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Distinct pages?

Should Institute of technology and Polytechnic be seperated once again as two distinct pages? This article appears to be struggling to reconcile the two...with only a small mention of their historically vast differences over several decades of their evolution.--Huaiwei 05:20, 13 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Probably what needs to be better clarified is that both terms have been used for both Universities and for what in Australia is called Technical and Further Education with a more vocational education focus. Splitting would still require this to be explained. There is substantial overlap as different national education systems tend to use one or the other. Paul foord 13:05, 13 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Or both...with different meanings for each. Which is why it is inherently difficult to lump everything together in one article when they can mean quite different things. Singapore, for example, still have Polytechnics which are not considered universities. Perhaps it makes better sense for each school type to have its own page, emphasizing on particular localities and institutions which uses that term or system, while also discussing similarities with other terminologies/systems, whether contemporarily or historically?--Huaiwei 13:47, 13 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Institues of Technology vs. Polytechnics

I have added three requests for {{fact}} in the text as a number of conclusions are drawn in the article and need referencing. Djegan 18:25, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

IITs

I seriously doubt the Indian Institutes of Technology are "Institutes of technology" as described in this article, despite the name. The IITs are not polytechnic, ITIs (Industrial Training Institute, which are also located in India) are. When I went about correcting this, I found that this "mis"-information is present in many other articles as well. In order to confirm, I did extensive google searching, and could not find any direct mention of IITs as vocational institutes or polytechnics from any source other than mirrors of Wikipedia. I have removed the info from Indian Institutes of Technology article, but want to discuss before making changes throughout Wikipedia. Another clarification...In India, all engineering degrees take four years, as with the BTech in IITs. Hence there is again no correlation with professional BTech as mentioned in some of the articles. If any of you feel otherwise, please provide verifiable sources that back the claims. I again want to mention that despite similarities in name, in India the meaning of Institute of Technology is very different from the European definition. Though IITs give a few PG diplomas, it will be wrong to label the whole university as vocational institute. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 08:25, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Further note: Though I mentioned IITs, the National Institutes of Technology also fit the same profile and whatever decision is taken, will apply to them also. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 08:34, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Another section in the article discusses IIT's using the term "institute of technology" for "historical reasons" which is quite true (backing my statement). However, the article still mentions IIT in "India" section, which is confusing. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 13:39, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This article is a write up on "Institutes of Technology" and not on Polytechnics as such. I believe that IITs and NIT are the only Institutes in India which fit this category. - Lawliet 92 (talk) 17:20, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Article on Vocational universities

What overlap is there with the article on Vocational universities? Paul foord 14:49, 13 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What language was this (rather badly) translated from?

"and diminute number of highly distinguished alumni and professors..." Diminute is an obsolete word, in English at least. Someone should update his dictionary/thesaurus. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.229.62.47 (talk) 01:31, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oldest Institute of Technology in the world

The article "University of Technology" points to this article and as such causing misunderstanding in education concepts. In the year 1735 the only institue of technology was the Bergschule. This institute provided Further education and in 1762 ranked up to be Academia providing Higher education. In the United Kingdom Further Education includes colleges of further education while universities (including polytechnic universities) is higher education. The education concept in Germany and in Austria is completely different from the UK education system and as such the Bergschule, Berg schola, is considered to be the first Institute of Technology. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.97.173.15 (talk) 19:57, 2 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In section 1 Institutes of technology versus polytechnics the following sentence is written: "An exception is the Ecole Polytechnique, the oldest one in the world, which has educated French élites since its foundation in 1794."

However, in section 12 Hungary, the following statement is found: "One of the oldest (est. 1782) Universities of Technology of the world is locatad in Budapest."

