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What is the point of this Anglo propaganda?

The article says: "Baloch separatists argue they are economically marginalised and poor compared to the rest of Pakistan. China has invested $46 billion in the region."

Then quote an Anglo news as a source and proceed to say nothing with nothing. What is the point of this propaganda? What do they want to imply with this traditional Machiavellian narrative?

Why doesn't the article say how much the Anglo empires "invested" or literally stole from this region in all their invasions and centuries of colonialism? Of course the "free" CIApedia does not allow editions...

TotallyHonestAnglo (talk) 00:14, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Can you explain what precisely was "stolen" from Balochistan? Sand perhaps? — kashmīrī ^TALK 02:32, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

hello kashmiri , Oil and other minerals have been stolen from baluchistan including natural gas , a recent example is the reko diq mineral reserves. GamerHashaam (talk) 08:55, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Insurgency in Balochistan

Insurgency in Balochistan 223.123.115.154 (talk) 09:42, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

LeB isn’t active anymore

The Lashkar-e-Balochistan group isn’t active anymore, it might have just been around in 2012 but it’s inactive currently. BLUF also probably isn’t active anymore. Please add these changes. Hammad4567 (talk) 19:39, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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+== What is the point of this Anglo propaganda? ==
-==India==
+The article says:
+''"Baloch separatists argue they are economically marginalised and poor compared to the rest of Pakistan. China has invested $46 billion in the region."''
+Then quote an Anglo news as a source and proceed to say nothing with nothing.
+What is the point of this propaganda? What do they want to imply with this traditional Machiavellian narrative?
+Why doesn't the article say how much the Anglo empires "invested" or literally stole from this region in all their invasions and centuries of colonialism?
+Of course the "free" CIApedia does not allow editions...
+[[User:TotallyHonestAnglo|TotallyHonestAnglo]] ([[User talk:TotallyHonestAnglo|talk]]) 00:14, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
-{{ping|Kashmiri}} Your "better source" [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Insurgency_in_Balochistan&diff=999308972&oldid=999307983 here] is not exactly a better but same as all others that we have seen until now. Pakistan's own government or their representatives claiming that India is supporting Balochistan insurgency is far from being a third party reliable source. [[User:Abhishek0831996|Abhishek0831996]] ([[User talk:Abhishek0831996|talk]]) 10:25, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
+:Can you explain what precisely was "stolen" from Balochistan? Sand perhaps? — [[User:Kashmiri|<span style="color:#30c;font:italic bold 1em 'Candara';text-shadow:#aaf 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em;">kashmīrī</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Kashmiri|<sup style="color:#80f;font:'Candara';">TALK</sup>]] 02:32, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
-== India supports Baloch insurgents ==
+::hello kashmiri , Oil and other minerals have been stolen from baluchistan including natural gas , a recent example is the reko diq mineral reserves.  [[User:GamerHashaam|GamerHashaam]] ([[User talk:GamerHashaam|talk]]) 08:55, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
+== Insurgency in Balochistan ==
-India should be listed as a supporter for Baloch insurgents.
-https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/southasia/2016/09/05/india-must-remember-that-balochistan-is-not-bangladesh/
-https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-32604137
-https://thediplomat.com/2018/01/what-the-kulbhushan-jadhav-saga-reveals-about-india-and-pakistans-balochistan-problems/  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.117.185.160|70.117.185.160]] ([[User talk:70.117.185.160#top|talk]]) 01:47, 11 October 2021 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+Insurgency in Balochistan [[Special:Contributions/223.123.115.154|223.123.115.154]] ([[User talk:223.123.115.154|talk]]) 09:42, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
-== Low-Intensity Insurgency ==
+== LeB isn’t active anymore ==
-{{ping|AnM2002}} {{ping|OrientIs}} {{ping|Farewells}} I would like to make an argument to classify the insurgency in Balochistan as currently low-intensity, rather than edit warring we should talk about the issue here. My argument for the insurgency of Balochistan being [[Low-Intensity conflict|low-intensity]] is because excluding that word implies there is conventional warfare, with organized structure and frontlines, as defined by the very own Wikipedia article on insurgency. This is not happening on any large scale in the province. The insurgency in Balochistan is below the scale of a conventional war, classifying it as low-intensity. While there has been an uptick in attacks, as per [https://www.satp.org/datasheet-terrorist-attack/fatalities/pakistan-balochistan SATP], the numbers are still far below those seen in the early 2010s. If the numbers go up to those seen in the early 2010s, or if there is verifiable proof of proper conventional war taking place (like did in KPK with the TTP a decade ago), then I say we should change the article to "insurgency" proper status -- [[User:Abbasi786786|Abbasi786786]] ([[User talk:Abbasi786786|talk]]) 14:38, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
-:Your [[WP:OR|own assessment]] is not going to supersede the data from multiple reliable sources,[https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2022/02/08/baloch-insurgency-and-continued-tale-of-apathy-and-violence/][https://gandhara.rferl.org/a/pakistan-balochistan-violence-conflict-military-separatists/31695168.html] which clearly state that the insurgency has been intensified. [[User:Orientls|Orientls]] ([[User talk:Orientls|talk]]) 12:14, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
