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I see that you did some research in your answer below...
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"(UTC)YES YOU ARE ALMOST RIGHT IT IS IN FACT ZIGGY MARLEY COVERING THE SONG HOTEL CALIFORNIA. NOTICE THE SUBTLENESS IN HIS VOICE AS WITH HIS FATHERS.ALSO IT WAS IN A WOODSTOCK ARTICLE. LELLOW@AOL.COM"
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However, I also googled and found the page you are referring to. No where in the page could I find a direct statement that Ziggy Marley covered this song. Did I miss something? I am most concerned because if you google "Ziggy Marley Hotel California" the google summary returns..
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So did you post your answer based on the summary from google? If so I am not sure this is 100% proof that it was Ziggy Marley that did this song (although I will say it is compelling evidence). bh


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Another theory is that, like in other popular songs, California (or in this case the "Hotel California") represents death.
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:I second that "Huh." I want to know in what other popular songs California represents death. 06:66, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)


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::I don't know that California represents death in other songs or even this song, but '''The Hotel California''' seems to me to be a logical allegory for death: "...You can check in anytime you want, but you can never leave..." Drugs make sense for this too, however. --[[User:CannotResolveSymbol|CannotResolveSymbol]]<sup>[[User talk:CannotResolveSymbol|T]]</sup> 04:52, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
==Personnel==
Would it be better if the personnel was narrowed down further, with Glenn on 'acoustic 12-string rhythm guitar', Don F on 'electric 12 and 6 string lead guitar', and Joe on 'electric lead guitar'? [[Special:Contributions/106.68.153.211|106.68.153.211]] ([[User talk:106.68.153.211|talk]]) 16:04, 11 April 2017 (UTC)


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I suggest calling this an allegory rather than a metaphor. Any seconds? [[User:Theaterfreak64|Theaterfreak64]] 06:57, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
In the "Recordings" section, there is the phrase:


"the record company was reluctant to release it as a single because of the length of song which is over six minutes long, far exceeding the standard length of songs played by radio stations"
I have downloaded a song that purports to be a Bob Marley cover of "Hotel California", and which does rather sound like his voice, though not really his style. Can anyone confirm that he has covered the song? Anybody know of any reggae covers by somebody who could be mistaken for Bob Marley? [[User:TUF-KAT|Tuf-Kat]] 05:06, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)YES YOU ARE ALMOST RIGHT IT IS IN FACT ZIGGY MARLEY COVERING THE SONG HOTEL CALIFORNIA. NOTICE THE SUBTLENESS IN HIS VOICE AS WITH HIS FATHERS.ALSO IT WAS IN A WOODSTOCK ARTICLE. LELLOW@AOL.COM


This feels clumsy. I'd like to suggest that it is amended to:
CannotResolveSymbol, I think the song actually goes "..You can check '''out''' any time you like, but you can never leave..." I always thought it was about a brothel, and everyone I spoke to agreed. I am surprised to find absolutely nothing about this idea here. [[User:Carter Somerville|Carter Somerville]] 05:02, 30 November 2005 (UTC)


"the record company was reluctant to release it as a single because, at over six minutes, its duration far exceeds that of the songs generally played by radio stations" [[User:Stephenallsopp|Stephenallsopp]] ([[User talk:Stephenallsopp|talk]]) 11:14, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
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==See also==
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The chord progression for the chorus is listed as "G–D–Em–Bm–G–D–Em–F♯". I believe the 3rd chord in that progression is actually an F#. http://www.chordie.com/chord.pere/www.xguitar.com/guitar-tabs/eagles/hotel_california/hotel_california.txt
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:[[File:Yes check.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Done'''<!-- Template:ESp --> Good catch. The source already cited in the relevant passage confirms your contention (as does a quick listen). [[User:Rivertorch|<span style="color:#339933;">'''Rivertorch'''</span>]]<small><small>[[Special:Contributions/Rivertorch|<sup style="color:#FF0066;">FIRE</sup>]][[User talk:Rivertorch|<sub style="color:#0066FF;">WATER</sub>]]</small></small> 13:45, 10 August 2017 (UTC)


