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== Blbliography ==
== Semi-protected edit request on 2 September 2016 ==


Shouldn't the Bibliography include something like:
{{edit semi-protected|John Cleese|answered=yes}}
Daughter, Camilla b: 24 January 1984 - add '24 Jan' to side box.


John Cleese & Connie Booth
Cite , if you like, tweet by JC himself. "John Cleese ‏@JohnCleese 24 Jan 2014
The Complete Fawlty Towers
My beautiful daughter Camilla is celebrating her Birthday today. Happy Birthday BD, I am so proud of you.
Methuen Mandarin 1989
Love Dad xx"
ISBN 0 7493 0159 7
[[Special:Contributions/79.64.2.250|79.64.2.250]] ([[User talk:79.64.2.250|talk]]) 21:39, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' please provide [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:MeowMoon|MeowMoon]] ([[User talk:MeowMoon|talk]]) 23:10, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
::I couldn't find this tweet but Camilla Cleese is his daughter. This has some [[WP:BLPNAME]] issues as the names of children, dates of birth etc are not really needed unless they add significantly to the article.--'''''[[User:ianmacm|<span style="background:#88b;color:#cff;font-variant:small-caps">♦Ian<span style="background:#99c">Ma<span style="background:#aad">c</span></span>M♦</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ianmacm|(talk to me)]]</sup>''''' 05:31, 3 September 2016 (UTC)


There's also an earlier edition (1988), but I don't have any other details, other than that it's published by Methuen.
==Section on career of John Cleese==
Should not the section on John Cleese's career mention how he presented a programme called "John Cleese Presents" which went out on [[BBC Radio Four]] at 9: 30 on a Wednesday morning in May and June 2017?[[User:Vorbee|Vorbee]] ([[User talk:Vorbee|talk]]) 17:28, 14 June 2017 (UTC)


Cheers,
== Website change ==


[[Special:Contributions/115.189.95.100|115.189.95.100]] ([[User talk:115.189.95.100|talk]]) 01:17, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
John's website is now https://www.johncleese.com/ <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Bbeckford|Bbeckford]] ([[User talk:Bbeckford#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bbeckford|contribs]]) </small>


:The purists might say that this is not a book but simply a written collection of the scripts of Fawlty Towers. What do others think.?--'''''[[User:ianmacm|<span style="background:#88b;color:#cff;font-variant:small-caps">♦Ian<span style="background:#99c">Ma<span style="background:#aad">c</span></span>M♦</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ianmacm|(talk to me)]]</sup>''''' 06:50, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
{{edit semi-protected|answered=yes}}
:[[File:Yes check.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Done'''<!-- Template:ESp --> '''[[User:Sam Sailor|Sam]] [[User talk:Sam Sailor|Sailor]]''' 16:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)


Well, it has got an ISBN, so it's probably a book.
==''Albion: The Enchanted Stallion''==
It also has eight pages of black & white photos, with amusing captions.
He was in a 2016 movie called "Albion: Enchanted Stallion" but I couldn't find it in this filmography.<!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Gandrayda|Gandrayda]] ([[User talk:Gandrayda#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gandrayda|contribs]]) 01:19, 9 July 2019 (UTC)</small>
(incidentally, they are not the pictures I would have chosen - for instance, if there had been one illustrating Page 137, The Germans, it would have clarified the point that Basil is being appallingly racist when he 'collides' with the black doctor.)


[[Special:Contributions/115.189.88.127|115.189.88.127]] ([[User talk:115.189.88.127|talk]]) 20:41, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
:[[Albion: The Enchanted Stallion]] doesn't have a Wikipedia article, but it is on IMDb [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4518260/ here]. Cleese plays General Eeder. Based on the IMDb [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4518260/releaseinfo?ref_=ttfc_sa_1 release info], it looks like this might be a [[direct-to-video]] film.--'''''[[User:ianmacm|<span style="background:#88b;color:#cff;font-variant:small-caps">♦Ian<span style="background:#99c">Ma<span style="background:#aad">c</span></span>M♦</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ianmacm|(talk to me)]]</sup>''''' 05:18, 9 July 2019 (UTC)


== Semi-protected edit request on 3 September 2019 ==
== Semi-protected edit request on 22 July 2021 ==