This apparent contradiction needs to be solved. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marv Fletch (talk • contribs) 21:00, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

One more to the controversy, In section "Czech Republic", "Czech Technical University in Prague" is mentioned to be founded in 1707. Seems to be much older then both mentioned above. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.204.233.210 (talk) 13:56, 3 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Answer The Czech Technical University in Prague was not part of higher education in the 18th century, because the grammar school/secondary school was not requirement for pupils to enter this school. The first real higher education (Academy) of institute of technology was founded in Selmecbánya in 1735. To enter this academy the secondary school was basic requirements. The world's first University of technology was BME in Hungary. It produced the first so-called university degree. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.182.75.177 (talk) 20:01, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That is a very bold statement. Is there any source to back it up? The teachers in Prague had title of Professor within the traditional German meaning of the term, therefore it is clearly tertiary education, while the graduates obtained title of Engineer. There was read: military architecture, geodesy, cartography, etc. Moreover, at the beginning the school was open only to the nobles, so there is presumption, that these already had primary and secondary education behind them (at least gymnasium). Unless there is direct source for your statement, Prague should be moved above Hungarian one.

To make it more complicated, there was an Academy in Olomouc, see Collegium Nobilium, from 1725. The curicullum was primarily technical, and it is continued through Brno University of Technology. And in Olomouc having secondary education was basic requirement. Cimmerian praetor (talk) 15:09, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Poorly written paragraph

"In several countries, like Germany, the Netherlands, Switzerland and Turkey, institutes of technology and polytechnics are institutions of higher education, and have been accredited to award academic degrees and doctorates. Famous examples are the Istanbul Technical University, ETH Zurich, İYTE, Delft University of Technology and RWTH Aachen, all considered universities."

This entire paragraph should be removed. "In several countries"? Where not? The point is that the level differs from vocational tot scientific, that point had already been made earlier in the article. "Famous examples"? ETH is a famous example. IC is a famous example but is not mentioned. Aachen en Delft are decent universities (better than most American and English universities) but they are not considered better than many other universities of technology or the technical part of ordinary universities (for example in Belgium) in that part of Europe. 82.171.61.28 (talk) 14:36, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not a dictionary

Wikipedia is not a dictionary -- that is, each article is supposed to be about a single topic, not about a term (single word or phrase). But this article includes a large variety of very disparate organizations, as it says in its own lead, simply because they happen to be named 'Institute of Technology', 'Polytechnic', etc. Lumping together secondary-level vocational schools with doctorate-granting research universities specializing in the sciences and technology just isn't very useful. Instead, this article should be split up into parts that talk about different kinds of educational institution, regardless of what they are called. The classification should be based on reliable sources which define categories that are meaningful across various national systems. --Macrakis (talk) 19:06, 4 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge with List of institutions using the term "institute of technology" or "polytechnic"

Two articles covering the same topic DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 11:06, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose merge; its not unreasonable to have one article defining and describing the phenomenon, and another listing examples. They are already linked. Klbrain (talk) 14:43, 6 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This is a big mess. Polytechnic has its own page, although originally might be a Disambiguation page, and Institute of technology is redirected from Polytechnic institute.

The important bit is, in both pages there's a list that include the same institutions so it looks like two pages on the same topic. Bit-Pasta (talk) 21:51, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Interpretation of the term "Institute of technology"

Many institutes offering a form of education for school leavers in several disciplines existed in the United Kingdom and a few of them are still around today. They offered technical based subjects and offered both vocational education and academic subjects were including for training people in other mainstream disciplines much like a further education college. These places were once called technical Institutes. Technical Institutes and Polytechnics where distinct and different from one another. Technical institutes offered further education while Polytechnics offered degree level higher education. Since the 1950's UK Polytechnics (some go back to the early 19th Century) where universities in all but name and operated under a binary system of higher education with universities. Polytechnics focussed on teaching at higher diploma, bachelors, masters and PhD research levels. Universities focussed on research. Polytechnic's original primary focus was STEM subjects. Polytechnic Degrees where validated at the UK National level by the CNAA. The UK Polytechnic's original mandate was to become technological universities but they became more like traditional universities building faculties of law, humanities and liberal arts. In 1992 the UK government dismantled the binary system of higher education allowing Polytechnics to award their own degrees. Just learner 14:24, 13 May 2015 (UTC) Just learner

