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== Constitutional monarchy vs republic == |
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After [[Mia Mottley]]'s announcement this week, editors are continually changing the article to reflect Barbados as a republic and remove mention of the [[Monarchy of Barbados]]. However, that change has not yet occurred, it has only been announced (with the goal of full republicanism by November 2021). As of now, the nation remains part of the monarchy until it officially announces otherwise, per: |
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-54174794 |
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/16/barbados-revives-plan-to-remove-queen-as-head-of-state-and-become-a-republic |
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https://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/247679/barbados-republic --[[User:Chimino|Chimino]] ([[User talk:Chimino|talk]]) 05:50, 23 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:Agree, any editor that changes it to republic should be reverted per [[WP:CRYSTALBALL]]. It's not correct until the point that Barbados officially gets rid of the monarchy in (apparently) 2021. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#ffcc00">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#00e64d">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk)]] 08:29, 19 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:And still the ridiculous two boxes claiming disputed neutrality are for what? The information given there is correct; Barbados has declared its intentions. What I see are Monarchists in a flap.[[Special:Contributions/86.87.191.180|86.87.191.180]] ([[User talk:86.87.191.180|talk]]) 22:51, 24 October 2021 (UTC) |
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== Split == |
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As Barbados is becoming a republic this year, I suggest that an article titled [[Barbados (1966–2021)]] be created, consistent with other former realms. And it should not be a complete mirror of this article, just a summary of that period of Barbadian history, including how it became a realm on independence, and how the government functioned. <span style="font-family:'Linux Libertine','Georgia','Times',serif">'''[[User:Peter Ormond|<span style="color:#113680"> Peter Ormond </span>]][[User talk:Peter Ormond|<span style="background:#d9cc6c; color:white; padding:2px;">💬</span>]]'''</span> 19:42, 5 August 2021 (UTC) |
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*'''Disagree''' per the reasons laid out by [[User:CaribDigita]] in the [[Talk:Barbados#Split after the switch to republic|section above]]. Unless there are major structural changes to Barbados' political system, other than a substitution of Queen & Governor General with President (or whatever the title may be when chosen), there is nothing to warrant a separate article. [[User:Cristiano Tomás|Cristiano Tomás]] ([[User talk:Cristiano Tomás|talk]]) 20:52, 12 August 2021 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment''' is Barbados having a referendum on this monarch-to-republic change or is it being done unilaterally by the government. Furthermore, what type of republic? Presidential, semi-presidential, or parliamentary. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 13:12, 9 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:: The Parliament of Barbados held a internal election amongst themselves. That's all that was done. |
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There is currently a high court challenge by a leader of one of the opposition parties in Barbados seeking to block the change right now. |
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* [https://www.facebook.com/NationBarbados/posts/10157987183875989 Barbados Republic Challenge by Grenville Phillips II.] |
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* [https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4967787466566853&set=p.4967787466566853&type=3 NationNews newspaper Article] |
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* Another opposition party said a national referendum should have been held too. [https://barbadostoday.bb/2021/07/28/referendum-needed-on-republicanism-dlp/] -- [[User: CaribDigita|CaribDigita]] ([[User talk:CaribDigita|talk]]) 01:09, 15 November 2021 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment''' There's better be an article about how Barbados gained its Independence before someone created the post-monarchy article. [[User:Mhatopzz|Mhatopzz]] ([[User talk:Mhatopzz|talk]]) 00:24, 2 November 2021 (UTC) |
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There's a PDF ref (booklet) by the government that I added to the [[Barbados Independence Act 1966]] article. [[User:CaribDigita|CaribDigita]] ([[User talk:CaribDigita|talk]]) 04:45, 15 November 2021 (UTC) |
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== Atlantic Island == |
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In the rather extensive introduction to the island, it states that Barbados is an Atlantic island that is associated with the Caribbean, but the Western seaboard of the island forms part of the border between the Caribbean sea and the Atlantic Ocean. It is a coral island unlike the nearby volcanic islands. Britannica lists Barbados' location as in the Caribbean sea as does Geographica: The Complete Illustrated Atlas of the World, published 1999. |