{{edit semi-protected|John Cleese|answered=yes}}
{{edit semi-protected|John Cleese|answered=yes}}
In the '''21st century''' section, paragraph 3, please add a {{tp|citation needed}} tag after the following: {{tq|Also in 2005, a long-standing piece of Internet humour, "The Revocation of Independence of the United States", was wrongly attributed to Cleese.}} -- I cannot find evidence that such a thing exists. Or, add citation if it does.
I'd like to propose that (in section [[John Cleese#Fawlty Towers|''Fawlty Towers'']]):
#Characters [[Manuel (Fawlty Towers)|Manuel]] and [[Polly Sherman|Polly]] ought to be linked to;
#Catchprase (or whatever it's) "''He's from Barcelona...''" ought to be trimmed out - it's unnecessary sidetracking in this there article and sufficiently covered in respective articles about ''[[Fawlty Towers]]'' and Manuel. Thanks. -[[Special:Contributions/90.179.120.43|90.179.120.43]] ([[User talk:90.179.120.43|talk]]) 18:24, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
:[[File:Yes check.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Done'''<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:NiciVampireHeart|<b style="color:black">Nici</b>]][[User talk:NiciVampireHeart|<b style="color:purple">Vampire</b>]][[Special:Contributions/NiciVampireHeart|<b style="color:black">Heart</b>]] 15:10, 7 September 2019 (UTC)


Thanks, [[Special:Contributions/107.15.157.44|107.15.157.44]] ([[User talk:107.15.157.44|talk]]) 01:54, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
== Semi-protected edit request on 18 June 2020 ==
:Deleted the sentence. It didn't add much, if anything, to the article. --John ([[User:Jwy]]/[[User talk:Jwy|talk]]) 02:54, 22 July 2021 (UTC)


== Semi-protected edit request on 4 September 2021 ==
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If someone could remove "voice actor" from his occupations sections, that would be good. It's because the term "Actor" already covers both his live action and voice over work. [[Special:Contributions/2600:1000:B04F:5154:D4AE:DDDD:C5D8:A0DA|2600:1000:B04F:5154:D4AE:DDDD:C5D8:A0DA]] ([[User talk:2600:1000:B04F:5154:D4AE:DDDD:C5D8:A0DA|talk]]) 04:54, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
:[[File:Yes check.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Done'''<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:RandomCanadian|RandomCanadian]] ([[User talk:RandomCanadian|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/RandomCanadian|contribs]]) 20:23, 18 June 2020 (UTC)


== Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2020 ==
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{{edit semi-protected|John Cleese|answered=yes}}
"Voice actor" in the first sentance of the article still hasn't been removed yet, because the term "Actor" already covers both his live action and voice over work. As shown how it should be here: "is an English actor, voice actor, comedian, screenwriter, and producer." to "is an English actor, comedian, screenwriter, and producer. [[Special:Contributions/2600:1000:B039:1953:A076:752:8884:90F5|2600:1000:B039:1953:A076:752:8884:90F5]] ([[User talk:2600:1000:B039:1953:A076:752:8884:90F5|talk]]) 17:15, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
The google synopsis for this page does not include the fact he was in monthly python. The synopsis for all other members of monty python does include this information. Please update Cleese’s bio/synopsis so this information would be included on the google search Wikipedia synopsis [[Special:Contributions/2A02:C7F:F4B9:E000:2596:83ED:1437:D65F|2A02:C7F:F4B9:E000:2596:83ED:1437:D65F]] ([[User talk:2A02:C7F:F4B9:E000:2596:83ED:1437:D65F|talk]]) 17:26, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
*{{done}}: Being a voice actor is a [[subset]] of being an actor.--'''''[[User:ianmacm|<span style="background:#88b;color:#cff;font-variant:small-caps">♦Ian<span style="background:#99c">Ma<span style="background:#aad">c</span></span>M♦</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ianmacm|(talk to me)]]</sup>''''' 17:20, 19 June 2020 (UTC)


*{{not done}}: This is also a can't do, because Wikipedia has no control over how articles appear in search engine results, which are on external websites. [https://imgur.com/a/zYXxuP3 Here] is a screenshot of how it currently appears on Google. What seems to have happened is that they have used the opening paragraph, but chopped it off before it gets to the part about Monty Python.--'''''[[User:ianmacm|<span style="background:#88b;color:#cff;font-variant:small-caps">♦Ian<span style="background:#99c">Ma<span style="background:#aad">c</span></span>M♦</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ianmacm|(talk to me)]]</sup>''''' 17:55, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
== please fix the bang bang link ==


