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== More about his writings == |
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=='May all my enemies go to Hell'== |
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As far as I know, this came from a rhyme Belloc composed in his fiction work The Four Men, and I've never heard of it used in a Christmas card. What is the source for this information? [[User:JNF Tveit|JNF Tveit]] 23:20, 1 January 2007 (UTC) |
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Hillaire Belloe wrote comical Cautionary Tales for Children in verse. His verses rise to mock-serious heights and then provide a simple lesson. This poem describes a tragic incident that occurs as a result of giving a 'dangerous' balloon to George, with an obvious moral: don't give dangerous toys to little children. |
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This rhyme appears in Belloc's ''The Four Men'', as one of the verses of a song one of the title characters, The Sailor, sings. It should be noted that the other characters regard the verse as fairly gauche and ill-conceived, and if the verse is taken out of this context it may be misunderstood. It should also be noted that these four characters supposedly represent four different facets of Belloc's own character; so while a part of Belloc may have agreed with this verse, other parts of him may have disagreed and checked the more offensive part. This is all inconsequential, however, if someone can cite a source which proves Belloc used the verse in a Christmas card. The verse in its entirety is as follows: |
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:'May all good fellows that here agree |
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:Drink Audit Ale in heaven with me, |
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:And may all my enemies go to hell! |
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:Noel! Noel! Noel! Noel! |
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:May all my enemies go to hell! |
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:Noel! Noel!' [[User:JNF Tveit|JNF Tveit]] 23:41, 2 January 2007 (UTC) |
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Since this material still goes unattested, and since the current version may be unjustly defamatory against Belloc's character, I am going to change it, pending attestation. [[User:JNF Tveit|JNF Tveit]] 20:27, 29 January 2007 (UTC) |
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:It seems an odd inclusion here.--[[User:Jack Upland|Jack Upland]] ([[User talk:Jack Upland|talk]]) 13:41, 16 July 2016 (UTC) |
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::I've now removed it. A song in a novel doesn't necessarily reflect his opinions.--[[User:Jack Upland|Jack Upland]] ([[User talk:Jack Upland|talk]]) 07:11, 17 July 2016 (UTC) |
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Class 6th [[Special:Contributions/1.39.21.11|1.39.21.11]] ([[User talk:1.39.21.11|talk]]) 10:41, 14 February 2022 (UTC) |
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:Yes, I believe you mentioned above. His family name is Belloc with a c (apparently a spelling variation of Beaulieu (French for beautiful place), the area of France in which his family may have originated.) [[User:ELSchissel|ELSchissel]] ([[User talk:ELSchissel|talk]]) 16:02, 23 March 2022 (UTC) |
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Manner of death (cause: fall) is vague. "Just four days before his eighty-third birthday, while dozing before the fireplace in his daughter's home, he fell into the flames and was so badly burned that he died in hospital at Guildford, Surrey, soon afterward on July 16, 1953" <small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/108.23.226.18|108.23.226.18]] ([[User talk:108.23.226.18|talk]]) 04:51, 21 February 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Dinner at the Vintners’ Hall. 23 October 1931 == |
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Not worthy of comment in the main article, but perhaps of interest to a researcher, might be his being mentioned in Tables of Content (1933), André L. Simon, #66: “Dinner at the Vintners’ Hall. 23 October 1931”, “The first dinner of the new-born ‘Saintsbury Club’”: “There was but one speech, but a real master-piece: Hilaire Belloc proposing the toast of Professor Saintsbury, whose birthday we were keeping. He spoke of his astounding knowledge of literature in all lands, of his transparent honesty and of his indomitable courage, the three cardinal virtues of the literary critic and also of the judge of wine—and old Professor Saintsbury such a master of both letters and wine.” (My pictures 9861-2.) [[User:JDAWiseman|JDAWiseman]] ([[User talk:JDAWiseman|talk]]) 20:38, 9 February 2016 (UTC) |
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== Re Anti-semitism accusations paragraph == |
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Is his book "The Jews" (first published in or before 1922) relevant here? [[User:ELSchissel|ELSchissel]] ([[User talk:ELSchissel|talk]]) 15:59, 23 March 2022 (UTC) |
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:I think it definitely is [[User:TAPwiki|TAPwiki]] ([[User talk:TAPwiki|talk]]) 17:41, 21 June 2022 (UTC) |
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== 1923 US visit and deportation affair (vs Rosalsky) == |
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In 1923 Belloc travelled to the US, and was threatened with deportation by Judge Otto Rosalsky, on account of anti-Semitism. He was defended by (among others) Henry Ford's Dearborn Independent, and Rabbi Rudolph Coffee, of the San Francisco Jewish Times. I have some of these sources at hand... would it be sufficiently noteworthy to add this episode to the article? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:TAPwiki|TAPwiki]] ([[User talk:TAPwiki#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TAPwiki|contribs]]) 18:48, 14 June 2022 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Date of Matilda Liar == |
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The publication date of the book Matilda Liar, mentioned in this article, is February 14th 1998[https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3031932-matilda-liar]. --[[User:Overlordnat1|Overlordnat1]] ([[User talk:Overlordnat1|talk]]) 08:32, 1 January 2023 (UTC) |
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The ''Works'' section of this article was incredibly long, and yet at the same time not exhaustive, as it is missing works which are elsewhere in the article is referred to as one of his best known works (The Four). It is largely a list of external links to archive.org, except that it doesn't actually have a complete list, with at most half of them linked. This sort of bibliography is not encyclopedic, especially since there is a separate page for his bibliography, and it feels like original research, as I don't see a source for the list. |
