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This artical claims that Uday Hussein remained single his whole life, while the artical on Uday says that he was breifly married. Which is true? |
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Why is this article called '''Qusai Hussein''', and not '''Qusay Hussein'''? A quick Google search gives 980 hits for ''Qusai'' against 2720 for ''Qusay''. And both the BBC and the New York Times write the name as ''Qusay''. [[User:Dhum Dhum|D.D.]] 21:05 22 Jul 2003 (UTC) |
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Can someone please provide proof of this statement: |
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"even though the U.S. military would have entered Iraq regardless of whether they left" |
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I agree...it's not factual |
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add the US administration "wanted", and it becomes factual |
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Is there any evidence at all that he was gay? I think that was added by a vandal, and now we have adopted it. [[User:P3d0|P3d0]] 12:04, 29 Jul 2003 (UTC) |
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*On Google 'Qusay Hussein homosexual' yields Wikipedia first and nothing beyond that was relevant. I will remove the line unless there's some evidence. |
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==Picture== |
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I would replace the Ace of Clubs -picture with a proper headshot, there's a POVish feel to it. The same goes with the with the picture of [[Uday Hussein]].[[User:194.157.147.48|194.157.147.48]] 22:18, 24 July 2006 (UTC) |
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== His family. == |
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Iraqi experts might consider adding more personal details — his wife, children, etc. Sincerely, [[User:GeorgeLouis|GeorgeLouis]] 07:25, 30 October 2006 (UTC) |
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== "he was shot by U.S. forces upon entering the room" == |
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In regards to Qusay's son Mustapha, I think there is a NPOV violation here. It makes it seem as if Mustapha was just summarily shot as U.S troops entered. A quick google search on "Qusay's Son" will reveal that many reports claim that U.S troops were fired upon entering the house. Other reports claim that there were no survivors of the battle. The Washington Post even quotes a commander that claims that "They all were dead" when they entered the house suggesting that Mustapha died in the 6 hour battle, and was not shot when U.S Troops went to recover the bodies. |
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It wasn't as if there is full on proof that they killed a white flagged surrendering hostile. Considering the high profile of the people in the house, it would also make sense that U.S troops would want to keep any survivors of the gun battle alive for questioning, and that executing any survivors would be a major PR downfall in Iraq. |
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All I ask is for contributors to cite their sources, especially with claims like "so and so was executed as U.S troops entered." |
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I have edited the section to read: <blockquote> |
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There were reports that Qusay's 14-year-old son Mustapha was the last one to die in the battle. Brig. Gen. Frank Helmick, the assistant commander of 101st Airborne has commented that all occupants of the home were dead before U.S troops entered the home after the fierce gun battle. |
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</blockquote> |
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I have also noted my sources. If someone can find a reason why this should not be edited to read like above, please comment. [[User:Vgpclub|Joseph]] 19:17, 31 December 2006 (UTC) |
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==Arabic spelling of Qusay's name== |
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I can't be certain of this, but I was told that Qusay Hussein's name as it is spelled in Arabic in this article – left to right – is, in essence, just a jumble of letters, as Arabic is read and written right to left. Uday's name is supposedly spelled correctly though. Can anyone confirm or deny this? [[User:Cromag|Cromag]] 13:18, 2 January 2007 (UTC) |
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== Sadaams death, and qusay's death == |
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"Saddam was buried at his birthplace of Al-Awja in Tikrit, Iraq, 3 km (2 mi) from his sons Uday and Qusay Hussein, on December 31, 2006" This is a quote from the sadaam execution page, |
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"Died July 22, 2003 |
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Mosul, Iraq" This is what is stated as quasay's death. |
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So Qusay Hussein rose from the dead to bury his father in 2006, considering he died in 2003? <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Klorkurou|Klorkurou]] ([[User talk:Klorkurou|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Klorkurou|contribs]]) 17:40, 3 May 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned --> |
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:The information in the article on [[Saddam Hussein]] implies that the location at which he was buried is not far from the graves of Qusay and Uday. [[User:Cromag|<span style="font-family: cursive">Cromag</span>]] <sup>'''[[User talk:Cromag|<span style="color: #000000">talk to me</span>]]'''</sup> 18:05, 5 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Perhaps someome could load a better picture. The current one is somewhat distorted. [[User:Odin1|Odin1]] ([[User talk:Odin1|talk]]) 15:08, 29 November 2007 (UTC) |
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== POV dispute == |
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I hold that publishing Qusay's post-mortem photo is not in keeping with a [[WP:NPOV|neutral point of view]]. I also hold that the photo may violate the Geneva Convention, as contended by the [http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/jul2003/huss-j26.shtml International Committee of the Fourth International] and discussed in the 24 July 2003 issue of [http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/on-the-streets-of-iraq-they-wont-believe-uday-and-qusay-are-dead-until-they-see-the-bodies-587852.html The Independent] and Issue No. 649 of [http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2003/649/re12.htm Al-Ahram Weekly] (31 July-6 August 2003). Thank you. -- [[User:JeffBillman|JeffBillman]] ([[User talk:JeffBillman|talk]]) 17:45, 28 June 2009 (UTC) |
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:If you believe that NPOV is relevant here, please expand a bit because your argument that it contravenes GC is incorrect, because it doesn't. According to one of the sources you have provided GC prohibits publication if it is for the reason of humiliation or ridicule, the pictures are not published on WP for these reasons and therefore I think we're safe. A little more could probably be said in the article about why the images were published and done so so quickly but I see no real argument for removing them. In summary: |
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:*Please elaborate on the NPOV argument. |
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:*I believe the publication does not contravene GC |
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== Living Descendants of Qusay Hussein == |
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[[User:RaseaC|RaseaC]] ([[User talk:RaseaC|talk]]) 22:55, 28 June 2009 (UTC) |
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There seems to be very little reference to where the information about Qusay's children was obtained. [[Special:Contributions/70.120.57.135|70.120.57.135]] ([[User talk:70.120.57.135|talk]]) 01:51, 23 October 2024 (UTC) |
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::Look, if the publication of the photo is so controversial that sources can be found to state that it violates the GC, certainly this raises POV concerns for Wikipedia. Please read the sources I provided, as there are other points of view which can be found within those sources. NPOV is a higher standard, in this case, than GC; even if the photo does not violate GC (itself a debatable proposition, and one on which we Wikipedians cannot possibly judge), the photo's employment as a propaganda tool by the American government should most certainly give pause to a sincere effort to provide a neutral point of view. We would not tolerate the copying of government propaganda directly into the text of an article, without at least incorporating language respecting other points of view. (Any government; I say this as an American who generally supports his government.) If a picture is worth a thousand words, this picture is essentially a one-sided diatribe we are allowing to remain unchallenged in the article by publishing with the mere caption, "Photo of Qusay Hussein's body after his death." The stark finality of the caption and photo combine to a highly offensive assault upon the opinions of some outside the United States. The sources I provided demonstrate this. -- [[User:JeffBillman|JeffBillman]] ([[User talk:JeffBillman|talk]]) 23:27, 28 June 2009 (UTC) |
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[edit]There seems to be very little reference to where the information about Qusay's children was obtained. 70.120.57.135 (talk) 01:51, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
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