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== Citation style == |
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==First sentence== |
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Shouldn't the first sentence end with something like "... to establish a permanent English settlement in North America"? Otherwise an "English settlement" could be just about anywhere... |
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I propose switching the citation style to Sfn notes, which allow for citing different pages of the same work in separate citations, eliminating the need for the 'rp' template. I think the rp template, especially combined with the AMA style, makes the article hard to read, with unusual small parenthetical numbers between the regular footnotes and prose. [[User:UpdateNerd|UpdateNerd]] ([[User talk:UpdateNerd|talk]]) 11:41, 30 March 2022 (UTC) |
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--[[User:Aeonblue158|Aeonblue158]] ([[User talk:Aeonblue158|talk]]) 22:49, 18 August 2015 (UTC) |
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== Confusing summary == |
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I'm reading the summary in the intro paragraphs without having read the rest of the article, and I find it quite confusing. It's filled with bad forms like "while awaiting... Lane abandoned"; it omits crucial information (I assume ''everybody'' abandoned the colony in 1586, not just Lane, otherwise it's unclear why they had to build a whole new settlement later); and it's vague about roles and cause-effect relationships. For instance, the sentence "During a stop to check on Grenville's men, flagship pilot Simon Fernandes forced White and his colonists to remain on Roanoke." Why was Fernandes checking on Greenville's men, who were only mentioned in relation to the previous settlement? What Greenville's men were doing at that point? How did Fernandes force White and his colonists to remain on Roanoke? Does that mean that the ''circumstances'' forced them (in what way, though?), or that Fernandes gave them an explicit order? This whole concept is immediately contradicted by the following sentence anyway, which describes White going back to England with Fernandes. And what authority did Fernandes have? He's only described as "a flagship pilot", which is an obscure designation if not expanded upon (and it's not even hyperlinked). [[User:Kumagoro-42|Kumagoro-42]] ([[User talk:Kumagoro-42|talk]]) 05:27, 1 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:I tried reading the rest of the article, but gave up. Like the lead, it is a confusing mess. It seems to be simultaneously excessively detailed while also lacking critical context. [[User:CAVincent|CAVincent]] ([[User talk:CAVincent|talk]]) 08:50, 18 August 2023 (UTC) |
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== Confusing reference to geographical location == |
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This phrase: " at the site of the ancient Croatoan capital, 50 miles (80 km) from the old Roanoke colony", should have an indication of the actual location. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/78.221.18.82|78.221.18.82]] ([[User talk:78.221.18.82|talk]]) 14:24, 27 November 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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I'll leave it under construction for a week or so. Feel free to contribute! [[User:Steveprutz|StevePrutz]] ([[User talk:Steveprutz|talk]]) 14:50, 6 February 2024 (UTC) |
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“The colonists may have possessed the resources to construct another seaworthy vessel, using local lumber and spare parts from the pinnace. '''Considering the ships were built by survivors of the 1609 Sea Venture shipwreck,''' it is at least possible that the Lost Colonists could produce a second ship that, with the pinnace, could transport most of their party.” |
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== Colony Name? == |
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Roanoke is a native American word for white beads make from shell (origin- From Powhatan rawrenock "things rubbed smooth by hand")so using that word would be after the colony was already in place I would think. Did Elizabeth/Raleigh have a English name for the new colony or was it just formed and sent without one? It wouldn't be under the Virginia Company would it as that wasn't formed until James I was in power in 1603 (Jamestown 1607)? I do know the Virginia charter was vast ("sea to sea") and covered most of Carolina and overlapped the Plymouth charter founded later. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/96.126.193.15|96.126.193.15]] ([[User talk:96.126.193.15|talk]]) 16:29, 15 March 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Can someone explain how survivors of a shipwreck 20 years after the disappearance built anything having to do with the colony? [[User:PacificBoy|PacificBoy]] ([[User talk:PacificBoy|talk]]) 01:38, 30 May 2024 (UTC) |
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Reference #27 seems to no longer link to a paper or an article - It seems rather important, too. Does anyone know of other sources?--[[Special:Contributions/92.243.251.196|92.243.251.196]] ([[User talk:92.243.251.196|talk]]) 01:15, 30 April 2016 (UTC) |
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:updated with http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/9244947/Ancient-map-gives-clue-to-fate-of-Lost-Colony.html [[User:Meters|Meters]] ([[User talk:Meters|talk]]) 01:28, 30 April 2016 (UTC) |
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Citation style
[edit]I propose switching the citation style to Sfn notes, which allow for citing different pages of the same work in separate citations, eliminating the need for the 'rp' template. I think the rp template, especially combined with the AMA style, makes the article hard to read, with unusual small parenthetical numbers between the regular footnotes and prose. UpdateNerd (talk) 11:41, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
Confusing summary
[edit]I'm reading the summary in the intro paragraphs without having read the rest of the article, and I find it quite confusing. It's filled with bad forms like "while awaiting... Lane abandoned"; it omits crucial information (I assume everybody abandoned the colony in 1586, not just Lane, otherwise it's unclear why they had to build a whole new settlement later); and it's vague about roles and cause-effect relationships. For instance, the sentence "During a stop to check on Grenville's men, flagship pilot Simon Fernandes forced White and his colonists to remain on Roanoke." Why was Fernandes checking on Greenville's men, who were only mentioned in relation to the previous settlement? What Greenville's men were doing at that point? How did Fernandes force White and his colonists to remain on Roanoke? Does that mean that the circumstances forced them (in what way, though?), or that Fernandes gave them an explicit order? This whole concept is immediately contradicted by the following sentence anyway, which describes White going back to England with Fernandes. And what authority did Fernandes have? He's only described as "a flagship pilot", which is an obscure designation if not expanded upon (and it's not even hyperlinked). Kumagoro-42 (talk) 05:27, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- I tried reading the rest of the article, but gave up. Like the lead, it is a confusing mess. It seems to be simultaneously excessively detailed while also lacking critical context. CAVincent (talk) 08:50, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
Navbox
[edit]Hello! I've created a navbox to group the various topics surrounding the Roanoke Colony:
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I'll leave it under construction for a week or so. Feel free to contribute! StevePrutz (talk) 14:50, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 16 February 2024
[edit]Peaceful and Lovely ABig Garden full of normal…just normal…ok!
Huh?
[edit]“The colonists may have possessed the resources to construct another seaworthy vessel, using local lumber and spare parts from the pinnace. Considering the ships were built by survivors of the 1609 Sea Venture shipwreck, it is at least possible that the Lost Colonists could produce a second ship that, with the pinnace, could transport most of their party.”
Can someone explain how survivors of a shipwreck 20 years after the disappearance built anything having to do with the colony? PacificBoy (talk) 01:38, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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