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{{Hatnote|An interwiki conflict occurs when, for instance, the English Wikipedia links to a French article, which links to a German article, which, in turn, links to ''a different'' English article. They're a good part of the reason that Wikidata was created, but also one of the most complicated parts of the project, as they can often arise with articles with highly nuanced distinictions.}} |
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== Parsing links == |
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If you find an interwiki conflict, please list it here so that a Wikidata editor can investigate and clear up the issue. [[User:Sven Manguard|<font color="207004"><big>'''S</big>ven <big>M</big>anguard'''</font>]] [[User talk:Sven Manguard|<small><font color="F0A804">'''Wha?'''</font></small>]] 01:52, 18 February 2013 (UTC) |
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In the "using wikidata in Wikipedia articles" section, under parsing data, it says that using the statements function doesn't returns a link if the link is a redirect. The example itself is untrue, as calling for that Egyptologist data will indeed return a redirect link to Egyptology (as clearly shown around 2 lines later...). Is the whole statement untrue, or is there some qualification missing? Either way, it needs to be edited. <span style="background:#636363;border:solid#636363 1x;border-radius:15px;">'''[[User:JoeJShmo|<span style="color:#ffadbe">Jo</span><span style="color:#dbafff">e</span><span style="color:#afd0ff">J</span><span style="color:#aafff8">Sh</span><span style="color:#b6fcd5">mo</span>]]'''[[User talk:JoeJShmo|<sup><span style="transform:rotate(25deg);display:inline-block;">💌</span></sup>]]</span> 21:20, 26 July 2024 (UTC) |
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* [[Portal:Technology]] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Portal:Technology&diff=prev&oldid=538802498]) |
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:Could probably create a temporary noticeboard or something for it. This page could get really long otherwise. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 02:23, 18 February 2013 (UTC) |
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::There is one [http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Interwiki_conflicts on Wikidata]. [[User:Sven Manguard|<font color="207004"><big>'''S</big>ven <big>M</big>anguard'''</font>]] [[User talk:Sven Manguard|<small><font color="F0A804">'''Wha?'''</font></small>]] 02:42, 18 February 2013 (UTC) |
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:::I'm still not sure it's necessary to list it here, or even on Wikipedia at all. Part of the point of Wikidata is to centralize the data; it makes sense to me to centralize the discussion of that data as well. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 14:44, 18 February 2013 (UTC) |
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::::If they're easy ones, I can knock them off right here, and if they're too difficult, I can forward them to the main board on Wikidata. [[User:Sven Manguard|<font color="207004"><big>'''S</big>ven <big>M</big>anguard'''</font>]] [[User talk:Sven Manguard|<small><font color="F0A804">'''Wha?'''</font></small>]] 18:13, 18 February 2013 (UTC) |
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:It wasn't an "interwiki conflict", we just had two pages that linked to the same page on another wiki. Wikidata doesn't handle that case so the guy removing the links was correct to just leave those ones behind. [[Special:Contributions/86.44.163.139|86.44.163.139]] ([[User talk:86.44.163.139|talk]]) 02:31, 18 February 2013 (UTC) |
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::No, that's still a conflict. The Wikidata community will sort out which is the correct link. [[User:Sven Manguard|<font color="207004"><big>'''S</big>ven <big>M</big>anguard'''</font>]] [[User talk:Sven Manguard|<small><font color="F0A804">'''Wha?'''</font></small>]] 02:42, 18 February 2013 (UTC) |
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:::But there is no "Correct" link. It looks like to me that we have Portal:Science AND Portal:Technology, whereas they only have Portal:Science & Tech. If we want both English portals to link to that one portal, then one of the pages will have to keep a local interwikilink. In any case, the links that are working can still be removed just fine. It makes it easier to which links are causing problems and what (if anything) needs to be done. [[Special:Contributions/86.44.163.139|86.44.163.139]] ([[User talk:86.44.163.139|talk]]) 02:51, 18 February 2013 (UTC) |
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== Using getAllStatements == |
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Here is one to start with: [[Appomattox Court House National Historical Park]] is messed up with [[Appomattox Court House]]. I did not touch the second one, and in the first one, I added the note that the links should not be removed until the interwiki conflict has been solved.--[[User:Ymblanter|Ymblanter]] ([[User talk:Ymblanter|talk]]) 07:45, 18 February 2013 (UTC) |
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:Thanks, it's been handled and both pages are now cleared for Wikidata. [[User:Sven Manguard|<font color="207004"><big>'''S</big>ven <big>M</big>anguard'''</font>]] [[User talk:Sven Manguard|<small><font color="F0A804">'''Wha?'''</font></small>]] 17:44, 18 February 2013 (UTC) |
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On [[Module:Authority control]] we are currently reading the Wikidata item of an article about 150 times for each separate identifier using <code>getBestStatements</code>. I am wondering if it would be more efficient to extract all the statements in one go using <code>getAllStatements</code> and then process them with Lua. Does anyone have any insight into this? — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 09:16, 11 September 2024 (UTC) |
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=Discussion= |