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Are there any other sources, preferably geographical so they're directly relevant that refer to Barbados as an Atlantic island? If so it would be helpful if they could be added. [[User:Iynx|Iynx]] ([[User talk:Iynx|talk]]) 07:42, 15 November 2021 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 29 November 2021 == |
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Add[[Republic of Barbados]] [[Special:Contributions/2601:47:4380:AFD8:5191:B58E:A5AB:7F7C|2601:47:4380:AFD8:5191:B58E:A5AB:7F7C]] ([[User talk:2601:47:4380:AFD8:5191:B58E:A5AB:7F7C|talk]]) 11:38, 29 November 2021 (UTC) |
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:[[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable source]] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:ScottishFinnishRadish|ScottishFinnishRadish]] ([[User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish|talk]]) 11:43, 29 November 2021 (UTC) |
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== When will they become a republic? == |
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Will the country become a ''republic'' at the stroke of mid-night Barbados time? [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 01:01, 30 November 2021 (UTC) |
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:Yes. [[Special:Contributions/199.7.157.76|199.7.157.76]] ([[User talk:199.7.157.76|talk]]) 03:40, 30 November 2021 (UTC) |
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== Republic of Barbados? == |
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Reading through the Constitution (Amendment) (No. 2 ) Bill, 2021, it contains no reference to a change in name of the Country to officially "The Republic of Barbados", unless someone has a source for an official name change the name should stay simply "Barbados" in my opinion [[User:WanukeX|WanukeX]] ([[User talk:WanukeX|talk]]) 04:12, 30 November 2021 (UTC) |
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: Agreed; I've been unable to find any sources saying that the name has changed to anything, and as such should probably remain as simply "Barbados." <b>[[User:Ohnoitsjamie|OhNo<span style="color: #D47C14;">itsJamie</span>]] [[User talk:Ohnoitsjamie|<sup>Talk</sup>]]</b> 04:16, 30 November 2021 (UTC) |
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:I also Agree; I've been looking and found no sources so should remain simply as Barbados until it can be sourced.[[User:Lankyant|Lankyant]] ([[User talk:Lankyant|talk]]) 04:20, 30 November 2021 (UTC) |
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In fact, [https://www.jn.pt/mundo/barbados-tornam-se-uma-republica-e-terminam-obediencia-a-coroa-britanica-14365786.html this source] states: |
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{{quote|The Minister of Science, Innovation and Technology named November 30 as "the day of independence" for the island, '''which will continue to be known as Barbados rather than the Republic of Barbados.'''<br> |
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<small>A ministra da Ciência, Inovação e Tecnologia apontou o dia 30 de novembro como "o dia da independência" da Ilha, '''que continuará a ser conhecida como Barbados ao invés de República de Barbados.'''</small>}} |
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<big>[[User:Skyshifter|<span style="color:#6E41B5;">Skyshifter</span>]]</big> [[User talk:Skyshifter|<span style="color:#8F88C2"><sup>talk</sup></span>]] 15:12, 30 November 2021 (UTC) |
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:Not many republics have the word '''republic''', in there country's official name. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 16:38, 30 November 2021 (UTC) |
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::*'''Comment:''' I'd disagree. For non-Federations it is pretty common to include "Republic of" in the Official Name. Can you think of any non Federations that don't have "Republic of_" in their official name? ([[List_of_ISO_3166_country_codes|LIST HERE]]) Only one I could think of is "Commonwealth of Dominica", and that's because if they were the 'Republic of Dominica' then that could confused them as the [[Dominican Republic]] further north. [[User:CaribDigita|CaribDigita]] ([[User talk:CaribDigita|talk]]) 06:56, 3 December 2021 (UTC) |
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:In [https://www.foreign.gov.bb/diplomatic-accreditation-of-h-e-milton-inniss-to-the-republic-of-malta/ this source] (Goverment of Barbados' website) it states: {{quote|It was probably the last accreditation ceremony for the High Commissioner with Her Majesty’s inscription on the Letters of Credence. The next phase will be endorsed by the President of the '''Republic of Barbados'''.}} [[User:Salvabl|Salvabl]] ([[User talk:Salvabl|talk]]) 17:26, 30 November 2021 (UTC) |
