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JESUS! Talk about a prolific writer! Is she considered an "A-List" writer by academics and the literary establishment or a bit sub-par? --[[User:205.188.117.8|205.188.117.8]] 08:25, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

: That depends on who you talk to. She is often brought up by among some as a good canadidate for the next American Nobel laureate for literature, but that has been the speculate since before [[Toni Morrison]] received hers. Other, in the camp to which I belong, find her work of a passable but not great quality. However, she has received some critical acclaim, including a National Book Award for the novel ''[[Them (novel)|them]]'', The PEN/Malamud Award for Excellence. Oprah brought to a large audience with choosing ''[[We Were the Mulvaneys]]'' for he book club. --[[User:Chemica|chemica]] 05:39, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

:She is certainly an A-list writer by anyone's estimation. In addition to being a perennial Nobel candidate, she is also nominated all the time for every major literary award, including an unheard-of two-book nomination in 2008 for the National Book Critics Circle Award. Perhaps Wikipedia can reach out to the people at the Celestial Timeline (not sure this is right) page and ask them to help sharpen this entry. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/72.241.103.122|72.241.103.122]] ([[User talk:72.241.103.122|talk]]) 07:06, 16 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

This IP [[64.113.69.215]] has been repeatedly vadalizing this page [[User:Falcon4196|Falcon4196]] 03:21, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Gore Vidal line: What are the three saddest words in the English language? Joyce Carol Oates. [[Special:Contributions/87.84.248.99|87.84.248.99]] ([[User talk:87.84.248.99|talk]]) 15:41, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::One more reason to dislike Gore Vidal.[[User:Lestrade|Lestrade]] ([[User talk:Lestrade|talk]]) 15:30, 17 June 2011 (UTC)Lestrade

:She has tremendous standing with many influential critics and with a wide readership all over the world. Vidal was probably being jealous. Of course some of her choice of subject matter and her unflinching way of writing, and of confronting or investigating sexism, class prejudice/conflict and racism, are sometimes controversial, not least in her native country. If she'd been European (English or other) much more of her work would have been adapted for tv and movies, and she might even have been asked to write original screenplays, but the way she shapes her literary world flies in the face of Hollywood and US tv dramaturgy (while she is not in any sense a cheap agitator). IMO she writes incredibly good dialogue, would make a terrific script writer.
:As pointed out already in the article, she is often bet to be the next U.S. Nobel Prize winner for Literature, and it's relatively safe to say she will live on as a classic of post-war American literature and remain widely read and appreciated for many decades from now. [[User:Strausszek|Strausszek]] ([[User talk:Strausszek|talk]]) 11:32, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

::The Nobel Committee has a policy according to which "everybody gets a turn." If JCO's ethnic category has already been awarded the prize, then she will have to wait until every other has their chance. At present, the next in line are a male from Brazil, a transgender from American Samoa, and a female from Syria.[[User:Lestrade|Lestrade]] ([[User talk:Lestrade|talk]]) 20:49, 23 January 2012 (UTC)Lestrade

==page edit==
This article is turgid, particularly the intro, and there's lots of uncited material, red links and overall it seems to need some work. Anyone object if I do it?
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== Landfill controversy ==

In 2006, Joyce Carol Oates was criticized for writing a short story based on the real life death of a New Jersey college student.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/10/books/11oates.html

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/15228015/ns/today-entertainment/t/joyce-carol-oates-criticized-over-story/

The article currently doesn't mention this. Should it? [[User:Zeromus1|Zeromus1]] ([[User talk:Zeromus1|talk]]) 05:40, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I'd like someone to please give some advice about this, because if I add this information to the article I'm not sure where it should go. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Zeromus1|Zeromus1]] ([[User talk:Zeromus1|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Zeromus1|contribs]]) 00:27, 24 August 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

I added these sources to the article, but I'm having trouble making the citation look the way it should. Could someone else put it in whatever format it's supposed to be in? [[User:Zeromus1|Zeromus1]] ([[User talk:Zeromus1|talk]]) 00:14, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

== Non-existent award ==

An IP just removed a non-existent award from the '''Select awards and honors''' section. 'The Will Smith Willenium Award for clever wordplay' had been listed in [[Joyce Carol Oates|this article]] since November, 2012! And as misinformation in Wikipedia will, it had spread. The diff of the insertion is here[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Joyce_Carol_Oates&oldid=525508660]. - [[User:Neonorange|Neonorange]] ([[User talk:Neonorange|talk]]) 01:15, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 11 June 2015 ==

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[[Special:Contributions/174.28.219.78|174.28.219.78]] ([[User talk:174.28.219.78|talk]]) 03:43, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

:Hi, can you provide a [[WP:REF|citation]]? --[[User:Jeremyb-phone|Jeremyb]] ([[User talk:Jeremyb-phone|talk]]) 03:53, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

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== Twitter ==

The use of Twitter by Joyce Carol Oates, which has attracted significant comment from respected newspapers such as ''The Guardian'', is affecting her reputation. This public activity is entirely relevant any article wanting to give a rounded picture of her work, views, and reputaiton. The short section reflecting this is:

