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Comment on the politics - it would be good to support this with a specific quote. He was pro-Mussolini, and certainly very much a supporter of the Nationalist side in the Spanish Civil War. I don't want to write anything facile about this on the page. I believe his position in the early 1920s was sort of monarchist. I also believe that while his politics were fairly similar to the French style of [[Maurras]], he was not actually in agreement with Maurras, whom he found too godless. Therefore, while he was a long way to the authoritarian right, there are also some nuances that should be brought out. |
Comment on the politics - it would be good to support this with a specific quote. He was pro-Mussolini, and certainly very much a supporter of the Nationalist side in the Spanish Civil War. I don't want to write anything facile about this on the page. I believe his position in the early 1920s was sort of monarchist. I also believe that while his politics were fairly similar to the French style of [[Maurras]], he was not actually in agreement with Maurras, whom he found too godless. Therefore, while he was a long way to the authoritarian right, there are also some nuances that should be brought out. |
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[[User:Charles Matthews|Charles Matthews]] 07:51, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC) |
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== anti-evolution efforts == |
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If his anti-evolution writings were his "most effective", that's condemnation rather than praise, since they betrayed his lack of knowledge about science, and didn't really persuade those who knew about science of anything. Martin Gardner has an account in [[Fads and Fallacies in the Name of Science]]... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] ([[User talk:AnonMoos|talk]]) 00:38, 4 April 2021 (UTC) |
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== See also == |
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Happy New Year. I'm making an edit in "See also" section to include Hilaire Belloc - Wikiquote link: [https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Hilaire_Belloc Hilaire Belloc - Wikiquote]. Would anyone know how to in include the same thing using "<nowiki>[[...]]</nowiki>", rather than what I've done above with "[...]"? Thank for your help. |
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:: OK, here's the proper format that I've now incorporated into the "See also" sect. of the article: * [[Wikiquote:Hilaire Belloc|Hilaire Belloc - Wikiquote]]. |
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::[[User:Thomasmeeks|Thomasmeeks]] ([[User talk:Thomasmeeks|talk]]) 01:47, 2 January 2022 (UTC) |
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== About his writings == |
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Hillaire Belloe wrote comical Cautionary Tales for Children in verse. His verses rise to mock-serious heights and then provide a simple lesson. This poem describes a tragic incident that occurs as a result of giving a 'dangerous' balloon to George, with an obvious moral: don't give dangerous toys to little children. [[Special:Contributions/1.39.21.11|1.39.21.11]] ([[User talk:1.39.21.11|talk]]) 10:37, 14 February 2022 (UTC) |
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== More about his writings == |
== More about his writings == |
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Is his book "The Jews" (first published in or before 1922) relevant here? [[User:ELSchissel|ELSchissel]] ([[User talk:ELSchissel|talk]]) 15:59, 23 March 2022 (UTC) |
Is his book "The Jews" (first published in or before 1922) relevant here? [[User:ELSchissel|ELSchissel]] ([[User talk:ELSchissel|talk]]) 15:59, 23 March 2022 (UTC) |
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== 1923 US visit and deportation affair (vs Rosalsky) == |
== 1923 US visit and deportation affair (vs Rosalsky) == |
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In 1923 Belloc travelled to the US, and was threatened with deportation by Judge Otto Rosalsky, on account of anti-Semitism. He was defended by (among others) Henry Ford's Dearborn Independent, and Rabbi Rudolph Coffee, of the San Francisco Jewish Times. I have some of these sources at hand... would it be sufficiently noteworthy to add this episode to the article? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:TAPwiki|TAPwiki]] ([[User talk:TAPwiki#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TAPwiki|contribs]]) 18:48, 14 June 2022 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
In 1923 Belloc travelled to the US, and was threatened with deportation by Judge Otto Rosalsky, on account of anti-Semitism. He was defended by (among others) Henry Ford's Dearborn Independent, and Rabbi Rudolph Coffee, of the San Francisco Jewish Times. I have some of these sources at hand... would it be sufficiently noteworthy to add this episode to the article? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:TAPwiki|TAPwiki]] ([[User talk:TAPwiki#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TAPwiki|contribs]]) 18:48, 14 June 2022 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Date of Matilda Liar == |
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The publication date of the book Matilda Liar, mentioned in this article, is February 14th 1998[https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3031932-matilda-liar]. --[[User:Overlordnat1|Overlordnat1]] ([[User talk:Overlordnat1|talk]]) 08:32, 1 January 2023 (UTC) |
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== Overlong 'works' section == |
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The ''Works'' section of this article was incredibly long, and yet at the same time not exhaustive, as it is missing works which are elsewhere in the article is referred to as one of his best known works (The Four). It is largely a list of external links to archive.org, except that it doesn't actually have a complete list, with at most half of them linked. This sort of bibliography is not encyclopedic, especially since there is a separate page for his bibliography, and it feels like original research, as I don't see a source for the list. |