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:: That's a bit weak to source an official name change of the actual country. It's possible that the long-form title of the president includes "Republic" but the actual name of the nation does not. <b>[[User:Ohnoitsjamie|OhNo<span style="color: #D47C14;">itsJamie</span>]] [[User talk:Ohnoitsjamie|<sup>Talk</sup>]]</b> 19:46, 30 November 2021 (UTC) |
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::: Another source (dated AUG 21, 2021) - ''[https://gisbarbados.gov.bb/blog/pm-outlines-republic-journey-for-barbados/ PM Outlines Republic Journey For Barbados]'': |
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“There is no change to the flag. There is no change to the name of Independence Day; there is no change to the name of Barbados. Barbados is Barbados. We’re not the Commonwealth of Barbados; we’re not the Republic of Barbados; Barbados is Barbados. We are also not changing our pledge,” the Prime Minister stated. |
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::: That's from gisbarbados.gov.bb (Barbados Government Information Service) <b>[[User:Ohnoitsjamie|OhNo<span style="color: #D47C14;">itsJamie</span>]] [[User talk:Ohnoitsjamie|<sup>Talk</sup>]]</b> 19:49, 30 November 2021 (UTC) |
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::: Reading the Constitutional Amendment<ref>https://www.barbadosparliament.com/uploads/bill_resolution/56f53e308108b4b315d1b367c2914f7a.pdf</ref>, the Title is Officially just "The President of Barbados" [[User:WanukeX|WanukeX]] ([[User talk:WanukeX|talk]]) 03:03, 1 December 2021 (UTC) |
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::::The Constitutional Amendment is conclusive as to what the country calls itself. It refers to the "President of Barbados", the "Parliament of Barbados" and "the Constitution and supreme law of Barbados", as well as providing that in the Amendment "'State' means Barbados". [[User:Errantius|Errantius]] ([[User talk:Errantius|talk]]) 12:52, 3 December 2021 (UTC) |
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== Phonemic vs. phonetic brackets == |
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In the paragraph "Etymology" it says in the third section: |
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"the Igbo phoneme [e] in the Igbo orthography is very close to /ɪ/." |
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Surely, the brackets should be swapped here. Phonemes are always put in phonemic brackets, i.e. /.../, whereas phones (speech sounds) should use phonetic brackets, i.e. [...]. The section should say: |
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"the Igbo phoneme /e/ in the Igbo orthography is very close to [ɪ]." |
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Can someone fix this? --[[User:Thathánka Íyotake|Thathánka Íyotake]] ([[User talk:Thathánka Íyotake|talk]]) 12:16, 30 November 2021 (UTC) |
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: That rendering is a function of the <nowiki>{{IPAc-en}}</nowiki> template. <b>[[User:Ohnoitsjamie|OhNo<span style="color: #D47C14;">itsJamie</span>]] [[User talk:Ohnoitsjamie|<sup>Talk</sup>]]</b> 20:15, 30 November 2021 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 30 November 2021 == |
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Republic of Barbados [[Special:Contributions/64.119.192.20|64.119.192.20]] ([[User talk:64.119.192.20|talk]]) 19:43, 30 November 2021 (UTC) |
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: Unless you can provider a source that the name has changed, {{not done}}. <b>[[User:Ohnoitsjamie|OhNo<span style="color: #D47C14;">itsJamie</span>]] [[User talk:Ohnoitsjamie|<sup>Talk</sup>]]</b> 19:45, 30 November 2021 (UTC) |
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== Proposed Page: Barbados (1966–2021). == |
== Proposed Page: Barbados (1966–2021). == |
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Now that Barbados has become a republic, would it not make sense to create the page [[Barbados (1966–2021)]] similar to the [[Mauritius (1968–1992)]] page. --[[User:Kappasi|Kappasi]] ([[User talk:Kappasi|talk]]) 12:06, 1 December 2021 (UTC) |
Now that Barbados has become a republic, would it not make sense to create the page [[Barbados (1966–2021)]] similar to the [[Mauritius (1968–1992)]] page. --[[User:Kappasi|Kappasi]] ([[User talk:Kappasi|talk]]) 12:06, 1 December 2021 (UTC) |
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:Yes. [[User:J 1982|J 1982]] ([[User talk:J 1982|talk]]) 17:36, 1 December 2021 (UTC) |
:Yes. [[User:J 1982|J 1982]] ([[User talk:J 1982|talk]]) 17:36, 1 December 2021 (UTC) |
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:No, and that article quite frankly seems to have no utility. While the change is of great ceremonial importance, it has little effect on Barbados, Barbadians, and their political system. [[User:Cristiano Tomás|Cristiano Tomás]] ([[User talk:Cristiano Tomás|talk]]) 21:08, 3 December 2021 (UTC) |
:No, and that article quite frankly seems to have no utility. While the change is of great ceremonial importance, it has little effect on Barbados, Barbadians, and their political system. [[User:Cristiano Tomás|Cristiano Tomás]] ([[User talk:Cristiano Tomás|talk]]) 21:08, 3 December 2021 (UTC) |