== Semi-Protected edit request on 05 September 2017: Error in chorus chord progression ==
See also "[[m:Hotel Wikipedia|Hotel Wikipedia]]". <code>:^)</code> &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mxn|Minh Nguyễn]] <small class="plainlinks">([[User talk:Mxn|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Mxn|contribs]], [http://mxn.f2o.org/index.html blog])</small> 05:15, 3 November 2005 (UTC)


The recent edit to the chorus chord progression resulting in the updated progression of G-D-F#-Bm-G-D-Em-F# introduced an error to the Roman numeral representation of the chorus chord progression. The F# should be represented by "III" (the Roman numeral 3) rather than "ii" (lower case Roman numeral 2, which represented Em in the earlier version of the chord progression). [[User:Jkcncwiki|Jkcncwiki]] ([[User talk:Jkcncwiki|talk]]) 14:07, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
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I could agree with both theories, the one about the drug addiction's metafor and the one about the brothel, despite, in my opinion the second one is too obvious. Anyway, I'd like too know the meaning of a part of the song, which I think would help...


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"And she said ’we are all just prisoners here, of our own device’
And in the master’s chambers,
They gathered for the feast
The stab it with their steely knives,
But they just can’t kill the beast"


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== Seems the core of this song was taken from [[Jethro Tull (band)]] ==

I don't have the guts to take on the fans and put it in the composition section. The Eagles even toured with Tull and listening to the Tull song 'We Used To Know' is where they got the foundations of Hotel California it seems. <ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xny0Uj4--tk</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EBQ-ljFlt4</ref>

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:The music was written entirely by Don Felder who was not yet in the band when the Eagles and Jethro Tull toured together. So that part doesn't work. [[User:Bob Caldwell CSL|Bob Caldwell CSL]] ([[User talk:Bob Caldwell CSL|talk]]) 14:02, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

==Gold Record==

"Three months after its first release, the single was certified Gold by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), representing one million copies shipped."

A Gold Record is 500,000 sales.

https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/about-awards/
: It was one million at the time. The certified units has changed over the years. For example, gold for digital single was only 100,000 before 2006. [[User:Hzh|Hzh]] ([[User talk:Hzh|talk]]) 01:47, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 March 2019 ==

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Hi- I work the Digital Marketing for Don Felder and he simply would like to update his photo. I've just uploaded the new photo to WikiCommons. Links below.

[[File:Don Felder.jpg|thumb|Don Felder Hotel California]]
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Don_Felder.jpg

Please let us update the photo. It is harmless. Thank you! [[User:Mattwcoh|Mattwcoh]] ([[User talk:Mattwcoh|talk]]) 17:40, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
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== Galgalatz's 1970s Top 100 ==

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Hotel California ranked the third place in 2019 [[Galgalatz]]'s 1970s Top 100 chart <ref>{{cite web|url=https://glz.co.il/%D7%92%D7%9C%D7%92%D7%9C%D7%A6/%D7%AA%D7%95%D7%9B%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%95%D7%AA/%D7%9E%D7%A6%D7%A2%D7%93-%D7%94%D7%A2%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%A8-%D7%A9%D7%A0%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%94-70|title=מצביעים מחדש למצעד עשור ה-70|work=Galgalatz|accessdate=17 August 2019|language=he}}</ref>. We should add it to the charts' paragraph in the article. [[User:Galgalaz2019|Galgalaz2019]] ([[User talk:Galgalaz2019|talk]]) 09:41, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
: {{not done}} I'm afraid this chart is on [[WP:BADCHARTS]] due to being a single network chart and incorporating user voting. --[[User:Muhandes|Muhandes]] ([[User talk:Muhandes|talk]]) 13:24, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
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== The song has inspired a novel - worth including? ==

