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== Suggested merging of sections on her presidency ==

Greetings! There are several very well-along sections in her presidency section that have grown very large. The size is fantastic for balance, but I feel too much detail for a biography, which has many many topics to cover. I recommend merging these sections to the presidency page, with nice summations made for her biography page in their stead. I haven't been bold and done it myself, as I imagine it will require care in not repeating what's on the Presidency page in the timeline - I image a veteran editor on these topics would undoubtably do it smoother and more thoughtfully than I could in this case, if there's an agreement over the move. [[User:Yvarta|Yvarta]] ([[User talk:Yvarta|talk]]) 23:24, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

== Good article nomination? Seriously? ==

How can it be that in spite of the continuing discussion about this article's neutrality, user [[User:Cambalachero|Cambalachero]] is nominating it for "good article"? I find it almost funny, the article being practically his own. I mean: every time someone tries to contribute so as to turn it into something that could be called barely neutral, he undoes the contribution, so the ghastly biased thing that it is remains.

Oh, yeah: who removed the POV tag again?
[[Special:Contributions/181.92.117.34|181.92.117.34]] ([[User talk:181.92.117.34|talk]]) 14:05, 24 November 2016 (UTC) <small>— [[{{#if:{{IsIPAddress|181.92.117.34}}|Special:Contributions/|User:}}181.92.117.34|181.92.117.34]] ([[User talk:181.92.117.34|talk]]{{#if:{{IsIPAddress|181.92.117.34}}||&#32;• [[Special:Contributions/181.92.117.34|contribs]]}}) has made [[Wikipedia:Single-purpose account|few or no other edits]] outside this topic. </small>

:The article has been completely re-written since the last discussions, so they are dated now. Before, it only cited reliable sources from Argentina, and ignored the unreliable ones. Now, '''all''' sources are foreign sources. Not Página 12 or El Argentino, but neither Clarín or La Nación. The only exception are the sections that talk about her time before the presidency, as she was not internationally noteworthy back then. By the way, you forgot to sign in. [[User:Cambalachero|Cambalachero]] ([[User talk:Cambalachero|talk]]) 14:38, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

:: That doesn't mean that there isn't a POV issue with the article. It is still written in a biased way (mainly by you). By the way: I didn't sing in because I don't have a user account created; I'm not an editor like you. I'm sorry if you find annoying that anonymous IP's like me object to this article's lack of neutrality. A good way of get rid of us would be to put aside your hatred of CFK, and act accordingly to Wikipedia's guidelines concerning neutrality. [[Special:Contributions/181.92.117.34|181.92.117.34]] ([[User talk:181.92.117.34|talk]]) 14:54, 24 November 2016 (UTC) <small>— [[{{#if:{{IsIPAddress|181.92.117.34}}|Special:Contributions/|User:}}181.92.117.34|181.92.117.34]] ([[User talk:181.92.117.34|talk]]{{#if:{{IsIPAddress|181.92.117.34}}||&#32;• [[Special:Contributions/181.92.117.34|contribs]]}}) has made [[Wikipedia:Single-purpose account|few or no other edits]] outside this topic. </small>

:: I noticed that you edited my original post, singling me as a [[Wikipedia:Single-purpose account|single-purpose account]]. It can be read in the corresponding project page: "... a significant number appear to edit for the purposes of promotion or showcasing their favored point of view, which is not allowed." It is ironic that this is exactly what you're trying to do with this article. [[Special:Contributions/181.92.117.34|181.92.117.34]] ([[User talk:181.92.117.34|talk]]) 15:09, 24 November 2016 (UTC) <small>— [[{{#if:{{IsIPAddress|181.92.117.34}}|Special:Contributions/|User:}}181.92.117.34|181.92.117.34]] ([[User talk:181.92.117.34|talk]]{{#if:{{IsIPAddress|181.92.117.34}}||&#32;• [[Special:Contributions/181.92.117.34|contribs]]}}) has made [[Wikipedia:Single-purpose account|few or no other edits]] outside this topic. </small>