-:: {{ping|Orientls}} This is not my "own assessment". These are definitions stating what a "low-intensity" conflict is.
-:: As defined by [[Low-intensity conflict|Wikipedia]], a "low-intensity conflict" is:
-::{{blockquote|A low-intensity conflict (LIC) is a military conflict, usually localised, between two or more state or non-state groups which is below the intensity of conventional war. It involves the state's use of military forces applied selectively and with restraint to enforce compliance with its policies or objectives.}}
-:: And as defined by the United States government:
-::{{blockquote|a political-military confrontation between contending states or groups below conventional war and above the routine, peaceful competition among states. It frequently involves protracted struggles of competing principles and ideologies. Low-intensity conflict ranges from subversion to the use of the armed forces. It is waged by a combination of means, employing political, economic, informational, and military instruments. Low-intensity conflicts are often localized, generally in the Third World, but contain regional and global security implications.}}
-::You'll notice both of these definitions explicitly state that low-intensity conflicts are below the scale of full-scale conventional warfare, which involves proper organized groups and not random terrorist attacks like the situation in Balochistan (or for example Indian-controlled Kashmir). There must be frontlines, organization and command etc.
-::Moreover, yes, there has been an uptick in incidents, which was noted above in my first argument. However, that does not take away that the uptick is slight relative to numbers seen even in the mid-2010s, and furthermore is not at any level of conventional warfare involving frontlines or organization and command, which is the most important factor in defining an insurgency as low-intensity. -- [[User:Abbasi786786|Abbasi786786]] ([[User talk:Abbasi786786|talk]]) 18:22, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
-:::This is clearly your "own assessment", not used by any [[WP:RS]] in relation to this insurgency. '''[[User:Aman.kumar.goel|Aman Kumar Goel]]''' <sup>(''[[User talk:Aman.kumar.goel|Talk]]'')</sup> 02:42, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
-::::{{ping|Aman.kumar.goel}} What specific parts of the above post have not used direct reliable sources? I am providing dictionary definitions of "low-level conflict" and "low-level insurgency", and nobody here seems to have any sources that contradict the fact that the insurgency is low-level, not having frontlines or well-defined forces, rather instead there is a military on one side and several disorganized terrorist organizations on the other (the fact that there was a small uptick in incidents is irrelevant to classification as a "low-level" insurgency, the focus of this discussion). If you have any reliable sources showcasing that there is conventional warfare going on or anything that does not classify as "low-level", I'll be willing to back down. -- [[User:Abbasi786786|Abbasi786786]] ([[User talk:Abbasi786786|talk]]) 02:57, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
-:::::You are throwing definitions that haven't been used by any reliable sources for disputing the fact that insurgency in the region has revived to a high level. If you have some reliable source which can cite to debunk the recent reliable sources then show them but don't use your own analysis to dispute the reliable sources unless they are clearly misleading. '''[[User:Aman.kumar.goel|Aman Kumar Goel]]''' <sup>(''[[User talk:Aman.kumar.goel|Talk]]'')</sup> 06:10, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
+The Lashkar-e-Balochistan group isn’t active anymore, it might have just been around in 2012 but it’s inactive currently. BLUF also probably isn’t active anymore. Please add these changes. [[User:Hammad4567|Hammad4567]] ([[User talk:Hammad4567|talk]]) 19:39, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
-== The insurgency on balochistan ==
+== Related article (merge?) ==
-Any thing which u known [[Special:Contributions/182.183.224.98|182.183.224.98]] ([[User talk:182.183.224.98|talk]]) 17:10, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
+Recently an article has been created: [[Baloch genocide]]. I don't know a lot about the topic, but it looks like it overlaps a lot with this article in explaining the history of the war, and a lot of it should probably be merged. [[User:Mrfoogles|Mrfoogles]] ([[User talk:Mrfoogles|talk]]) 15:53, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
-== Infobox ==
+:I would not suggest merging this with that since This goes a lot back to 1948 and colonial era while the genocide article is from 2002-onwards.
-A lot of contentious additions of state support for the insurgency have been done to the infobox. We don't usually put such allegations in ibs ([[WP:EXCEPTIONAL]]), a similar issue was raised at [[Talk:Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan]] with no consensus so far. The only ones which seem reliable to a degree are for the obsolete Baathist Iraq and Communist Afghanistan. The rest have been argued here in the archives/at the TTP talk page and don't appear to have clear weight <small>(SYNTH refs/OR is observable for the recently defunct AF govt)</small>. I will be removing the section per above (the latter for no-consensus and the former for obsolete relevance). [[User:Gotitbro|Gotitbro]] ([[User talk:Gotitbro|talk]]) 14:42, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
+:Rather a Sectionon the Genocide could be added to this article. [[User:GamerHashaam|GamerHashaam]] ([[User talk:GamerHashaam|talk]]) 16:27, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
-:Also, {{t|Infobox military conflict}} does not have a support/allies param (unlike say {{t|Infobox militant organization}}) and it is not standard practice to deliberately wikitext non-combatants, though some users do keep repeating that. [[User:Gotitbro|Gotitbro]] ([[User talk:Gotitbro|talk]]) 14:57, 31 March 2022 (UTC)