Talk:The Wiggles

Semi-protected edit request on 25 February 2017

73.101.94.67 (talk) 14:01, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Line-ups

1999-2000	2000-2004	2004–2007
Josh Cobb – tenor Scott Fowler – lead, group owner Scott Howard – baritone Glenn Dustin – bass Roger Bennett – piano, vocals, group owner	Tony Jarman – tenor Scott Fowler – lead, group owner Scott Howard – baritone Glenn Dustin – bass Roger Bennett – piano, vocals, group owner	Frank Seamans – tenor Scott Fowler – lead, group owner Scott Howard – baritone Glenn Dustin – bass Roger Bennett – piano, vocals, group owner
2007-2009	2009–2011	2011-2012
Frank Seamans – tenor Scott Fowler – lead, group owner Scott Howard – baritone Glenn Dustin – bass Tim Parton – piano, vocals	Gus Gaches – tenor Scott Fowler – lead, group owner Scott Howard – baritone Glenn Dustin – bass Tim Parton – piano, vocals	Gus Gaches – tenor Scott Fowler – lead, group owner Scott Howard – baritone Glenn Dustin – bass Trey Ivey – piano, vocals
2012-2015	2015-present
Gus Gaches – tenor Scott Fowler – lead, group owner Scott Howard – baritone Matt Fouch – bass Trey Ivey – piano, vocals	Josh Feemster – tenor Scott Fowler – lead, group owner Scott Howard – baritone Matt Fouch – bass Trey Ivey – piano, vocals

 Not done this has nothing to do with The Wiggles. It is unsourced and involves a bunch of random singers copied from other places. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:06, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Possibly an early version of line-up table at Legacy Five, an American southern gospel group.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 18:12, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 November 2017

May i change the results of the 2017 Aria Awards as the awards have happened & the result hasn't been changed Le Beaglelution (talk) 09:41, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Dear Le Beaglelution, welcome to Wikipedia. Feel free to make these changes. Please note that due to vandalism the page is semi-protected. This means only editors with a few days experience can edit the page. In the mean time, if you wish to make changes to this page, feel free to suggest them on this talk page. Please state your request clearly and someone will make the changes for you. All the best, Taketa (talk) 09:57, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Discography?

Dear fellow editors,
I am leaving the present message out of courtesy to other editors interested in this article.
I was wondering why there isn't a Discography section and, after quickly browsing previous sections in this talk page, did not find an earlier discussion on the subject. I'd be interested in the views of other colleagues. Also, if there is consensus in favour of adding a Discography section, then we would probably also need a Filmography, which could be developed in the same effort. Thank you.
With kind regards;
Patrick. ツ Pdebee.^{(talk)(guestbook)} 14:14, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Speaking of their discography, is there a reason why the group has a habit of rerecording their early or back catalogue from scratch not to mention reshooting early videos, but unnecessarily? To me, it's just insulting and unnecessary and that they should just leave their back catalogue, especially the early albums, and their first four direct-to-video releases the way they are - this is just my opinion and TBH, I never approved of them reshooting their first four videos when there was nothing wrong with their original versions, let alone that of their early albums, nor did I ever approve of them rerecording their first album and underhandedly removing Phillip Wilcher's work without his knowledge, and they should be treated as historical artefacts as you have to start somewhere. I mean, The Beatles never wasted time rerecording their back catalogue (I'm not talking about early unreleased versions made prior to the final masters of certain songs) and you don't see Paul and Ringo rerecording every last Beatles song from scratch, because they obviously know damn well that it would be disrespectful to not just John and George, but their fans as well and the legacy of the band, recorded or otherwise. 61.69.217.3 (talk) 08:47, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Speaking as this article's main editor throughout the years, including a discography has been discussed; for example, during its second PR back in 2008. I said at the time that there was no list of The Wiggles recordings out there, perhaps because of their tendency to re-record past albums. (I suspect the re-recordings are about preserving their recordings, done when they went digital in 2011, although that's just my conjecture, since there's nothing out there to support it.) Despite not having a discography like most articles about significant bands, it was never an issue for its final FAC or its FAR in 2015. I said at the time of the before-mentioned PR that the article was linked to a discography list, and that it was enough, and I continue to feel the same way. Multiple reviewers over the years seem to agree. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 05:06, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 July 2018

any "in the order of" should be "of the order of" 2605:E000:9149:A600:AD5C:6551:85D8:948D (talk) 21:13, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

 Done (Specifically "Members of the Order of Australia". Please be more specific in your requests so editors don't need to hunt for the content.) General Ization ^Talk 21:19, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Emma/Lachy announced they broke up

Considering the wikipedia page has "they dated, they got married" it should include the line "they broke up" https://www.facebook.com/thewiggles/posts/10156814263922018 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.174.227.128 (talk) 15:07, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Clarification for ABC