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::Agreed. There's nothing much that would be added to it (as it is just a passing footnote) and it doesn't require duplicate articles that are about 95% the same (just because). [[User:CaribDigita|CaribDigita]] ([[User talk:CaribDigita|talk]]) 16:29, 27 April 2023 (UTC) |
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:::They were already an independent country and also calling it the "world's newest republic" is very offensive and demeaning! [[Special:Contributions/2601:49:8400:20F0:3D4D:DFBD:1ED2:3BD3|2601:49:8400:20F0:3D4D:DFBD:1ED2:3BD3]] ([[User talk:2601:49:8400:20F0:3D4D:DFBD:1ED2:3BD3|talk]]) 18:31, 24 May 2024 (UTC) |
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: [[Special:Contributions/2601:49:8400:20F0:3D4D:DFBD:1ED2:3BD3|2601:49:8400:20F0:3D4D:DFBD:1ED2:3BD3]] ([[User talk:2601:49:8400:20F0:3D4D:DFBD:1ED2:3BD3|talk]]) 18:30, 24 May 2024 (UTC) |
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== Barbados is Not the World's Newest Republic! == |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 2 December 2021 == |
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Republic of Barbados [[Special:Contributions/64.119.192.8|64.119.192.8]] ([[User talk:64.119.192.8|talk]]) 04:54, 2 December 2021 (UTC) |
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:[[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable source]] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> '''[[User:ClaudineChionh|ClaudineChionh]]''' (''[[User talk:ClaudineChionh|talk]]'' – [[Special:Contributions/ClaudineChionh|contribs]]) 05:04, 2 December 2021 (UTC) |
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Technically, calling Barbados the "world's newest republic" is a misnomer because Barbados was already an independent nation before becoming a republic in 2021. However, some may use this phrase to emphasize the recent change in its political structure and highlight its newfound sovereignty without any symbolic ties to the British monarchy. While the terminology might not be entirely accurate, it reflects the significance of Barbados's transition to a republic. [[Special:Contributions/2601:49:8400:20F0:3D4D:DFBD:1ED2:3BD3|2601:49:8400:20F0:3D4D:DFBD:1ED2:3BD3]] ([[User talk:2601:49:8400:20F0:3D4D:DFBD:1ED2:3BD3|talk]]) 18:17, 24 May 2024 (UTC) |
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== The CIA World Factbook Updated Entry For Barbados == |
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According to the updated entry for Barbados on the CIA World Fact Book (See [https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/barbados/#government here]) It stated that the Barbados government type is "Parliamentary Republic; a Commonwealth Realm" whereas Wikipedia show it as a "Unitary parliamentary constitutional republic". Before I edit the page and start a s**t storm of anger and edit wars I wanted to discuss it first on the talk page. Seems to me that the Central Intelligence Agency is a reliable source about foreign governments and that using their entry from the World Factbook in the Wikipedia Barbados InfoBox under Government would be prudent. What does everyone else think. [[User:YborCityJohn|YborCityJohn]] ([[User talk:YborCityJohn|talk]]) 06:01, 3 December 2021 (UTC) |
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:Referring to Barbados as the "world's newest republic" can be seen as disingenuous or sensationalized because it oversimplifies the country's history and political development by focusing solely on the recent transition to a republic, it ignores the fact that Barbados has been an independent nation since 1966. This kind of sensationalized language may create a false impression that Barbados was not truly independent before 2021, which is inaccurate and very offensive to the people who live there. |
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::* Your mind and mine are of the same. I've brought it up too. The CIA World Factbook profiles of each country were the original source for government profiles going back to the founding on Wikipedia in the early 2000s. It was the basis for almost all country profiles on Wikipedia. Overtime the Wikipedia country articles have gotten edited to include differing [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view]]. I have similarly highlighted that the term remains "Original Research" because no profile page anywhere (referenced) at this time says "Barbados is a _Unitary, x.y.z., cat, dog, racoon, etc., whatever you want to call it _". It is just 'assumed' that if Barbados doesn't fit other criteria then it must fall under 'that' but that is the very nature of original research which WP tries to stay away from. I am in full agreement with you. |
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:Moreover, it overlooks the complexities of Barbados and its relationship with the British monarchy and the careful deliberations and decision-making processes that led to the transition to a republic. Such sensationalized language may serve to grab attention or create a narrative of novelty without providing a nuanced understanding of Barbados and its political evolution. |