Let's check some of the controversial issues of Kirchner's government.
* Nationalization of the AFJPs: "The nationalization was justified by the president as government protectionism during the crisis, and compared with the bank bailouts in Europe and the United States."
* Inflation: "Although inflation was nearing 25% and on the rise, Boudou did not consider it a significant problem."
* Currency controls: "The government believed the controls were required to prevent the capital flight and tax evasion."
* Nationalization of YPF: "She opted instead to send a bill to Congress for the renationalization of YPF, privatized in 1993, blaming the Spanish company Repsol for the energy trade deficit"
* Conflict with farmers: "The government argued that the new taxes would allow for a better redistribution of wealth, and keep down the food prices. It also claimed the farmers were staging a coup d'état against Kirchner."
* First cacerolazo: "Kirchner dismissed the demonstration, and said that she would continue working as before. Most of the Kirchner loyalists, however, preferred simply to ignore the protest."
* 8N: "Cabinet Chief Juan Manuel Abal Medina said the demonstrators belonged to a class that was against social justice, and compared the demonstrations to a coup d'états. A similar view was held by Kirchner's loyalists."
* Triple crime: "Fernández denied the charges, maintaining that it was a set up to undermine his chances in the 2015 general election"
* The route of the K money: "Báez denied any wrongdoing."
* Relation with the press: "Cristina Kirchner claims that journalistic objectivity does not exist, and that all journalists act on behalf of certain interests. She also justified the lack of press conferences, arguing that it is not important for her administration."
As you can see, the Kirchnerite point of view '''is''' accounted for in this article. Do you have some more specific concern? [[User:Cambalachero|Cambalachero]] ([[User talk:Cambalachero|talk]]) 15:37, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

::: Well, let's see. I believe you're trying move the focus of the discussion. That you include things that CFK and members of her government said about controversial issues doesn't mean that this article isn't biased. For example, reading the aforementioned article citations you can tell that they're written in a biased way. And reading some of the article (because I don't have the time that you seem to have to dedicate to this), I can cite these:

* "Several corruption scandals took place, and she faced several demonstrations against her rule."

Her rule? Oh, yeah: you must think her government was a dictatorship. By the way: she also had several demonstations to support her government, but that's surely not important, because they must have been orchestratred.

* "Her defeat in the 2013 midterm elections prevented an attempt to amend the constitution to allow the president to run for a third term."

She never stated she wanted to do this; it was merely media speculation.

I also noticed that you cite Majul as a source. But shurely not Víctor Hugo Morales, or Sandra Russo, or Horacio Vervitsky, because they're obviously paid propaganda makers.

* "Although forced disappearances were common during the Dirty War, Néstor and Cristina Kirchner never signed any habeas corpus requests."

So? They and how many others?

Does this account as "specific concern"? [[Special:Contributions/181.92.117.34|181.92.117.34]] ([[User talk:181.92.117.34|talk]]) 16:20, 24 November 2016 (UTC) <small>— [[{{#if:{{IsIPAddress|181.92.117.34}}|Special:Contributions/|User:}}181.92.117.34|181.92.117.34]] ([[User talk:181.92.117.34|talk]]{{#if:{{IsIPAddress|181.92.117.34}}||&#32;• [[Special:Contributions/181.92.117.34|contribs]]}}) has made [[Wikipedia:Single-purpose account|few or no other edits]] outside this topic. </small>

Yes, I did try to move the foxus of the discussion: from a generalized rant into specific issues, easier to discuss. The word "rule" in this context makes reference to the tenure of a governor, party or political line; it is not limited to dictatorships. See for example: [http://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/26/argentina-creditors-may-gain-with-end-to-kirchner-rule.html "Argentina creditors may gain with end to Kirchner rule"], [http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/argentina-elects-pro-business-mauricio-macri-after-12-years-of-kirchner-rule-1246437 "Argentina Elects Pro-Business Mauricio Macri After 12 Years of Kirchner Rule"], [http://www.wsj.com/articles/argentines-cast-votes-for-president-1448209335 "The conservative mayor of Buenos Aires, Mauricio Macri, was elected president of Argentina on Sunday, in a win seen as a rejection of departing leader Cristina Kirchner’s interventionist economic policies and a turn to the right after 12 years of leftist rule"], [https://en.tengrinews.kz/politics_sub/Argentina-marks-10-years-of-Kirchner-rule--19705/ "Argentina marks 10 years of Kirchner rule"], etc. It matters little if the project to amend the constitution was announced by Cristina herself or her agents; the project existed, the press considered it that way, and we report things the way the press does. Note that she did not deny it, either. As for Majul, I cited him because his book mentions some info about the Kirchner's early days in the patagonia; not in the really important sections of the article. As for the lack of habeas corpus, it is noteworthy information: as they would turn the remembrance of the dirty war into a government policy, their actual actions during that time is of interest. Besides, they were lawyers back then, they ''could'' have filled those if they wanted to (Alfonsín did it). Hope that this clarifies your concerns and we can move on. [[User:Cambalachero|Cambalachero]] ([[User talk:Cambalachero|talk]]) 17:19, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

:::: The word "rule" is used in a derisive manner; you won't find it in the article about Obama, or about Angela Merkel. The fact that you insist on defending its use is another example of you trying to justify the bias of this article.

