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Cruise ships are an environmental disaster. There needs to be a section on this.


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== Origins ==
Ugly great things, and with a propensity to flood nice places with hundreds of morons all at once, too :-)


I disagree. They're not ugly. ;-)


Environmental Disaster? I bet you love your car too.

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Isn't it worth mentioning that South Korea is the largest shipbuilder? I'm not sure if taht's also the case for cruise shps but i'm pretty sure it is... [[User:Igob8a|Igob8a]] 02:36, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

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Where are statistics on how much food is on a cruise ship?
:Added statistics on food consumption. [[User:Gsloan|Gsloan]] 02:26, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

:Add that the ancient Egyptians had a form of Cruise Ship?

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Added link to "External Links" "Types of Cruiselines." Removed link to [http://cheapdiscountcruise.info/sitemap.html Discount Cruises]

Would love more information on how the ships are run. My research has shown that most ships are staffed almost exclusively from Italy, India, China, Eastern Europe, with very few Americans. Since the ships are not under the protection of any one government (traveling through different waters) most of the crew members do not pay taxes on their wages. This is a great benefit to them and the Cruise companies... they pay them less as a result. American's are the only ones who must still pay income taxes regardless of where the boat starts out or ends up.
These are massive moving countries if you will. They have the law of the ship. For example the doctors aboard are not subject to American standards of practice. They are within their rights to treat a patient one day and have sex with her the next.

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== Cruise Ship Terminals ==
There is no mention of where a cruise goes, or the requirements for larger cruise ships such as superyachts and luxury liners. This is a very important environmental, economic and geographical issue. The installation of Cruise Ship Terminals greatly affects the surrounding environment insofar as depth, sea walls, and habitat for various aquatic organisms such as fish and aquatic vegetation.
[[AQjosh]]

==Environmental Disaster==
they are an environmental disaster. they dump raw sewage directly into the ocean (without any treatment) which pollutes waters. they also carry invasive species from one habitat to another. this is a major threat to biodiversity.
i was actually looking at the cruise ships article to find out more.
:Sounds interesting. I don't know anything about that. Why don't you add what you know, to give people a framework to add more? -- [[User:Aaronwinborn|Aaronwinborn]] 13:36, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
:I disagree - whilst on Carnival's Fantasy the other month, they claimed in a video on-board that all sewage onboard the ship is treated with chemicals before being flushed into the sea. On short cruises, and where available, it claimed that the sewage is usually stored and then transported (im assuming via a tube/pipe) to a truck, and then sent to a special facility to clean the waste. However, it could be all rubbish, and they're trying to sound good, as I cant say that you could prove it without working for them. -- [[User:pmhtuk|pmhtuk]] 20.27, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
:I worked on cruise ships 20 years ago. All sewage was treated even then prior to being pumped over board. On the [[SS Oriana (1959)|SS ''Oriana'']] and [[SS Canberra|SS ''Canberra'']] the holds the had previously been used for cargo in their days as [[Ocean Liner|passenger liners]] were filled with aerobic digestion tanks. No doubt environmental legislation since then has made the requirements for sewage treatment even greater- some enclosed waters I believe do prohibit the pumping out of treated sewage and tanks haved to be pumped out ashore. And as far as transporting invasive creatures from one place to another, all shipping has the potential to do that- not just cruise ships. Ballast water, pumped into ballast tanks in one area of the world and discharged in another, has long been recognised as a source of invasive species. Various organisations such as the [[US]] [[Environmental Protection Agency]] and the [[International Maritime Organisation]] are working towards solutions for this problem. All of the major cruise ship operators spend a lot of money making their ships as environmentally friendly as possible, including the design of their engines. Many modern ships have been fitted with Gas Turbines for operation in environmentally sensitive areas, as these engine, although very much more expensive to run, produce less pollutants and visible smoke. Advances in diesel engine technology have also resulted in much lower emissions [http://www.wartsila.com/Wartsila/docs/en/ship_power/media_publications/marine_news/2001_2/diesel_electric_cruise_ships.pdf]. I would suggest that the person who chose to remain anonymous should do some research and quote sources before posting comments like those above.--[[User:Dashers|Dashers]] 23:21, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
:I must say I read the same thing regarding their negative environmental impact, albeit a year or two ago. I will do a bit of research and see what turns up [[User:Tellkel|Tellkel]] 09:37, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

