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LOL. THAT pompous French nonsense ... <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2.103.107.57|2.103.107.57]] ([[User talk:2.103.107.57#top|talk]]) 15:50, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Didn't find what I was looking for here == |
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20110130 by Pandion: I just viewed "Upstream" a 1927 silent film directed by John Ford at the NY premiere at the Museum of the Moving Image, Astoria, NY of the restored print found in the New Zealand Film Archives . The handout for the screening said that John Ford directed over 60 silent titles and only about dozen films survive. I would like to add this to the opening sentence of this article if no objects. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Pandion|Pandion]] ([[User talk:Pandion|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pandion|contribs]]) 02:53, 31 January 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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One tiny mention about Ford's use of shadows. Well at least it is acknowledged I guess. Problem as I see it is that the man's work is still communicating with the audience and the extensive history and Hollywood/industry info. in the article is necessary too, the reasons for the fact that this guy's work is still touching people today should be given a little more attention.[[User:TeeVeeed|TeeVeeed]] ([[User talk:TeeVeeed|talk]]) 21:31, 8 July 2017 (UTC) |
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:Silent movies were made on cellulose nitrate (basically gunpowder) until safety film was invented in 1951, and I've read reports that 50% of all films made before 1950 were lost or destroyed. [[Special:Contributions/63.192.100.202|63.192.100.202]] ([[User talk:63.192.100.202|talk]]) 21:45, 20 February 2012 (UTC) |
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In "The Searchers" the medal that John Wayne gives to Debbie at the beginning of the movie is the Order of St. Sava medal, a Serbian decoration established in 1883. The scene in the movie takes place in 1868 and the medal is supposed to be from John Wayne's time in Mexico after the Civil War. Why would John Ford, who was an Admiral in the Navy, use the wrong medal? Does the medal have a symbolic significance? The medal is light blue and white, like Aunt Martha's costume, does this signify that Natalie Wood is actually John Wayne's daughter in the movie? Where is the medal nowadays? [[Special:Contributions/63.192.100.202|63.192.100.202]] ([[User talk:63.192.100.202|talk]]) 21:54, 20 February 2012 (UTC) |
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As he was a practising Catholic,[5][not in citation given] the Ford marriage lasted until his death, although he had many extramarital relationships.[6] |
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== Religious scruples, and lack thereof == |
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So, why did the Catholic ban on (or, more to the point, non-recognition of) divorce apply, but the Catholic ban on extra-marital sex never seemed to bother him in the slightest? I think we need a citation that demonstrates the marriage thing was important to him but the other thing was not. At the moment, it reads like we've just made it all up. -- [[User:JackofOz|<font face="Papyrus">Jack of Oz</font>]] [[User talk:JackofOz#top|<font face="Papyrus"><sup>[Talk]</sup></font>]] 12:45, 11 October 2012 (UTC) |
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:I've altered that as it's not clear his religion relates to his sticking to the marriage. She was apparently non-Catholic and divorced when they married. Possibly her previous marriage didn't count according to the Church of the time, but it still might have been doable for him to annul such a marriage. Also he reportedly stated he was "Catholic, but not very Catholic." All that said there have been Catholics, some of the [[Kennedy family]] come to mind, who had a bigger problem with divorce than adultery. This can maybe be justified via the faith. In Catholicism remarriage after divorce is considered adultery or polygamy because marriage is for life. All forms of adultery can be forgiven though if you end the adultery, repent, and try never to do it again. However that means the way to repent of being "remarried after divorce" is to end your "serial polygamy" marriage and either renew your valid marriage or never remarry as long as your valid spouse lives. That can be more complicated than just ending an affair. Also a second marriage after divorce would mean a marriage outside the Church and before Vatican II even attending a non-Catholic marriage was sort of a folk-taboo among many Catholics. So taking that together some may have felt adultery was still "wrong" but less wrong as it was easier to get out of it and didn't run the risk of you engaging in heretical or heathen ceremonies. (Because I'm assuming a Kennedy or what not would not be thinking of life-long celibacy after a divorce. If you don't remarry I think divorce was acceptable, or non-existent, but I doubt that's what we mean) I've read stories of divorced Catholics, in older times, who would "shack up" with people rather than marry them and I guess it's because one is forgivable but the other was seen as essentially abandoning the faith outright. Although it strikes me, a Catholic, as fairly weird too.--[[User:T. Anthony|T. Anthony]] ([[User talk:T. Anthony|talk]]) 22:30, 14 June 2013 (UTC) |
