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== Harmonica player == |
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== Sourcing from Billy Joel Channel? == |
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Following up on [[Talk:Billy Joel/Archive 2#American accordionists]], where it was noted that this article is in [[:Category:American harmonica players]], I see that addition of that to his instrument-list in the infobox is disputed. Let's get this resolved. I present: |
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I'm enjoying the Billy Joel Channel on [[Sirius XM]], especially when Billy talks about the inspiration for his songs or albums. Could we use this information as sources for the various Billy Joel articles on Wikipedia? If so, how would we cite it? [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 22:36, 10 November 2018 (UTC) |
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* [https://www.hohner.de/en/instruments/harmonicas/signature/billy-joel-signature], where he has a signature harmonica (collaboration product with an instrument manufacturer) based on what he plays in concert |
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* [https://www.guitarcenter.com/Hohner/Billy-Joel-Signature-Harmonica-Key-of.gc], where "Billy Joel has been playing Hohner harmonicas his entire career and they were featured on his first Top 20 single and first gold album" |
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It is only makes a noticeable appearance in one of his major songs I think, but it is prominently featured there that other musical organizations have seen fit to highlight this aspect. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 16:44, 25 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:<small>Also, apologies to [[User:WWGB]], didn't see you were simply reverting an unexplained addition that was not previously there, rather than removing what had existed. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 16:48, 25 September 2020 (UTC)</small> |
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:I second that, while the Harmonica is not his most used instrument, it has a major role in probably his most popular song, as you mentioned (More than can be said for many other instruments he's played), and as an aspiring harmonica player myself I've always seen him as an inspiration, although that's more a personal anecdote than a proper argument. [[User:Erated8|Erated8]] ([[User talk:Erated8|talk]]) 23:06, 8 September 2022 (UTC) |
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::> it has a major role in probably his most popular song |
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::He plays the harmonica AND piano at the same time in his most prominent song, surely something to note: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW4at7ugFGs?t=260 [[User:Drnxh|Drnxh]] ([[User talk:Drnxh|talk]]) 21:06, 15 February 2023 (UTC) |
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::{{ping|FlightTime Phone}} That's the problem - hence the question. [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 21:58, 17 November 2018 (UTC) |
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To add to this article: Joel's approximate net worth. [[Special:Contributions/173.88.246.138|173.88.246.138]] ([[User talk:173.88.246.138|talk]]) 01:22, 27 July 2022 (UTC) |
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:::{{re|GoingBatty}} I don't see a problem, if it's un-verifiable, it can not be used. - <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">[[User:FlightTime Phone|<span style="color:#0047AB">'''FlightTime Phone'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:FlightTime Phone|<span style="color:#0047AB">'''open channel'''</span>]])</small></span> 22:30, 17 November 2018 (UTC) |
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:::Actually if it were verifiable, it would most likely deemed non-Encyclopedic trivia anyway. - <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">[[User:FlightTime Phone|<span style="color:#0047AB">'''FlightTime Phone'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:FlightTime Phone|<span style="color:#0047AB">'''open channel'''</span>]])</small></span> 22:31, 17 November 2018 (UTC) |
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:Not needed or relevant to his career or life and would constantly have to be updated to reflect his current finances [[User:Rsemmes92|Rsemmes92]] ([[User talk:Rsemmes92|talk]]) 19:41, 7 February 2023 (UTC) |
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== "Piano Man"?? == |
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Billy Joel would have been very young in 1953, when the [[Korean War]] ended, but it is prominently mentioned in [[We didn't start the fire]] and [[Leningrad (song)]]. Is there information missing from the article which would explain this connection? If so, could it be added in?--[[User:Jack Upland|Jack Upland]] ([[User talk:Jack Upland|talk]]) 19:26, 16 June 2019 (UTC) |
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The '''second sentence''' of the lead section says: "{{tq|Commonly nicknamed the "Piano Man" after his signature song of the same name...}}" Really, commonly? By whom? When? This doesn't appear as a common nickname in the infobox, and '''has no sources''' to support it. Even if this was true, it does not deserve to be stated as an essential fact in the second sentence of the lead section. [[Special:Contributions/92.15.148.117|92.15.148.117]] ([[User talk:92.15.148.117|talk]]) 13:06, 28 December 2022 (UTC) |
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== Soviet Union == |
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:I have added a couple sources to directly back up the claim, but there are plenty of others, including littered throughout the page. [[User:Cerebral726|Cerebral726]] ([[User talk:Cerebral726|talk]]) 13:41, 28 December 2022 (UTC) |
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::Hard disagree as well. Thanks Cerebral for taking care of that. [[User:Kjscotte34|Kjscotte34]] ([[User talk:Kjscotte34|talk]]) 15:00, 28 December 2022 (UTC) |
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:In October 1986, Joel and his team started planning a trip to the Soviet Union. He became one of the first American rock acts to play there since the Berlin Wall went up. |