== Smoking cessation edits ==
The "Bang bang!" link should point to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bang_Bang!_(play) <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/151.64.249.221|151.64.249.221]] ([[User talk:151.64.249.221#top|talk]]) 23:21, 30 July 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


An edit has been made to this section changing the.positive effects of the campaign from "half again" to "half". In numeric terms this is changing fron 150% to 50% implying that the cessation advertisements had a negative rather than positive affect. Whilst this might be comically amusing it's not true.
*{{done}}: It was going to the correct article but there was a [[WP:PIPE]]. The article was renamed in February 2020.--'''''[[User:ianmacm|<span style="background:#88b;color:#cff;font-variant:small-caps">♦Ian<span style="background:#99c">Ma<span style="background:#aad">c</span></span>M♦</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ianmacm|(talk to me)]]</sup>''''' 06:28, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

I have reviewed the link cited and it states that there is an overall positive benefit from the adverts.

Please review and correct, or point out that I'm wrong, as i believe it reflects poorly on JC [[Special:Contributions/80.229.39.99|80.229.39.99]] ([[User talk:80.229.39.99|talk]]) 07:46, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

== Part of post-1990 SDP? ==

Is there any sources of him actually being a member of the modern Social Democratic Party? Source shows him speaking at one of the events, but doesn't prove he's a member of said party. [[User:Edwint512|Edwint512]] ([[User talk:Edwint512|talk]]) 15:00, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 1 August 2023 ==

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In the last line of the Politics & Activism subsection, about his anti-smoking campaign:

Change:
"The study found that smokers in regions where the PSAs were broadcast were about half again as likely to have quit at the 18-month follow-up point as those who did not see them, irrespective of the local anti-tobacco campaign."

To:
"The impact on quitting among smokers after 18 months was not statistically significant. However, the study did find a significant impact on relapse avoidance of ex-smokers. Ex-smokers who did not see the PSA were more than twice as likely to relapse than those who were in the PSA broadcast regions."

Justification:
It is erroneously claimed that the conclusion of the referenced study was that smokers in the PSA test group were 50% more likely to quit than those in the control group. The study was not making that claim about quitting among smokers, rather the claim was about the pooled effects on non-smoking among smokers ''and ex-smokers''.

For context, the study interviewed smokers ''and ex-smokers'', and found the pooled adjusted odds ratio on the ''non -smoking'' effect was 1.53 (which includes both those who quit and those who avoided relapsing). The impact on relapse avoidance on ex-smokers was actually the only significant result before pooling (2.21 odds ratio, p value = 0.025), as the impact on quitting among smokers was not statistically significant (1.27 odds ratio, p value = 0.35), thus making the claim in the article false.

You could also essentially quote the study directly - "The effect of the PSA was estimated to have increased the odds of not smoking by 53%, although the confidence interval was wide" - that's nearly direct quote from the results section of the study."

Thanks.

Here is source for the PDF of the actual study:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1748378/pdf/v009p00273.pdf [[User:Whiskeypuck|Whiskeypuck]] ([[User talk:Whiskeypuck|talk]]) 05:38, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp -->. I blockquoted selected bits from the abstract that I thought gave a better sense of the TV campaign's effects, and would be less subject to misinterpretation by lay readers: {{tq|After 18 months, 9.8% of successfully re-interviewed smokers had stopped and 4.3% of ex-smokers had relapsed. [...] There was no evidence of an extra effect of the local tobacco control network when combined with TV media [...] Applying these results to a typical population where 28% smoke and 28% are ex-smokers, and where there would be an equal number of quitters and relapsers over an 18 month period without the campaign, suggests that the campaign would reduce smoking prevalence by about 1.2%.}}
:Feel free to ping me with any objections or additional suggestions. [[User:Xan747|Xan747]] ([[User talk:Xan747|talk]]) 16:38, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

== Another Missing Book … ==

Tired of trying to jump through Wikipedia’s hoops, so here’ s the info. , someone else can take the glory. Written by John Cleese as “Muriel Volestrangler” ( He’s pictured on the cover in drag, as a military person, holding a royal orb.)

