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== Room 222 Walt Whitman High School ==
==Internal link to Mary Berenson==
The article mentions "Mary Smith Whitall Costelloe"; this ought actually to be "Mary Whitall Smith Costelloe", she being born "Mary Whitall Smith", daughter of Logan Pearsall Smith and Hannah Whitall Smith (as her own article indicates). Search results- including the Whitman Archive- only bring up the latter, with nothing for "Mary Smith Whitall Costelloe". She was apparently at any rate better known as "Mary Berenson", per the title of her article, but either way an internal link could usefully be added to this article. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/78.144.66.120|78.144.66.120]] ([[User talk:78.144.66.120#top|talk]]) 14:58, 26 May 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Thank you so much for this comment. How certain are we that this is the same person? I can easily make that update and link if appropriate to do so. --[[User:Midnightdreary|Midnightdreary]] ([[User talk:Midnightdreary|talk]]) 17:42, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
::Hello, just reading this article and wondered about this person, and saw this posting; these sources seem pretty definitive:
https://whitmanarchive.org/criticism/current/encyclopedia/entry_86.html
https://ir.uiowa.edu/wwqr/vol17/iss3/2/
https://whitman-prod.unl.edu/biography/correspondence/tei/loc.01344.html
https://itatti.harvard.edu/mary-berenson
The Harvard site seems the most helpful in bringing it all together (her birth name/ parents, married name, friendship with Whitman). Also I guess the first commenter meant she was daughter of "ROBERT" Pearsall Smith (his son was Logan), as Mary Berenson's article here says that, with sources. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/78.144.75.151|78.144.75.151]] ([[User talk:78.144.75.151#top|talk]]) 15:11, 19 September 2020 (UTC)</small>


Could somebody please add under “Film and Television” that the TV show “Room 222” (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_222) was set in Walt Whitman High School? [[Special:Contributions/2607:FEA8:3F00:3B:3484:FC76:341F:8BE1|2607:FEA8:3F00:3B:3484:FC76:341F:8BE1]] ([[User talk:2607:FEA8:3F00:3B:3484:FC76:341F:8BE1|talk]]) 00:21, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
== Semi-protected edit request on 6 October 2020 ==
:Sounds very trivial; two steps removed from the main subject of this article. See [[WP:CRUFT]]. --[[User:Midnightdreary|Midnightdreary]] ([[User talk:Midnightdreary|talk]]) 11:27, 11 June 2022 (UTC)


== Unprotection? ==
{{edit semi-protected|Walt Whitman|answered=yes}}
Add one or more quotes to Slavery section, as the section as it stands does not sufficiently characterize recent scholarship on Whitman's racism and the profound questions it raises about Whitman's legacy.


Yesterday, someone made a really bad unprotection request for this article at [[WP:RFPP]]. I rejected it out of hand. Then, I came to look and noticed that this page was semi-protected indefinitely 11 years ago. {{u|Courcelles}}, the admin who protected the page back then, isn't presently active. If any regular editors/watchers of this page are okay with it, I'll test out unprotection for this page. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 15:49, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
Whitman wrote in 1858 in the article ''Prohibition of Colored Persons'', "Who believes that the Whites and Blacks can ever amalgamate in America? Or who wishes it to happen? Nature has set an impassable seal against it. Besides, is not America for the Whites? And is it not better so?"
:We can try it and I'll be watching, as I'm sure others will be too. --[[User:Midnightdreary|Midnightdreary]] ([[User talk:Midnightdreary|talk]]) 23:09, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
::[[File:Pictogram voting keep.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Unprotected'''<!-- Template:RFPP#unpr --> Let's try it out. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 22:04, 7 August 2022 (UTC)


== Was Whitman present at John Brown's execution? ==
Source: Noverr, Douglas A., et al. Walt Whitman's Selected Journalism. United States, University of Iowa Press, 2015, pg. 52.


