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== "Also known as the East Sea" == |
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Shouldn't this be added? [[User:Jishiboka1|Jishiboka1]] ([[User talk:Jishiboka1|talk]]) 12:10, 19 July 2022 (UTC) |
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:There is an entire section on the matter. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 16:22, 19 July 2022 (UTC) |
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:Yes it should be, no other article says “see below” instead of listing an valid alternate name [[Special:Contributions/97.113.57.76|97.113.57.76]] ([[User talk:97.113.57.76|talk]]) 22:50, 14 April 2023 (UTC) |
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::The Baltic Sea is known as the East Sea in Germanic languages and the West Sea in Finnic language, but its article doesn't begin with "the Baltic Sea, also known as the East Sea and West Sea". That would be silly. [[User:Meeepmep|Meeepmep]] ([[User talk:Meeepmep|talk]]) 13:22, 30 July 2023 (UTC) |
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:::It wouldn’t be silly because this sea is in fact, sometimes known as the east sea in English [[Special:Contributions/97.126.89.248|97.126.89.248]] ([[User talk:97.126.89.248|talk]]) 05:45, 18 October 2023 (UTC) |
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::::In fact, only Korea is known as the East Sea in English. US and UK officially use the name Sea of Japan. Incidentally, this sea is also called Sea of Japan in Chinese and Russian. [[Special:Contributions/36.2.103.212|36.2.103.212]] ([[User talk:36.2.103.212|talk]]) 09:26, 7 January 2024 (UTC) |
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Suggestion to change the first part of this sentence: |
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The sea is called Rìběn hǎi (日本海, literally "Japan Sea") or originally Jīng hǎi (鲸海, literally "Whale Sea") in China |
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The sea is called ''Nihon kai'' (日本海, literally "Japan Sea") in Japan, ''Rìběn hǎi'' (日本海, literally "Japan Sea") or originally Jīng hǎi (鲸海, literally "Whale Sea") in China |
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Reasoning: Under the Names section, the second paragraph includes the name and pronunciation in China, Russia, South Korea, and North Korea, but not in Japanese. The Japanese name IS shown correctly in the infobox, so I propose we include that bit in the text as well. |
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There may be a neater way to arrange things so the wording isn't so repetitive, but that is not my strong point. |
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Thank you, |
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Christa Hanson [[User:Wonderbunny|Wonderbunny]] ([[User talk:Wonderbunny|talk]]) 13:41, 22 June 2023 (UTC) |
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== Misinformation in the Description == |
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This sea is mainly between Korean peninsula and Japan because it is when the term is mainly used to refer to the area in between. [[User:CoOLGUY1248|CoOLGUY1248]] ([[User talk:CoOLGUY1248|talk]]) 14:48, 8 December 2023 (UTC) |
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== A Closer Look at the East Sea Naming Controversy == |
== A Closer Look at the East Sea Naming Controversy == |
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::It's not the job of Wikipedia to make judgement calls, but that doesn't mean Wikipedia should turn a blind eye to the atrocities committed by Imperial Japan. I mean, Wikipedia doesn't stand with the ''Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei''(the Nazi Party), nor does it stand with terrorist groups like the Taliban. In fact, Wikipedia articles openly condemn them. |
::It's not the job of Wikipedia to make judgement calls, but that doesn't mean Wikipedia should turn a blind eye to the atrocities committed by Imperial Japan. I mean, Wikipedia doesn't stand with the ''Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei''(the Nazi Party), nor does it stand with terrorist groups like the Taliban. In fact, Wikipedia articles openly condemn them. |
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::When we talk about Imperial Japan, we talk about the sex slave issues, various massacres, human experiments, and other various atrocities that Japan has committed during World War ll. Yes, it's not the job of Wikipedia to make judgement calls, but there's a certain line between keeping it politically neutral and upholding a symbol of violence, crime, and injustice. [[Special:Contributions/112.165.73.185|112.165.73.185]] ([[User talk:112.165.73.185|talk]]) 14:09, 19 July 2024 (UTC) |
::When we talk about Imperial Japan, we talk about the sex slave issues, various massacres, human experiments, and other various atrocities that Japan has committed during World War ll. Yes, it's not the job of Wikipedia to make judgement calls, but there's a certain line between keeping it politically neutral and upholding a symbol of violence, crime, and injustice. [[Special:Contributions/112.165.73.185|112.165.73.185]] ([[User talk:112.165.73.185|talk]]) 14:09, 19 July 2024 (UTC) |
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:::The English Wikipedia has its own guidelines ([[WP:COMMONNAME]]) and it is very unlikely the name of this article will change unless the usage of "East Sea" exceeds that of "Sea of Japan" on reliable secondary sources outside of the enwiki. If you truly believe that the name "Sea of Japan" must be banned for its association with Japan's war crimes then arguing on a Wikipedia talk page is a waste of time. Try convincing the US department of state and Encyclopedia Britannica first. [[User:00101984hjw|00101984hjw]] ([[User talk:00101984hjw|talk]]) 00:20, 16 August 2024 (UTC) |