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:Cross-posted to [[mw:Extension talk:Wikibase Client/Lua]] — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 15:56, 13 September 2024 (UTC) |
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==Edit summary== |
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Can users who are removing interwiki links please link to this Wikidata project, it looks like vandalism otherwise. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:30, 15 February 2013 (UTC) |
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:I started this page for precisely that reason. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 15:33, 16 February 2013 (UTC) |
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== Interlanguage links for redirects == |
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:This needs to be a priority. Removal of content without a valid reason will be treated as vandalism or inadvertent error unless clearly stated otherwise. [[User:Jfdwolff|JFW]] | [[User_talk:Jfdwolff|<small>T@lk</small>]] 22:12, 17 February 2013 (UTC) |
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::I've put in several hopefully prominent references to this, and I've also asked [[d:User:Yair Rand]] if he'd consider adding a default summary to his script.''' — <u>[[User:PinkAmpersand|<font color="000">PinkAmpers</font>]][[User:PinkAmpersand/Pink|<font color="FF1493">&</font>]]</u>'''[[User talk:PinkAmpersand|<font color="000"><sup>(<u>''Je vous invite à me parler''</u>)</sup></font>]] 00:07, 18 February 2013 (UTC) |
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:::Yep, it's priority number one. There's no reason for Wikipedia editors to accept these Wikidata changes. Explain or be prepared to be reverted on sight. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:56, 18 February 2013 (UTC) |
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{{ping|MSGJ}} could you describe the up-to-date practice for using redirects in interlanguage links, please? thanks! [[User:Fgnievinski|fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 01:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) |
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== "Should" and "should not" == |
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:I've reread [[:wikidata:Wikidata:Sitelinks_to_redirects#To_enter_a_sitelink_to_a_redirect_select_the_badge_first]] and I get it now; I've now updated the explanation at [[:en:Wikipedia:Wikidata]]. [[User:Fgnievinski|fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 04:59, 28 September 2024 (UTC) |
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I've attempted to remain agnostic on whether this page should give the community guidance on whether actions should or should not be performed. My opinion is that the RFC (unclosed) was a no consensus on any policy or guideline, so we should attempt to avoid giving such guidance. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 19:06, 16 February 2013 (UTC) |
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:For some reason I did not receive any notification of this post. But I'm glad you sorted it — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 10:02, 30 September 2024 (UTC) |
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::Pings don't work unless you [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Wikidata&diff=next&oldid=1248163862 sign at the same time] — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 10:03, 30 September 2024 (UTC) |
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==Wikidata |
== "Wikidata item" link is missing from side panel "Tools" == |
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[[File:Wikidata-logo-en.svg|150px|left]][[d:|Wikidata]] has been [http://blog.wikimedia.de/2013/02/13/wikidata-live-on-the-english-wikipedia/ deployed] to the English Wikipedia. Wikidata manages interwiki links on a separate project on pages such as [[d:q1|this]]. |
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The article says "From a Wikipedia page, you can go to the link "Wikidata item", using "Tools" in the side panel" but my interface does not show the "Wikidata item" link. I am using an ipad in desktop mode, default skin. I worked around this problem by making the desired change on the Wikidata website but surely I am not the only person having this problem? [[User:T g7|T g7]] ([[User talk:T g7|talk]]) 09:35, 27 October 2024 (UTC) |
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Further information: [[m:Wikidata/Deployment Questions]] and https://blog.wikimedia.de/?p=13892. |
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:In the last few days, the link has been moved to the "in other projects" section of the side panel — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 21:30, 27 October 2024 (UTC) |
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All interwiki bots that run on the English Wikipedia have now stopped adding interwiki links. |
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[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Afghanistan&diff=prev&oldid=538562970 Removal of interwiki links] on a page linked to a wikidata item that contains the links is NOT vandalism. Please use [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:Addshore/common.js&diff=prev&oldid=538609619 this script] which can identify if the links are found on wikidata. |
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If you have any questions regarding wikidata please use the talk page [[Wikipedia talk:Wikidata]]. '''[[User:Addshore|<span style="color:black">·Add§hore·</span>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:Addshore|<span style="color:black;">Talk To Me!</span>]]</sup> 21:04, 16 February 2013 (UTC) |
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: I have made a fork of that script that handles language codes with hyphens. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:William_Avery/common.js&diff=prev&oldid=538633877] [[User:William Avery|William Avery]] ([[User talk:William Avery|talk]]) 00:42, 17 February 2013 (UTC) |