One article ([[Virginia v. John Brown#Spectators]]) says he was present, and another ([[John Brown's raid on Harpers Ferry]]) that he was not. I'm hoping someone knows or can easily find out which is right. [[User:Deisenbe|deisenbe]] ([[User talk:Deisenbe|talk]]) 13:02, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
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:I would expect to see it in [https://archive.org/details/whitmanchronolog0000krie/page/38/mode/2up A Whitman Chronology] if he was, in fact, there, and it is not. Same with [https://muse.jhu.edu/article/510154 this article]. He describes the execution in the poem "Year of Meteors" [https://www.google.com/books/edition/Text_Presentation_2019/cT3VDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=walt+whitman+at+john+brown%27s+execution&pg=PA52&printsec=frontcover], but [[Walt Whitman's lectures on Abraham Lincoln|has been known to present famous events as if he was there, even if he was not]]. [[User:Eddie891|Eddie891]] <small>''<sup> [[User talk:Eddie891|Talk]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Eddie891|Work]]</sub>'' </small> 13:37, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
As Whitman wrote during Reconstruction, "As if we had not strained the voting and digestive caliber of American Democracy to the utmost for the last fifty years with the millions of ignorant foreigners, we have now infused a powerful percentage of blacks, with about as much intellect and calibre (in the mass) as so many baboons."
:[https://iwp.uiowa.edu/whitmanweb/en/writings/civil-war/week-4/year-of-meteors "The speaker of Whitman’s poem imagines himself present at Brown’s hanging"] holds the implication that Whitman was not actually there. [[User:Eddie891|Eddie891]] <small>''<sup> [[User talk:Eddie891|Talk]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Eddie891|Work]]</sub>'' </small> 13:49, 24 March 2023 (UTC)


== Reorganization of article ==
Source: Reynolds, David S. Walt Whitman's America: A Cultural Biography. Vintage, 1996. pg. 470. [[User:Otaverse|Otaverse]] ([[User talk:Otaverse|talk]]) 16:56, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


Hello! I wanted to see if we can come to consensus on the recent reorganization of the article. Previously, it had been written chronologically, as are most of the articles I've seen on authors. Now, it seems like several sections (i.e. components of his beliefs, etc.) are spliced. To me, it looks like the subsection on "Health decline and death" will be about his beliefs regarding declining health and death. Additionally, the article is guilty of [[WP:OVERLINK|overlinking]] -- Camden, New Jersey is apparently now linked six times. More importantly, I think for such a substantive reorganization of an article that has been recognized as a Good Article, we should have some conversation to come to consensus. Any thoughts? --[[User:Midnightdreary|Midnightdreary]] ([[User talk:Midnightdreary|talk]]) 23:55, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
:{{Not done}}. Bare quotes from the subject of the article without any secondary commentary generally aren't helpful. &ndash;[[User:Deacon Vorbis|Deacon Vorbis]]&nbsp;([[User Talk:Deacon Vorbis|carbon]]&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Deacon Vorbis|videos]]) 19:55, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
::For what it's worth, I believe these are worthwhile additions. The context is already provided in the article in its current state; this is merely complementary material. --[[User:Midnightdreary|Midnightdreary]] ([[User talk:Midnightdreary|talk]]) 20:20, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
:I also see this editor misrepresented the editor Samuel E. Clements as Mark Twain, though they are certainly not the same person. These edits are suspect to me now. --[[User:Midnightdreary|Midnightdreary]] ([[User talk:Midnightdreary|talk]]) 13:41, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
:I think the original organization makes more sense, especially about the movement of 'health decline and death' (ie it should be moved back) [[User:Eddie891|Eddie891]] <small>''<sup> [[User talk:Eddie891|Talk]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Eddie891|Work]]</sub>'' </small> 14:10, 27 March 2023 (UTC)


== [[Brooklyn Apprentices' Library]] ==
== reference to his "nickname" but no statement of it ==


Just created an article on this library. Whitman witnessed [[Lafayette]] place the cornerstone to the library when he was six years old and later wrote about it 60 years later in "Lafayette in Brooklyn". (see article) He also later worked as a librarian at that library.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 15:54, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
Under the subhead "Civil War Years," toward the end of the 4th paragraph is a reference to the establishment of Whitman's "nickname," but it's not stated anywhere in the article. Looking elsewhere I found: "Bard of Democracy" (also found in the article end notes under "Exhibitions").
Here is the sentence that could be improved by adding, "Bard of Democracy" after "nickname": The fifty-cent pamphlet defended Whitman as a wholesome patriot, established the poet's nickname and increased his popularity.[89]. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.178.181.214|76.178.181.214]] ([[User talk:76.178.181.214#top|talk]]) 21:26, 20 November 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:In the preceding sentence, it mentions it: "The Good Gray Poet." --[[User:Midnightdreary|Midnightdreary]] ([[User talk:Midnightdreary|talk]]) 21:30, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

