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== The ''Uirapuru'' spelling war ==
By modern official Portuguese spelling rules, the word ''uirapuru'' does not carry an acute accent (an oxytone terminating in ''u''). It is possible that at the time Villa-Lobos wrote the piece, ''uirapurú'' was also an accepted form. Also possible that the spelling in the score reflects a decision by the French editor. If the standard is to refer to a musical piece by its original designation, the occurrence in the list of works should also be corrected. However, when referring to the bird itself (there is one instance), the modern spelling should be used. ''Uirapuru'', without the diacritical, is already used elsewhere in the Wikipedia. I know, it is nit-picking. -- [[Special:Contributions/201.53.152.184|201.53.152.184]] ([[User talk:201.53.152.184|talk]]) 01:25, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

:Well, you learn something every day. I see from the timeline of reforms in [[Spelling reforms of Portuguese]] that this standard must have been established in 1973, 1986, or 1990—in any case long after the composer's death. For what it's worth, the score was published in 1948, by Associated Music Publishers in New York (though it is still possible the editor was French, I suppose). Both this published score and the autograph manuscript dated "5/6/46" in the Leopold Stokowski collection at the University of Pennsylvania Library have the acute accent. It is probably for this reason that the Library of Congress adopted the spelling ''with'' the accent as their standard for the title of this composition.—[[User:Jerome Kohl|Jerome Kohl]] ([[User talk:Jerome Kohl|talk]]) 22:21, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

:In Brazil, these spelling rules were adopted in 1943. Before that there was no official orthography. A more recent law (1971) eliminated some non-essential diacritics such as in the word ''Choro'', which no longer carries the circumflex. Hard to say if HVL consciously kept his own spelling for the word at the time of publication. The piece had been written a while before. In the little material they have online, the Villa-Lobos museum adopts modern spelling for all work titles in Portuguese. I am not sure if the Wikipedia has a recommendation on the issue. Either way, it looks like this entry is due for a rewrite. The spelling in text body is not consistent with list of works, which also incomplete. -- [[Special:Contributions/201.53.152.184|201.53.152.184]] ([[User talk:201.53.152.184|talk]]) 17:27, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

== Dear Mr. Kohl (10/31/2007) ==
En la continuidad de nuestras comunicaciones de Julio de 2007, me permito escribirle en español por las deficiencias que tengo en el uso del idioma Ingles.
Como un intento más para que Usted comprenda mejor lo que he tratado de explicarle anteriormente, le envio la siguiente direccion de internet:

http://ronaldpaz.iespana.es

que contiene el documento presentado por mi persona en la Conferencia Villa Lobos celebrada en Paris el año 2002.
Agradeciendo sus futuros comentarios, le saluda muy atentamente

Ronald Paz
== [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Biography/Assessment#Class_parameter|Biography assessment rating]] comment ==
The article may be improved by following the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Biography#WikiProject_Biography_11_easy_steps_to_producing_at_least_a_B_article|WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps]] to producing at least a B article. -- [[User:Edofedinburgh|Edofedinburgh]] 01:11, 24 March 2007 (UTC)


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== Dear Mr. Kohl ==
It is possible that I have not kept the forms from Wikipedia; I request excuses for that reason.
When I affirm something I make it with total conviction and sincerity. This drift of the fact that my existence is product of the acts and the decisions that in the past took Heitor Villa-Lobos. In other words, I would not exist if he had not done what he did. Finally, I mean to you that Heitor Villa-Lobos is looking for true friends. He wants to relate his truth, and those that claim to be their friends not allow it.
Kindly
Ronald Paz

== Was Villa-Lobos really sterile? ==

http://guiadoscuriosos.ig.com.br/index.php?cat_id=52969
internet brasilian source

Heitor Villa-Lobos (1887-1959)