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 ==Distinct pages?==
 Should [[Institute of technology]] and [[Polytechnic]] be seperated once again as two distinct pages? This article appears to be struggling to reconcile the two...with only a small mention of their historically vast differences over several decades of their evolution.--[[User:Huaiwei|Huaiwei]] 05:20, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
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 Another section in the article discusses IIT's using the term "institute of technology" for "historical reasons" which is quite true (backing my statement). However, the article still mentions IIT in "India" section, which is confusing. — [[User:Ambuj.Saxena|Ambuj Saxena]] ([[User_talk:Ambuj.Saxena|talk]]) 13:39, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
+This article is a write up on "Institutes of Technology" and not on Polytechnics as such. I believe that IITs and NIT are the only Institutes in India which fit this category. - [[User:Lawliet 92|Lawliet 92]] ([[User talk:Lawliet 92|talk]]) 17:20, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 == Article on Vocational universities ==
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 What overlap is there with the article on [[Vocational universities]]? [[User:Paul foord|Paul foord]] 14:49, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
+== What language was this (rather badly) translated from? ==
+"and diminute number of highly distinguished alumni and professors..." ''Diminute'' is an obsolete word, in English at least.  Someone should update his dictionary/thesaurus.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/72.229.62.47|72.229.62.47]] ([[User talk:72.229.62.47|talk]]) 01:31, 10 August 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+== Oldest Institute of Technology in the world ==
+The article "[[University of Technology]]" points to this article and as such causing misunderstanding in education concepts. In the year 1735 the only institue of technology was the Bergschule. This institute provided Further education and in 1762 ranked up to be [[Academia]] providing [[Higher education]]. In the United Kingdom [[Further Education]] includes colleges of further education while universities (including polytechnic universities) is higher education. The education concept in Germany and in Austria is completely different from the UK education system and as such the Bergschule, Berg schola, is considered to be the first Institute of Technology.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2.97.173.15|2.97.173.15]] ([[User talk:2.97.173.15|talk]]) 19:57, 2 August 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+In section 1 ''Institutes of technology versus polytechnics'' the following sentence is written: '''"An exception is the Ecole Polytechnique, the oldest one in the world, which has educated French élites since its foundation in 1794."'''
+However, in section 12 '' Hungary'', the following statement is found: '''"One of the oldest (est. 1782) Universities of Technology of the world is locatad in Budapest."'''
+This apparent contradiction needs to be solved.  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Marv Fletch|Marv Fletch]] ([[User talk:Marv Fletch|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Marv Fletch|contribs]]) 21:00, 30 May 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+One more to the controversy, In section "Czech Republic", "Czech Technical University in Prague" is mentioned to be founded in 1707. Seems to be much older then both mentioned above.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/62.204.233.210|62.204.233.210]] ([[User talk:62.204.233.210|talk]]) 13:56, 3 January 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+'''Answer'''
+The Czech Technical University in Prague was not part of higher education in the 18th century, because the grammar school/secondary school was not requirement for pupils to enter this school. The first real higher education (Academy) of institute of technology was founded in Selmecbánya in 1735. To enter this academy the secondary school was basic requirements. The world's first University of technology was BME in Hungary. It produced the first so-called university degree.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/81.182.75.177|81.182.75.177]] ([[User talk:81.182.75.177|talk]]) 20:01, 14 March 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+:That is a very bold statement. Is there any source to back it up? The teachers in Prague had title of ''Professor'' within the traditional German meaning of the term, therefore it is clearly tertiary education, while the graduates obtained title of ''Engineer''. There was read: military architecture, geodesy, cartography, etc. Moreover, at the beginning the school was open only to the nobles, so there is presumption, that these already had primary and secondary education behind them (at least gymnasium). Unless there is direct source for your statement, Prague should be moved above Hungarian one.
+:To make it more complicated, there was an Academy in Olomouc, see [[Collegium Nobilium]], from 1725. The curicullum was primarily technical, and it is continued through [[Brno University of Technology]]. And in Olomouc having secondary education was basic requirement. [[User:Cimmerian praetor|Cimmerian praetor]] ([[User talk:Cimmerian praetor|talk]]) 15:09, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
