) 06:25, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

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== This article, Croats ==

has a Hatnote at the top ‘not to be confused with Croatians’, but Croatians redirects to this article, so it’s a useless hatnote. Is this a mistake?
Interestingly, ‘Croatians (demonym)’ redirects to Demographics of Croatia so maybe the hatnote was meant to redirect there. [[User:BhamBoi|BhamBoi]] ([[User talk:BhamBoi|talk]]) 17:43, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

:Cleaned up now, thanks. --[[User:Joy|Joy &#91;shallot&#93;]] ([[User talk:Joy|talk]]) 17:48, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

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