Oates is a regular poster on Twitter, leading to her account being described as "infamous" and "the #1 self-parody account on Twitter." <ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.newsweek.com/2015/12/18/joyce-carol-oates-shares-her-twitter-secrets-399318.html |title=Joyce Carol Oates Shares the Secrets of her Twitter Game|date=November 30, 2013 |author=Schonfeld, Zac|publisher=Guardian.com |accessdate=August 8, 2017}}</ref> Besides ridicule ("this is the way many younger people now see Joyce Carol Oates: an older woman with a bad Twitter account"), she has been criticised for her "position of near-total cultural insensitivity".<ref>{{cite web |url=http://lithub.com/is-joyce-carol-oates-trolling-us/ |title= IsJoyce Carol Oates Trolling Us?|date=Oct 5, 2016 |author=Thurm, Eric|publisher=Lithub.com |accessdate=August 8, 2017}}</ref> She has drawn particular criticism for the perceived Islamophobia of her tweets.<ref>{{cite web |url=https://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/jul/08/joyce-carol-oates-twitter-egypt-islam |title=Joyce Carol Oates sparks Twitter storm over Egypt remarks |date=July 8, 2013 |author=Bury, Liz |publisher=Guardian.com |accessdate=August 8, 2017}}</ref><ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.salon.com/2013/07/05/joyce_carol_oatess_islamophobic_tweets/ |title=Joyce Carol Oates’s Islamophobic tweets |date=July 6, 2013 |author=Gupta, Prachi|publisher=Salon.com|accessdate=August 8, 2017}}</ref>

Someone removes this as being "plagiarism." It is a ridiculous assertion. It includes of very short, clearly sourced quotations. It can only be that the person doing this is trying to control the article for particular purposes. Stop it. [[User:Starple|Starple]] ([[User talk:Starple|talk]]) 20:26, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
: Please don't assume the intentions of other editors. [[User:S806|S806]] ([[User talk:S806|talk]]) 23:01, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
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== Bad source/ageism and sexism ==
I would like to remove, or edit this piece in the twitter section.

Besides ridicule ("this is the way many younger people now see Joyce Carol Oates: an older woman with a bad Twitter account"), she has been criticised for her "position of near-total cultural insensitivity".

It appears to be a clear violation of [[WP:NPOV]]. Also, the source is very dubious. I don't think the source for that will pass [[WP:RS]]. Not only that, but it appears to be ageist and sexist. [[User:S806|S806]] ([[User talk:S806|talk]]) 23:00, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

: Removing that section based on the above banner
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: my curiosity about sources in this regard is using A Widow’s Story The last week of a long marriage as a source since the subject wrote it herself, wiki is supposed to use secondary sources to cut down on bias ( I suppose), and that without that source the whole third paragraph of personal life could be reduced to " after the death of her husband she immediately move on."


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== NPOV ==


I don't see Joyce Carol Oates' book "Pursuit" listed with the others. I believe it was pulished in 2019. [[Special:Contributions/2603:7080:A03D:ECE4:3DCC:D36A:9581:B714|2603:7080:A03D:ECE4:3DCC:D36A:9581:B714]] ([[User talk:2603:7080:A03D:ECE4:3DCC:D36A:9581:B714|talk]]) 00:45, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
[[User:Neonorange]] The twitter section has had many issues with it because it's a [[WP:BLP]] especially with [[WP:NPOV]]. Currently, there is text saying "leading to her account being described as 'infamous' and 'the #1 self-parody account on Twitter.'". This is clearly not NPOV, it's a commentary not by a news article, but by an interviewer from an interview. It should be removed, because it is contentious and possibly libelous about a living person. Because this is BLP, we have to be careful. [[User:S806|S806]] ([[User talk:S806|talk]]) 14:10, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
:+1 good catch, [[User:Sadads|Sadads]] ([[User talk:Sadads|talk]]) 14:31, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
::The Graf could be better written, but the subject is not inherently POV-non neutral-undue. There is more than one source listed; the actual ''Guardian'' source is good and the ''long'' interview in ''Salon'' is good, the ''Sun Herald'' is ok. What you've done is remove and characterization of the impact of her tweets. ''And'', after reversion, rereverted rather than discussing on the talk page. Getting ''one'' approval is not a discussion. This is not the way BRD works; it's not BDReRevert. The bets practice would be to develop consensus by discussing alternatives. I'm ok with the current state, but only during a discussion here. And please remove the publisher from the sentence, it's just a factoid. [[User:Neonorange|Neonorange]] ([[User talk:Neonorange|talk]]) 19:32, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
::: What would you describe 'the #1 self-parody account on Twitter' as? Do you think that is NPOV? It is literally taken from a blog that the interviewer quoted https://jezebel.com/lets-all-think-of-some-fun-tight-things-about-isis-for-1744178634 The "infamous" quote is literally taken from the comment section of theguardian website https://www.theguardian.com/books/live/2015/sep/03/joyce-carol-oates-webchat-the-lost-language The source is very clearly dubious, and as I said before possibly libelous. [[User:S806|S806]] ([[User talk:S806|talk]]) 01:39, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
::: It honestly doesn't matter. BLP says contentious/libelous and poorly sourced information MUST be taken down immediately. [[User:S806|S806]] ([[User talk:S806|talk]]) 01:40, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

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I don't see Joyce Carol Oates' book "Pursuit" listed with the others. I believe it was pulished in 2019. 2603:7080:A03D:ECE4:3DCC:D36A:9581:B714 (talk) 00:45, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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