There are a few places on the page where ABC is talked about but unlinked. Whilst as far as I know, they never worked with the American ABC, there are a few spots where they talk about American success and then in the next sentence mention working with the Australian ABC. I think this needs clarification because it’s likely that American audiences of this page are unlikely to have heard of the ABC in Aus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.193.147.22 (talk) 03:51, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Heart Attack during reunion performance

During the bushfire relief concert on Friday, 17 Jan 2020, Greg Page suffered a cardiac arrest and needed to be revived 3 times. Maybe someone should include that in the appropriate section. 2001:8003:4E77:D900:106E:6651:EE0A:E22A (talk) 02:40, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

 Done. WWGB (talk) 05:25, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

New Members

Hey everyone, with the announcement of the new members joining The Wiggles next month, I was wondering if it would be appropriate to add them to the Band Members section? Thanks in advance. ElijahThomBro (talk) 14:35, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Good question. I was thinking perhaps a subsection in the members section, like "Auxiliary Members" and include a note specifying the projects they feature in (i.e. "Fruit Salad TV" YouTube series)? SatDis (talk) 14:39, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

@ElijahThomBro: I've updated the page with how I envision the members being included. What do you think? SatDis (talk) 08:05, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

@SatDis: Looks good to me, thanks :) ElijahThomBro (talk) 12:04, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Order of band members and timeline

The expected order for band members lists and timeline should be order of joining, and when the time of joining is the same for multiple members, alphabetical order by surname:

• Murray Cook – Red Wiggle (1991–2012)
• Jeff Fatt – Purple Wiggle (1991–2012)
• Anthony Field - Blue Wiggle (1991–present)
• Greg Page – Yellow Wiggle (1991–2006, 2012)
• Phillip Wilcher (1991–1992)
• Sam Moran – Yellow Wiggle (2006–2012)
• Lachlan Gillespie – Purple Wiggle (2013–present)
• Simon Pryce – Red Wiggle (2013–present)
• Emma Watkins – Yellow Wiggle (2013–2021) - Watkins will be moved to "former members" section at the end of 2021.
• Tsehay Hawkins - Yellow Wiggle (2022) - Hawkins will be added to "current members" in 2022.

Please discuss here. SatDis (talk) 10:27, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 January 2022

The filming shots that have been released (for example on Anthony Field's instagram page) show that Caterina Mete, the Wiggles' long-time choreographer and wiggly dancer, is now the second Red Wiggle. She should be added as a Red Wiggle for the "expanded cast." After the portion/footnotes showing that Tsehay initially was the Fruit Salad TV red wiggle before becoming the main cast yellow wiggle, the article should then describe that Tsehay's promotion following Emma's departure meant that there was not a second Red Wiggle, which led to Caterina's promotion. Also the chart showing the cast should potentially be updated. Zjstackhouse (talk) 19:33, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:37, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Do not add this information until it is officially announced with a reliable source. SatDis (talk) 21:09, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Condensing "Members" section

As it stands, I believe the current Members section to be too convoluted – especially with the "Additional Members" placed beneath the timeline. As with my edit here, I think it should be reduced to four sections, in order: Current members, Current additional members, Former members and Former additional members. This is generally how most bands' members sections are kept on other Wikipedia pages, although these are "touring musicians" rather than "additional members" – essentially the same thing. I think it makes the most sense to include all former Wiggles in the "Former members" section. SatDis requested I post about it in the Talk section, which is why I'm here now. Thanks! David — Preceding undated comment added 04:45, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

I think you've done a good job with this. However, I just have a couple of problems/questions - the timeline only refers to the full members so should the supporting members still be above the timeline? I also feel like there really should be an original members section. And my only other concern is the two members who swapped colours, it looks a little messy and confusing; that's why I opted for the notes initially. How can we fix these issues. Let's use below as a working draft. Thanks. SatDis (talk) 08:24, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

RE: supporting members, they do not need to be in the timeline to be listed alongside the other members. Take a look at any other band's timeline and it's a similar story. The same with multiple roles - for example, if a musician in a band used to be the bass player but changed over to guitar, it would read:

* Band Member – guitar (Starting year–present), bass (Starting year–Ending Year)

The notes are a handy additional explanation, I think they should definitely be kept.

There is also no point of having an "Original Members" section – the timeline shows you who the original members are, and no other bands have this section in their Members section. David — Preceding undated comment added 01:49, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

It feels better to know there are other pages adopting this strategy. Since the Wiggles is a Featured Article, can you please provide the links below to these other band pages with similar styles - preferably Featured Articles themselves. Then we can model this section on those. Thanks. SatDis (talk) 09:27, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

I just checked the featured articles of bands, and Alice in Chains was probably the best example I could find of both instances I mentioned. David — Preceding undated comment added 03:48, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

@Jane, His Wife: Thanks for that example. I'm happy with how it looks - the only tricky one is Hawkins and how she has crossed over from supporting to main. I've swapped it over to be (supporting, 2021) - hopefully that helps to distinguish. If you're happy with that, I'm fine with that being added to the main page. Just a quick question - do you think there should be any reference to supporting members in the timeline? SatDis (talk) 04:39, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