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I have removed this section and moved it to the bibliography page, where it makes more sense to exist at all. [[User:ACB Smith|<span style="color:Black;">'''Smith'''</span>]][[User talk:ACB Smith|<span style="color:Black; font-size:50%">(talk)</span>]] 16:32, 24 March 2023 (UTC) |
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== First World War == |
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As a page in the "English World War I poets" category (which is eminently correct), there's very little talk of his World War I poetry or other works. I've added a bit from Paul Fussell's ''The Great War and Modern Memory'' but I'm sure there's more to document here. [[User:RexSueciae|RexSueciae]] ([[User talk:RexSueciae|talk]]) 20:12, 24 October 2023 (UTC) |
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The list of "works" in the article ([[Hilaire Belloc#Works]]) is entirely made up of fairly obscure essays and articles, with the occasional link to a fringe website that hosts copies of them, but the main books are on a separate page, [[Hilaire Belloc bibliography]], which lists only books and no articles. This seems an entirely unhelpful way of presenting the material. I would suggest putting the long list of essays and articles in the "bibliography" and just list a few of the most notable works in the main article. --[[User:Andreas Philopater|Andreas Philopater]] ([[User talk:Andreas Philopater|talk]]) 19:14, 21 June 2019 (UTC) |
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==Anti-Buddhism== |
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This page is in the category "Critics of Buddhism" but there is nothing in the article about his attitude toward Buddhism.[[User:Billposer|Bill]] ([[User talk:Billposer|talk]]) 01:53, 31 October 2023 (UTC) |
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::Nothing. Delete the category.[[User:Rick Norwood|Rick Norwood]] ([[User talk:Rick Norwood|talk]]) 19:45, 11 February 2024 (UTC) |
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[edit]To anon editor: please try to stay within the bounds of the NPOV style. Charles Matthews 22:47, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
To User:Polycarp: please note the above comment. This article, like any other at WP, is meant to be for information, not advocacy. I am going to change back parts of it. Charles Matthews 09:59, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Comment on the politics - it would be good to support this with a specific quote. He was pro-Mussolini, and certainly very much a supporter of the Nationalist side in the Spanish Civil War. I don't want to write anything facile about this on the page. I believe his position in the early 1920s was sort of monarchist. I also believe that while his politics were fairly similar to the French style of Maurras, he was not actually in agreement with Maurras, whom he found too godless. Therefore, while he was a long way to the authoritarian right, there are also some nuances that should be brought out. Charles Matthews 07:51, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
More about his writings
[edit]Hillaire Belloe wrote comical Cautionary Tales for Children in verse. His verses rise to mock-serious heights and then provide a simple lesson. This poem describes a tragic incident that occurs as a result of giving a 'dangerous' balloon to George, with an obvious moral: don't give dangerous toys to little children.
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RUNJHUN GAHLOT Class 6th 1.39.21.11 (talk) 10:41, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, I believe you mentioned above. His family name is Belloc with a c (apparently a spelling variation of Beaulieu (French for beautiful place), the area of France in which his family may have originated.) ELSchissel (talk) 16:02, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
Re Anti-semitism accusations paragraph
[edit]Is his book "The Jews" (first published in or before 1922) relevant here? ELSchissel (talk) 15:59, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- I think it definitely is TAPwiki (talk) 17:41, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
1923 US visit and deportation affair (vs Rosalsky)
[edit]In 1923 Belloc travelled to the US, and was threatened with deportation by Judge Otto Rosalsky, on account of anti-Semitism. He was defended by (among others) Henry Ford's Dearborn Independent, and Rabbi Rudolph Coffee, of the San Francisco Jewish Times. I have some of these sources at hand... would it be sufficiently noteworthy to add this episode to the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TAPwiki (talk • contribs) 18:48, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
Date of Matilda Liar
[edit]The publication date of the book Matilda Liar, mentioned in this article, is February 14th 1998[1]. --Overlordnat1 (talk) 08:32, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
Overlong 'works' section
[edit]The Works section of this article was incredibly long, and yet at the same time not exhaustive, as it is missing works which are elsewhere in the article is referred to as one of his best known works (The Four). It is largely a list of external links to archive.org, except that it doesn't actually have a complete list, with at most half of them linked. This sort of bibliography is not encyclopedic, especially since there is a separate page for his bibliography, and it feels like original research, as I don't see a source for the list.
I have removed this section and moved it to the bibliography page, where it makes more sense to exist at all. Smith(talk) 16:32, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
First World War
[edit]As a page in the "English World War I poets" category (which is eminently correct), there's very little talk of his World War I poetry or other works. I've added a bit from Paul Fussell's The Great War and Modern Memory but I'm sure there's more to document here. RexSueciae (talk) 20:12, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
Anti-Buddhism
[edit]This page is in the category "Critics of Buddhism" but there is nothing in the article about his attitude toward Buddhism.Bill (talk) 01:53, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
- Nothing. Delete the category.Rick Norwood (talk) 19:45, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
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