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== Adjustment of "Teyvat's Major Nations" Table ==
== Consensus needed - should Genshin be described as a JRPG in the lede, or simply as an RPG? ==


There are a couple changes I'd like to suggest:
I am opening this discussion before an edit war breaks out.
*Removal of "Khaenri'ah City", or at least replacement with a TBA field as I don't think the name of Khaenri'ah's capital has been officially stated anywhere in or out-of-game.
*Removal of the entire Celestia row, as it's not a nation. Additionally, "Asmoday" is not a name that has been confirmed in-game and was found through datamined file names during the Closed Beta Test.
*Replacement of "Zapolyarny Palace" (currently misspelled as "Zapolyarny Place") with TBA, since it has yet to be confirmed whether Zapolyarny Palace is a city or just the residence of the Tsaritsa (like Palais Mermonia or Tenshukaku in Fontaine and Inazuma, respectively).
*Potential adjustment to Mavuika's date of ascension, as she technically became the Pyro Archon on two separate occasions (Kachina states that Mavuika "achieved an overwhelming victory" in a pilgrimage where she became Archon, despite not knowing that she was Archon 500 years prior). Either the most recent ascension could take priority and the number would be "<100" or similar, or both could be listed similarly to Nahida's dates.
[[User:PahsivPahsiv|PahsivPahsiv]] ([[User talk:PahsivPahsiv|talk]]) 21:47, 16 October 2024 (UTC)


:orh ok thx for suggesting i'll update the table when i free @[[User:PahsivPahsiv|PahsivPahsiv]] [[User:Foxy Husky|Foxy Husky]] ([[User talk:Foxy Husky|talk]]) 07:27, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
I do not think it needs to be described as a JRPG. Simply describing it as an RPG is more appropriate according to [[MOS:JARGON]], and other well-known JRPG series like [[Hyperdimension Neptunia]], [[Fire Emblem]] and even [[Pokémon (video game series)|Pokémon]] are not directly classified as such in their respective articles; the first and the third are described as RPGs, while the second is described as a tactical RPG. [[User:Kingerikthesecond|<b><span style="color:#800000">KingErikII</span></b>]] <b>([[User_talk:Kingerikthesecond|<span style="color:#800080">Talk page</span>]])</b> 00:35, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

:Zero prose and sourcing right now that seem to call Genshin Impact a "JRPG". More importantly, kinda central to the definition... It's not a Japanese game. -- [[User:Ferret|ferret]] ([[User_talk:Ferret|talk]]) 01:33, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
::Indeed, which is another reason why I find it unnecessary and inappropriate to label Genshin a JRPG in the lede. --[[User:Kingerikthesecond|<b><span style="color:#800000">KingErikII</span></b>]] <b>([[User_talk:Kingerikthesecond|<span style="color:#800080">Talk page</span>]])</b> 01:44, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
:::Right. Although we should acknowledge anime/manga aesthetic. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]&#124;[[User talk:Piotrus|<span style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> reply here</span>]]</sub> 13:29, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
:::JRPG does not mean the origin has to be Japanese.
:::The defiunition on Wikitionary is "Initialism of Japanese role-playing game, a traditional genre of role-playing video game generally understood as involving a pre-determined story and player characters, a party of multiple controllable characters, and an emphasis on narrative and storytelling."
:::I believe that Genshin fits the definition. [[User:GENeration.XVII|GENeration.XVII]] ([[User talk:GENeration.XVII|talk]]) 01:41, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
::::Definition.* [[User:GENeration.XVII|GENeration.XVII]] ([[User talk:GENeration.XVII|talk]]) 01:46, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
::::Going by that definition, this can also be applied to GTA 5. Is GTA 5 a JRPG? Clearly that entry in Wikitionary was trying to say it's for *Japanese* games with the above mentioned characteristics. Though, it should be edited to make the wording more clear. Obviously neither GTA 5 nor Genshin Impact are JRPGs. [[User:MuggyForecast|MuggyForecast]] ([[User talk:MuggyForecast|talk]]) 11:12, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
:Genshin Impact's distinct blend of visual style, thematic elements, and gameplay mechanics warrants its classification as a JRPG (Japanese Role-Playing Game). The game draws significant inspiration from Japanese anime and manga, both aesthetically and thematically, and features gameplay mechanics commonly associated with JRPGs, such as party-based combat and character progression. Despite being developed by a Chinese studio, miHoYo, Genshin Impact's design principles and narrative influences align closely with traditional JRPGs. I believe there is no harm in classifying Genshin Impact in that manner. [[User:GENeration.XVII|GENeration.XVII]] ([[User talk:GENeration.XVII|talk]]) 01:49, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
::Feel free to provide some reliable secondary sourcing that backs your claim. -- [[User:Ferret|ferret]] ([[User_talk:Ferret|talk]]) 01:51, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
:Though, describing Houkai Star Rail as a JRPG might be more accurate than Genshin. [[User:GENeration.XVII|GENeration.XVII]] ([[User talk:GENeration.XVII|talk]]) 01:51, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
::It doesn't matter; you need to provide reliable sources that back up your claim. Otherwise, "JRPG" just violates [[WP:JARGON]], even if technically correct. --[[User:Kingerikthesecond|<b><span style="color:#800000">KingErikII</span></b>]] <b>([[User_talk:Kingerikthesecond|<span style="color:#800080">Talk page</span>]])</b> 02:02, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
:::Addendum: On Wikipedia, games are described based on what reliable, secondary sources say about them; the "JRPG" label is simply too niche compared to the more commonly-understood "RPG". Furthermore, when writing articles on Wikipedia, it's a good idea to stick with layman's terms to increase readability. "JRPG" is too technical, and a reader may wonder why a Chinese creation is described as a "'''Japanese''' Role-Playing Game". [[User:Kingerikthesecond|<b><span style="color:#800000">KingErikII</span></b>]] <b>([[User_talk:Kingerikthesecond|<span style="color:#800080">Talk page</span>]])</b> 02:21, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

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Adjustment of "Teyvat's Major Nations" Table

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There are a couple changes I'd like to suggest:

  • Removal of "Khaenri'ah City", or at least replacement with a TBA field as I don't think the name of Khaenri'ah's capital has been officially stated anywhere in or out-of-game.
  • Removal of the entire Celestia row, as it's not a nation. Additionally, "Asmoday" is not a name that has been confirmed in-game and was found through datamined file names during the Closed Beta Test.
  • Replacement of "Zapolyarny Palace" (currently misspelled as "Zapolyarny Place") with TBA, since it has yet to be confirmed whether Zapolyarny Palace is a city or just the residence of the Tsaritsa (like Palais Mermonia or Tenshukaku in Fontaine and Inazuma, respectively).
  • Potential adjustment to Mavuika's date of ascension, as she technically became the Pyro Archon on two separate occasions (Kachina states that Mavuika "achieved an overwhelming victory" in a pilgrimage where she became Archon, despite not knowing that she was Archon 500 years prior). Either the most recent ascension could take priority and the number would be "<100" or similar, or both could be listed similarly to Nahida's dates.

PahsivPahsiv (talk) 21:47, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

orh ok thx for suggesting i'll update the table when i free @PahsivPahsiv Foxy Husky (talk) 07:27, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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