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The result of the move request was: '''No consensus.''' <small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small> [[User:Cwmhiraeth|Cwmhiraeth]] ([[User talk:Cwmhiraeth|talk]]) 10:33, 9 October 2019 (UTC) |
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[[:Dark Matter (disambiguation)]] → {{no redirect|Dark Matter}} – Per [[WP:DIFFCAPS]] no primary topic for the upper case similar to [[Bird Box]] and [[Total War]]. Views[[https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&range=latest-20&pages=Dark_Matter_(TV_series)|Dark_Matter_(prose_anthologies)|Dark_Matter_(Randy_Newman_album)|Dark_Matter_(film)|Dark_Matter_(The_Word_Alive_album)|Dark_Matter_(comics)|Dark_Matter_(Paver_novel)|Dark_Matter_(video_game)|Dark_Matter_(Zeh_novel)]] [[https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&range=latest-20&pages=Dark_Matter_(disambiguation)|Dark_Matter|Biological_dark_matter]] show that the "Dark Matter" redirect gets 279 views but the DAB page gets 390. '''[[User:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Green">Crouch, Swale</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Blue">talk</span>]]) 08:41, 11 September 2019 (UTC) |
[[:Dark Matter (disambiguation)]] → {{no redirect|Dark Matter}} – Per [[WP:DIFFCAPS]] no primary topic for the upper case similar to [[Bird Box]] and [[Total War]]. Views[[https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&range=latest-20&pages=Dark_Matter_(TV_series)|Dark_Matter_(prose_anthologies)|Dark_Matter_(Randy_Newman_album)|Dark_Matter_(film)|Dark_Matter_(The_Word_Alive_album)|Dark_Matter_(comics)|Dark_Matter_(Paver_novel)|Dark_Matter_(video_game)|Dark_Matter_(Zeh_novel)]] [[https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&range=latest-20&pages=Dark_Matter_(disambiguation)|Dark_Matter|Biological_dark_matter]] show that the "Dark Matter" redirect gets 279 views but the DAB page gets 390. '''[[User:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Green">Crouch, Swale</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Blue">talk</span>]]) 08:41, 11 September 2019 (UTC)<small>--'''''Relisting.''''' [[User:A1Cafel|A1Cafel]] ([[User talk:A1Cafel|talk]]) 02:56, 29 September 2019 (UTC)</small> |
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*'''Oppose''' the current title conveniently displays as (disambiguation), helpful in right hand search box and Google results. Leave as is. But by all means redirect the caps version to the dab page [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]]) 09:19, 11 September 2019 (UTC) |
*'''Oppose''' the current title conveniently displays as (disambiguation), helpful in right hand search box and Google results. Leave as is. But by all means redirect the caps version to the dab page [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]]) 09:19, 11 September 2019 (UTC) |
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*:[[WP:MALPLACED]] says that we prefer the term its self if possible without the carifier. '''[[User:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Green">Crouch, Swale</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Blue">talk</span>]]) 09:37, 11 September 2019 (UTC) |
*:[[WP:MALPLACED]] says that we prefer the term its self if possible without the carifier. '''[[User:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Green">Crouch, Swale</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Blue">talk</span>]]) 09:37, 11 September 2019 (UTC) |
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*:[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] it is going too far to assume that the lower case version is also primary for the upper case. While the general rule for plurals is that they redirect to the singular (such as [[Ospreys]]) that doesn't apply to title cases. Remember that I was the nom of the [[Red Meat]] RM because I didn't feel that the comic strip was primary over the other proper nouns and the lower case version but at minimum difference in caps should preclude a different topic from being primary. Unlike [[ospreys]]/[[Ospreys]] it is possible to distinguish from upper and lower cases and readers bothering to use the upper case shouldn't land on the lower case, this is the whole point of making use of DIFFCAPS to help our readers (and editors) using the title cased version to find what they want in 1 click. '''[[User:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Green">Crouch, Swale</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Blue">talk</span>]]) 09:47, 19 September 2019 (UTC) |
*:[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] it is going too far to assume that the lower case version is also primary for the upper case. While the general rule for plurals is that they redirect to the singular (such as [[Ospreys]]) that doesn't apply to title cases. Remember that I was the nom of the [[Red Meat]] RM because I didn't feel that the comic strip was primary over the other proper nouns and the lower case version but at minimum difference in caps should preclude a different topic from being primary. Unlike [[ospreys]]/[[Ospreys]] it is possible to distinguish from upper and lower cases and readers bothering to use the upper case shouldn't land on the lower case, this is the whole point of making use of DIFFCAPS to help our readers (and editors) using the title cased version to find what they want in 1 click. '''[[User:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Green">Crouch, Swale</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Blue">talk</span>]]) 09:47, 19 September 2019 (UTC) |
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*::DIFFCAPS is for cases like [[MAVEN]] where it's obvious that the capitalisation is intentional. Sentence case vs title case is a Wikipedia quirk which is simply not reflected in the wider world, and therefore not suitable for DIFFCAPS. It is completely ludicrous to suggest that "Dark Matter" primarily refers to something other than the topic described at [[dark matter]], with respect to long-term significance and common usage. None of the other titles on the disambiguation page come even close. — [[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 09:54, 19 September 2019 (UTC) |
*::DIFFCAPS is for cases like [[MAVEN]] where it's obvious that the capitalisation is intentional. Sentence case vs title case is a Wikipedia quirk which is simply not reflected in the wider world, and therefore not suitable for DIFFCAPS. It is completely ludicrous to suggest that "Dark Matter" primarily refers to something other than the topic described at [[dark matter]], with respect to long-term significance and common usage. None of the other titles on the disambiguation page come even close. — [[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 09:54, 19 September 2019 (UTC) |