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+"In several countries, like Germany, the Netherlands, Switzerland and Turkey, institutes of technology and polytechnics are institutions of higher education, and have been accredited to award academic degrees and doctorates. Famous examples are the Istanbul Technical University, ETH Zurich, İYTE, Delft University of Technology and RWTH Aachen, all considered universities."
+This entire paragraph should be removed.
+"In several countries"? Where not? The point is that the level differs from vocational tot scientific, that point had already been made earlier in the article.
+"Famous examples"? ETH is a famous example. IC is a famous example but is not mentioned. Aachen en Delft are decent universities (better than most American and English universities) but they are not considered better than many other universities of technology or the technical part of ordinary universities (for example in Belgium) in that part of Europe. [[Special:Contributions/82.171.61.28|82.171.61.28]] ([[User talk:82.171.61.28|talk]]) 14:36, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
+==Wikipedia is not a dictionary==
+[[WP:WINAD|Wikipedia is not a dictionary]] -- that is, each article is supposed to be about a single ''topic'', not about a ''term'' (single word or phrase).  But this article includes a large variety of very disparate organizations, as it says in its own lead, simply because they happen to be named 'Institute of Technology', 'Polytechnic', etc.  Lumping together secondary-level vocational schools with doctorate-granting research universities specializing in the sciences and technology just isn't very useful.  Instead, this article should be split up into parts that talk about different kinds of educational institution, regardless of what they are called.  The classification should be based on [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] which define categories that are meaningful across various national systems. --[[User:Macrakis|Macrakis]] ([[User talk:Macrakis|talk]]) 19:06, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
+== Proposed merge with [[List of institutions using the term "institute of technology" or "polytechnic"]] ==
+Two articles covering the same topic [[User:DASonnenfeld|DA Sonnenfeld]] ([[User talk:DASonnenfeld|talk]]) 11:06, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
+:'''Oppose''' merge; its not unreasonable to have one article defining and describing the phenomenon, and another listing examples. They are already linked. [[User:Klbrain|Klbrain]] ([[User talk:Klbrain|talk]]) 14:43, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
+::This is a big mess. [[Polytechnic]] has its own page, although originally might be a Disambiguation page, and [[Institute of technology]] is redirected from [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Polytechnic_institute&redirect=no Polytechnic '''institute.''']
+::The important bit is, in both pages there's a list that include the same institutions so it looks like two pages on the same topic. [[User:Bit-Pasta|Bit-Pasta]] ([[User talk:Bit-Pasta|talk]]) 21:51, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
+== Interpretation of the term "Institute of technology" ==
+Many institutes offering a form of education for school leavers in several disciplines existed in the United Kingdom and a few of them are still around today. They offered technical based subjects and offered both vocational education and academic subjects were including for training people in other mainstream disciplines much like a further education college. These places were once called technical Institutes.  Technical Institutes and Polytechnics where distinct and different from one another.  Technical institutes offered further education while Polytechnics offered degree level higher education. Since the 1950's UK Polytechnics (some go back to the early 19th Century) where universities in all but name and operated under a binary system of higher education with universities.  Polytechnics focussed on teaching at higher diploma, bachelors, masters and PhD research levels. Universities focussed on research.  Polytechnic's original primary focus was STEM subjects.  Polytechnic Degrees where validated at the UK National level by the CNAA.  The UK Polytechnic's original mandate was to become technological universities but they became more like traditional universities building faculties of law, humanities and liberal arts.  In 1992 the UK government dismantled the binary system of higher education allowing Polytechnics to award their own degrees.  Just learner 14:24, 13 May 2015 (UTC) Just learner
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-== UK polytechnics ==
-Amgiambi; you are getting way off track with your additions and corrections. Engineering (structural, electrical, mechanical) is also taught in universities, and the public disdain for it (if it exists!) would equally apply to wherever it is being taught! It has nothing to do with polytechnics. However, I recall a British politicain once saying that Polytechnics should be centres of relevance (i.e. technolohy) and universities of irrelevance (i.e. pure science): if I find the reference I'll add it. It would be good to get statistics for the drop out rates - but the question is, are they broad across all subjects or only for engineering? Engineering is only one subject among many taught at polytechnics. Indeed, as far as I know, the only subjects never taught at polytechnics but taught at UK universities were medicine and veterinary medicne. Many former-polytechnic students have chips on their shoulders - which is a pity! And of course it would be good to know how employers have discriminated against them: as my decrepid old snobby boss once said, a first class honours degree from a polytechnic is equivalent to a student from Oxford who failed his finals.