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== It’s wrong of name “Japan sea” == |
== It’s wrong of name “Japan sea” == |
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:Sea of Japan is the common name in English, not Japan Sea. [[User:Masterhatch|Masterhatch]] ([[User talk:Masterhatch|talk]]) 04:49, 19 July 2024 (UTC) |
:Sea of Japan is the common name in English, not Japan Sea. [[User:Masterhatch|Masterhatch]] ([[User talk:Masterhatch|talk]]) 04:49, 19 July 2024 (UTC) |
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::You do realize that that's not his/her point, right? [[Special:Contributions/112.165.73.185|112.165.73.185]] ([[User talk:112.165.73.185|talk]]) 14:09, 19 July 2024 (UTC) |
::You do realize that that's not his/her point, right? [[Special:Contributions/112.165.73.185|112.165.73.185]] ([[User talk:112.165.73.185|talk]]) 14:09, 19 July 2024 (UTC) |
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The East Sea of Korea is a sea that includes Ulleungdo and of course, Dokdo. The real Sea of Japan is a little sea more east from the East Sea of Korea. The real Sea of Japan includes battleship Island and part of Gushu. [[Special:Contributions/117.110.115.27|117.110.115.27]] ([[User talk:117.110.115.27|talk]]) 01:26, 24 September 2024 (UTC) |
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A Closer Look at the East Sea Naming Controversy
[edit]The preference for the term "East Sea" over "Sea of Japan" is rooted in a complex interplay of historical, cultural, and geopolitical considerations. The term, "East Sea," is advocated since it holds historical and cultural significance predating the colonial era, emphasizing a more inclusive regional perspective. Countries like South Korea view the use of "East Sea" as a means to assert their national identity and diminish the dominance of the "Sea of Japan" name, which is linked to a contentious colonial history. The parallel lies in the potential to evoke historical grievances and sensitivity; just as certain war criminal flags, such as Nazi flag and rising sun flag, may carry a contentious historical legacy, the naming of geographical features can be a source of geopolitical tension, reflecting deep-seated historical issues. Both situations highlights the need for nuanced discussions and diplomatic approaches to navigate complex historical narratives and foster understanding among nations. The choice of terminology is also seen as a way to navigate geopolitical sensitivities in the region, reducing potential tensions associated with historical disputes. Proponents suggest that adopting "East Sea" contributes to a more balanced and neutral international approach to the naming of this body of water, reflecting diverse perspectives and acknowledging the complexity of historical narratives. In essence, the naming debate transcends mere semantics, becoming a symbolic representation of identity, diplomacy, and historical consciousness in East Asia. 73.132.144.47 (talk) 15:04, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- It is not the job of Wikipedia to make judgment calls on historical and cultural consciousness and sensitivity. These choices are made by the reliable sources which Wikipedia relies on. Wikipedia's job is to reflect the most common usage among reliable sources. In essence, your argument is with those reliable sources, not with Wikipedia. Westwind273 (talk) 11:29, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
- Yup. Masterhatch (talk) 13:57, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
- It's not the job of Wikipedia to make judgement calls, but that doesn't mean Wikipedia should turn a blind eye to the atrocities committed by Imperial Japan. I mean, Wikipedia doesn't stand with the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei(the Nazi Party), nor does it stand with terrorist groups like the Taliban. In fact, Wikipedia articles openly condemn them.
- When we talk about Imperial Japan, we talk about the sex slave issues, various massacres, human experiments, and other various atrocities that Japan has committed during World War ll. Yes, it's not the job of Wikipedia to make judgement calls, but there's a certain line between keeping it politically neutral and upholding a symbol of violence, crime, and injustice. 112.165.73.185 (talk) 14:09, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- The English Wikipedia has its own guidelines (WP:COMMONNAME) and it is very unlikely the name of this article will change unless the usage of "East Sea" exceeds that of "Sea of Japan" on reliable secondary sources outside of the enwiki. If you truly believe that the name "Sea of Japan" must be banned for its association with Japan's war crimes then arguing on a Wikipedia talk page is a waste of time. Try convincing the US department of state and Encyclopedia Britannica first. 00101984hjw (talk) 00:20, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
It’s wrong of name “Japan sea”
[edit]It shouldn’t Japan Sea. Google will have to find th right name without being biased towards to any country. 2001:8003:421D:701:BD86:7CF6:531C:B06B (talk) 04:28, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sea of Japan is the common name in English, not Japan Sea. Masterhatch (talk) 04:49, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- You do realize that that's not his/her point, right? 112.165.73.185 (talk) 14:09, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
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The East Sea of Korea is a sea that includes Ulleungdo and of course, Dokdo. The real Sea of Japan is a little sea more east from the East Sea of Korea. The real Sea of Japan includes battleship Island and part of Gushu. 117.110.115.27 (talk) 01:26, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. McYeee (talk) 02:30, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
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