== Carnival ships/Hurricane Katrina==
The paragraph on the use of Carnival ships for housing Hurricane Katrina victims is too specific for a general article such as this. I propose to move it to the Carnival Cruise Lines page. [[User:Kablammo|Kablammo]] 01:09, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
:Done. [[User:Kablammo|Kablammo]] 18:32, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I think a mention of cruise ships is appropriate. At least a cross reference to the use in natural disasters or the Athens Olymics say.

== Way Bigger is Way Better ==

Is there any place where we can put this information?--[[User:Xlegiofalco|Xlegiofalco]] 14:20, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14471443/?GT1=8404

== Food consumption and norovirus ==
I think the norovirus episodes need to be mentioned in the history of cruise ships. At the very least a reference to the incidents.

The natural place to mention it would be following:


There's a mixup in [[Cruise ship#Origins|Origins]] about P&O being first...
"As with any vessel, adequate provisioning is crucial, especially on a cruise ship serving several thousand meals at each seating. The amount of food and beverages consumed by a cruise ship on an average seven-day voyage is staggering. Passengers and crew on the Royal Caribbean International ship Mariner of the Seas consume 20,000 pounds of beef, 28,000 eggs, 8,000 gallons of ice cream, and 18,000 slices of pizza in a week."
[[P&O Cruises|P&O]] first introduced passenger-cruising services in 1844, advertising sea tours to destinations such as [[Gibraltar]], Malta and Athens, sailing from [[Southampton]].
*current link is to P&O Cruises, which didn't exist till about 1977, when restructuring of P&O into several entities was done, instead to parent P&O (company)
*P&O Cruises ''is'' one of successors, and inheritor of cruising tradition of the parent company that did that cruise in 19. century, but it is not the same one
*it seems original P&O was called Peninsular and Oriental Steamship Company in 1844; I'd like to see when P&O actually got in use (but that is for the P&O (company) article)


Current contents of this article reads as if a company not existing before around 1977 made business in 1844, which would make smart 12 years olds laugh maddly, and dismiss Wikipedia as serious source of info when laughing fit settles.
as norovirus is linked to food preparation sanitation.


I propose change of link from P&O (which currently means P&O Cruises) to P&O (company) at first, e.g.
[[P&O (company)|P&O]] first introduced passenger-cruising services in 1844, advertising sea tours to destinations such as [[Gibraltar]], Malta and Athens, sailing from [[Southampton]]


Later a section (or permanent link) to the part of that article with historically correct name could be created in that article and link changed to show there. I'll probably do the first change in a week or two, if nobody disagrees here. --[[User:Marjan Tomki SI|Marjan Tomki SI]] ([[User talk:Marjan Tomki SI|talk]]) 08:48, 3 February 2022 (UTC)


== Duration ==
Does each passenger on this ship really consume over 2.5 gallons (10 liters) of ice cream in a week (ie approx 30,000 calories if Haagen Dazs) [[User:Dencynic|Dencynic]] 17:13, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


Are there any good statistics on how long cruises typically last? Does it vary by destination? -- [[User:Beland|Beland]] ([[User talk:Beland|talk]]) 03:29, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
:I don't believe that they do it "all at one sitting", if that's what you're asking. However, divide the 30,000 kcal over 7 days and you've got (only) a little less than 2300 kcal per day per person (in just ice cream). Given the facts that a) Kids on the ships probably consume *easily* that much ("free, all - you - can - eat ice cream, kids? come and get it!") and b) Cruises are usually an annual opportunity for fat people to become *really* fat people (basically a 24/7 - all - you - can - eat floating buffet), you've got to think that it's not far from the truth.