I don't have the rights to edit this entry, so I thought I'd just mention the Ray Sullivan novel by the same name which posits a hypothetical island where old rock stars go when they've had enough of mainstream life. It's a good novel, btw. Link is: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07K7XC5BZ <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Deceangli|Deceangli]] ([[User talk:Deceangli#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Deceangli|contribs]]) 10:25, 18 October 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:A self-published book by a non-notable author is trivial. - <span style="color:#D70270;background-color:white;">Sum</span><span style="color:#734F96;background-color:white;">mer</span><span style="color:#0038A8;background-color:white;">PhD</span><sup>[[User talk:SummerPhDv2.0|v2.0]]</sup> 16:14, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

== Unusual Recordings of this Song ==

A few years ago, a pair of ''Hassidic'' singers swept Israel in a local reality show. Early in the contest they sang Hotel California. I thought somebody might find this interesting and pretty cool, actually.

https://www.mako.co.il/tv-the-next-star/video?subChannelId=c1c7d52c20902410VgnVCM2000002a0c10acRCRD&vcmid=b5f1828f871e1410VgnVCM2000002a0c10acRCRD

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==Rock==

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please change ((Rock)) to ((Rock music|Rock))
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== Soft rock? ==

The claim that it is the song is "soft rock" is sourced to an article that mentions it as a throw-away remark in a minor South African newspaper, I don't see how this can be used as credible source for the genre of the song. I think simply listing it as "rock" for its genre is good enough - e.g. here - [https://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/soldonsong/songlibrary/hotelcalifornia.shtml], any other qualifier is superfluous, and the "soft rock" should therefore be removed. [[User:Hzh|Hzh]] ([[User talk:Hzh|talk]]) 20:19, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

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Personnel

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Would it be better if the personnel was narrowed down further, with Glenn on 'acoustic 12-string rhythm guitar', Don F on 'electric 12 and 6 string lead guitar', and Joe on 'electric lead guitar'? 106.68.153.211 (talk) 16:04, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 23 July 2017

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In the "Recordings" section, there is the phrase:

"the record company was reluctant to release it as a single because of the length of song which is over six minutes long, far exceeding the standard length of songs played by radio stations"

This feels clumsy. I'd like to suggest that it is amended to:

"the record company was reluctant to release it as a single because, at over six minutes, its duration far exceeds that of the songs generally played by radio stations" Stephenallsopp (talk) 11:14, 23 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Done jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 17:06, 23 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 10 August 2017

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The chord progression for the chorus is listed as "G–D–Em–Bm–G–D–Em–F♯". I believe the 3rd chord in that progression is actually an F#. http://www.chordie.com/chord.pere/www.xguitar.com/guitar-tabs/eagles/hotel_california/hotel_california.txt — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dan asc (talkcontribs) 9:58, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Done Good catch. The source already cited in the relevant passage confirms your contention (as does a quick listen). RivertorchFIREWATER 13:45, 10 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-Protected edit request on 05 September 2017: Error in chorus chord progression

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The recent edit to the chorus chord progression resulting in the updated progression of G-D-F#-Bm-G-D-Em-F# introduced an error to the Roman numeral representation of the chorus chord progression. The F# should be represented by "III" (the Roman numeral 3) rather than "ii" (lower case Roman numeral 2, which represented Em in the earlier version of the chord progression). Jkcncwiki (talk) 14:07, 5 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Hi - I'll make copyedits as I go (please revert if I inadvertently change the meaning) and jot queries below Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:17, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Casliber: So what's up with the review?
Got sidetracked. Will get onto it soon. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:04, 16 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
..and gave Don Henley and Glenn Frey each the resulting demo cassette. - "a" cassette each surely? actually "a resulting cassette" sounds odd too. "a copy of the recording"?
I fixed that. I think the song can be promoted now, if there aren't any other issues you feel need to be addressed.
who had replaced Bernie Leadon who left in 1975 - sounds odd with the two "who"s
...and the record company was reluctant to release it as a single because, at over six minutes, its duration far exceeds that of the songs generally played by radio stations - "exceeds" should be in past tense as everything else is in the sentence. Also "as a single" redundant as implied by the first part of the sentence.
Can "B Dorian" be linked anywhere?
Although the band members and Phillips met to discuss the project, tension between the two parties ended the pre-development deal for the film - left hanging...can this be elaborated upon?
@Casliber: I fixed all the problems you discussed and found no Wikipedia article for "B Dorian".
Earwigs looks ok, first one is a mirror, and others are inflated scores due to quotes. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:52, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Seems the core of this song was taken from Jethro Tull (band)