:::: It does matter that the project wasn't announced by any member of her government. It was only media speculation. And, in fact, she publicly denied it: [http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1581996-cristina-kirchner-lo-digo-con-todas-las-letras-la-constitucion-deberia-ser-modificada-pero-n "Cristina Kirchner: "Lo digo con todas las letras, la Constitución debería ser modificada, pero no voy a proponer ningún cambio""].


== Semi-protected edit request on 30 December 2022 ==
:::: If you're going to cite Majul, which was openly against her government, cite also another author which wasn't, or cite an author with a more neutral stance regarding her. If you only cite Majul, there's no neutraliy.


{{edit semi-protected|Cristina Fernández de Kirchner|answered=yes}}
:::: Regarding the corpus, I don't think any lawyer would have done it as easily as you cite it. Those were dangerous times; a public figure like Alfonsín was obviously more protected against possible retaliations by the dictatorship than common people like the Kirchners. The fact that this is not mentioned in the article gives the image of certain hypocrisy or double discourse by them, which of course is what you pretend.
Declarada culpable del caso más grande de corrupción jamás investigado en la Argentina:


La vicepresidenta de Argentina, Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, fue declarada culpable de corrupción por un tribunal federal el martes en un caso que se remonta a cuando era presidenta.
:::: Of course that these are only three parts of the article that I considered non neutral, which I chose to put as example. In no way they are the only ones; the whole article is full biased. So if you consider that you have clarified these three doesn't mean that you have clarified the issue of non neutrality. I point this because you have removed the POV tag again and justified it saying that issues were clarified, which is not true. I ask you not to remove the POV tag again. [[Special:Contributions/181.92.117.34|181.92.117.34]] ([[User talk:181.92.117.34|talk]]) 19:58, 27 November 2016 (UTC) <small>— [[{{#if:{{IsIPAddress|181.92.117.34}}|Special:Contributions/|User:}}181.92.117.34|181.92.117.34]] ([[User talk:181.92.117.34|talk]]{{#if:{{IsIPAddress|181.92.117.34}}||&#32;• [[Special:Contributions/181.92.117.34|contribs]]}}) has made [[Wikipedia:Single-purpose account|few or no other edits]] outside this topic. </small>


Los fiscales afirman que, cuando era presidenta, colaboró con otras personas para sustraer cerca de 1.000 millones de dólares procedentes de contratos falsos y de la falsa construcción de 51 proyectos de obras públicas.
:::::See for example [http://www.inquisitr.com/3488167/does-this-mark-the-end-for-angela-merkels-rule/ Does this mark the end for Angela Merkel's rule?] and [https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/merkels-rule-collapses-dont-write-her-off-yet-analysts-say/ar-AAiz8nV 'Merkel's rule collapses'? Don't write her off yet, analysts say]. As you can see, the word "rule" is also used to describe Merkel's term of office. The link you gave does not say what you think it says. Read it again. She says that the constitution should be amended, but that she won't propose the bill. As for Majul, remember that POV is about including all viewpoints, '''not''' about the type of sources used. Is there a viewpoint about Cristina Kirchner's early life that you think is missing? As for the Habeas Corpus, I don't know how many ones were requested, but see [http://www.plazademayo.com/2013/07/11705/ here]. As of December 1977, Eugenio Zaffaroni was rejecting the habeas corpus number 362. That's only 1 year after the coup, and there were still 6 more years on the way. By the way, it was presented by a relative, not by a public figure. And in any case, being a public figure was not really a protection: [[Héctor Germán Oesterheld]] was dissapeared, and [[Carlos Menem]] was kept prisoner for a long time. And, about the template, I explained things, waited for two days, and I understood by your lack of answers that the issue was settled. The POV tag is not a "badge of shame", it is a temporary thing, and if there is some problem in the article the idea is to point it, discuss it and go on. [[User:Cambalachero|Cambalachero]] ([[User talk:Cambalachero|talk]]) 02:17, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|181.92.117.34}}, are you still there? Do you have a reply for the things I have said before? If you don't, I will consider that the issues have been clarified and remove the template. [[User:Cambalachero|Cambalachero]] ([[User talk:Cambalachero|talk]]) 17:39, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
::::::Certainly [[WP:SILENCE]] applies.--'''[[User:Jetstreamer|Jetstreamer]]'''&nbsp;''{{sup|[[User talk:Jetstreamer#top|Talk]]}}'' 21:53, 5 December 2016 (UTC)