• Tuhú era seu apelido de infância.
• Aos 6 anos, Heitor Villa-Lobos aprendeu a tocar violoncelo com o pai, em uma viola especialmente adaptada. Foi nessa época que compôs a sua primeira peça, Panqueca.
• Dona Noêmia, sua mãe, queria que Villa-Lobos estudasse medicina. Assim, proibiu o menino de estudar piano, com medo de que ele se empolgasse com a música.
• Estudou violão escondido de seus pais, que não aprovavam sua aproximação com os "chorões", músicos que se reuniam para tocar por prazer, em festas e durante o carnaval.
• Em 1915, no Auditório do Jornal do Comércio, Villa-Lobos realizou o primeiro concerto dedicado às suas composições.
• '''Uma doença venérea o deixou estéril'''.
• O maestro tinha mania de empinar pipas. Certa vez, na França, ele fez uma pipa de 3 metros. O vento o arrastou junto com o pianista espanhol Tomaz Téran, que participava da brincadeira.
• Ele aprendeu a jogar capoeira.
• Villa-Lobos acabou (por carta) um casamento de 23 anos com Lucília Guimarães em 1936. Logo depois, se casou com Arminda Neves d'Almeida, 25 anos mais jovem que ele.
• Era um mitômano assumido. Uma das histórias mais conhecidas envolvendo seu nome é a de que teria escapado por pouco de ser devorado por índios antropófagos.
• Ele estreou como músico "modernista" na Semana de Arte Moderna de 1922, realizada no Teatro Municipal de São Paulo. Apresentou Sonata nº 2, Danças Características Africanas, Quarteto Simbólico e Impressões da Vida Mundana em meio a vaias e urros da platéia. O mais curioso é que em um de seus concertos entrou de casaca e de chinelos, pois estava com um dos pés machucado.
• Todo o acervo deixado por Villa-Lobos após a morte estão arquivados no Museu Villa-Lobos, que fica no Rio de Janeiro (RJ). São 13 mil documentos, entre cartas, partituras, livros de sua biblioteca pessoal, cartazes e programas de concertos e reportagens publicadas enquanto era vivo.



Started a Villa-Lobos page, my first contribution to Wikipedia. Hope to have the page translated into (at least) Portuguese. - [[User:Deanfrey|Deanfrey]] 22:36 Jan 31, 2003 (UTC)

== If you need help... ==

If you need help, I can translate the article into Portuguese for you!

--[[User:Milena Popovic|Milena]] 16:46, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)

*[http://www.musica.ufrn.br/gravacoes/escudeiro230703/Gavota-Choro%20-%20Villa-Lobos.mp3 Gavota]

Nobody promised it would be easy??

http://www.musica.ufrn.br/gravacoes/escudeiro230703/index.htm

http://www.musica.ufrn.br

But great..

== "Best known composer" ==
I would think that the statement would need verification? Admittedly, I don't know where to find it...
[[User:Diogenes00|Diogenes00]] 20:57, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

:My source is ''Componistenlexicon'' (Th. Willemze, 1971, in Dutch; English: ''Composers Lexicon''), which states about Villa-Lobos: ''the greatest composer of the South-American continent''. Some more or less independent Web sites:
:*Guild Music [http://www.guildmusic.com/composer/loboshv.htm] ''Since his death in 1959 Villa-Lobos has been recognised as the great genius of South American music.''
:*Encyclopædia Britannica [http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9075361]: ''one of the foremost Latin American composers of the 20th century''

:I can also live with an addition like "of the 20th century" or "during his life time", but there are not many composers from South-America. Are there any other candidates for best known composer of South America? [[User:China Crisis|China Crisis]] 08:43, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

:: [[Astor Piazzolla]]. [[User:JackofOz|JackofOz]] 08:47, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

::: I changed ''best known composer'' to ''best known classical composer'' [[User:China Crisis|China Crisis]] 08:03, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

:::: Would anyone be opposed to changing it to "one of the best known..."? Frankly the phrase best known is just not very neutral at all... [[User:Harryhoy7|Harryhoy7]] ([[User talk:Harryhoy7|talk]]) 05:30, 20 February 2017 (UTC)Harryhoy7

:::Since this phrase has already been changed several times since that discussion eleven years ago, and the current version cites a reliable source, what is wrong with [[WP:STICKTOTHESOURCE|sticking to the source]]?—[[User:Jerome Kohl|Jerome Kohl]] ([[User talk:Jerome Kohl|talk]]) 21:27, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

== LOST? ==

I wonder why the note for the lost pieces really remind me of the title of a tv series :p [[User:Sentausa|sentausa]] 14:47, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