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::Perfect! :) '''[[User:Addshore|<span style="color:black">·Add§hore·</span>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:Addshore|<span style="color:black;">Talk To Me!</span>]]</sup> 00:54, 17 February 2013 (UTC) |
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:::I would not have attempted it without your shared insight into the problem of underscores and hyphens. [[User:William Avery|William Avery]] ([[User talk:William Avery|talk]]) 00:57, 17 February 2013 (UTC) |
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::::It is rather odd how the API uses underscores and the rest of the world hyphens! I hate javascript though ;p Glad you managed to fix it! '''[[User:Addshore|<span style="color:black">·Add§hore·</span>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:Addshore|<span style="color:black;">Talk To Me!</span>]]</sup> 01:12, 17 February 2013 (UTC) |
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::William: Would you mind contacting Yair on wikidata to see if your fix can be implemented in their script? Many users already have his/hers installed so it would be good if we can fix all of those. [[User:Legoktm|Legoktm]] ([[User talk:Legoktm|talk]]) 01:13, 17 February 2013 (UTC) |
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::: It's fixed now. [[User:William Avery|William Avery]] ([[User talk:William Avery|talk]]) 13:06, 17 February 2013 (UTC) |
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:I really would urge people to link to this page in their edit summaries. I've just seen links removed by an IP, who can't be using a script to run checks. [[User:William Avery|William Avery]] ([[User talk:William Avery|talk]]) 23:29, 17 February 2013 (UTC) |
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::Could someone please point me to a page that actually explains how to use this new "facility"? [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 14:02, 18 February 2013 (UTC) |
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== recent/early deletions of IW links too opaque? == |
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I've seen some recent edits by [[User:Xqbot]] that initially looked suspicious and/or wrong. A little investigation revealed they are related this Wikidata project/initiative. This is probably a good thing, but seems a bit opaque right now in the early stages. |
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While there is the "edit links" thing over in the languages frame, these otherwise unexplained edits might catch editors unawares. Providing very explicit edit summaries along with a link to the associated wikidata page may be helpful during this transition. --[[:User:Dfred|Dfred]] <small>([[User talk:Dfred|talk]])</small> 04:30, 17 February 2013 (UTC) |
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:I agree, I just spotted a message on the users talk page about this and I have also had a message regarding my bot even when linking to the wikidata page explaining what wikidata is and the entry where the wikilinks can be found. '''[[User:Addshore|<span style="color:black">·Add§hore·</span>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:Addshore|<span style="color:black;">Talk To Me!</span>]]</sup> 11:37, 17 February 2013 (UTC) |
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== Splits and merges == |
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A useful thing to add might be advice on what Wikipedians are supposed to do to update Wikidata when there are page splits and page merges here -- what needs to be done to make interwiki links reflect the changed page scopes; and how much will or will not automatically be picked up by bots? [[User:Jheald|Jheald]] ([[User talk:Jheald|talk]]) 09:46, 18 February 2013 (UTC) |
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:I've actually been wondering that as well. That might be worth a broader topic at Wikidata, because those are issues which other wikis will have to deal with also, if it hasn't been discussed there yet. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 14:32, 18 February 2013 (UTC) |
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== Namespace bug == |
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{{tracked|44536}} |
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*There is something seriously wrong with editing the interlanguage links on Wikidata for pages outside mainspace. I've started a thread at [[d:Wikidata:Project chat#Namespace ignored]]. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 13:40, 18 February 2013 (UTC) |
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*:This is a known bug per the thread there. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 14:25, 18 February 2013 (UTC) |
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*:There is a fix, which will be backported during todays deployment. [[User:Legoktm|Legoktm]] ([[User talk:Legoktm|talk]]) 15:26, 18 February 2013 (UTC) |
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== Removed the large banners == |
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They largely duplicate the actual content of the sections without adding substantially to understanding, in my opinion. I think the nutshell already captures the intent fine. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 14:42, 18 February 2013 (UTC) |
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:I put the top one back because we really do need people to see the link to the conflict section so that these things can get fixed and not languish forever. [[User:Sven Manguard|<font color="207004"><big>'''S</big>ven <big>M</big>anguard'''</font>]] [[User talk:Sven Manguard|<small><font color="F0A804">'''Wha?'''</font></small>]] 17:39, 18 February 2013 (UTC) |
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== Reminder AGAIN == |