Kirchner fue presidenta de Argentina entre 2007 y 2015 y planeó un regreso político en 2019, presentándose como candidata a la vicepresidencia con Alberto Fernández. Kirchner niega cualquier delito y habló justo después del veredicto, diciendo que ella es el objetivo de los jueces, a quienes llamó una mafia que dirige un partido paralelo empeñado en mantenerla fuera del cargo.
The conditions of neutrality have NOT been met. This article should not be considered as a good article. It is marginal at best.[[Special:Contributions/100.42.0.156|100.42.0.156]] ([[User talk:100.42.0.156|talk]]) 05:02, 19 December 2016 (UTC) <small>— [[{{#if:{{IsIPAddress|100.42.0.156}}|Special:Contributions/|User:}}100.42.0.156|100.42.0.156]] ([[User talk:100.42.0.156|talk]]{{#if:{{IsIPAddress|100.42.0.156}}||&#32;• [[Special:Contributions/100.42.0.156|contribs]]}}) has made [[Wikipedia:Single-purpose account|few or no other edits]] outside this topic. </small>


Kirchner no será encarcelada mientras apela el veredicto, lo que podría llevar años.
:You have to provide a detailed, specific and actionable rationale for your concern. "The conditions of neutrality have NOT been met" does not really say anything. [[User:Cambalachero|Cambalachero]] ([[User talk:Cambalachero|talk]]) 13:41, 19 December 2016 (UTC)


Kirchner es una figura polarizadora en Argentina, considerada por sus fieles seguidores como una defensora de los pobres. Otros la culpan de los continuos problemas económicos del país, incluida la inflación, que se espera alcance el 100% a finales de año. [[Special:Contributions/2600:8802:C16:A600:4483:93F8:197D:3017|2600:8802:C16:A600:4483:93F8:197D:3017]] ([[User talk:2600:8802:C16:A600:4483:93F8:197D:3017|talk]]) 17:57, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
== Presidential term ==
:[[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a [[WP:EDITXY|"change X to Y" format]] and provide a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable source]] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:Ïvana|Ïvana]] ([[User talk:Ïvana|talk]]) 18:01, 30 December 2022 (UTC)