== Copied? ==

Compare the article to this article: [http://www.rdpl.red-deer.ab.ca/villa/biog.html] I think it's copied straight from there. I hate when Wikipedia does this. I find it all over the place. This definitely is not free domain text and needs to be edited. [[User:Hazelorb|Hazelorb]] 02:28, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
: I agreed with this comment, and have done something about it. --[[User:RobertG|RobertG]] &#9836; [[User talk:RobertG|talk]] 17:43, 30 September 2006 (UTC)


==Citations==
In the comment field on an edit made at 02:58 on 24 November 2006, [[Robert G]] wrote: <blockquote>this _was_ all referenced! - all my info came from Wright 1992 (which was the only reference I added); thanks for classifying it all as doubtful... I don't have to dig out page numbers, do I?</blockquote>
Yes, page numbers are generally regarded as necessary when citing a source as large as even a full-sized article, let alone a book. (Newspaper articles are another matter.) See the discussion of page numbers in the Wikipedia guide to sources at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia%3ACiting_sources#Page_numbers

I am the person largely responsible for those flags, some of which were on completely unreferenced statements (such as the one that unnamed "serialists" rejected Villa-Lobos's music in the 1950s and 60s). Others which merely point to Wright's book in some cases contradict information in other sources in the reference list (particularly Peppercorn), and in others are simply interesting points that I would like to verify without having to scan Wright from cover to cover each time.--[[User:Jerome Kohl|Jerome Kohl]] 21:38, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I think Villa-Lobos' page needs a list of his works at the bottom (a separate list page already exists but I'm not sure how to merge it) - I also think his major works deserve pages of their own with at least a brief summary and a sociopolitical context (other great composers are awarded this!) so I've added links to these nonexistant pages and will create the ones I feel I know enough about (such as ''Amazonas'')-JC

:This seems perfectly sensible to me, though I do wonder whether the ''Invocação em defesa da patria'' is a work of sufficient importance to deserve such treatment. Certainly the ''Chôros'' and the ''Bachianas brasileiras'' deserve to have articles, and all the better because they can be dealt with as collections rather than one at a time. As for merging the list of works with the article, I don't see what's wrong with the arrangement as it stands. Considering the huge output of this composer, merging would have the disadvantage of turning an encyclopedia article into a book-length document--[[User:Jerome Kohl|Jerome Kohl]] 21:37, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

==Persistent vandal?==
Four times in the past two days a text, apparently claiming (the grammar is so bad that it is hard to tell exactly) that Villa-Lobos fathered an illegitimate daughter in 1935, has been added to this article, and removed by me on grounds of vandalism. Each time, the item concludes with a statement to contact one Ronald Paz, at a yahoo.com email address, for further information, though it is not certain that Mr. Paz is the individual responsible for this persistent reposting. It is possible that this addition was meant sincerely, in which case I ask the anonymous poster (from four different but possibly related addresses, 200.87.183.201, 200.87.183.84, 200.87.181.37, and 200.87.181.244) to bring the discussion to this page.

In case the writer accepts this invitation, I find the following defects:
# The writer claims that "all 'the official' biographies" state that Villa-Lobos was sterile. These biographies are not named, nor are page references given. I know of only one "official" biography (the brief one published by the Villa-Lobos Museum), and it contains no mention of Villa-Lobos's fertility or lack thereof. Nor do the other biographies I have read (admittedly not every single published one).
# The citation of a biopic (''Villa-Lobos Uma Vida de Paixao'', 2000) is not a reliable source of verification for biographical facts.
# Reference to "docuemnts [''sic''] in the Congress (Conference) the International Heitor Villa-Lobos, celebrated year 2002 in Paris-France" is vague. A conference-paper citation requires (1) the title of that paper, (2) the author's name, (3) the date on which it was delivered and, ideally, actual or prospective publication data. It is not clear even if these claims were made in a formal paper, or if they may have been made in casual conversations in the corridors or over lunch.
# I have cross-checked the Villa-Lobos articles on the French, Portuguese, and Finnish Wikipedia sites (the Conference in question was jointly sponsored by institutions in Brazil and Finland), none of which mention these claims.
# A search of the [http://www.music.helsinki.fi/villa-lobos-2002/ International Villa-Lobos Conference official website] does not turn up any mention of such a paper, nor does a general web-wide search, though five or six other papers presented at the conference are easily found. It seems preposterous that such information, if well-founded, would not have been disseminated for five years following the conference.
# Given the oblique reference to monetary claims owing to the alleged daughter, legal proceedings must have been filed in a court of law somewhere. Such filings would be public records, and could be cited as references, along with the findings of the court.

