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==Not finding the quote for note number 3== |
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I tried to access the link that was given for the "note 3", not even though I tried to search on the Telegraph's site or even through the Archive.org website did I find it - but since I'm a huge Elvis fan I think this is something the Colonel is very likely to have said - however, assuming isn't good enough. Can anyone else find a reputable source? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/130.208.155.21|130.208.155.21]] ([[User talk:130.208.155.21|talk]]) 09:50, 22 February 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:I've added a new reference that I hope is acceptable.[[User:ElvisFan1981|ElvisFan1981]] ([[User talk:ElvisFan1981|talk]]) 09:59, 22 February 2010 (UTC) |
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:: Thank you :) Keep up the good work for Elvis on Wikipedia. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/130.208.183.44|130.208.183.44]] ([[User talk:130.208.183.44|talk]]) 23:56, 23 February 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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==Whose credit? == |
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''It took the energetic 1968 television special, ''Elvis'', and a subsequent series of stellar recording sessions in Memphis, Tennessee, to restore Elvis Presley's musical reputation. To his credit, though, it is open as to whether he was allowed much choice in the matter; Parker allowed both to happen with little impediment'' |
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I'm having trouble parsing this. ''Whose'' credit, and ''who'' was or was not allowed much choice - Presley or Parker? And why would it be to either one's credit? [[User:Sorcha|Shari]] 07:59, 27 December 2006 (UTC) |
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*restructured. Took out "to his credit" as NPOV. [[User:70.183.63.108|70.183.63.108]] 22:56, 23 March 2007 (UTC) |
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==Date of death?== |
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article lists January 21, 1997 (findagrave lists Jan. 22!) at the beginning and June 26, 1996, at the end - which is it? [[User:70.183.63.108|70.183.63.108]] 22:53, 23 March 2007 (UTC) |
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He died on Jan. 21, 1997. He was born on June 26, 1909. It looks like this has been fixed in the article. [[User:Brents1|Brents1]] ([[User talk:Brents1|talk]]) 04:30, 30 September 2009 (UTC) |
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== Opening segment == |
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The opening segment contains information that is vital to the article, but I don't believe it belongs in the opening segment. Most of hte information that I removed earlier was repeated further in the article. I don't have time to rewrite the whole article now, or to even make an attempt on it, but I have noticed a few mistakes within the article that I will try to rectify soon. I'll leave the opening segment as it is now, seeing as some have taken my previous edit the wrong way, but I do still feel that the information I removed should be taken out of the opening segment and only used in the relative section.[[User:ElvisFan1981|ElvisFan1981]] ([[User talk:ElvisFan1981|talk]]) 09:43, 12 June 2008 (UTC) |
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== Possible copyright issue == |
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Researching this subject online to possibly improve it, I came across this page (http://www.elvis.com.au/presley/interview_loanne_parker2.shtml) written on March 24, 2006. The earliest date I could find on Wiki for this article was July 4, 2006. The Wiki article is practically word for word the exact copy of the http://www.elvis.com.au/presley/interview_loanne_parker2.shtml article. Is this a problem? I'm fairly new to Wikipedia but was led to believe that this kind of "copy/paste" job was not allowed. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:ElvisFan1981|ElvisFan1981]] ([[User talk:ElvisFan1981|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ElvisFan1981|contribs]]) 09:57, 12 June 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Kids? Marriage? == |
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Was Parker married? did he have kids? [[User:Kingturtle|Kingturtle]] ([[User talk:Kingturtle|talk]]) 17:48, 9 July 2008 (UTC) |
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:Kingturtle, you don't seem to have read the article. It says that Parker was married to an American citizen. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/86.139.116.24|86.139.116.24]] ([[User talk:86.139.116.24|talk]]) 16:31, 22 November 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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This article would be improved by more information about Parker's wife, marriage, children, etc. --[[User:Design|Design]] ([[User talk:Design|talk]]) 03:13, 30 June 2009 (UTC) |
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== Departure == |
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There were rumours about Parker's rapid departure from Holland. |
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He seems to have left the U.S. Army because of mental trouble. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/86.139.116.24|86.139.116.24]] ([[User talk:86.139.116.24|talk]]) 16:10, 22 November 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Left the army? I read he was rejected by the United States army when he drafted. [[User:Eligius|Eligius]] ([[User talk:Eligius|talk]]) 03:38, 7 July 2010 (UTC) |