== Lead image ==
Hi
{{ping|Cambalachero}} the source is clear. The presidential term ended on 9 december 2015, not on 10 december. Please see the judiciary bill and the rulers website. --[[User:Panam2014|Panam2014]] ([[User talk:Panam2014|talk]]) 21:18, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
{{ping|Joseph Solis in Australia}} --[[User:Panam2014|Panam2014]] ([[User talk:Panam2014|talk]]) 10:00, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
::{{ping|Panam2014}} based on the ruling, her term ended at 24:00 hrs of 9 December 2015, the 24:00 hrs signifies 00:00 hr of the following day thus it is still valid to say that CFK's term ended on 00:00 hr of 10 December 2015. [http://www.cronica.com.ar/article/details/49439/cristina-se-va-a-las-24-del-10-de-diciembre A proof that CFK's term ended on 24 hrs or 0:00 hr of December 10]. [[User:Joseph Solis in Australia|Joseph Solis in Australia]] ([[User talk:Joseph Solis in Australia|talk]]) 13:24, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
:::{{ec}}&nbsp;IMO, 24:00 means 23:59:59 of the same day and 00:00 refers to following day.--'''[[User:Jetstreamer|Jetstreamer]]'''&nbsp;''{{sup|[[User talk:Jetstreamer#top|Talk]]}}'' 13:43, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
::::It is simply a standard to set the inauguration day as both the first day of the new president and the last day of the outgoing president. Note that, if we go for the bill, this rule would have always applied. But in most other cases of presidential transitions (or basically ''all'' other cases), the precise hour when the president ceases to be the president is just a legal technicality that doesn't change anything. This bill only exists because Kirchner tested the limits as it had never been done: had she behaved like any other normal president from elsewhere, her term would have still technically ended at 00:00, but she would still have been a "de facto" president until more or less the 16:00 or 17:00 when she would have handed the symbols, and there would be no discussion about any of this.
::::Note as well that the bill itself is a primary source. And, although the bill is written as if this was the case for all presidential transitions, I'm not aware of any speculation about it setting a jurisprudence that would influence future presidential transitions. Macri will be the president until December 10, 2019 (or 2023 if reelected), "technically" ceasing his term at 00:00 but still being "de facto" president for a handful of hours until he gives the symbols to Vidal, Carrio, Massa or whoever is elected. The standard has not been broken, there's no reason not to stick to it. [[User:Cambalachero|Cambalachero]] ([[User talk:Cambalachero|talk]]) 17:00, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Cambalachero|Joseph Solis in Australia|Jetstreamer}} Hello. I think there is a paradox. I do not know if Cristina Kirchner had agreed to hand over power to Macri, she would have done it on December 9 at 12:00 or 17:00 so before the end of her term or she would have done it the next day. It seems to me that according to the Argentine law, the second option is the only one in conformity with the constitution. In France, François Hollande, whose mandate began on May 15, 2012, will have to surrender power on May 14, 2017 because his term ends on May 15, 2017 at 24:00. In the USA, the presidential term ends on 20 January. In addition, Nestor Kirchner, elected at the beginning of 2003, handed power to his wife on 10 December and not on 9, after completing the mandate of the Rua until 10 December and then began his two terms. --[[User:Panam2014|Panam2014]] ([[User talk:Panam2014|talk]]) 19:19, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
::::::Unfortunately, we are not discussing the law, which is pretty clear. The matter here is when she effectively handed over the Presidency. Actually, [[Federico Pinedo]] took office in the meantime. I think that should also be taken into account--'''[[User:Jetstreamer|Jetstreamer]]'''&nbsp;''{{sup|[[User talk:Jetstreamer#top|Talk]]}}'' 22:57, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
:::::::{{ping|Jetstreamer}} have you got a source ? --[[User:Panam2014|Panam2014]] ([[User talk:Panam2014|talk]]) 19:49, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
::::::::A source for what? For Pinedo being the president half a day or so?--'''[[User:Jetstreamer|Jetstreamer]]'''&nbsp;''{{sup|[[User talk:Jetstreamer#top|Talk]]}}'' 20:08, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::{{ping|Jetstreamer}} for that Kirchner's term ends on 10 December. --[[User:Panam2014|Panam2014]] ([[User talk:Panam2014|talk]]) 21:45, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::{{ping|Cambalachero|Joseph Solis in Australia|Jetstreamer} your source said that CFK was not president at noon. --[[User:Panam2014|Panam2014]] ([[User talk:Panam2014|talk]]) 17:13, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
The source in the article is clear, the term finished December 9th. Provide another source (not just an opinion) before changing again the date. [[Special:Contributions/128.179.253.75|128.179.253.75]] ([[User talk:128.179.253.75|talk]]) 19:27, 19 February 2017 (UTC) <small>— [[Special:Contributions/128.179.253.75|128.179.253.75]] ([[User talk:128.179.253.75|talk]]) has made [[Wikipedia:Single-purpose account|few or no other edits]] outside this topic. </small>
:As I said, the judicial ruling is a primary source. --[[User:Cambalachero|Cambalachero]] ([[User talk:Cambalachero|talk]]) 21:31, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
:: So? [[Special:Contributions/128.179.252.253|128.179.252.253]] ([[User talk:128.179.252.253|talk]]) 00:00, 20 February 2017 (UTC) <small>— [[Special:Contributions/128.179.252.253|128.179.252.253]] ([[User talk:128.179.252.253|talk]]) has made [[Wikipedia:Single-purpose account|few or no other edits]] outside this topic. </small>
::: See [[Wikipedia:No original research]] [[User:Cambalachero|Cambalachero]] ([[User talk:Cambalachero|talk]]) 14:00, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
:::: "A primary source may only be used on Wikipedia to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge." So? [[Special:Contributions/128.179.254.184|128.179.254.184]] ([[User talk:128.179.254.184|talk]]) 19:07, 21 February 2017 (UTC)


There is some discussion over the image to use as lead image. Although there is no written policy, the usual criteria is (as long as we have free images to choose from) to use an image that shows how does the person look like nowadays if the person is alive, and one of how the person looked at the climax of his career once the person dies. For example, if memory serves [[:File:Fidel Castro 2009.jpg]] was the lead image of [[Fidel Castro]], replaced by [[:File:Fidel Castro - MATS Terminal Washington 1959.jpg]] when he died. [[User:Cambalachero|Cambalachero]] ([[User talk:Cambalachero|talk]]) 13:52, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
== Vulture funds ==


