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== Semi-protected edit request on 10 August 2024 ==
==Notability==
I noticed that a previous article on The Weeknd was recently speedy deleted (A7). I went ahead and started a new article with the addition of several sources so that it would meet (at least) criteria #1 of [[WP:MUSIC]]. Let me know if there are any concerns. <small><span style="background-color:#ffffff;border: 1px solid;">[[User:Gongshow|'''<span style="color:#000000; background-color:#ffffff">&nbsp;Gongshow&nbsp;</span>''']]</span></small><sup>[[User talk:Gongshow|''Talk'']]</sup> 08:42, 29 March 2011 (UTC)


{{Edit semi-protected|The Weeknd|answered=yes}}
== Picture Drama ==
create page for the anticipated 2024 The Weeknd album, Hyperlink page [[User:Tech4223|Tech4223]] ([[User talk:Tech4223|talk]]) 17:33, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:[[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a [[WP:EDITXY|"change X to Y" format]] and provide a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable source]] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton|talk]]) 22:35, 10 August 2024 (UTC)


== Semi-protected edit request on 2 September 2024 ==
I don't think Abel requested the picture to be up. I actually think he could have been the one to take it down. He's said multiple times he wants his appearance to remain somewhat mysterious. That's why when you search pictures of him, a large amount of them involve Abel covering his face or turning away. If he wanted a picture up he'd make it clear through Twitter or something. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.149.103.253|68.149.103.253]] ([[User talk:68.149.103.253|talk]]) 23:32, 22 August 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


{{edit semi-protected|The Weeknd|answered=yes}}
im sure he got something better to do than that. The Same IP Address keep removing it. Whatever, there a new one with copyright. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.97.182.80|76.97.182.80]] ([[User talk:76.97.182.80|talk]]) 01:14, 23 August 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
The weeknd is an actor too. [[Special:Contributions/86.8.52.191|86.8.52.191]] ([[User talk:86.8.52.191|talk]]) 11:42, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
:A fact that the article lists several times, including in the infobox. Is there a specific place you think it should be added? [[User talk:Bestagon#top|Bestagon]] ⬡ 16:58, 2 September 2024 (UTC)


== Image ==
== The Weeknd is ONE PERSON ==
The Weeknd is one person, not a band. Please stop refering him as the "vocalist" of the weeknd. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.97.182.80|76.97.182.80]] ([[User talk:76.97.182.80|talk]]) 07:37, 26 August 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


@[[User:Osh33m|Osh33m]] Can you explain why you're repeatedly changing the photo of R Kelly in the section artistry? I explained in my edit summary that I changed the mugshot because it appears out of place with the other images of Michael Jackson and Prince, but you've been changing it back without explanation. [[User:Endof|<span style="background:#c11801;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:darkgray 2px;">Endof</span>]][[User talk:Endof|<span style="background:#8c0242;color:white;padding:2px;box-shadow:darkgray2px;">talk</span>]] 03:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
== Birthday ==