It is of course commonplace for such claims to be made in cases where a substantial amount of money may be involved. However, this erstwhile contributor has not even documented where and how these matters have been brought up. If in fact documentation can be brought forward, I will cheerfully concede the merit in these claims. For now, it looks to me like only malicious and unfounded gossip.--[[User:Jerome Kohl|Jerome Kohl]] 01:15, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

:Definitely keep it out of the article unless a reliable, published source can be found. I've never heard this before either. Thanks, [[User:Antandrus|Antandrus ]] [[User_talk:Antandrus|(talk)]] 01:50, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

== Answer to Mr. Kohl ==

My name is Ronald Paz and I am the author of the note inserted in the page of Wikipedia. I am the grandson of Heitor Villa-Lobos and in that quality I write. Therefore I am not a vandal. I understand your surprise when seeing suddenly an affirmation like which I do. But my story is true and I can say that: You of the personal life of Villa-Lobos nothing knows. You write with sources of third hand; that's not my case. For your information: 1. I was present in Paris in the Conference; 2.I presented officially the document denominated “In memory of Heitor Villa - Lobos, Results of a Research”, where with luxury of details it is related as the existence of the Daughter of Villa Lobos were hidden by the Museum Villa Lobos and in individual by Mrs. Arminda Neves de Almeida. Therefore, one was not conversation in the corridors.
Why the conclusions of that Conference were not published?

3. I know all those that participate in this conference: Turibio Santos; Pierre Vidal; Eero Tarasti and much others including the representative of Max Esching: publisher, with who my grandfathers had to subscribe a inescrupulous contract.
With these antecedents, I recommend you that before erasing the things one inquires more. Finally, I must say you that I am going to follow insertanto my truth in the page of Wikipedia, because It's my right and You are not the owner of this free encyclopedia
Kindly Ronald Paz
:Mr. Paz, I can see that you are sincere, but the polemical tone you adopt is, as one other editor has pointed out, "not encyclopedic". Removing matter written in such a tone does not require that an editor "inquires more". Rather, it is the responsibility of the ''contributor'' to provide adequate documentation, especially when exceptional claims are being made. It is not your "right" to insert just anything at all. On the contrary, it is not only the right but the duty of other editors here to remove undocumented, contentious or dubious material. Please see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources Wikipedia:Reliable sources], particularly the section titled “Exceptional claims require exceptional sources”. I get the impression that you are not very familiar with Wikipedia policies and guidelines, and so I recommend that you read:
:[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Five_pillars Wikipedia:five pillars] (also in [http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Los_cinco_pilares Spanish] and [http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipédia:Principes_fondateurs French])
::as well as three key policies:
:#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view Neutral point of view] ([http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Punto_de_vista_neutral Spanish], [http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipédia:Neutralité_de_point_de_vue French])
:#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability Verifiability] ([http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verificabilidad Spanish], [http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipédia:Vérifiabilité French])
:#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research No original research] ([http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_no_es_una_fuente_primaria Spanish], [http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipédia:Travaux_inédits French])
:If you adhere to these guidelines and provide the necessary documentation, there will be no need for anyone to remove your contribution (though of course, like everything else on Wikipedia, anyone can edit the text).--[[User:Jerome Kohl|Jerome Kohl]] 18:53, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

