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Origins

There's a mixup in Origins about P&O being first...

P&O first introduced passenger-cruising services in 1844, advertising sea tours to destinations such as Gibraltar, Malta and Athens, sailing from Southampton.

current link is to P&O Cruises, which didn't exist till about 1977, when restructuring of P&O into several entities was done, instead to parent P&O (company)
P&O Cruises is one of successors, and inheritor of cruising tradition of the parent company that did that cruise in 19. century, but it is not the same one
it seems original P&O was called Peninsular and Oriental Steamship Company in 1844; I'd like to see when P&O actually got in use (but that is for the P&O (company) article)

Current contents of this article reads as if a company not existing before around 1977 made business in 1844, which would make smart 12 years olds laugh maddly, and dismiss Wikipedia as serious source of info when laughing fit settles.

I propose change of link from P&O (which currently means P&O Cruises) to P&O (company) at first, e.g.

P&O first introduced passenger-cruising services in 1844, advertising sea tours to destinations such as Gibraltar, Malta and Athens, sailing from Southampton

Later a section (or permanent link) to the part of that article with historically correct name could be created in that article and link changed to show there. I'll probably do the first change in a week or two, if nobody disagrees here. --Marjan Tomki SI (talk) 08:48, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Duration

Are there any good statistics on how long cruises typically last? Does it vary by destination? -- Beland (talk) 03:29, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Length of cruise varies a lot based on a number of factors. Most cruises I say last in between three to seven days, but I don't know anywhere that would provide hard statistics on that. SpiritedMichelle (talk) 19:27, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cruise ship

Discuss about cruise ship 124.105.199.163 (talk) 05:29, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oldest cruise line

Cunard Line was started in 1840, four years before P&O Cruises. 2600:1700:E381:6AA0:B874:8704:FDEE:900C (talk) 13:38, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

40% of energy for hotel load?