According to his YouTube account, his is still 20. So Birthday change until proof of birth. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.97.182.80|76.97.182.80]] ([[User talk:76.97.182.80|talk]]) 05:29, 13 September 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:The image was already the one that was there when I first came across this wikipedia page. I disagree that it appears out of place because in 2024, that's what R. Kelly is most known for. An image of him performing is inappropriate in my opinion. [[User:Osh33m|Osh33m]] ([[User talk:Osh33m|talk]]) 01:25, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
==File:TheWeeknd.jpg Nominated for speedy Deletion==
::R Kelly isn't most known for his mugshot or his crimes however, he's most known for being a musician. If that's the case in 2024 is arguable, but the article mentions R Kelly because he influenced the Weeknd musically, so his crimes are ultimately irrelevant in the Weeknd's article and a picture of him performing is more appropriate.
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::Composition-wise the performance picture is better than the mugshot. Although I'll admit the photo I put in is somewhat blurry, the mugshot has too much grain which is noticeable. While the mugshot has a wide aspect ratio and is a headshot that only shows the head, the Michael Jackson, Prince, and R Kelly performance pics all have a tall aspect ratio and is a half-body headshot that shows the person from the waist up. This is what I meant by the mugshot is out of place. [[User:Endof|<span style="background:#c11801;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:darkgray 2px;">Endof</span>]][[User talk:Endof|<span style="background:#8c0242;color:white;padding:2px;box-shadow:darkgray2px;">talk</span>]] 20:29, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
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:::I understood what you meant, but I still disagree. Having a picture of him performing is inappropriate because (as you said it's arguable that) he's most known for being a sexual predator in 2024, and that includes using his own art to lure is prey. That he influenced the Weeknd musically is irrelevant to the photo being used because the Artistry section already mentions that. If an image of his is to be included, it should be the mugshot. [[User:Osh33m|Osh33m]] ([[User talk:Osh33m|talk]]) 23:02, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
::::I should have clarified that when I stated that he's most known for being a sexual predator in 2024, I was referring to the general public's opinion at that specific point of time. However, we should note that on Wikipedia, people should be referred to what they're most notable for throughout their lifetime. [[MOS:LEADBIO]] states that "Well-publicized recent events affecting a subject, whether controversial or not, should be kept in historical perspective. '''What is most recent is not necessarily what is most [[Wikipedia:NOTEWORTHY|noteworthy]]''': new information should be carefully balanced against old, with [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view#Undue weight|due weight]] accorded to each." To give just a few examples, Bill Cosby is more known as a [[Talk:Bill_Cosby/Archive_5#%22Convicted_sex_offender%22|a comedian and actor first rather than a sex offender]] and Jimmy Savile is more known as [[Talk:Jimmy_Savile/Archive_9#Lead_paragraph|a media personality and DJ than a sexual abuser]]. I disagree that the musical influence is irrelevant to the photo; in fact, I think that because the Artistry section mention's R Kelly musical influence, it makes more sense to use a photo that thematically aligns with the text, i.e. the performance photo rather than the mugshot.
::::Anyways, if you still disagree, then I or you can put it on [[WP:3O]] where we can get a third opinion. [[User:Endof|<span style="background:#c11801;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:darkgray 2px;">Endof</span>]][[User talk:Endof|<span style="background:#8c0242;color:white;padding:2px;box-shadow:darkgray2px;">talk</span>]] 00:30, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::R. Kelly being a musician is why he has a Wikipedia article, but I also believe that his incarceration due to sexual misconduct ''is'' what is most noteworthy. If an onlooker decides to read the article from beginning to end, the onlooker may end up interpreting it being about a person with talent who became famous and used the fame to his advantage in becoming a predator. Let's go ahead and put [[WP:3O]] on it. [[User:Osh33m|Osh33m]] ([[User talk:Osh33m|talk]]) 21:33, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
::::::I still disagree that R Kelly's sexual misconduct is what is most noteworthy. An onlooker may interpret the articles as a person who used their fame to take advantage in becoming a predator as you said of course, but we should still consider [[WP:DUE|due weight]], usually determined by consensus for controversial subjects. Consensus in [[Talk:R. Kelly|the talk page of R Kelly's article]] is that R Kelly is first and foremost known as a musician, and that descriptors like "sex offender" shouldn't be used in the first sentence. Even using the mugshot for the infobox image has raised BLP concerns. I still also believe that the performance picture fits better with the other pictures of Michael Jackson and Prince because of its similar composition.
::::::Because we still disagree on the image and have agreed to list this dispute on [[WP:3O]], I have placed it there. [[User:Endof|<span style="background:#c11801;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:darkgray 2px;">Endof</span>]][[User talk:Endof|<span style="background:#8c0242;color:white;padding:2px;box-shadow:darkgray2px;">talk</span>]] 19:40, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

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== Baet leoncio ==
Better to have a picture than No picture.

== Ethiopian or Eritrean heritage ==

There appears to be disagreement (based on some chronic edit warring) about whether he is of Ethiopian or Eritrean heritage. [http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/arts/music/not-much-suspense-to-arcade-fires-polaris-triumph/article2172845/ This article] in ''The Globe and Mail'' refers to him as "Ethiopian-Canadian". Does anyone have other sources about this? It might be best just to refer to him as Canadian. <font face="Comic sans MS">[[User:Paul Erik|Paul Erik]]</font> <small><sup><font color="Blue">[[User_talk:Paul Erik|(talk)]]</font><font color="Green">[[Special:Contributions/Paul Erik|(contribs)]]</font></sup></small> 03:07, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
:Other than the ''Globe and Mail'' link above, I can't find any [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] that address his heritage, so I tend to agree that it would perhaps be better to refer to him as Canadian for now until more is written about it. <small><span style="background-color:#ffffff;border: 1px solid;">[[User:Gongshow|'''<span style="color:#000000; background-color:#ffffff">&nbsp;Gongshow&nbsp;</span>''']]</span></small><sup>[[User talk:Gongshow|''Talk'']]</sup> 17:22, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