== Best known ==
I don't feel strongly enough to put it back, and obviously others disagree with me, but <s>as the main contributor to this article</s> I do feel I need to register that I think [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Heitor_Villa-Lobos&diff=252040043&oldid=251945456 this assertion] is [[not even wrong]]. --[[User:RobertG|RobertG]] ♬ [[User talk:RobertG|talk]] 23:37, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
:I take it that you are denying any difference between "classical" and "popular" music?—[[User:Jerome Kohl|Jerome Kohl]] ([[User talk:Jerome Kohl|talk]]) 23:41, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
::Not at all :-) I think Piazzola studied with Nadia Boulanger, and his works are in the repertoire of "classical musicians" such as the Katona twins. --[[User:RobertG|RobertG]] &#9836; [[User talk:RobertG|talk]] 09:02, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
:Well, Burt Bacharach studied with Milton Babbitt, but that doesn't make him well-known as a classical composer, and Jimi Hendrix's "Purple Haze" and "Little Wing" are in the repertoire of "classical musicians" such as the Kronos Quartet, Nigel Kennedy, Michael Nicolella, and the Polish Chamber Orchestra. FWIW, I just checked a web-based classical-music CD outlet and was surprised to find 360 recordings with music by Piazzolla there. Mind you, 148 of them are of his three best-known tangos. The same site lists 471 recordings of Villa-Lobos, if that is anything to go by.—[[User:Jerome Kohl|Jerome Kohl]] ([[User talk:Jerome Kohl|talk]]) 22:09, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
::That's fascinating. I don't think Bacharach's or Hendrix's oeuvres are like Piazzola's. You'd probably find that most of the hundreds of available recordings of Johann Strauss II are of his ten most popular waltzes, marches and polkas. To get back to the point - I am fairly certain that Villa-Lobos is not ''easily'' the most well-known classical composer from South America. --[[User:RobertG|RobertG]] &#9836; [[User talk:RobertG|talk]] 09:36, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
:All right, then, accepting that Piazzolla does not fall into this category, who would be Villa-Lobos's closest competitors? [[Silvestre Revueltas|Revueltas]]? [[Alberto Ginastera|Ginastera]]? [[Manuel María Ponce|Ponce]]? [[Antônio Carlos Gomes|Gomes]]? Although all of these are well-known, I can scarcely imagine any of them as serious rivals for fame. There is also the question of what criteria determine "well-known-ness". Would simply removing the word "easily" from the lede satisfy you? Or might it be better to quote Gerard Béhague's ''New Grove'' article, which more modestly calls him "the single most significant creative figure in 20th-century Brazilian art music"?—[[User:Jerome Kohl|Jerome Kohl]] ([[User talk:Jerome Kohl|talk]]) 22:16, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
::Sorry, I cannot have expressed myself clearly. I still think Piazzola is his "closest competitor" - although that phrase turns it into a beauty contest, which it surely isn't. I agree with you about the others. I also think the fact that we can have this discussion makes the lead's assertion about Villa-Lobos and South America into original research (unless there's a reliable source). I like Béhague's comment very much - and I think that would be much more apposite. I rank a composer's creative significance as much more notable than his well-known-ness, anyway. --[[User:RobertG|RobertG]] &#9836; [[User talk:RobertG|talk]] 23:49, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
:OK, I think we are in agreement at least that the sentence in question amounts to OR. I have changed the lede accordingly, to incorporate Béhague's assessment.—[[User:Jerome Kohl|Jerome Kohl]] ([[User talk:Jerome Kohl|talk]]) 03:37, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
::I concur. Thank you. --[[User:RobertG|RobertG]] &#9836; [[User talk:RobertG|talk]] 09:05, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Why can't the lead (I refuse to write ''lede'') just say Villa-Lobos was a composer? Why must it rank him? By the way, Burt Bacharach did ''not'' study with Milton Babbitt; he studied with Martinu and Milhaud. You're probably thinking of Stephen Sondheim, who studied for two years with Milton Babbitt more or less as graduate work. Although Sondheim and Burt Bacharach are around the same age and Bacharach did write one musical, it seems to me pretty strange to confuse the two. Also: Ponce was ''Mexican''. Mexico is in ''North'' America, not South America. Mexico doesn't even border South America; there are eight more North American countries in between. In my opinion, Villa-Lobos is far less significant a composer than Ginastera, but since Ginastera was Argentinian, I don't see any basis of comparison, anyway. Is there a Wikipedia article that begins "such and such is the most famous ''European'' composer"? The most famous Brazilian composer ''period'', unqualified, was Jobim, but notice that the Wikipedia Jobim article doesn't begin by saying that--with or without genre qualification. No, not only does this article (the Villa-Lobos article) not ''need'' to say Villa-Lobos is the most famous ''anything''; it absolutely ''should'' not. [[User:TheScotch|TheScotch]] ([[User talk:TheScotch|talk]]) 05:52, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