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Please can all Wikidata editors ENSURE they place a link to this project in their edit summaries when they remove interwiki links. I mean a LINK, not just a passing nod to WIkidata. This roll-out has confused many editors and anything we can do to prevent unnecessary confusion is good. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:20, 18 February 2013 (UTC) |
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:The only ways to fix the problems are a) tell specific offending editors and b) explain to specific confused editors. There is nothing else that can be done by noting your problem here. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 18:38, 18 February 2013 (UTC) |
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::Why aren't Wikidata editors paying attention to the concerns being raised here? Surely the project knew it was going to cause havoc (in a sense) and should have agreed on an approach which both educated and encouraged other Wikipedia editors to contribute to Wikidata rather than just telling them "There is nothing else that can be done by noting your problem here". This isn't Wikidata, this is Wikipedia, if editors continue to cause disruption by not adequately explaining their motives, then I suggest all Wikidata editors' edits should be reverted on sight. It's pretty clear there's no control, no quality control, no cohesive approach to rolling this out. Poor show. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:41, 18 February 2013 (UTC) |
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:::This is not the page to point out your problem. Period. Full stop. You need to [[WP:AGF]] with editors who are both removing links and reverting removal of links '''by talking to them'''. You should raise your issue at [[WP:AN|AN]] or [[WP:ANI|ANI]] if you approach a specific editor and said editor proverbially spits in your eye. Anything less than that means that you have not followed the appropriate [[WP:DR|dispute resolution procedure]] to get the problem fixed. There is otherwise nothing that can be done here '''to fix editor behavior''' beyond what has already been done (which is to note here that edit summaries are encouraged but not required, in line with [[WP:Edit summary]]). --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 19:28, 18 February 2013 (UTC) |
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::::Sorry, but what the fuck? I'm more than happy to see Wikidata edits being made, but all I'm saying is that this is WIkipedia, not Wikidata. Wikidata editors who start pissing about with Wikipedia pages need to explain what they're doing. I most certainly '''do''' assume good faith but those editors who are working on behalf of Wikidata need to realise that they should be clearly explaining their behaviour. I'm not going to dispute resolution or elsewhere, I'm asking really, really nicely that those people who have summarily decided to edit on behalf of Wikidata have some respect and tell us what the hell they're doing, even in the edit summaries. Now get over it and get on with it or expect your project edits to be removed as vandalism because they're causing issues, they're not being explained and they're disrupting this Wikipedia. I'm sure, if your project managed it better, it would be fine, but right now, it's a complete mess and Wikidata should be ashamed of itself. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 21:45, 18 February 2013 (UTC) |
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Parsing links
[edit]In the "using wikidata in Wikipedia articles" section, under parsing data, it says that using the statements function doesn't returns a link if the link is a redirect. The example itself is untrue, as calling for that Egyptologist data will indeed return a redirect link to Egyptology (as clearly shown around 2 lines later...). Is the whole statement untrue, or is there some qualification missing? Either way, it needs to be edited. JoeJShmo💌 21:20, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
Using getAllStatements
[edit]On Module:Authority control we are currently reading the Wikidata item of an article about 150 times for each separate identifier using getBestStatements. I am wondering if it would be more efficient to extract all the statements in one go using getAllStatements and then process them with Lua. Does anyone have any insight into this? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:16, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Cross-posted to mw:Extension talk:Wikibase Client/Lua — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:56, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
Interlanguage links for redirects
[edit]@MSGJ: could you describe the up-to-date practice for using redirects in interlanguage links, please? thanks! fgnievinski (talk) 01:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- I've reread wikidata:Wikidata:Sitelinks_to_redirects#To_enter_a_sitelink_to_a_redirect_select_the_badge_first and I get it now; I've now updated the explanation at en:Wikipedia:Wikidata. fgnievinski (talk) 04:59, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- For some reason I did not receive any notification of this post. But I'm glad you sorted it — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:02, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Pings don't work unless you sign at the same time — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:03, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
"Wikidata item" link is missing from side panel "Tools"
[edit]The article says "From a Wikipedia page, you can go to the link "Wikidata item", using "Tools" in the side panel" but my interface does not show the "Wikidata item" link. I am using an ipad in desktop mode, default skin. I worked around this problem by making the desired change on the Wikidata website but surely I am not the only person having this problem? T g7 (talk) 09:35, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- In the last few days, the link has been moved to the "in other projects" section of the side panel — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:30, 27 October 2024 (UTC)