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Guests

I don't really agree that Graham Norton's guests are specifically chosen to appeal to a gay and lesbian audience. He wouldn't have the durability or the ratings he's had if his appeal was just to gay and lesbian viewers. I want to modify that phrase.

Agreed. Most of his guests seem to be heterosexual anyway.

Defect

He then signed a huge contract to defect to the BBC on his return to the UK.

Why isn't defect linking to the right defect (probably the last), but just to the disambiguation page of defect?

TV appearances

Graham also made a cameo appearance on the U.S. show Queer Eye (For The Straight Guy) in one of the episodes set in England.

He also lent his voice to one of the living plastic models in the 2005 series of doctor who, thus making a brief cameo even though only his voice was heard and his body was not seen, so shall i add that into tv appearances?

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There are a lot of unreferenced citations, viz "performance as Father Noel proved a massive hit with viewers", "His Channel 4 programmes have won a record number of comedy awards." etc - some of it also reads like an autobiography. Need a separate article on Scott Michaels

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-==Picture==
-So does anybody ever plan on changing that picture? It's more than a decade old and he frankly looks much better now than he did in '04. My opinion, obviously. I don't contribute to Wikipedia anymore, the bureaucracy ruined it for me, but it would be more appropriate to have an image of 2016 Graham, wouldn't it? I was under the impression that images of people "in their prime" so to say, were reserved for the deceased. [[User:The Cake is a Lie|<font face="Papyrus" color="black">'''The Cake is a Lie'''</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:The Cake is a Lie|<font color="black">T</font>]] / [[Special:Contributions/The Cake is a Lie|<font color="black">C</font>]]</sup> 02:39, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
 ==Guests==
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-==Photo would be nice==
-This article needs a photo. I don't have a photo with full public rights, and I am not sure about the ones you find on online magazines (mostly don't know how to find the source).
-Can anyone help? [[User:Lgriot|Lag]] 13:38, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 == TV appearances ==
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 There are a lot of unreferenced citations, viz "performance as Father Noel proved a massive hit with viewers", "His Channel 4 programmes have won a record number of comedy awards." etc - some of it also reads like an autobiography.
 Need a separate article on Scott Michaels
-== Schooling ==
-I removed the section stating that his school was a 'single sex school'. It may well be true, but I disliked the way someone included that as if to allude something sinister went on there, just because he is gay. It's not relevant to the article in the slightest and does not make a blind bit of difference to anything, IMO. [[User:213.218.238.225|213.218.238.225]] 19:58, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
-== Mugging ==
-i think that this article should include the fact that whilst graham was being mugged years ago he was stabbed and nearly died[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0636218/bio] [[User:Risteard B|Risteard B]] 00:03, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
-If you're going to add it, at least add it in a coherent fashion. When I read it I thought someone had vandalized the article writing that he was dead. IMDB is also not a reliable source. [[User:Ryokashi|Ryokashi]] ([[User talk:Ryokashi|talk]]) 22:27, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
-==Church of Ireland?==
-I'm surprised to read that he is a "member" of ''any'' church, since in his autobiography he says that he had only a very brief relationship with religion, and that as a child. Is the contributor ''sure'' Norton is a member of a church? It seems "so" unlike him. -[[User:88.110.176.254|88.110.176.254]] 09:06, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
-I've removed that bit, since not only in his autobiography but also in the interview linked on the article, he says he's not religious. -[[User:88.110.174.194|88.110.174.194]] 15:41, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
-On this island as in many other parts of the world many people claim to be Protestant, Catholic or whatever but aren't religious. Ireland is full of such people, heck i'm one of them. Unless he has publically said that he left the Church of Ireland and is actively agnostic or Atheist then it should remain. I myself was a member of the Church of Ireland but am publically Atheist. [[User:Mabuska|Mabuska]] ([[User talk:Mabuska|talk]]) 23:20, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
-==Father Ted==
-Do you think the page realy needs the father ted box?