== About Wright 1992 ==

"Villa-Lobos has become the best-known and most significant Latin American composer of all time." presented at the synopsis of the book on google books http://books.google.com.br/books?id=cFlaAAAAMAAJ&dq=Villa-Lobos+Oxford+Simon+Wright&lr=&ei=xoNFSbv0PJzAMrveod4N <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/201.26.42.26|201.26.42.26]] ([[User talk:201.26.42.26|talk]]) 22:16, 14 December 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Choir Works ==

Could someone please add his choir compositions such as Bendita Sabedoria? It seems they are not yet in the list. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.201.70.116|24.201.70.116]] ([[User talk:24.201.70.116|talk]]) 06:34, 22 March 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Work list ==
I notice that the work list within this article has grown and grown, and yet there is still a note at the head of the section directing the reader to the complete [[List of compositions by Heitor Villa-Lobos]]. I believe it is usual in cases like this to retain only a short list of the most important or characteristic compositions, or even to list only the most important compositions not already discussed in the article text. What do other editors think?—[[User:Jerome Kohl|Jerome Kohl]] ([[User talk:Jerome Kohl|talk]]) 18:40, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

:I agree. The [[List of compositions by Heitor Villa-Lobos]] info should not be duplicated. --''[[User:Kleinzach|<span style="color:#FF4500;letter-spacing:2px;">Klein</span>]][[User talk:Kleinzach|<span style="padding:0px 0px 1px 2px;color:white; background-color:#ACE1AF;letter-spacing:2px;">zach</span>]]'' 02:47, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
::{{done}} I've now removed the duplicated sections, moving some details to the list. --''[[User:Kleinzach|<span style="color:#FF4500;letter-spacing:2px;">Klein</span>]][[User talk:Kleinzach|<span style="padding:0px 0px 1px 2px;color:white; background-color:#ACE1AF;letter-spacing:2px;">zach</span>]]'' 03:04, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

== Infobox ==
Is there a possibility to add an infobox for this article?--[[User:Mishae|Mishae]] ([[User talk:Mishae|talk]]) 05:48, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
:There is always such a possibility, but I personally '''oppose''' such a thing, in agreement with the objections raised on [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Composers#Biographical_infoboxes]].—[[User:Jerome Kohl|Jerome Kohl]] ([[User talk:Jerome Kohl|talk]]) 07:05, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
::How many people object?--[[User:Mishae|Mishae]] ([[User talk:Mishae|talk]]) 15:08, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
:I suggest you read [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a democracy#DEMOCRACY|this guideline]], and [[Wikipedia:Polling is not a substitute for discussion|this one]], and also [[Wikipedia:Consensus|this one]], and then re-phrase your question.—[[User:Jerome Kohl|Jerome Kohl]] ([[User talk:Jerome Kohl|talk]]) 23:19, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

== Tagged 5 links as dead ==

{{u|Jerome Kohl}}, Tagged 5 links as dead. Cheers! <code>&#123;&#123;u&#124;[[User:Checkingfax|Checkingfax]]&#125;&#125;&nbsp;{[[User talk:Checkingfax|Talk]]}</code> 09:37, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
:All fixed, now. Thanks for calling my attention to these.—[[User:Jerome Kohl|Jerome Kohl]] ([[User talk:Jerome Kohl|talk]]) 18:38, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

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== Nepomuceno ==

Villa-Lobos mostly self-taught but taught some by Alberto Nepomuceno? [[User:Schissel|Schissel]] | [[User_talk:Schissel|Sound the Note!]] 17:37, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
:Please expand. I do not find [[Alberto Nepomuceno|Nepomuceno]] mentioned anywhere in this article, though his own bio article mentions Villa-Lobos as among his pupils. Is that the point?—[[User:Jerome Kohl|Jerome Kohl]] ([[User talk:Jerome Kohl|talk]]) 22:27, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
Yes, sorry- I think I was in a hurry at the time but should have just waited. [[User:Schissel|Schissel]] | [[User_talk:Schissel|Sound the Note!]] 02:18, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
:Well, then, all we need is a reliable source. Caution is indicated, however, given the long history of "reliable sources" on this composer that have proved less than reliable upon closer examination.—[[User:Jerome Kohl|Jerome Kohl]] ([[User talk:Jerome Kohl|talk]]) 02:49, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

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