:Length of cruise varies a lot based on a number of factors. Most cruises I say last in between three to seven days, but I don't know anywhere that would provide hard statistics on that. [[User:SpiritedMichelle|SpiritedMichelle]] ([[User talk:SpiritedMichelle|talk]]) 19:27, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
== External links ==


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== Cruise ship ==
* Which of the external links should be kept? I find some of dubious value. [[User:James Kidd|James Kidd]] 04:49, 29 December 2006 (UTC)


Discuss about cruise ship [[Special:Contributions/124.105.199.163|124.105.199.163]] ([[User talk:124.105.199.163|talk]]) 05:29, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
I may suggest to add the link to the subpages of this webpage *[http://ships.galutschek.at/ divX clips on passenger ships] to the corresponding wikipedia pages. There are not too many pages with videos on ships and providing the link would be a justified addition to the corresponding wikipedia articles.


== Oldest cruise line ==
See also the *[http://ships.galutschek.at/by_name/ alphabetic list of ship names]


Cunard Line was started in 1840, four years before P&O Cruises. [[Special:Contributions/2600:1700:E381:6AA0:B874:8704:FDEE:900C|2600:1700:E381:6AA0:B874:8704:FDEE:900C]] ([[User talk:2600:1700:E381:6AA0:B874:8704:FDEE:900C|talk]]) 13:38, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
[[User:160.91.72.133|160.91.72.133]] 18:30, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


== List of norovirus incidents ==
== 40% of energy for hotel load? ==


I don't believe this: "Cruise ships may use 60 percent of the fuel energy for propulsion, and 40 percent for hotel functions". Here is a source that says 20%, which I find more believable: [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0196890423004673] [[User:GA-RT-22|GA-RT-22]] ([[User talk:GA-RT-22|talk]]) 15:53, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
A section was recently added listing norovirus incidents. While the addition is sourced and the subject should be addressed, the present list occupies a disproportionate amount of space, and also is an invitation to add further incidents as they occur. (The same content is repeated at [[Norovirus#Norovirus_on_cruise_ships]].) Do we need this level of detail in this article? [[User:Kablammo|Kablammo]] 21:52, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:Now condensed, with ''seealso'' added to Norovirus article. [[User:Kablammo|Kablammo]] 16:27, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 05:19, 18 October 2024


Origins

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There's a mixup in Origins about P&O being first... 

P&O first introduced passenger-cruising services in 1844, advertising sea tours to destinations such as Gibraltar, Malta and Athens, sailing from Southampton.
  • current link is to P&O Cruises, which didn't exist till about 1977, when restructuring of P&O into several entities was done, instead to parent P&O (company)
  • P&O Cruises is one of successors, and inheritor of cruising tradition of the parent company that did that cruise in 19. century, but it is not the same one
  • it seems original P&O was called Peninsular and Oriental Steamship Company in 1844; I'd like to see when P&O actually got in use (but that is for the P&O (company) article)

Current contents of this article reads as if a company not existing before around 1977 made business in 1844, which would make smart 12 years olds laugh maddly, and dismiss Wikipedia as serious source of info when laughing fit settles.

I propose change of link from P&O (which currently means P&O Cruises) to P&O (company) at first, e.g. 

P&O first introduced passenger-cruising services in 1844, advertising sea tours to destinations such as Gibraltar, Malta and Athens, sailing from Southampton

Later a section (or permanent link) to the part of that article with historically correct name could be created in that article and link changed to show there. I'll probably do the first change in a week or two, if nobody disagrees here. --Marjan Tomki SI (talk) 08:48, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Duration

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Are there any good statistics on how long cruises typically last? Does it vary by destination? -- Beland (talk) 03:29, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Length of cruise varies a lot based on a number of factors. Most cruises I say last in between three to seven days, but I don't know anywhere that would provide hard statistics on that. SpiritedMichelle (talk) 19:27, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cruise ship

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Discuss about cruise ship 124.105.199.163 (talk) 05:29, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oldest cruise line

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Cunard Line was started in 1840, four years before P&O Cruises. 2600:1700:E381:6AA0:B874:8704:FDEE:900C (talk) 13:38, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

40% of energy for hotel load?

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I don't believe this: "Cruise ships may use 60 percent of the fuel energy for propulsion, and 40 percent for hotel functions". Here is a source that says 20%, which I find more believable: [1] GA-RT-22 (talk) 15:53, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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