-He only played a minor part and it has only been a smal part of his career.  <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:3.14 etc|3.14 etc]] ([[User talk:3.14 etc|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/3.14 etc|contribs]]){{#if:13:59:14, August 19, 2007 (UTC)|&#32;13:59:14, August 19, 2007 (UTC)}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-It might have been small but he is well remembered for his skits in the three episodes he was in. His character was very likeable in the series. [[User:Mabuska|Mabuska]] ([[User talk:Mabuska|talk]]) 23:22, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
-:His character even has his own page: [[Father Noel Furlong]] —[[User:Ashleyvh|Ashleyvh]] ([[User talk:Ashleyvh|talk]]) 20:19, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
-==Other bits==
-The biography section i want to bring back as i think its important that the fact he was mugged and left for dead and how hard he said it was to grow up a Protestant never mind a gay in Ireland are put back in. [[User:Mabuska|Mabuska]] ([[User talk:Mabuska|talk]]) 14:28, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
-== Birthplace ==
-Norton himself just admitted that he was born in Dublin on the Chris Moyles Show on Radio 1. Where did you guys hear that he was born in County Cork? – [[User:PeeJay2K3|Pee]][[User talk:PeeJay2K3|Jay]] 07:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
-== Carnal Knowledge ==
-I remember Graeme Norton presenting ITV Night Time show Carnal Knowledge, it must have been in the early 90's.  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Footix2|Footix2]] ([[User talk:Footix2|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Footix2|contribs]]) 18:26, 2 January 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-== References to afterelton.com ==
-Please note that http://www.afterelton.com has the following restrictive terms of use and consequently fails [[WP:ELNO]] #7 (restrictive sites):
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-== Sexuality ==
-Is Graham Norton openly gay? The reference given (reference 10) is not a reliable source for this.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/201.230.146.15|201.230.146.15]] ([[User talk:201.230.146.15|talk]]) 22:04, 13 June 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-:It might not be the most pertinent reference, but it's a reliable one. What makes you unhappy about it? Can you be more specific? [[User:Exok|Exok]] ([[User talk:Exok|talk]]) 22:07, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
-::It doesn't state that he is openly gay, it's asking a question about the effects of "openly gay celebrities such as Julian Clary and Graham Norton". The choice of Clary as a the other example, along with the context of the book, suggests that it's really referring to people who are flamboyantly camp, who act in a stereotypically "gay" way in the media. There are plenty of celebrities who make no secret of being gay, but who do not play up to such stereotypes -- they are not mentioned in the question, but the two best known camp British celebrities are. The author of the book presents no citation for Norton being gay, and I suspect it might be just an assumption based on his personal style. Not, perhaps, and unreasonable assumption, but I would only consider someone to be "openly gay" if they have at some time specifically stated that they are, rather than just dropping hints and innuendos. If he is openly gay, there must be other, more direct references out there: interviews, profiles, quotes.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/200.121.17.123|200.121.17.123]] ([[User talk:200.121.17.123|talk]]) 17:45, 14 June 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-:::OK, I've found some better references that actually back up his being gay with quotes and information, rather than referring to him as a "gay celebrity". I don't know which one is the most "reliable source" -- comments? http://www.astabgay.com/KingsOfCamp/GrahamNorton.htm  http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-1240.html/  http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-1295.html/  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/200.121.17.123|200.121.17.123]] ([[User talk:200.121.17.123|talk]]) 17:53, 14 June 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-::::The first of those is definitely a poor source. The other two, coming from the same online news site, lack the authority of a published textbook. I'd prefer the current source over any of them. I don't agree with your assumptions about the author's decision to use Norton as an example of an openly gay man. [[User:Exok|Exok]] ([[User talk:Exok|talk]]) 18:12, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
-::::Actually, I've changed my mind. Reading more of the current source I think you may have a point that it is polemic, attempting to mount an argument about stereotypes. I apologise. Either of the two ''Pink News'' references you've found would be better.[[User:Exok|Exok]] ([[User talk:Exok|talk]]) 18:17, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
-== Name of parents? ==
-Usually in a persons' bio the name of the parents are told.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/213.233.92.150|213.233.92.150]] ([[User talk:213.233.92.150|talk]]) 21:43, 7 April 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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