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This article was nominated for deletion on 22 September 2008 (UTC). The result of the discussion was keep.

Please note that I have edited this entry to include links to a large variety of related topics. (I will also add some links that point to this article from other relevant entries). An issue that remains unclear in this entry is the question of whether there is a difference between priests and shamans, both in a theoretical sense and in the ancient Maya world itself. Is there a meaningful distinction between Maya priests and Maya shamans? If so (and I think there is), what can be added to this entry to highlight the distinction between a priesthood and the "free-agent" nature of shamans? The citations from Thompson and Sharer are good, but these are both old and dated references (especially Thompson, now more than 50 years old its conception). This entry could be brought up-to-date with better terminology, especially with reference to specific traditions. The general issue of orthography needs to be dealt with, since Thompson's spellings of Yucatec Maya terms depart from current standards. In general, this is a good start. However, it needs to be much more firmly integrated into Wikipedia's structure. Hoopes (talk) 21:24, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

One of the problems with the priest vs. shaman (and priesthood vs. shamanism) issue is that it is difficult to avoid venturing into the realm of new scholarship. Despite a lot of important discussion by Cecelia Klein, Alice Beck Kehoe, Barbara Tedlock, and others, there remains no consensus on whether "shaman" or "priest" is a better term. The best work I've seen on this is by Max Weber in Sociology of Religion (book), with additional theoretical work more recently by Augusto Oyuela-Caycedo. Hoopes (talk) 20:04, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Non-encyclopedic article

"Among the Mayas, priestly functions were often fulfilled by dignitaries who were not professional priests, but this fact can not be used to argue the nonexistence of a separate priesthood."

This article has a thesis, the existence of a Mayan priesthood, based on outdated literature, and endeavors incessantly to demonstrate its validity. The result is not only faulty facts, but a non-encyclopedic article looking like a bad term-paper.

There are no proof that a priesthood existed, there are not even a Mayan glyph for priest. Creuzbourg (talk) 19:28, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Over 4 years later, and this issue remains. The article seems to throw around a lot of assumptions and conclusions of its own, which as Creuzbourg stated, is very non-encyclopedic and I'm fairly certain violates some sort of Wikipedia policy (I say that as someone not entirely familiar with them.) Ragef33 (talk) 04:48, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Outdated literature"? You mean early sources? And these "faulty facts", would you mind being a bit more specific? "Endeavors incessantly to demonstrate its (the thesis of a priesthood) validity": in fact pro's and con's are carefully listed. The article tries to get beyond this tedious shaman vs priest discussion. "There are no proof", this sort of English might indeed be found in "a bad term-paper". Retal (talk) 09:19, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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 Please note that I have edited this entry to include links to a large variety of related topics.  (I will also add some links that point to this article from other relevant entries).  An issue that remains unclear in this entry is the question of whether there is a difference between [[priests]] and [[shamans]], both in a theoretical sense and in the ancient Maya world itself.  Is there a meaningful distinction between Maya priests and Maya shamans?  If so (and I think there ''is''), what can be added to this entry to highlight the distinction between a [[priesthood]] and the "free-agent" nature of [[shamans]]?  The citations from Thompson and Sharer are good, but these are both old and dated references (especially Thompson, now more than 50 years old its conception).  This entry could be brought up-to-date with better terminology, especially with reference to specific traditions.  The general issue of orthography needs to be dealt with, since Thompson's spellings of Yucatec Maya terms depart from current standards.  In general, this is a good start.  However, it needs to be much more firmly integrated into Wikipedia's structure.  [[User:Hoopes|Hoopes]] ([[User talk:Hoopes|talk]]) 21:24, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
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 There are no proof that a priesthood existed, there are not even a Mayan glyph for priest.
 [[User:Creuzbourg|Creuzbourg]] ([[User talk:Creuzbourg|talk]]) 19:28, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
+: Over 4 years later, and this issue remains. The article seems to throw around a lot of assumptions and conclusions of its own, which as Creuzbourg stated, is very non-encyclopedic and I'm fairly certain violates some sort of Wikipedia policy (I say that as someone not entirely familiar with them.) [[User:Ragef33|Ragef33]] ([[User talk:Ragef33|talk]]) 04:48, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
+::"Outdated literature"? You mean early sources? And these "faulty facts", would you mind being a bit more specific? "Endeavors incessantly to demonstrate its (the thesis of a priesthood) validity": in fact pro's and con's are carefully listed. The article tries to get beyond this tedious shaman vs priest discussion. "There are no proof", this sort of English might indeed be found in "a bad term-paper". [[User:Retal|Retal]] ([[User talk:Retal|talk]]) 09:19, 30 March 2024 (UTC)