He is in fact born in Canada, but his parents are immigrants from Ethiopia. So, hes background is Ethiopian but, he is a Canadian Citizenship. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.97.182.80|76.97.182.80]] ([[User talk:76.97.182.80|talk]]) 05:54, 18 October 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
: The ''Globe and Mail'' article supports what you are saying, but do you have another source for this? Some editors seem to have been insisting that he is of Eritrean heritage. Thanks. <font face="Comic sans MS">[[User:Paul Erik|Paul Erik]]</font> <small><sup><font color="Blue">[[User_talk:Paul Erik|(talk)]]</font><font color="Green">[[Special:Contributions/Paul Erik|(contribs)]]</font></sup></small> 13:43, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
''The Guardian'' is also referring to him as "Ethiopian-Canadian" [http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2011/dec/07/albums-2011-weeknd-house-balloons?newsfeed=true]. <font face="Comic sans MS">[[User:Paul Erik|Paul Erik]]</font> <small><sup><font color="Blue">[[User_talk:Paul Erik|(talk)]]</font><font color="Green">[[Special:Contributions/Paul Erik|(contribs)]]</font></sup></small> 04:34, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
: Keep it "Canadian", We don't refer Drake as "African-Jewish-Canadian." <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.97.182.80|76.97.182.80]] ([[User talk:76.97.182.80|talk]]) 02:43, 30 December 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

[http://beautifulbrowngirls.com/2011/09/16/off-the-tracks-the-weeknd/ IS THE WEEKND ERITREAN OR ETHIOPIAN?] <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/108.27.218.13|108.27.218.13]] ([[User talk:108.27.218.13|talk]]) 03:26, 11 January 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
: Thanks for that. Yet I haven't been able to find anything else that identifies him as Eritrean. In addition to ''The Globe and Mail'' and ''The Guardian'', the ''[[National Post]]'' [http://arts.nationalpost.com/2011/12/14/our-favourite-albums-of-2011-why-we-loved-them/] and MTV [http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1675572/drake-the-weeknd-house-of-balloons-fave-album-2011.jhtml] also say his family is from Ethiopia. Any ideas as to why there is uncertainty about this? <font face="Comic sans MS">[[User:Paul Erik|Paul Erik]]</font> <small><sup><font color="Blue">[[User_talk:Paul Erik|(talk)]]</font><font color="Green">[[Special:Contributions/Paul Erik|(contribs)]]</font></sup></small> 03:40, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

== Echoes of Silence release date ==

Someone keeps adding the 24th of each passing month as the date that Abel's 3r'd tape will be released, even though the weeknd has not set a date. And October 24th is the original date for Drake's Take Care, which is why The Weeknd tweeted "Oct. 24" As of now there is no release date. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.149.103.253|68.149.103.253]] ([[User talk:68.149.103.253|talk]]) 21:37, 12 October 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Secondary school ==
There happen to be two school who claiming that the weeknd attended. Any evidence? please provide. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.97.182.80|76.97.182.80]] ([[User talk:76.97.182.80|talk]]) 02:09, 8 November 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Signing ==
Warner Brother close to signing the weeknd. Also interest from Bad Boy was disclosed. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.97.182.80|76.97.182.80]] ([[User talk:76.97.182.80|talk]]) 01:27, 4 May 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Also the article says that he owns XO which is totally untrue, that is the vanity label that Drake owns which The Weeknd is a part of. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/204.239.41.58|204.239.41.58]] ([[User talk:204.239.41.58|talk]]) 21:50, 30 November 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Music: "House of Balloons/Glass Table Girls" sampled on Siouxsie and the Banshees's "Happy House" and Beach house==


Weekend real name [[User:Baettwentyfour|Baettwentyfour]] ([[User talk:Baettwentyfour|talk]]) 04:57, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
"Happy House" is both heavily sampled and covered in parts (as The weeknd sings the chorus "this is the happy house, we're happy here in the happy house, is it fun"). "House of Balloons/Glass Table Girls" is a key track of his repertoire that has to be reported here: [http://pitchfork.com/reviews/tracks/12148-house-of-balloons/ Pitchfork wrote a whole article about that sample and the chorus]. The first famous song of an artist is important. The article about [[Elvis Presley]] wrote for instance [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elvis_Presley#First_recordings_.281953.E2.80.9355.29 here]. ''During the next few days, the trio recorded a bluegrass number, Bill Monroe's "Blue Moon of Kentucky", again in a distinctive style and employing a jury-rigged echo effect that Sam Phillips dubbed "slapback". A single was pressed with "That's All Right" on the A side and "Blue Moon of Kentucky" on the reverse''. For "House of Balloons/Glass Table Girls", these words work : ''"House of Balloons/Glass Table Girls" had gained attention from the media in March. It was based on the sample of Siouxsie and the Banshees's single "Happy House" with Tesfaye singing the original chorus". Then, as his music is a mix of many genres, ''Tesfaye’s eclectic music also blends other samples ranging from Beach House to Aaliyah's Rock the Boat''. The article about Radiohead
has got something about influences and songwriting. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiohead#Style_and_songwriting here]. This also matters as his music is very distinctive. [[User:Spadebru|Spadebru]] ([[User talk:Spadebru|talk]]) 19:23, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 05:40, 20 October 2024