@SatDis: I think (2021; supporting) reads better, as it's making separate points that are still relevant to one another and it's elaborated upon in the note. I think you could absolutely have the supporting members in the timeline, they'd need a width:3 line through them to specify that they're supporting (maybe a coral or something that contrasts well with red, yellow, blue and purple) but still good information to have in the timeline. David — Preceding undated comment added 06:01, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

@Jane, His Wife: Okay, I've added the new revision back to the main page. Thanks for your assistance. I'll look into a way of adopting that timeline, thanks for the suggestion. SatDis (talk) 08:23, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Just an idea for the timeline, with Hawkins below: SatDis (talk) 08:27, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

8 Wiggles

Anthony has Seid there are now 8 Wiggles 4 boys, 4 girls, and he has never seid anything about "supporting members" so I think the the Wiggles Articles should be about the 8 Wiggles! Jena (talk) 23:50, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

This article [1] also has Anthony refer to the main line-up as the "core 4 Wiggles" and the other members as the "Fruit Salad TV Wiggles", who join on tours and TV shows, i.e. "supporting members". This is already referenced in the article. SatDis (talk) 21:46, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, (and apologies if this isn't the proper way to use Talk pages ... I haven't used a Talk poage before).

Aside from the first couple of months of the expanded lineup, The Wiggles have consistently mentioned that there are now 8 members of the group. There are always credited/billed equalled on tour poster art, and their most recent album covers and TV series, as well as on their official website and social media, media + press, and awards cereomies MontereyJim (talk) 23:50, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

@MontereyJim: I do think you're right... they are all treated equally now. Except, like you've said, the first couple of months they were separated. I will refer to the 2022 CD and DVD releases, which on the back cover list them as "Fruit Salad TV Wiggles". On the 2023 CD release, they are all equal. Which means, up until Kelly Hamilton left, there was definitely a divide. So... the page needs to reflect the fact that this divide was still present up until that point.

However, one big factor which is still concerning me, is that all merchandise in 2023 still features only Anthony, Lachy, Simon and Tsheay. Similar to the Rolling Stones magazine cover, which only featured the 4 as well. On the website, the "core four" are still listed above the other four. And if one of them left, and were replaced by one of the supporting four, there would need to be a clear way to represent this on the page. Interested to hear others' thoughts on this. SatDis (talk) 00:37, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

In 2008, Ad Week described the Wiggles as "four guys".[2] In 2010, CNN Money reported on the four guys who were the Wiggles.[3] In June 2021, an Uber Eats advertisement featured four Wiggles, three men and a woman, humourously adding Simon Cowell as a fifth member: Grey Wiggle.[4] It was not until August 2021 that the Wiggles expanded to eight, with four men and four women.[5] It's not wrong to say that the Wiggles had four members for many years. Binksternet (talk) 01:41, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Paul Paddick missing from list of members?

It looks like Paul Paddick (Captain Feathersword) is missing from the list of band members. JohnConnor2013 (talk) 02:13, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

@JohnConnor2013: Paul Paddick is mentioned twice in the article as the actor portraying Captain Feathersword. However, he has never been officially referred to as a "Wiggle" or a member of "The Wiggles" - credits typically refer to the main four or eight band members. Unless there is a proposed format, I'm not sure how to include this in the "Members" section. SatDis (talk) 03:21, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

@JohnConnor2013 & @SatDis, you wouldn't include Paddick in the Members section because as SatDis points out, he's not a member of the group. The Captain is a WIggles character, like Wags the Dog and Dorothy the Dinosaur. He's more prominent than they are, of course, so prominent that he's been called "the Fifth Wiggle." Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 15:18, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 March 2024

In the history section, can you please add that Simon was originally going to replace Greg in August 2012 before the announcement of the retirements of Murray and Jeff? Please. 2601:40A:8400:2250:A9D9:B4C:9BBE:35A2 (talk) 00:09, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Jamedeus (talk) 00:24, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 June 2024

In the first paragraph at the top of the page, can you say this: "As of 2022, the main lineup is Anthony Field, Lachy Gillespie, Tsehay Hawkins, and Simon Pryce, while the secondary lineup is Lucia Field, Evie Ferris, Caterina Mete, and John Pearce." Can you change the sentence to what I said? Please. 2601:40A:8400:1820:54CA:95B:DCFD:A74 (talk) 18:12, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done Please provide a reliable source to support the change you would like. Ternera (talk) 18:20, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

I just want the sentence rewritten. 2601:40A:8400:1820:C27:65D8:8172:A295 (talk) 20:15, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Your proposed change is more than a simple rewrite - it changes the designation of four members to "secondary lineup." That needs to be supported by a reliable source. PianoDan (talk) 20:29, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

The general consensus is that they are officially an 8 piece group, all with equal membership status. The article reflects that and is supported by appropriate sources. SatDis (talk) 02:07, 30 June 2024 (UTC)