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I was sceptical of the O'Hara cite, so I checked it on Amazon's preview. It is there in black and white! Whether it is ''true'', or some misunderstanding or vindictiveness on O'Hara's part is irrelevant (for the purpose of inclusion). I don't know if reliable sources have commented on her claim. If they have, they can also be included, but as things stand I see no reason for [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=John_Ford&curid=280738&diff=517700028&oldid=517698556 this entry] to be (repeatedly) removed in its entirity. |
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The [http://books.google.ie/books?id=aSzmWVnKc-QC&q=rumors#v=snippet&q=rumors&f=false Gallagear cite] is more oblique, and especially when combined with O'Hara, might fall foul of [[WP:SYNTH]]. Some rephrasing or trimming might be in order, but the O'Hara claim stands. [[User:RashersTierney|RashersTierney]] ([[User talk:RashersTierney|talk]]) 09:20, 14 October 2012 (UTC) |
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== Practicing catholic == |
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I have a couple problems with this: |
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:As he was a practising Catholic,[5][not in citation given] the Ford marriage lasted until his death, although he had many extramarital relationships.[6] |
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The citation given for "As he was a practising Catholic" does in fact say that. But I have two other problems with the statement. One is the synthesis that being a practicing Catholic resulted in his marriage lasting until death. The other is that I'm not convinced adherents.com counts as a reliable source. Comments? [[User:Kendall-K1|Kendall-K1]] ([[User talk:Kendall-K1|talk]]) 13:14, 5 December 2012 (UTC) |
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The article should mention that most of his films are widely seen as racist. ([[Special:Contributions/81.159.6.100|81.159.6.100]] ([[User talk:81.159.6.100|talk]]) 04:01, 29 December 2017 (UTC)) |
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:: Most critics say he exposed racism. 1) "My position is that Ford was neither a radical reformer nor a racist. While Ford believed in equal rights for all human beings, he was also making films the settings of which, both in time and place, often demanded a depiction of racist behavior. " [Stowell, ''John Ford''] 2) "By 1937 the NAACP had drifted from suppression toward awarding favorable citation to movies such as John Ford's Hurricane which contained antiracist messages" [Cripps 1977]; 3) "A hymn to America's nomadic soul, The Searchers is also Ford's great meditation on its troubled racist history. " [Jim Kitses - 2007]; 4) "The image of Wayne standing apart from the family that greets him serves as a springboard for Ford's harshest view of the West, which is seen as a hotbed of racist attitudes" [Jay Carr, 2002]; 5) "Ironically, Ford is frequently charged with racism, jingoism and militarism by critics who mistake his subject for his attitude. This upset Ford no end. " [Walter Wagner, 1975]. 6) "This is evident in John Ford's The Searchers, a seminal western in that it confronts the genre's racist legacy and offers a powerful interrogation of the entire mythology. " [J Brown, 2012]. [[User:Rjensen|Rjensen]] ([[User talk:Rjensen|talk]]) 05:56, 29 December 2017 (UTC) |
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== Missing: Ford's masterpiece == |
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The article, although very long, tells a detailed sequence of events but sort of skips over the heavy influence that John Ford's work had on film. Nowhere is it mentioned, for instance, whether any particular work is considered a masterpiece (or perhaps a masterpiece of his Western style, etc.) |
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==Personality section== |
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The Personality section is very long with lots of detail, but very few sources. Can someone provide them to avoid deletion of the offending material? I do not doubt its veracity, but the article still needs to conform to WP policy.[[User:Ashmoo|Ashmoo]] ([[User talk:Ashmoo|talk]]) 10:52, 17 April 2023 (UTC) |
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[edit]LOL. THAT pompous French nonsense ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.103.107.57 (talk) 15:50, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]One tiny mention about Ford's use of shadows. Well at least it is acknowledged I guess. Problem as I see it is that the man's work is still communicating with the audience and the extensive history and Hollywood/industry info. in the article is necessary too, the reasons for the fact that this guy's work is still touching people today should be given a little more attention.TeeVeeed (talk) 21:31, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
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The article should mention that most of his films are widely seen as racist. (81.159.6.100 (talk) 04:01, 29 December 2017 (UTC))
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Missing: Ford's masterpiece
[edit]The article, although very long, tells a detailed sequence of events but sort of skips over the heavy influence that John Ford's work had on film. Nowhere is it mentioned, for instance, whether any particular work is considered a masterpiece (or perhaps a masterpiece of his Western style, etc.)
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[edit]The Personality section is very long with lots of detail, but very few sources. Can someone provide them to avoid deletion of the offending material? I do not doubt its veracity, but the article still needs to conform to WP policy.Ashmoo (talk) 10:52, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
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