Semi-protected edit request on 10 August 2024

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create page for the anticipated 2024 The Weeknd album, Hyperlink page Tech4223 (talk) 17:33, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 22:35, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 2 September 2024

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The weeknd is an actor too. 86.8.52.191 (talk) 11:42, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A fact that the article lists several times, including in the infobox. Is there a specific place you think it should be added? Bestagon ⬡ 16:58, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Image

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@Osh33m Can you explain why you're repeatedly changing the photo of R Kelly in the section artistry? I explained in my edit summary that I changed the mugshot because it appears out of place with the other images of Michael Jackson and Prince, but you've been changing it back without explanation. Endoftalk 03:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The image was already the one that was there when I first came across this wikipedia page. I disagree that it appears out of place because in 2024, that's what R. Kelly is most known for. An image of him performing is inappropriate in my opinion. Osh33m (talk) 01:25, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
R Kelly isn't most known for his mugshot or his crimes however, he's most known for being a musician. If that's the case in 2024 is arguable, but the article mentions R Kelly because he influenced the Weeknd musically, so his crimes are ultimately irrelevant in the Weeknd's article and a picture of him performing is more appropriate.
Composition-wise the performance picture is better than the mugshot. Although I'll admit the photo I put in is somewhat blurry, the mugshot has too much grain which is noticeable. While the mugshot has a wide aspect ratio and is a headshot that only shows the head, the Michael Jackson, Prince, and R Kelly performance pics all have a tall aspect ratio and is a half-body headshot that shows the person from the waist up. This is what I meant by the mugshot is out of place. Endoftalk 20:29, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understood what you meant, but I still disagree. Having a picture of him performing is inappropriate because (as you said it's arguable that) he's most known for being a sexual predator in 2024, and that includes using his own art to lure is prey. That he influenced the Weeknd musically is irrelevant to the photo being used because the Artistry section already mentions that. If an image of his is to be included, it should be the mugshot. Osh33m (talk) 23:02, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I should have clarified that when I stated that he's most known for being a sexual predator in 2024, I was referring to the general public's opinion at that specific point of time. However, we should note that on Wikipedia, people should be referred to what they're most notable for throughout their lifetime. MOS:LEADBIO states that "Well-publicized recent events affecting a subject, whether controversial or not, should be kept in historical perspective. What is most recent is not necessarily what is most noteworthy: new information should be carefully balanced against old, with due weight accorded to each." To give just a few examples, Bill Cosby is more known as a a comedian and actor first rather than a sex offender and Jimmy Savile is more known as a media personality and DJ than a sexual abuser. I disagree that the musical influence is irrelevant to the photo; in fact, I think that because the Artistry section mention's R Kelly musical influence, it makes more sense to use a photo that thematically aligns with the text, i.e. the performance photo rather than the mugshot.
Anyways, if you still disagree, then I or you can put it on WP:3O where we can get a third opinion. Endoftalk 00:30, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
R. Kelly being a musician is why he has a Wikipedia article, but I also believe that his incarceration due to sexual misconduct is what is most noteworthy. If an onlooker decides to read the article from beginning to end, the onlooker may end up interpreting it being about a person with talent who became famous and used the fame to his advantage in becoming a predator. Let's go ahead and put WP:3O on it. Osh33m (talk) 21:33, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I still disagree that R Kelly's sexual misconduct is what is most noteworthy. An onlooker may interpret the articles as a person who used their fame to take advantage in becoming a predator as you said of course, but we should still consider due weight, usually determined by consensus for controversial subjects. Consensus in the talk page of R Kelly's article is that R Kelly is first and foremost known as a musician, and that descriptors like "sex offender" shouldn't be used in the first sentence. Even using the mugshot for the infobox image has raised BLP concerns. I still also believe that the performance picture fits better with the other pictures of Michael Jackson and Prince because of its similar composition.
Because we still disagree on the image and have agreed to list this dispute on WP:3O, I have placed it there. Endoftalk 19:40, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Response to third opinion request:
The mugshot should not be used. R. Kelly is notable first and foremost as a musician. It's why he's mentioned in this article. Reviewing this request this has been a question for discussion at Talk:R. Kelly as well and the general consensus is not to use mugshots in the infoboxes for WP:BLP. That seems like a good rule of thumb for this case as well. Nemov (talk) 15:51, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Baet leoncio

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Weekend real name Baettwentyfour (talk) 04:57, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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