== GA concerns ==
Where has [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?oldid=684411200&diff=prev this edit] gone? --[[User:Mhhossein|<span style="font-family:Aharoni"><span style="color:#002E63">M</span><span style="color:#2E5894">h</span><span style="color:#318CE7">hossein</span></span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Mhhossein|<span style="color:#056608">'''talk'''</span>]]</sup> 23:15, 4 February 2017 (UTC)


I am concerned that this article no longer meets the [[WP:GA?|good article criteria]] because of the unresolved orange banners about needing updates and NPOV language on her image. Is anyone willing to resolve these concerns, or should this go to [[WP:GAR]]? [[User:Z1720|Z1720]] ([[User talk:Z1720|talk]]) 19:47, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
:That info is present, although in a rewritten form, in the second paragraph of the "Foreign policy" section. --[[User:Cambalachero|Cambalachero]] ([[User talk:Cambalachero|talk]]) 01:33, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
::[[User:Cambalachero|Cambalachero]]: Yes. But I see nothing about "Vulture funds" and "[[Economic terrorism]]". --[[User:Mhhossein|<span style="font-family:Aharoni"><span style="color:#002E63">M</span><span style="color:#2E5894">h</span><span style="color:#318CE7">hossein</span></span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Mhhossein|<span style="color:#056608">'''talk'''</span>]]</sup> 13:02, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
:::The hedge funds are mentioned in the economic policy section, and the use of conspiracy theories to explain mistakes as attacks from others in the public image section. --[[User:Cambalachero|Cambalachero]] ([[User talk:Cambalachero|talk]]) 13:27, 5 February 2017 (UTC)


==GA Reassessment==
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Latest revision as of 07:02, 20 October 2024

Former good articleCristina Fernández de Kirchner was one of the Social sciences and society good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
July 6, 2017Good article nomineeListed
September 23, 2024Good article reassessmentDelisted
On this day...Facts from this article were featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "On this day..." column on October 28, 2009, October 28, 2010, October 28, 2018, and October 28, 2022.
Current status: Delisted good article

Semi-protected edit request on 30 December 2022

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Declarada culpable del caso más grande de corrupción jamás investigado en la Argentina:

La vicepresidenta de Argentina, Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, fue declarada culpable de corrupción por un tribunal federal el martes en un caso que se remonta a cuando era presidenta.

Los fiscales afirman que, cuando era presidenta, colaboró con otras personas para sustraer cerca de 1.000 millones de dólares procedentes de contratos falsos y de la falsa construcción de 51 proyectos de obras públicas.

Kirchner fue presidenta de Argentina entre 2007 y 2015 y planeó un regreso político en 2019, presentándose como candidata a la vicepresidencia con Alberto Fernández. Kirchner niega cualquier delito y habló justo después del veredicto, diciendo que ella es el objetivo de los jueces, a quienes llamó una mafia que dirige un partido paralelo empeñado en mantenerla fuera del cargo.

Kirchner no será encarcelada mientras apela el veredicto, lo que podría llevar años.

Kirchner es una figura polarizadora en Argentina, considerada por sus fieles seguidores como una defensora de los pobres. Otros la culpan de los continuos problemas económicos del país, incluida la inflación, que se espera alcance el 100% a finales de año. 2600:8802:C16:A600:4483:93F8:197D:3017 (talk) 17:57, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Ïvana (talk) 18:01, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lead image

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There is some discussion over the image to use as lead image. Although there is no written policy, the usual criteria is (as long as we have free images to choose from) to use an image that shows how does the person look like nowadays if the person is alive, and one of how the person looked at the climax of his career once the person dies. For example, if memory serves File:Fidel Castro 2009.jpg was the lead image of Fidel Castro, replaced by File:Fidel Castro - MATS Terminal Washington 1959.jpg when he died. Cambalachero (talk) 13:52, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA concerns

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I am concerned that this article no longer meets the good article criteria because of the unresolved orange banners about needing updates and NPOV language on her image. Is anyone willing to resolve these concerns, or should this go to WP:GAR? Z1720 (talk) 19:47, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Reassessment

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Cristina Fernández de Kirchner

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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Result: Delisted. Charlotte (Queen of Hearts • talk) 23:41, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are two orange banners in the article: an "update needed" banner from 2022, and a "NPOV" banner for the "Image" section from 2021. Z1720 (talk) 20:43, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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