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-:Agree the engineering focus (with little referencing) is inappropriate. The reasons for poor interest in engineering (and indeed the wider science and technical fields) is for many and complex reasons. For instance. Poor interest is not limited to the UK or only institutions other than universities. Maths is a fundemental scientific and technical subject and this is often the put-off point for many students who percieve it as abstract, disproportionately difficult o little encouragement at home. Management and progression opportunities in science and technical fields are often percieved as poor comparied to business studies and commerce degrees, but this is not always the case in studies (obviously depends on business types, again complex). Arts and related fields are often percieved as having a quicker payback, indeed those who pay tutition fees these will often be cheaper than that of science and technology.
+== "Technology School" vs. "Technical School" ==
-:In summary what I am saying is that this issue is not limited the polytechnic/university divide; its a complex issue (that needs appropriate research and referencing) and is a general education issue rather than limited to a specific institution type or divide. It is not neccessarily appropriate to this article. [[User:Djegan|Djegan]] 22:25, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
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-I am not really sure what precisely should be changed but you are probably right - this is moving away from the subject.  Can you make some suggestions?  Off course Polytechnics offered a lot more courses than engineering.  This is stated in the article.  However I believe the public (masses) associated polytechnics with "technical" education.  This is a well know fact in the UK.   And a technical education is equated with engineering.  And engineering is associated with trade education - again among the general UK public.   I do not believe the UK public has disdain for science and engineering.  This is too harsh.  I have not found evidence of this.  It is widely recorded that the public does not understand what engineering is.  The word engineering in the UK only is used to cover everything from plumbers to repairmen.   And this is far from what engineering actually is.  Polytechnics did start out with a focus on science and engineering.  This is their roots and can be backed up.  The general UK public does not understand the fact that engineering undergrad entrance requires A levels in physics, chemistry, mathematics etc.  This is unique to the UK.   I know, I have lived in various places around the world and have experienced this.  There is also much research in UK literature to support this fact.  The IMechE, IEE, ICE have conducted numerous studies on the subject.   Off course, universities offer engineering and applied science degrees but this article is about polytechnics.  It is not comparing the binary system.  It is about stating the facts.  I have attended both a Polytechnic (undergrad) and a university (post grad) and there was no difference.  I have never heard of employer’s discrimate against Polytechnic grads and I have never seen evidence of this.  I agree the issue of a lack of interest in science and engineering is a complex subject and it probably requires it's own article.  The reason for mentioning it here is because this relates to image and perception of Polytechnics prior to 1992.  The original article stated that the Polytechnics were perceived as ranking below universities.  Well why is this - it is nonsense and it is perception.  There were n facts to back this up.   A professional degree in engineering, law, and architecture were validated by a very rigorous process through the professional institutions and the CNAA.  They are still validated by the professional institutions.  This makes nonsense of the ranking statement.  It had no precise measurement.  That is why it is called a perception.  And the article attempts to explain the reason for this perception.  The validation of degrees at both universities and Polytechnics was a precise measurement and it was a way to maintain standards.  So the statement about ranking below was nonsense since there was no hard evidence in the area of engineering, law or architecture, and I am sure other fields as well.  It was perception that could not be backed up with facts in these areas.  Perhaps one could argue that a BA in history, or English language from a polytechnic was not as good as a university.  But this could not be said for a professional degree.  This has to be stated because it is a hard fact.  How should the article be amended?  Go ahead and give it a shot.  I await your response.  By the way the old snobby boss sounds like a relic from the 18th century.  Also "many polytechnic students have chips on their shoulders".  There is no evidence to support this, and I have never experienced this.  It is a POV that is perception.
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