”The Golden Skits of Wing Commander Muriel Volestrangler, FRHS & BAR”
1984, Methuen,London ISBN:9780413567901 (Hardback)
[[Special:Contributions/75.106.32.81|75.106.32.81]] ([[User talk:75.106.32.81|talk]]) 02:45, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

*{{done}}--'''''[[User:ianmacm|<span style="background:#88b;color:#cff;font-variant:small-caps">♦Ian<span style="background:#99c">Ma<span style="background:#aad">c</span></span>M♦</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ianmacm|(talk to me)]]</sup>''''' 12:36, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
*:👍 [[Special:Contributions/75.106.32.81|75.106.32.81]] ([[User talk:75.106.32.81|talk]]) 19:37, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 28 December 2023 ==

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Change 'In 2021, Cleese cancelled an appearance at Cambridge University after learning that art historian Andrew Graham-Dixon had been blacklisted by the student union for impersonating Adolf Hitler. His visit to the university was intended to be part of a documentary on wokeism.'


to
== Surname pronunciation ==


In 2021, Cleese cancelled an appearance at The Cambridge Union Society after learning that art historian Andrew Graham-Dixon had been blacklisted by the union for impersonating Adolf Hitler. His visit to the university was intended to be part of a documentary on wokeism.
The article currently gives the pronunciation of Cleese as /kliːz/


Do we have a source for this? Because I've always heard his name as being pronounced /kliːs/


Reason: he wasn't visiting Cambridge University, just the Cambridge Union which is an independent society and charity. He was also not blacklisted by the Student Union (Cambridge SU) - he was blacklisted by the Cambridge Union, which is correctly linked. [[User:Savandwich|Savandwich]] ([[User talk:Savandwich|talk]]) 23:38, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
[[User:Oska|Oska]] ([[User talk:Oska|talk]]) 10:51, 13 January 2021 (UTC)


*{{done}}: The ban on [[Andrew Graham-Dixon]] was imposed by the [[Cambridge Union|Cambridge Union Society]] and nobody else.[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-59237741]--'''''[[User:ianmacm|<span style="background:#88b;color:#cff;font-variant:small-caps">♦Ian<span style="background:#99c">Ma<span style="background:#aad">c</span></span>M♦</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ianmacm|(talk to me)]]</sup>''''' 08:37, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
:I've tried, but I can't get the hang of the phonetic stuff. I would simply say that ''Cleese'' rhymes with ''cease'' and ''geese''. [[User:HiLo48|HiLo48]] ([[User talk:HiLo48|talk]]) 10:56, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 06:09, 20 October 2024



Blbliography

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Shouldn't the Bibliography include something like:

John Cleese & Connie Booth The Complete Fawlty Towers Methuen Mandarin 1989 ISBN 0 7493 0159 7

There's also an earlier edition (1988), but I don't have any other details, other than that it's published by Methuen.

Cheers,

115.189.95.100 (talk) 01:17, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The purists might say that this is not a book but simply a written collection of the scripts of Fawlty Towers. What do others think.?--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:50, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it has got an ISBN, so it's probably a book. It also has eight pages of black & white photos, with amusing captions. (incidentally, they are not the pictures I would have chosen - for instance, if there had been one illustrating Page 137, The Germans, it would have clarified the point that Basil is being appallingly racist when he 'collides' with the black doctor.)

115.189.88.127 (talk) 20:41, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 22 July 2021

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In the 21st century section, paragraph 3, please add a {{citation needed}} tag after the following: Also in 2005, a long-standing piece of Internet humour, "The Revocation of Independence of the United States", was wrongly attributed to Cleese. -- I cannot find evidence that such a thing exists. Or, add citation if it does.

Thanks, 107.15.157.44 (talk) 01:54, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted the sentence. It didn't add much, if anything, to the article. --John (User:Jwy/talk) 02:54, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 4 September 2021

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The google synopsis for this page does not include the fact he was in monthly python. The synopsis for all other members of monty python does include this information. Please update Cleese’s bio/synopsis so this information would be included on the google search Wikipedia synopsis 2A02:C7F:F4B9:E000:2596:83ED:1437:D65F (talk) 17:26, 4 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  •  Not done: This is also a can't do, because Wikipedia has no control over how articles appear in search engine results, which are on external websites. Here is a screenshot of how it currently appears on Google. What seems to have happened is that they have used the opening paragraph, but chopped it off before it gets to the part about Monty Python.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 17:55, 4 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Smoking cessation edits

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An edit has been made to this section changing the.positive effects of the campaign from "half again" to "half". In numeric terms this is changing fron 150% to 50% implying that the cessation advertisements had a negative rather than positive affect. Whilst this might be comically amusing it's not true.