I don't believe this: "Cruise ships may use 60 percent of the fuel energy for propulsion, and 40 percent for hotel functions". Here is a source that says 20%, which I find more believable: [1] GA-RT-22 (talk) 15:53, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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+== Origins ==
-Ugly great things, and with a propensity to flood nice places with hundreds of morons all at once, too :-)
+There's a mixup in [[Cruise ship#Origins|Origins]] about P&O being first...
+ [[P&O Cruises|P&O]] first introduced passenger-cruising services in 1844, advertising sea tours to destinations such as [[Gibraltar]], Malta and Athens, sailing from [[Southampton]].
+*current link is to P&O Cruises, which didn't exist till about 1977, when restructuring of P&O into several entities was done, instead to parent P&O (company)
+*P&O Cruises ''is'' one of successors, and inheritor of cruising tradition of the parent company that did that cruise in 19. century, but it is not the same one
+*it seems original P&O was called Peninsular and Oriental Steamship Company in 1844; I'd like to see when P&O actually got in use (but that is for the P&O (company) article)
+Current contents of this article reads as if a company not existing before around 1977 made business in 1844, which would make smart 12 years olds laugh maddly, and dismiss Wikipedia as serious source of info when laughing fit settles.
-I disagree. They're not ugly. ;-)
+I propose change of link from P&O (which currently means P&O Cruises) to P&O (company) at first, e.g.
+ [[P&O (company)|P&O]] first introduced passenger-cruising services in 1844, advertising sea tours to destinations such as [[Gibraltar]], Malta and Athens, sailing from [[Southampton]]
+Later a section (or permanent link) to the part of that article with historically correct name could be created in that article and link changed to show there. I'll probably do the first change in a week or two, if nobody disagrees here. --[[User:Marjan Tomki SI|Marjan Tomki SI]] ([[User talk:Marjan Tomki SI|talk]]) 08:48, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
-Environmental Disaster? I bet you love your car too.
+== Duration ==
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-Where are statistics on how much food is on a cruise ship?
-:Added statistics on food consumption. [[User:Gsloan|Gsloan]] 02:26, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
+Are there any good statistics on how long cruises typically last? Does it vary by destination? -- [[User:Beland|Beland]] ([[User talk:Beland|talk]]) 03:29, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
-:Add that the ancient Egyptians had a form of Cruise Ship?
+:Length of cruise varies a lot based on a number of factors. Most cruises I say last in between three to seven days, but I don't know anywhere that would provide hard statistics on that. [[User:SpiritedMichelle|SpiritedMichelle]] ([[User talk:SpiritedMichelle|talk]]) 19:27, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
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-Added link to "External Links" "Types of Cruiselines." Removed link to [http://cheapdiscountcruise.info/sitemap.html Discount Cruises]
-== anti-piracy acoustic device? ==
+== Cruise ship ==
-'''An attack late last year against a luxury cruise liner was repelled by an ear-splitting acoustic device.''' is this common on luxry cruise ships? [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4636588.stm] [[User:StrengthCoach|StrengthCoach]] 18:14, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
+Discuss about cruise ship [[Special:Contributions/124.105.199.163|124.105.199.163]] ([[User talk:124.105.199.163|talk]]) 05:29, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
-== Cruise Ship Terminals ==
-There is no mention of where a cruise goes, or the requirements for larger cruise ships such as superyachts and luxury liners. This is a very important environmental, economic and geographical issue.   The installation of Cruise Ship Terminals greatly affects the surrounding environment insofar as depth, sea walls, and habitat for various aquatic organisms such as fish and aquatic vegetation.
-[[AQjosh]]
+== Oldest cruise line ==
-==Environmental Disaster==
-they are an environmental disaster. they dump raw sewage directly into the ocean (without any treatment) which pollutes waters. they also carry invasive species from one habitat to another. this is a major threat to biodiversity.
-i was actually looking at the cruise ships article to find out more.
-:Sounds interesting. I don't know anything about that. Why don't you add what you know, to give people a framework to add more? -- [[User:Aaronwinborn|Aaronwinborn]] 13:36, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
-:I disagree - whilst on Carnival's Fantasy the other month, they claimed in a video on-board that all sewage onboard the ship is treated with chemicals before being flushed into the sea. On short cruises, and where available, it claimed that the sewage is usually stored and then transported (im assuming via a tube/pipe) to a truck, and then sent to a special facility to clean the waste. However, it could be all rubbish, and they're trying to sound good, as I cant say that you could prove it without working for them. -- [[User:pmhtuk|pmhtuk]] 20.27, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
-:I worked on cruise ships 20 years ago. All sewage was treated even then prior to being pumped over board. On the [[SS Oriana (1959)|SS ''Oriana'']] and [[SS Canberra|SS ''Canberra'']] the holds the had previously been used for cargo in their days as [[Ocean Liner|passenger liners]] were filled with aerobic digestion tanks. No doubt environmental legislation since then has made the requirements for sewage treatment even greater- some enclosed waters I believe do prohibit the pumping out of treated sewage and tanks haved to be pumped out ashore. And as far as transporting invasive creatures from one place to another, all shipping has the potential to do that- not just cruise ships. Ballast water, pumped into ballast tanks in one area of the world and discharged in another, has long been recognised as a source of invasive species. Various organisations such as the [[US]] [[Environmental Protection Agency]] and the [[International Maritime Organisation]] are working towards solutions for this problem. All of the major cruise ship operators spend a lot of money making their ships as environmentally friendly as possible, including the design of their engines. Many modern ships have been fitted with Gas Turbines for operation in environmentally sensitive areas, as these engine, although very much more expensive to run, produce less pollutants and visible smoke. Advances in diesel engine technology have also resulted in much lower emissions [http://www.wartsila.com/Wartsila/docs/en/ship_power/media_publications/marine_news/2001_2/diesel_electric_cruise_ships.pdf]. I would suggest that the person who chose to remain anonymous should do some research and quote sources before posting comments like those above.--[[User:Dashers|Dashers]] 23:21, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
-:I must say I read the same thing regarding their negative environmental impact, albeit a year or two ago. I will do a bit of research and see what turns up [[User:Tellkel|Tellkel]] 09:37, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
+Cunard Line was started in 1840, four years before P&O Cruises. [[Special:Contributions/2600:1700:E381:6AA0:B874:8704:FDEE:900C|2600:1700:E381:6AA0:B874:8704:FDEE:900C]] ([[User talk:2600:1700:E381:6AA0:B874:8704:FDEE:900C|talk]]) 13:38, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
-== Carnival ships/Hurricane Katrina==
-The paragraph on the use of Carnival ships for housing Hurricane Katrina victims is too specific for a general article such as this.  I propose to move it to the Carnival Cruise Lines page.  [[User:Kablammo|Kablammo]] 01:09, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
+== 40% of energy for hotel load? ==
-:Done. [[User:Kablammo|Kablammo]] 18:32, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
+I don't believe this: "Cruise ships may use 60 percent of the fuel energy for propulsion, and 40 percent for hotel functions". Here is a source that says 20%, which I find more believable: [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0196890423004673] [[User:GA-RT-22|GA-RT-22]] ([[User talk:GA-RT-22|talk]]) 15:53, 30 January 2024 (UTC)