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I don't see Joyce Carol Oates' book "Pursuit" listed with the others. I believe it was pulished in 2019. 2603:7080:A03D:ECE4:3DCC:D36A:9581:B714 (talk) 00:45, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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-Hello, I recently pasted two sources discussing some anti-LGBTQA+ comments Oates recently (October 2021) made. She continues to double-down on her support for actions against trans and non binary people. [[WP:NOR]] dissuades from quoting directly from the source,so I found alternatives, but her actual quotes are present in the articles. Please stop reverting the edits. A public figure who uses a public forum should be held accountable for what they say. [[Special:Contributions/142.118.18.61|142.118.18.61]] ([[User talk:142.118.18.61|talk]]) 19:41, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
+I don't see Joyce Carol Oates' book "Pursuit" listed with the others. I believe it was pulished in 2019. [[Special:Contributions/2603:7080:A03D:ECE4:3DCC:D36A:9581:B714|2603:7080:A03D:ECE4:3DCC:D36A:9581:B714]] ([[User talk:2603:7080:A03D:ECE4:3DCC:D36A:9581:B714|talk]]) 00:45, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
-:Let's look at the two sources you cited. The Salon one is at [https://www.salon.com/2021/10/09/dave-chappelle-terf-transphobia-joyce-carol-oates/]. It has two paragraphs about Oates's tweets where she is against the use of the "singular they" for grammatical reasons. And then they point out (without linking) that she was claiming to be a victim. The next paragraph talks about the backlash. Not a single mention is made about Oates being anti-LGBTQ which means it does not support the claim you made.
-:The next source is from Queerty [https://www.queerty.com/joyce-carol-oates-sees-jk-rowlings-transphobia-raises-attack-nonbinary-people-20211006]. According to the source, Oates tweeted, "'they' will not become a part of general usage, not for political reasons but because there would be no pronoun to distinguish between a singular subject (“they”) & a plural subject (“they”). language seeks to communicate w/ clarity, not to obfuscate; that is its purpose." Basically the same claim as in the Salon article. Later on in the article Queerty states, "she’s happy to use “they/them” pronouns when talking to non-binary people, and she was just trying to spark an “academic” discussion". And then later retweets this, "No one in the real world uses this. It’s impracticable. It’s just a very small percentage that even discuss it on Twitter. These people are stuck in their own bubbles. I have nothing against it. But basically It’s a commodity online to create conversation and attention." with the ensuing backlash. Nothing in the Queerty confirms the claim that Oates is ant-LGBTQ+. Not only is the violation of [[WP:BLP]] but at best is an example of OP reading into what happened which would make it original research [[WP:OR]].
-:If there's something I missing in these sources then please point it out. But right now I don't see anything supporting Oates being anti-LGBTQ+ in these articles at the high level required for inclusion in Wikipedia, especially when dealing with biographies of living people where the standards are very high (again, please read [[WP:BLP]]). [[User:SQGibbon|SQGibbon]] ([[User talk:SQGibbon|talk]]) 23:37, 18 November 2021 (UTC)