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::Parker served in the US army for two years, but went [[AWOL]] during his second stint. He was classed as a deserter and charged, ending up in a mental hospital for a couple of months. He was then discharged from the army for a constitutional psychopathic state; an honorable discharge due to illness. As the article currently stands it doesn't discuss his Army days much, but hopefully that will soon be remedied. [[User:ElvisFan1981|ElvisFan1981]] ([[User talk:ElvisFan1981|talk]]) 09:00, 7 July 2010 (UTC) |
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== Great sectiontitles == |
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I do like the sectiontitles: "Finding Elvis", "Surviving Elvis". But should it not be (''more like''): |
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*"On his way to Elvis" (=previous life) |
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*"Finding Elvis", |
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*"Managing Elvis", |
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*"Surviving Elvis" |
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*"Death" |
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-[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 17:19, 25 June 2009 (UTC) |
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:I agree, DePiep, and I think the article could do with a little re-writing and shuffling around. I think a lot of the information about his life before Elvis should be put at the beginning of the article, not the end. [[User:ElvisFan1981|ElvisFan1981]] ([[User talk:ElvisFan1981|talk]]) 09:02, 7 July 2010 (UTC) |
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::Maybe a good start then to reorder the sections (by complete section) into chronological order. The intro already focuses on Elvis. Let's not wait another year ;-) Go ahead if you like. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 10:24, 7 July 2010 (UTC) |
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:::Well, I gave it a go, started the work on it and hopefully it's a good, solid start. I'm still debating in my head whether his marriage should be mentioned earlier in the article, before his talent management section, or if it's well placed in the personal life section. [[User:ElvisFan1981|ElvisFan1981]] ([[User talk:ElvisFan1981|talk]]) 20:36, 8 July 2010 (UTC) |
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== Outside influence == |
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Parker might well have been afraid of outside infuences but this does not explain his reluctance to travel aboard. Outside influences could have spoken to Elvis in America itself. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/86.177.118.111|86.177.118.111]] ([[User talk:86.177.118.111|talk]]) 10:30, 27 June 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Parker didn't have a passport at any point in his life [[Special:Contributions/80.229.37.234|80.229.37.234]] ([[User talk:80.229.37.234|talk]]) 10:29, 7 November 2017 (UTC) |
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== "Colonel" Tom Parker, with scare quotes == |
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I was mildly surprised to learn from this article that Colonel Tom was really a Colonel, in the Louisiana State Militia. In light of this fact, shouldn't the scare quotes be removed from the two occurrences of the word "Colonel" in the lede paragraph? That isn't how we style the names, for instance, of "Admiral" Chester Nimitz or "General" George Washington. |
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"Duke" Ellington was not an actual Duke but it turns out that Tom Parker was really a Colonel. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:TypoBoy|TypoBoy]] ([[User talk:TypoBoy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TypoBoy|contribs]]) 15:40, 5 February 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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The funny thing (which I also learned from this article) is that the name Tom Parker was a complete pseudonym. So he wasn't "Colonel" Tom Parker; he was Colonel "Tom Parker". |
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I added this section to the talk page some weeks ago, and nobody has made an argument that the scare quotes should be retained. [[User:TypoBoy|TypoBoy]] ([[User talk:TypoBoy|talk]]) 01:53, 22 March 2012 (UTC) |
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== Shortened footnotes == |
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Since some sources are being cited many times, may I suggest that we start using shortened footnotes (as we add new citations). The documentation at [[Template:Sfn]] explains how to do this. |
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Please note that this means that one would need to add "|ref=harv" to the "cite web" or "cite book" template elsewhere on the page. (I've attempted to do this for the sources in the "Further reading" section.) |
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I started to do this for a new cited source, and I converted one of the Nash citations to this source. [[User:DougHill|DougHill]] ([[User talk:DougHill|talk]]) 19:19, 2 January 2014 (UTC) |
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== Colonel Van Kuijk == |
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Tom Parker was a fictional name. We should probably stop referring to him as that. |
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== 50/50 Partnership == |