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I have removed this section and moved it to the bibliography page, where it makes more sense to exist at all. [[User:ACB Smith|<span style="color:Black;">'''Smith'''</span>]][[User talk:ACB Smith|<span style="color:Black; font-size:50%">(talk)</span>]] 16:32, 24 March 2023 (UTC) |
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== First World War == |
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As a page in the "English World War I poets" category (which is eminently correct), there's very little talk of his World War I poetry or other works. I've added a bit from Paul Fussell's ''The Great War and Modern Memory'' but I'm sure there's more to document here. [[User:RexSueciae|RexSueciae]] ([[User talk:RexSueciae|talk]]) 20:12, 24 October 2023 (UTC) |
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==Anti-Buddhism== |
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This page is in the category "Critics of Buddhism" but there is nothing in the article about his attitude toward Buddhism.[[User:Billposer|Bill]] ([[User talk:Billposer|talk]]) 01:53, 31 October 2023 (UTC) |
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::Nothing. Delete the category.[[User:Rick Norwood|Rick Norwood]] ([[User talk:Rick Norwood|talk]]) 19:45, 11 February 2024 (UTC) |
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[edit]To anon editor: please try to stay within the bounds of the NPOV style. Charles Matthews 22:47, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
To User:Polycarp: please note the above comment. This article, like any other at WP, is meant to be for information, not advocacy. I am going to change back parts of it. Charles Matthews 09:59, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Comment on the politics - it would be good to support this with a specific quote. He was pro-Mussolini, and certainly very much a supporter of the Nationalist side in the Spanish Civil War. I don't want to write anything facile about this on the page. I believe his position in the early 1920s was sort of monarchist. I also believe that while his politics were fairly similar to the French style of Maurras, he was not actually in agreement with Maurras, whom he found too godless. Therefore, while he was a long way to the authoritarian right, there are also some nuances that should be brought out. Charles Matthews 07:51, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
More about his writings
[edit]Hillaire Belloe wrote comical Cautionary Tales for Children in verse. His verses rise to mock-serious heights and then provide a simple lesson. This poem describes a tragic incident that occurs as a result of giving a 'dangerous' balloon to George, with an obvious moral: don't give dangerous toys to little children.
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RUNJHUN GAHLOT Class 6th 1.39.21.11 (talk) 10:41, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, I believe you mentioned above. His family name is Belloc with a c (apparently a spelling variation of Beaulieu (French for beautiful place), the area of France in which his family may have originated.) ELSchissel (talk) 16:02, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
Re Anti-semitism accusations paragraph
[edit]Is his book "The Jews" (first published in or before 1922) relevant here? ELSchissel (talk) 15:59, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- I think it definitely is TAPwiki (talk) 17:41, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
1923 US visit and deportation affair (vs Rosalsky)
[edit]In 1923 Belloc travelled to the US, and was threatened with deportation by Judge Otto Rosalsky, on account of anti-Semitism. He was defended by (among others) Henry Ford's Dearborn Independent, and Rabbi Rudolph Coffee, of the San Francisco Jewish Times. I have some of these sources at hand... would it be sufficiently noteworthy to add this episode to the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TAPwiki (talk • contribs) 18:48, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
Date of Matilda Liar
[edit]The publication date of the book Matilda Liar, mentioned in this article, is February 14th 1998[1]. --Overlordnat1 (talk) 08:32, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
Overlong 'works' section
[edit]The Works section of this article was incredibly long, and yet at the same time not exhaustive, as it is missing works which are elsewhere in the article is referred to as one of his best known works (The Four). It is largely a list of external links to archive.org, except that it doesn't actually have a complete list, with at most half of them linked. This sort of bibliography is not encyclopedic, especially since there is a separate page for his bibliography, and it feels like original research, as I don't see a source for the list.
I have removed this section and moved it to the bibliography page, where it makes more sense to exist at all. Smith(talk) 16:32, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
First World War
[edit]As a page in the "English World War I poets" category (which is eminently correct), there's very little talk of his World War I poetry or other works. I've added a bit from Paul Fussell's The Great War and Modern Memory but I'm sure there's more to document here. RexSueciae (talk) 20:12, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
Anti-Buddhism
[edit]This page is in the category "Critics of Buddhism" but there is nothing in the article about his attitude toward Buddhism.Bill (talk) 01:53, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
- Nothing. Delete the category.Rick Norwood (talk) 19:45, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
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