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Adam Smith quote

I propose inclusion of this quote from Smith: “it is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest”. This may go on the "Views on greed" section, alongside the current Smith quote. Forich (talk) 19:27, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is that really relevant? Doing something that benefits others because you also benefit isn't greed by the normal definition, and that particular quote doesn't seem relevant to the earlier Smith quote. Iapetus (talk) 12:42, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Correction of Improper Edit

On January 3, 2024, I undid revision 1101468075 by 136.32.202.18 (user has no talk page)

In my original text, I mentioned a print by Antwerp printmaker Pieter van der Heyden (c. 1530 - after March 1572), specifying the date of the work to be 1558 and referencing the Metropolitan Museum of Art which had assigned that date.

On July 31, 2022 the use at IP 136.32.202.18 made a single change to the article: the print's origin date was changed to 1828, while the artist and the reference were left untouched. This appears to be deliberate, as it required multiple erroneous keystrokes to accomplish, and places the result more than 250 years after the artist's demise. As such, it is almost certainly a hoax and likely should be considered vandalism.

This is the sole user contribution recorded for 136.32.202.18. I have taken no further action Ethnic laundry (talk) 16:32, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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+== Adam Smith quote ==
-==Merely a modern and marxist view on greed==
+I propose inclusion of this quote from Smith: “it is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest”. This may go on the "Views on greed" section, alongside the current Smith quote. [[User:Forich|Forich]] ([[User talk:Forich|talk]]) 19:27, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
-There are other definitions of greed which stem from much older beliefs. To non-marxists, greed is living at the expense of others (socialism, for example). Greed is also often viewed as the will obtain material possessions by using violent aggression (statism). There are many opposing views of greed. This article represents only one of them, and a depraved one at that.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.187.248.215|76.187.248.215]] ([[User talk:76.187.248.215|talk]]) 08:44, 22 July 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+:Is that really relevant?  Doing something that benefits others because you also benefit isn't greed by the normal definition, and that particular quote doesn't seem relevant to the earlier Smith quote.  [[User:Wardog|Iapetus]] ([[User talk:Wardog|talk]]) 12:42, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
-An example of benign meaning for greed is on this etymology site: http://en.allexperts.com/q/Etymology-Meaning-Words-1474/Avarice-vs-Greed.htm#b
-"Greed, on the other hand, carries a more benign association in that it's related to appetite and therefore could be nuanced as an uncontrollable thing.  YOU ARE AFOOL DAMN IT.each word covers.  Greed specifically referred to food and therefore gluttony where as avarice referred to particularly money and possessions, but in medieval literature it was also used regarding people who held knowledge, power, authority, and/or information closely."  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/195.137.115.172|195.137.115.172]] ([[User talk:195.137.115.172|talk]]) 12:40, 18 October 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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-The pirate Hendrick does not sound like an example of greed, but rather the extreme irrationality of the criminal mind.  Equating greed with the idea of taking property by force is wrong. Greed, being a desire for more, implies nothing about morality. One can feel greed to have more and implement that desire by working hard and earning more, or by entering a life of crime.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/195.137.115.172|195.137.115.172]] ([[User talk:195.137.115.172|talk]]) 12:55, 18 October 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+== Correction of Improper Edit ==
-==Article quality==
+On January 3, 2024, I undid revision 1101468075 by 136.32.202.18 (user has no talk page)
-This thing needs a stub warning/thingie on it.
+In my original text, I mentioned a print by Antwerp printmaker Pieter van der Heyden (c. 1530 - after March 1572), specifying the date of the work to be '''1558''' and referencing the Metropolitan Museum of Art which had assigned that date.
-This entry seems more like something Gordon Gekko would say than a serious discussion on avarice and greed.
-: Indeed. It's also written from a uniquely US perspective: "''the desire to acquire wealth has been understood as indispensable for economic prosperity''" etc. [[User:84.48.58.93|84.48.58.93]] 18:44, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
+On July 31, 2022 the use at IP 136.32.202.18 made a single change to the article: the print's origin date was changed to '''1828''', while the artist and the reference were left untouched.  This appears to be deliberate, as it required multiple erroneous keystrokes to accomplish, and places the result more than 250 years after the artist's demise.  As such, it is almost certainly a [[Wikipedia:Do not create hoaxes|hoax]] and likely should be considered [[Wikipedia:Vandalism|vandalism]].
-Agreed.  This whole thing could be rewritten to be much more interesting and make more sense; it's pretty random as it is.  "the desire to acquire wealth has been understood as indispensable for economic prosperity- this is the trickle-down theory"?  That has nothing to do with the trickle-down theory.  --[[User:JdwNYC|JdwNYC]] 02:58, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
+This is the sole user contribution recorded for 136.32.202.18.  I have taken no further action
-:I agree that it should be a stub. It also deserves a POV warning. It is rare that an article qualifies for both at the same time.
+[[User:Ethnic laundry|Ethnic laundry]] ([[User talk:Ethnic laundry|talk]]) 16:32, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
-Why do you think that this article is bias?  I am new, and I would like to be better acquanted with the POV rules.