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[[Special:Contributions/2600:6C56:6408:71:E121:8561:3EA0:E630|2600:6C56:6408:71:E121:8561:3EA0:E630]] ([[User talk:2600:6C56:6408:71:E121:8561:3EA0:E630|talk]]) 07:30, 20 June 2022 (UTC)anonymous |
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According to recent documentation found (This is according to Charles Stone, a tour producer of Elvis' in the 70s, who worked both for Parker and Presley in separate capacities) , there was never a 50% management deal and it was 25% all the way through, with the exception that in the late 70s - somewhere between 12-24 months before his death when they formed a 50/50 Ltd company entirely for some merchandise purposes. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/80.229.37.234|80.229.37.234]] ([[User talk:80.229.37.234#top|talk]]) 10:33, 7 November 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Shouldn't this article be at "[[Tom Parker (entrepreneur)]]" since the "colonel" is an (honorary) title? —[[User:Joeyconnick|Joeyconnick]] ([[User talk:Joeyconnick|talk]]) 16:46, 27 June 2022 (UTC) |
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There seem to be some items of dubious importance in the section "Portrayals and popular culture: Television" (incidentally, should that read "Portrayals <u>in</u> popular culture"?). Is it really encyclopedia-worthy, for instance, that "Parker was mentioned in the TV series The Simpsons, season 21 in episode number 9 ("Thursdays with Abie")" or that "Parker is also mentioned in the fifth episode of Archer Vice, entitled "Southbound and Down""? [[Special:Contributions/86.190.155.178|86.190.155.178]] ([[User talk:86.190.155.178|talk]]) 01:46, 30 December 2017 (UTC) |
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:We use the name someone is mostly known for. --[[User:SergeWoodzing|SergeWoodzing]] ([[User talk:SergeWoodzing|talk]]) 17:26, 27 June 2022 (UTC) |
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::We don't, however, normally include titles (honorary or substantial) in article titles even when a person is commonly known with their title. There are some exceptions but I'm not sure this article qualifies for being one of them. I will raise the question on the BLP articles discussion page. [[User:Afterwriting|Afterwriting]] ([[User talk:Afterwriting|talk]]) 10:23, 7 July 2022 (UTC) |
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== Andreas van Kuijk's first visit to the US: 1926 == |
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== Pop culture == |
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According to this Wikipedia article Andreas van Kuijk first came to the US in 1927. However, according to the "Holland - Amerika Lijn" passenger list he was sent back from New York to the Netherlands on March 20, 1926. He returned home to Rotterdam on the steamship "Veendam". The address he was registered at was Spanjaardstraat 110, Rotterdam. The entry in the passenger list shows the voyage was paid for by the US government. |
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I added info about a stage play that has been produced multiple times in the US, that features Parker as a main character, and it was removed. Can anyone explain why? It seems like a more important appearance than a brief aside on a TV show. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Belmontian|Belmontian]] ([[User talk:Belmontian#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Belmontian|contribs]]) 19:32, 13 July 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->[[User:Belmontian|Belmontian]] ([[User talk:Belmontian|talk]]) 19:35, 13 July 2018 (UTC) |
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The passenger lists can be viewed online at the Rotterdam Archives. [[Special:Contributions/2001:1C03:612:D500:1D98:44D8:161D:7AE9|2001:1C03:612:D500:1D98:44D8:161D:7AE9]] ([[User talk:2001:1C03:612:D500:1D98:44D8:161D:7AE9|talk]]) 14:54, 19 February 2024 (UTC) |
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[edit]Tom Parker was a fictional name. We should probably stop referring to him as that.
2600:6C56:6408:71:E121:8561:3EA0:E630 (talk) 07:30, 20 June 2022 (UTC)anonymous
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[edit]Shouldn't this article be at "Tom Parker (entrepreneur)" since the "colonel" is an (honorary) title? —Joeyconnick (talk) 16:46, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
- We use the name someone is mostly known for. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 17:26, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
- We don't, however, normally include titles (honorary or substantial) in article titles even when a person is commonly known with their title. There are some exceptions but I'm not sure this article qualifies for being one of them. I will raise the question on the BLP articles discussion page. Afterwriting (talk) 10:23, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Andreas van Kuijk's first visit to the US: 1926
[edit]According to this Wikipedia article Andreas van Kuijk first came to the US in 1927. However, according to the "Holland - Amerika Lijn" passenger list he was sent back from New York to the Netherlands on March 20, 1926. He returned home to Rotterdam on the steamship "Veendam". The address he was registered at was Spanjaardstraat 110, Rotterdam. The entry in the passenger list shows the voyage was paid for by the US government. The passenger lists can be viewed online at the Rotterdam Archives. 2001:1C03:612:D500:1D98:44D8:161D:7AE9 (talk) 14:54, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
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