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::If you goto that actual [[Unitary state|term]]. I've to find as many references as I could of actual pages which says "this country is unitary_blank". So it is absolving wikipedia of being the classifier as currently. Someone put one for Barbados there, but it still doesn't say that for Barbados. But I've left it alone for now. [[User:CaribDigita|CaribDigita]] ([[User talk:CaribDigita|talk]]) 06:48, 3 December 2021 (UTC) |
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:In summary, while calling Barbados the "world's newest republic" may draw attention to recent changes in its political structure, it can be misleading and fails to capture the full context of Barbados's history as an independent nation. [[Special:Contributions/2601:49:8400:20F0:3D4D:DFBD:1ED2:3BD3|2601:49:8400:20F0:3D4D:DFBD:1ED2:3BD3]] ([[User talk:2601:49:8400:20F0:3D4D:DFBD:1ED2:3BD3|talk]]) 18:21, 24 May 2024 (UTC) |
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== Calling Barbados the "World's Newest Republic" is Offensive == |
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==Paragraph suggesting that the majority of the nation was not in favor of becoming a republic== |
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I've noted my objections [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Barbados&type=revision&diff=1064368929&oldid=1064368132 here] to this content; the "poll" makes no claims to being statistically sound in terms of sampling, and the additional content makes claims that are not supported in the supplied source (that the PM "refused" to hold referendums). <b>[[User:Ohnoitsjamie|OhNo<span style="color: #D47C14;">itsJamie</span>]] [[User talk:Ohnoitsjamie|<sup>Talk</sup>]]</b> 01:47, 8 January 2022 (UTC) |
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[[Special:Contributions/2601:49:8400:20F0:3D4D:DFBD:1ED2:3BD3|2601:49:8400:20F0:3D4D:DFBD:1ED2:3BD3]] ([[User talk:2601:49:8400:20F0:3D4D:DFBD:1ED2:3BD3|talk]]) 18:28, 24 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:The first part is a Facebook poll, which clearly isn't a reliable source. The second isn't an accurate representation of the source material - it isn't just on-sided (the source gives two sides of the referendum issue) it makes even stronger claims that the source does ("refused") and does so in Wikipedia's voice. I don't think the Daily Express is a great source anyway - it has a clear agenda that would probably be at odds with the "insult" of demoting the queen. [[User:Guettarda|Guettarda]] ([[User talk:Guettarda|talk]]) 04:11, 8 January 2022 (UTC) |
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:Describing Barbados as the "world's newest republic" in a sensationalized or exaggerated manner can be offensive because it diminishes the country's history, sovereignty, and the agency of its people by implying that Barbados was not truly independent until it became a republic in 2021, this language undermines the struggles and achievements of the Barbadian people since gaining independence in 1966. |
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:Definitely think that poll was misleading. I removed it because online polls are not a reliable source and it presented a misleading picture of public opinion. [[User:Desertambition|Desertambition]] ([[User talk:Desertambition|talk]]) 04:30, 8 January 2022 (UTC) |
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:Such terminology can be perceived as disrespectful to the Barbadian nation and its citizens, as it suggests that their previous status as an independent Commonwealth realm was somehow incomplete or insufficient also disregarding the decades of self-governance, nation-building, and contributions to the global community that Barbados has made since gaining independence. |
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:Furthermore, it may perpetuate colonialist attitudes by framing the transition to a republic as the ultimate validation of Barbados's sovereignty, as if it needed external approval or recognition to be considered truly independent. This narrative ignores the agency and autonomy of the Barbadian people in shaping their destiny and reinforces a hierarchy that places Western ideals and structures above those of other nations. |
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:In essence, using sensationalized or exaggerated language to describe Barbados and its transition to a republic can be offensive because it diminishes the country's history and sovereignty while perpetuating colonialist attitudes and undermining the agency of its people and it is important to approach discussions about Barbados and its political evolution with sensitivity, respect, and an understanding of its rich and complex history. [[Special:Contributions/2601:49:8400:20F0:3D4D:DFBD:1ED2:3BD3|2601:49:8400:20F0:3D4D:DFBD:1ED2:3BD3]] ([[User talk:2601:49:8400:20F0:3D4D:DFBD:1ED2:3BD3|talk]]) 18:28, 24 May 2024 (UTC) |