-:Oi Moderator these guys are right "''the desire to acquire wealth has been understood as indispensable for economic prosperity''" is nonsense [[User:86.111.169.120|86.111.169.120]] 21:56, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
-Try not to remove the add-on of "staple of the American people" bit. It's wholly accurate. [[User:Sweetandy|Sweetandy]] 20:23, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
-== skull + money photo ==
-i've taken out this ridiculous photo ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:US_cash_and_skull.jpg ).  if anyone can provide a reasonable rationale why it belongs on a page about greed i'd be happy to see it back. [[User:Dyukanon|Dyukanon]] 03:51, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
-:It highlights the lengths that one would go to in order to acquire money, therefore showing greed through possessional desire, in this case, money, specifically USD. Although it may seem a bit over the top and dramatic, it still encapsulates the popular perspective of greed, to work and live for money and wealth. 18:30, 1 February 2007 (EDT)
-==Avarice vs Greed==
-Seems odd that avarice should redirect to greed, when the article for greed does not even mention the word avarice. I might be mistaken, but I thought avarice, not greed, was the "deadly sin".  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/82.10.108.49|82.10.108.49]] ([[User talk:82.10.108.49|talk]]) 21:32, 10 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-They are the same thing. [[User:Lord Holy Ono|His royal majesty, Lord Holy Ono]] ([[User talk:Lord Holy Ono|talk]]) 23:49, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
-:Is that a fact? I may be in the wrong, but I believe greed usually refers to an excessive desire to have more, while avarice rather means (I think) being a miser, i.e. excessively unwilling to spend or share one's wealth. Though the meanings are related, they are not the same. For instance, somebody who is rich, not getting richer but spending just enough to survive is guilty of avarice rather than greed...
-:The article currently emphasizes the unnecessary acquisition of wealth rather than the unnecessary hoarding of wealth. But it is interesting to note that the list of capital sins in various European languages usually contain a word implying (my possibly misguided definition of) avarice rather than greed. [[User:Ratfox|Ratfox]] ([[User talk:Ratfox|talk]]) 03:09, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
-:: "Avarice" is the French word for "greed" (check in a dictionary if you don't believe me). Both words describe rigorously the same thing. "Avarice" came to English through Old French from the Lation "avaritia" itself deriving from the adjective "avarus" which means "greedy" ("avare" in French).
-:: Do take note that although in English "avarice" and "greed" mean the same thing, there's a slight difference with the word "cupidity".   —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/77.57.12.119|77.57.12.119]] ([[User talk:77.57.12.119|talk]]) 18:07, 10 September 2008 (UTC)<!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-== Capitalism ==
-I think this article needs a section about greed and capitalism, like including the arguments of the right side and maybe some references to Gordon Gecko. I'm just to lazy to write it myself.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/80.213.98.86|80.213.98.86]] ([[User talk:80.213.98.86|talk]]) 20:48, 2 June 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-:The capitalism viewpoint was already given when I arrived. I added a reference to GeKKo and the movie. [[User:Ratfox|Ratfox]] ([[User talk:Ratfox|talk]]) 03:31, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
-== Greed ==
-What is greed?  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/218.186.12.222|218.186.12.222]] ([[User talk:218.186.12.222|talk]]) 08:32, 11 December 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-== Theology is too restricted a view on Greed ==
-I added a paragraph that intended to add an unbiased view on greed based on psychology and economics, but it was deleted. Please don't make theology the only reference for this complex concept. Thank you.  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:One analyst|One analyst]] ([[User talk:One analyst|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/One analyst|contribs]]) 16:55, 19 April 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-[[Special:Contributions/75.176.122.188|75.176.122.188]] ([[User talk:75.176.122.188|talk]]) 19:58, 14 October 2009 (UTC)greed comes from selfcentered minds ~SOUP
-==An entry for Corporate Greed ==
-I am rather surprised in this day and age that you do not have an entry for '''Corporate Greed''', especially since this is what has caused the recent world recession. What is interesting is that it is undermining not only democracy and the capitalist ethos but also has massive implications environmentally now. Corporate greed may have indirectly undermined the Copenhagen talks on the Earth's atmosphere. Corporate greed is responsible for the way that may people's job security has been undermined in almost every institution so that the corporation maximises profits for shareholders and CEOs -- so called cutting of costs by slashing jobs. We need a definition of corporate greed now! Cheers~sber  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/124.121.95.240|124.121.95.240]] ([[User talk:124.121.95.240|talk]]) 03:20, 17 January 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-== Removed "class=disambig" ==
-I don't believe this article is a disambiguation-class article (anymore?). If there's something I'm missing, please roll my change back and explain it to me. &mdash;[[User:Merc64|Merc64]] ([[User talk:Merc64|talk]]) 22:33, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
-I wonder if greed is condition for the human race to exist. Is all civilizations had greed as the the main spring board for their conquests? What would be the "measurement" for wanting? If greed was the responsible for our progresses, it can also be our demise.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/122.149.168.38|122.149.168.38]] ([[User talk:122.149.168.38|talk]]) 07:29, 3 October 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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