==Whitman's parents==
Although the article makes some reference to Whitman being raised in less than affluent circumstances, oddly no mention is made of his parents' occupations; virtually all biographical sources state that Walter Whitman was a carpenter and house-builder, who at one point tried farming. Given virtually all biographical articles seem to mention such details, it seems like a somewhat surprising omission here.
:Good luck adding this information! Just remember to [[WP:CITE|cite]] properly using [[WP:RS|reliable sources]]. --[[User:Midnightdreary|Midnightdreary]] ([[User talk:Midnightdreary|talk]]) 22:24, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

== Room 222 Walt Whitman High School ==

Could somebody please add under “Film and Television” that the TV show “Room 222” (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_222) was set in Walt Whitman High School? [[Special:Contributions/2607:FEA8:3F00:3B:3484:FC76:341F:8BE1|2607:FEA8:3F00:3B:3484:FC76:341F:8BE1]] ([[User talk:2607:FEA8:3F00:3B:3484:FC76:341F:8BE1|talk]]) 00:21, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
:Sounds very trivial; two steps removed from the main subject of this article. See [[WP:CRUFT]]. --[[User:Midnightdreary|Midnightdreary]] ([[User talk:Midnightdreary|talk]]) 11:27, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

== Unprotection? ==

Yesterday, someone made a really bad unprotection request for this article at [[WP:RFPP]]. I rejected it out of hand. Then, I came to look and noticed that this page was semi-protected indefinitely 11 years ago. {{u|Courcelles}}, the admin who protected the page back then, isn't presently active. If any regular editors/watchers of this page are okay with it, I'll test out unprotection for this page. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 15:49, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 03:53, 20 October 2024

Good articleWalt Whitman has been listed as one of the Language and literature good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
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February 13, 2008Good article nomineeListed
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On this day...Facts from this article were featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "On this day..." column on May 31, 2017, and May 31, 2019.
Current status: Good article

Room 222 Walt Whitman High School

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Could somebody please add under “Film and Television” that the TV show “Room 222” (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_222) was set in Walt Whitman High School? 2607:FEA8:3F00:3B:3484:FC76:341F:8BE1 (talk) 00:21, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds very trivial; two steps removed from the main subject of this article. See WP:CRUFT. --Midnightdreary (talk) 11:27, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Unprotection?

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Yesterday, someone made a really bad unprotection request for this article at WP:RFPP. I rejected it out of hand. Then, I came to look and noticed that this page was semi-protected indefinitely 11 years ago. Courcelles, the admin who protected the page back then, isn't presently active. If any regular editors/watchers of this page are okay with it, I'll test out unprotection for this page. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:49, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We can try it and I'll be watching, as I'm sure others will be too. --Midnightdreary (talk) 23:09, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Unprotected Let's try it out. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:04, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Was Whitman present at John Brown's execution?

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One article (Virginia v. John Brown#Spectators) says he was present, and another (John Brown's raid on Harpers Ferry) that he was not. I'm hoping someone knows or can easily find out which is right. deisenbe (talk) 13:02, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would expect to see it in A Whitman Chronology if he was, in fact, there, and it is not. Same with this article. He describes the execution in the poem "Year of Meteors" [1], but has been known to present famous events as if he was there, even if he was not. Eddie891 Talk Work 13:37, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"The speaker of Whitman’s poem imagines himself present at Brown’s hanging" holds the implication that Whitman was not actually there. Eddie891 Talk Work 13:49, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reorganization of article

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Hello! I wanted to see if we can come to consensus on the recent reorganization of the article. Previously, it had been written chronologically, as are most of the articles I've seen on authors. Now, it seems like several sections (i.e. components of his beliefs, etc.) are spliced. To me, it looks like the subsection on "Health decline and death" will be about his beliefs regarding declining health and death. Additionally, the article is guilty of overlinking -- Camden, New Jersey is apparently now linked six times. More importantly, I think for such a substantive reorganization of an article that has been recognized as a Good Article, we should have some conversation to come to consensus. Any thoughts? --Midnightdreary (talk) 23:55, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I also see this editor misrepresented the editor Samuel E. Clements as Mark Twain, though they are certainly not the same person. These edits are suspect to me now. --Midnightdreary (talk) 13:41, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think the original organization makes more sense, especially about the movement of 'health decline and death' (ie it should be moved back) Eddie891 Talk Work 14:10, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just created an article on this library. Whitman witnessed Lafayette place the cornerstone to the library when he was six years old and later wrote about it 60 years later in "Lafayette in Brooklyn". (see article) He also later worked as a librarian at that library.4meter4 (talk) 15:54, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]