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::I suppose if you don't see Barbados as the world's newest republic, you don't have to call it that? The only mention that I see of it being the world's newest republic is from a reference to a news source. Anyways, I don't see how this is related to the article? [[User:7s3s|7s3s]] ([[User talk:7s3s|talk]]) 02:03, 26 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:So is there a consensus to remove the problematic parts of that paragraph? A User keeps reverting it. [[User:Gemini.skywalker]] 8:56, 15 January 2022 (UTC) |
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:: Yes, I'd say there is a consensus. I searched for news stories about polling around time time of the transition; I was unable to find anything that suggested that the majority of the population was opposed to it, though one article did mention that the majority of the correspondents were "indifferent," or were unclear on how the change would impact them. [https://barbadostoday.bb/2021/12/21/survey-shows-support-for-republic/]. In any case, this article should summarize the transition to a republic concisely; we have a separate article [[Republicanism in Barbados]] that goes into greater detail. <b>[[User:Ohnoitsjamie|OhNo<span style="color: #D47C14;">itsJamie</span>]] [[User talk:Ohnoitsjamie|<sup>Talk</sup>]]</b> 17:50, 16 January 2022 (UTC) |
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::Well I removed the paragraphs. I wasnt sure if to keep the UWI poll too for the sake of brevity but unlike the Facebook poll, It was more academic so I left that. I also removed the paragraph sourcing The Express as its clearly biased and not very reliable. [[User:Gemini.skywalker]] 7:27, 16 January 2022 (UTC) |
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== Ongoing Effort to Undermine Barbados's Transition to Republic == |
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add citation from https://brams.ge/index.php/research/countries/barbados to "In 1519, a map produced by the Genoese mapmaker Visconte Maggiolo showed and named Barbados in its correct position.[citation needed]" in Etymology section [[User:OulisFR|OulisFR]] ([[User talk:OulisFR|talk]]) 10:58, 16 August 2024 (UTC) |
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:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> The site you linked to is not a [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] since it appears to be a copy of Wikipedia (look at any country [https://brams.ge/index.php/research/countries here] and compare that to the country's Wikipedia article). See [[Circular reporting]]. [[User:Kovcszaln6|Kovcszaln6]] ([[User talk:Kovcszaln6|talk]]) 13:46, 16 August 2024 (UTC) |
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Just wanted to leave this deep dive into the history of republicanism in Barbados from University College London: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fTUZ7WmH40 |
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The transition to republic has overwhelming public support and it is not true that any significant portion of the population opposed the move. Just thought it should be noted for future edits. |
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Hello. I wanted to point out some sections in this article, like "Art" and "Culture", are ChatGPT text and might not qualify as encyclopedic content, essentially because it's only focused on vague statements and doesn't actually provide any relevant information or examples about the art in Barbados. [[Special:Contributions/95.18.76.205|95.18.76.205]] ([[User talk:95.18.76.205|talk]]) 02:14, 2 September 2024 (UTC) |
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== Yea == |
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:I am an IP editor, so I can't edit it myself. [[Special:Contributions/95.18.76.205|95.18.76.205]] ([[User talk:95.18.76.205|talk]]) 02:14, 2 September 2024 (UTC) |
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Proposed Page: Barbados (1966–2021).
[edit]Now that Barbados has become a republic, would it not make sense to create the page Barbados (1966–2021) similar to the Mauritius (1968–1992) page. --Kappasi (talk) 12:06, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
- Yes. J 1982 (talk) 17:36, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
- No, and that article quite frankly seems to have no utility. While the change is of great ceremonial importance, it has little effect on Barbados, Barbadians, and their political system. Cristiano Tomás (talk) 21:08, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
- Agreed. There's nothing much that would be added to it (as it is just a passing footnote) and it doesn't require duplicate articles that are about 95% the same (just because). CaribDigita (talk) 16:29, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- They were already an independent country and also calling it the "world's newest republic" is very offensive and demeaning! 2601:49:8400:20F0:3D4D:DFBD:1ED2:3BD3 (talk) 18:31, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed. There's nothing much that would be added to it (as it is just a passing footnote) and it doesn't require duplicate articles that are about 95% the same (just because). CaribDigita (talk) 16:29, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- 2601:49:8400:20F0:3D4D:DFBD:1ED2:3BD3 (talk) 18:30, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Barbados is Not the World's Newest Republic!