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I don't have the guts to take on the fans and put it in the composition section. The Eagles even toured with Tull and listening to the Tull song 'We Used To Know' is where they got the foundations of Hotel California it seems. [1][2]

Reaper7 (talk) 21:55, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

The music was written entirely by Don Felder who was not yet in the band when the Eagles and Jethro Tull toured together. So that part doesn't work. Bob Caldwell CSL (talk) 14:02, 31 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Gold Record

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"Three months after its first release, the single was certified Gold by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), representing one million copies shipped."

A Gold Record is 500,000 sales.

https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/about-awards/

It was one million at the time. The certified units has changed over the years. For example, gold for digital single was only 100,000 before 2006. Hzh (talk) 01:47, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 March 2019

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Hi- I work the Digital Marketing for Don Felder and he simply would like to update his photo. I've just uploaded the new photo to WikiCommons. Links below.

File:Don Felder.jpg
Don Felder Hotel California

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Don_Felder.jpg

Please let us update the photo. It is harmless. Thank you! Mattwcoh (talk) 17:40, 4 March 2019 (UTC)  Not done - Which Image needs doing Mattwcoh? RhinosF1(chat)(status)(contribs) 17:51, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Galgalatz's 1970s Top 100

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Hotel California ranked the third place in 2019 Galgalatz's 1970s Top 100 chart [1]. We should add it to the charts' paragraph in the article. Galgalaz2019 (talk) 09:41, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done I'm afraid this chart is on WP:BADCHARTS due to being a single network chart and incorporating user voting. --Muhandes (talk) 13:24, 30 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "מצביעים מחדש למצעד עשור ה-70". Galgalatz (in Hebrew). Retrieved 17 August 2019.

The song has inspired a novel - worth including?

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I don't have the rights to edit this entry, so I thought I'd just mention the Ray Sullivan novel by the same name which posits a hypothetical island where old rock stars go when they've had enough of mainstream life. It's a good novel, btw. Link is: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07K7XC5BZ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deceangli (talkcontribs) 10:25, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A self-published book by a non-notable author is trivial. - SummerPhDv2.0 16:14, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Unusual Recordings of this Song

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A few years ago, a pair of Hassidic singers swept Israel in a local reality show. Early in the contest they sang Hotel California. I thought somebody might find this interesting and pretty cool, actually.

https://www.mako.co.il/tv-the-next-star/video?subChannelId=c1c7d52c20902410VgnVCM2000002a0c10acRCRD&vcmid=b5f1828f871e1410VgnVCM2000002a0c10acRCRD

Steve — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sweisberg (talkcontribs) 10:05, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Rock

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please change ((Rock)) to ((Rock music|Rock))

 DoneJonesey95 (talk) 18:11, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Soft rock?

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The claim that it is the song is "soft rock" is sourced to an article that mentions it as a throw-away remark in a minor South African newspaper, I don't see how this can be used as credible source for the genre of the song. I think simply listing it as "rock" for its genre is good enough - e.g. here - [1], any other qualifier is superfluous, and the "soft rock" should therefore be removed. Hzh (talk) 20:19, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]