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*:::Nobody is saying that "Dark Matter" (primarily) refers to anything other than the scientific meaning but that it doesn't primarily refer to anything on WP. '''[[User:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Green">Crouch, Swale</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Blue">talk</span>]]) 20:44, 23 September 2019 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' per [[WP:DIFFCAPS]] (and not use IIO's suggestion, which is contrary to [[WP:MALPLACED]] and [[WP:PRECISION]]). -- [[User:JHunterJ|JHunterJ]] ([[User talk:JHunterJ|talk]]) 19:49, 23 September 2019 (UTC) |
*'''Support''' per [[WP:DIFFCAPS]] (and not use IIO's suggestion, which is contrary to [[WP:MALPLACED]] and [[WP:PRECISION]]). -- [[User:JHunterJ|JHunterJ]] ([[User talk:JHunterJ|talk]]) 19:49, 23 September 2019 (UTC) |
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*I would also point out that the "Dark Matter" title was originally about [[Dark•Matter]] until it was moved and redirected. '''[[User:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Green">Crouch, Swale</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Blue">talk</span>]]) 20:40, 23 September 2019 (UTC) |
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Requested move 11 September 2019
[edit]- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: No consensus. (non-admin closure) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:33, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
Dark Matter (disambiguation) → Dark Matter – Per WP:DIFFCAPS no primary topic for the upper case similar to Bird Box and Total War. Views[[1]] [[2]] show that the "Dark Matter" redirect gets 279 views but the DAB page gets 390. Crouch, Swale (talk) 08:41, 11 September 2019 (UTC)--Relisting. A1Cafel (talk) 02:56, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose the current title conveniently displays as (disambiguation), helpful in right hand search box and Google results. Leave as is. But by all means redirect the caps version to the dab page In ictu oculi (talk) 09:19, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
- WP:MALPLACED says that we prefer the term its self if possible without the carifier. Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:37, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
- Support per nom and the established guideline. Anyone capitalising "Matter" when doing a search is almost certainly looking for something on the dab page. PC78 (talk) 16:27, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Dohn joe (talk) 16:30, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose. This is going way too far now. "Dark Matter" clearly refers primarily to the scientific topic. And the trend is increasingly for DIFFCAPS does not apply to title-case/sentence-case distinctions. Absurd nomination. — Amakuru (talk) 16:01, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
- Amakuru it is going too far to assume that the lower case version is also primary for the upper case. While the general rule for plurals is that they redirect to the singular (such as Ospreys) that doesn't apply to title cases. Remember that I was the nom of the Red Meat RM because I didn't feel that the comic strip was primary over the other proper nouns and the lower case version but at minimum difference in caps should preclude a different topic from being primary. Unlike ospreys/Ospreys it is possible to distinguish from upper and lower cases and readers bothering to use the upper case shouldn't land on the lower case, this is the whole point of making use of DIFFCAPS to help our readers (and editors) using the title cased version to find what they want in 1 click. Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:47, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
- DIFFCAPS is for cases like MAVEN where it's obvious that the capitalisation is intentional. Sentence case vs title case is a Wikipedia quirk which is simply not reflected in the wider world, and therefore not suitable for DIFFCAPS. It is completely ludicrous to suggest that "Dark Matter" primarily refers to something other than the topic described at dark matter, with respect to long-term significance and common usage. None of the other titles on the disambiguation page come even close. — Amakuru (talk) 09:54, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
- Nobody is saying that "Dark Matter" (primarily) refers to anything other than the scientific meaning but that it doesn't primarily refer to anything on WP. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:44, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
- DIFFCAPS is for cases like MAVEN where it's obvious that the capitalisation is intentional. Sentence case vs title case is a Wikipedia quirk which is simply not reflected in the wider world, and therefore not suitable for DIFFCAPS. It is completely ludicrous to suggest that "Dark Matter" primarily refers to something other than the topic described at dark matter, with respect to long-term significance and common usage. None of the other titles on the disambiguation page come even close. — Amakuru (talk) 09:54, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
- Amakuru it is going too far to assume that the lower case version is also primary for the upper case. While the general rule for plurals is that they redirect to the singular (such as Ospreys) that doesn't apply to title cases. Remember that I was the nom of the Red Meat RM because I didn't feel that the comic strip was primary over the other proper nouns and the lower case version but at minimum difference in caps should preclude a different topic from being primary. Unlike ospreys/Ospreys it is possible to distinguish from upper and lower cases and readers bothering to use the upper case shouldn't land on the lower case, this is the whole point of making use of DIFFCAPS to help our readers (and editors) using the title cased version to find what they want in 1 click. Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:47, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
- Support per WP:DIFFCAPS (and not use IIO's suggestion, which is contrary to WP:MALPLACED and WP:PRECISION). -- JHunterJ (talk) 19:49, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
- I would also point out that the "Dark Matter" title was originally about Dark•Matter until it was moved and redirected. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:40, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.