[edit]Technically, calling Barbados the "world's newest republic" is a misnomer because Barbados was already an independent nation before becoming a republic in 2021. However, some may use this phrase to emphasize the recent change in its political structure and highlight its newfound sovereignty without any symbolic ties to the British monarchy. While the terminology might not be entirely accurate, it reflects the significance of Barbados's transition to a republic. 2601:49:8400:20F0:3D4D:DFBD:1ED2:3BD3 (talk) 18:17, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Referring to Barbados as the "world's newest republic" can be seen as disingenuous or sensationalized because it oversimplifies the country's history and political development by focusing solely on the recent transition to a republic, it ignores the fact that Barbados has been an independent nation since 1966. This kind of sensationalized language may create a false impression that Barbados was not truly independent before 2021, which is inaccurate and very offensive to the people who live there.
- Moreover, it overlooks the complexities of Barbados and its relationship with the British monarchy and the careful deliberations and decision-making processes that led to the transition to a republic. Such sensationalized language may serve to grab attention or create a narrative of novelty without providing a nuanced understanding of Barbados and its political evolution.
- In summary, while calling Barbados the "world's newest republic" may draw attention to recent changes in its political structure, it can be misleading and fails to capture the full context of Barbados's history as an independent nation. 2601:49:8400:20F0:3D4D:DFBD:1ED2:3BD3 (talk) 18:21, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Calling Barbados the "World's Newest Republic" is Offensive
[edit]2601:49:8400:20F0:3D4D:DFBD:1ED2:3BD3 (talk) 18:28, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Describing Barbados as the "world's newest republic" in a sensationalized or exaggerated manner can be offensive because it diminishes the country's history, sovereignty, and the agency of its people by implying that Barbados was not truly independent until it became a republic in 2021, this language undermines the struggles and achievements of the Barbadian people since gaining independence in 1966.
- Such terminology can be perceived as disrespectful to the Barbadian nation and its citizens, as it suggests that their previous status as an independent Commonwealth realm was somehow incomplete or insufficient also disregarding the decades of self-governance, nation-building, and contributions to the global community that Barbados has made since gaining independence.
- Furthermore, it may perpetuate colonialist attitudes by framing the transition to a republic as the ultimate validation of Barbados's sovereignty, as if it needed external approval or recognition to be considered truly independent. This narrative ignores the agency and autonomy of the Barbadian people in shaping their destiny and reinforces a hierarchy that places Western ideals and structures above those of other nations.
- In essence, using sensationalized or exaggerated language to describe Barbados and its transition to a republic can be offensive because it diminishes the country's history and sovereignty while perpetuating colonialist attitudes and undermining the agency of its people and it is important to approach discussions about Barbados and its political evolution with sensitivity, respect, and an understanding of its rich and complex history. 2601:49:8400:20F0:3D4D:DFBD:1ED2:3BD3 (talk) 18:28, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- I suppose if you don't see Barbados as the world's newest republic, you don't have to call it that? The only mention that I see of it being the world's newest republic is from a reference to a news source. Anyways, I don't see how this is related to the article? 7s3s (talk) 02:03, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
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add citation from https://brams.ge/index.php/research/countries/barbados to "In 1519, a map produced by the Genoese mapmaker Visconte Maggiolo showed and named Barbados in its correct position.[citation needed]" in Etymology section OulisFR (talk) 10:58, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: The site you linked to is not a reliable sources since it appears to be a copy of Wikipedia (look at any country here and compare that to the country's Wikipedia article). See Circular reporting. Kovcszaln6 (talk) 13:46, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
AI-generated text on the "Culture" sections
[edit]Hello. I wanted to point out some sections in this article, like "Art" and "Culture", are ChatGPT text and might not qualify as encyclopedic content, essentially because it's only focused on vague statements and doesn't actually provide any relevant information or examples about the art in Barbados. 95.18.76.205 (talk) 02:14, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- I am an IP editor, so I can't edit it myself. 95.18.76.205 (talk) 02:14, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
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