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This isn't in the source. Why the Berlin Wall? The Berlin Wall was constructed in 1961.It seems unlikely that an American rock act played in the USSR before 1961. There just weren't many around back then. And anyway, the Berlin Wall was in East Germany. It had no direct relevance to the Soviet Union and nothing to do with Joel's tour. [https://ew.com/article/1996/08/09/billy-joel-rocked-ussr-1987/ Several rock musicians] went to the USSR before him. [[John Denver]] toured the USSR in 1985. [[Johnny Cash]] recorded a live album, [[Koncert v Praze (In Prague–Live)]], in Czechoslovakia in 1978. I'm sure that other relevant examples could be found. I think we should drop the second sentence altogether, particularly the irrelevant reference to the Berlin Wall.--[[User:Jack Upland|Jack Upland]] ([[User talk:Jack Upland|talk]]) 07:17, 14 December 2019 (UTC) |
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:Thanks for highlighting this. I did remove the 2nd sentence you mentioned, as well as adding a new one at the end of the paragraph to try & address the whole "first SU rock concert" more accurately. I'm sure it could be written better, but it's certainly a start. ~~[[User:TheDisneyGamer|Tristan ("''TheDisneyGamer''")]] 16:58, 14 December 2019 (UTC) |
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::Thanks.--[[User:Jack Upland|Jack Upland]] ([[User talk:Jack Upland|talk]]) 06:15, 15 December 2019 (UTC) |
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To support addition of guitar in his instrument list, he has played guitar at most of his concerts and he plays it live on songs such as "A Matter of Trust" and "We Didn't Start The Fire" he was even playing a Gibson Les Paul in the music video of the former. [[User:GTAGamer245|GTAGamer245]] ([[User talk:GTAGamer245|talk]]) 10:52, 9 November 2023 (UTC) |
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== car crashes == |
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:From the documentation for infobox musical artist: "Instruments listed in the infobox should be limited to {{em|only}} those that the artist is primarily known for using. The instruments infobox parameter is {{em|not}} intended as a [[WP:COATRACK]] for every instrument the subject has ever used." [[User:Martin IIIa|Martin IIIa]] ([[User talk:Martin IIIa|talk]]) 02:18, 21 February 2024 (UTC) |
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There should probably be something on his multiple car crashes in the decade of the 2000s. Widely covered in the news at the time. [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] ([[User talk:AnonMoos|talk]]) 06:36, 26 March 2020 (UTC) |
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::Agreed. Joel is not a noted guitarist. He merely uses a guitar as a prop to get out from behind the piano from time to time. [[User:WWGB|WWGB]] ([[User talk:WWGB|talk]]) 04:30, 23 September 2024 (UTC) |
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Harmonica player
[edit]Following up on Talk:Billy Joel/Archive 2#American accordionists, where it was noted that this article is in Category:American harmonica players, I see that addition of that to his instrument-list in the infobox is disputed. Let's get this resolved. I present:
- [1], where he has a signature harmonica (collaboration product with an instrument manufacturer) based on what he plays in concert
- [2], where "Billy Joel has been playing Hohner harmonicas his entire career and they were featured on his first Top 20 single and first gold album"
It is only makes a noticeable appearance in one of his major songs I think, but it is prominently featured there that other musical organizations have seen fit to highlight this aspect. DMacks (talk) 16:44, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- Also, apologies to User:WWGB, didn't see you were simply reverting an unexplained addition that was not previously there, rather than removing what had existed. DMacks (talk) 16:48, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- I second that, while the Harmonica is not his most used instrument, it has a major role in probably his most popular song, as you mentioned (More than can be said for many other instruments he's played), and as an aspiring harmonica player myself I've always seen him as an inspiration, although that's more a personal anecdote than a proper argument. Erated8 (talk) 23:06, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
- > it has a major role in probably his most popular song
- He plays the harmonica AND piano at the same time in his most prominent song, surely something to note: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW4at7ugFGs?t=260 Drnxh (talk) 21:06, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
To add to article
[edit]To add to this article: Joel's approximate net worth. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 01:22, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- Not needed or relevant to his career or life and would constantly have to be updated to reflect his current finances Rsemmes92 (talk) 19:41, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
"Piano Man"??
[edit]The second sentence of the lead section says: "Commonly nicknamed the "Piano Man" after his signature song of the same name...
" Really, commonly? By whom? When? This doesn't appear as a common nickname in the infobox, and has no sources to support it. Even if this was true, it does not deserve to be stated as an essential fact in the second sentence of the lead section. 92.15.148.117 (talk) 13:06, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
- Totally disagree. - FlightTime (open channel) 13:07, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
- I have added a couple sources to directly back up the claim, but there are plenty of others, including littered throughout the page. Cerebral726 (talk) 13:41, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
- Hard disagree as well. Thanks Cerebral for taking care of that. Kjscotte34 (talk) 15:00, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
Guitar
[edit]To support addition of guitar in his instrument list, he has played guitar at most of his concerts and he plays it live on songs such as "A Matter of Trust" and "We Didn't Start The Fire" he was even playing a Gibson Les Paul in the music video of the former. GTAGamer245 (talk) 10:52, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
- From the documentation for infobox musical artist: "Instruments listed in the infobox should be limited to only those that the artist is primarily known for using. The instruments infobox parameter is not intended as a WP:COATRACK for every instrument the subject has ever used." Martin IIIa (talk) 02:18, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed. Joel is not a noted guitarist. He merely uses a guitar as a prop to get out from behind the piano from time to time. WWGB (talk) 04:30, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
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