I have reviewed the link cited and it states that there is an overall positive benefit from the adverts.

Please review and correct, or point out that I'm wrong, as i believe it reflects poorly on JC 80.229.39.99 (talk) 07:46, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Part of post-1990 SDP?

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Is there any sources of him actually being a member of the modern Social Democratic Party? Source shows him speaking at one of the events, but doesn't prove he's a member of said party. Edwint512 (talk) 15:00, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 1 August 2023

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In the last line of the Politics & Activism subsection, about his anti-smoking campaign:

Change: "The study found that smokers in regions where the PSAs were broadcast were about half again as likely to have quit at the 18-month follow-up point as those who did not see them, irrespective of the local anti-tobacco campaign."

To: "The impact on quitting among smokers after 18 months was not statistically significant. However, the study did find a significant impact on relapse avoidance of ex-smokers. Ex-smokers who did not see the PSA were more than twice as likely to relapse than those who were in the PSA broadcast regions."

Justification: It is erroneously claimed that the conclusion of the referenced study was that smokers in the PSA test group were 50% more likely to quit than those in the control group. The study was not making that claim about quitting among smokers, rather the claim was about the pooled effects on non-smoking among smokers and ex-smokers.

For context, the study interviewed smokers and ex-smokers, and found the pooled adjusted odds ratio on the non -smoking effect was 1.53 (which includes both those who quit and those who avoided relapsing). The impact on relapse avoidance on ex-smokers was actually the only significant result before pooling (2.21 odds ratio, p value = 0.025), as the impact on quitting among smokers was not statistically significant (1.27 odds ratio, p value = 0.35), thus making the claim in the article false.

You could also essentially quote the study directly - "The effect of the PSA was estimated to have increased the odds of not smoking by 53%, although the confidence interval was wide" - that's nearly direct quote from the results section of the study."

Thanks.

Here is source for the PDF of the actual study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1748378/pdf/v009p00273.pdf Whiskeypuck (talk) 05:38, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. I blockquoted selected bits from the abstract that I thought gave a better sense of the TV campaign's effects, and would be less subject to misinterpretation by lay readers: After 18 months, 9.8% of successfully re-interviewed smokers had stopped and 4.3% of ex-smokers had relapsed. [...] There was no evidence of an extra effect of the local tobacco control network when combined with TV media [...] Applying these results to a typical population where 28% smoke and 28% are ex-smokers, and where there would be an equal number of quitters and relapsers over an 18 month period without the campaign, suggests that the campaign would reduce smoking prevalence by about 1.2%.
Feel free to ping me with any objections or additional suggestions. Xan747 (talk) 16:38, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Another Missing Book …

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Tired of trying to jump through Wikipedia’s hoops, so here’ s the info. , someone else can take the glory. Written by John Cleese as “Muriel Volestrangler” ( He’s pictured on the cover in drag, as a military person, holding a royal orb.)

”The Golden Skits of Wing Commander Muriel Volestrangler, FRHS & BAR” 1984, Methuen,London ISBN:9780413567901 (Hardback) 75.106.32.81 (talk) 02:45, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 28 December 2023

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Change 'In 2021, Cleese cancelled an appearance at Cambridge University after learning that art historian Andrew Graham-Dixon had been blacklisted by the student union for impersonating Adolf Hitler. His visit to the university was intended to be part of a documentary on wokeism.'

to

In 2021, Cleese cancelled an appearance at The Cambridge Union Society after learning that art historian Andrew Graham-Dixon had been blacklisted by the union for impersonating Adolf Hitler. His visit to the university was intended to be part of a documentary on wokeism.


Reason: he wasn't visiting Cambridge University, just the Cambridge Union which is an independent society and charity. He was also not blacklisted by the Student Union (Cambridge SU) - he was blacklisted by the Cambridge Union, which is correctly linked. Savandwich (talk) 23:38, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]